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I'm surprised (not sure why! I guess because its in Africa and a developing country) to find that Egypt has one of the lowest incidences of HIV/AIDS in the world!

"Egypt on the north eastern coast of Africa is best known for its pyramids and its ancient civilization. It also has one of the lowest incidences of HIV/AIDS - less than 0.1% of the adult population."
http://www.soschildrensvillages.org.uk/aids-africa/projects-by-country/egypt.htm

The following report has global figures.
http://data.unaids.org/pub/EpiReport/2006/20061121_EPI_FS_GlobalFacts_en.pdf

While there might be some problems gathering statistics in this region, I can't imagine that they're more difficult to collect than in many other regions on the world.

But its not all good news in terms of behaviours:

http://www.unaids.org/en/Regions_Countries/Countries/egypt.asp

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western and central europe is only 0.3%,

north african and middle eastern region at 0.2%

How come Mr Amr? [Big Grin]

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I thought most Egyptians didn't take HIV/Aids tests, so how do they know who really has it?
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quote:
Originally posted by pseudovellum:
western and central europe is only 0.3%,

north african and middle eastern region at 0.2%

How come Mr Amr? [Big Grin]

The low prevalence in Europe is definitely attributed to awareness and education. Islam is saving the Muslims. It is no secret that the majority of the ummah are illiterate. Awareness and education is so crucial that at one point Thailand was assumed to have the same fate as Sub-Saharan Africa, however the government there went on a relentless campaign and they have been very successful.

Have you guys read the latest life expectancy chart? Some African countries have an average life expectancy of 32 years. That is shocking to say the least. Andoraa was ranked #1 at 85 years of age, the USA was ranked at a disappointing 44, and Jordan was the Arab country that fared the best ranking at 40. Egypt has a life expectancy of 72 years. The countries with low expectancy are devastated by Aids.

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you mean 44 years life expectancy for the US?

[Eek!]
or with HIV?
this is shocking

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quote:
Originally posted by pseudovellum:
you mean 44 years life expectancy for the US?

[Eek!]
or with HIV?
this is shocking

No, the U.S. ranked 44th in all the countries surveyed; so 43 countries had longer average life-spans than the U.S. Which is surprising (and a shame?) since we are supposed to be such a wealthy, developed, educated nation. Obviously we are doing something very wrong.
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WOW really??

who are the top 10?
anyone know?

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Andorra, a tiny country in the Pyrenees mountains between France and Spain, had the longest life expectancy, at 83.5 years, according to the Census Bureau. It was followed by Japan, Macau, San Marino and Singapore.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/health/1500AP_Life_Expectancy.html

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quote:
Originally posted by Trollin':
Andorra, a tiny country in the Pyrenees mountains between France and Spain, had the longest life expectancy, at 83.5 years, according to the Census Bureau. It was followed by Japan, Macau, San Marino and Singapore.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/health/1500AP_Life_Expectancy.html

What's also alarming is that the US infant mortality rate is also higher than many countries, including Cuba.

Source: Trollin's article

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Gone are the days of the middle class, in my opinion. You are well-off, or you are near-poor or poor. There seems to be little in-between, and *health insurance* (and therefore health care) is a huge determining factor of this, in my opinion.

Sadly.

I'll never forget a friend of mine from Ghana, thrilled out of his mind to make it to the U.S. to live, only to be shocked and saddened and frightened at the fact he saw homeless people on the street outside the airport in NY. He couldn't believe there were homeless people in the super-wealthy U.S.

It's really shameful.

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I was talking to a Kuwaiti man in Cairo who had seen me give 1LE to an ancient woman on the street who looked totally desparate.
He asked me if we have beggars and homeless people in England and was totally amazed when I said yes.

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quote:
Originally posted by oldbag:
I was talking to a Kuwaiti man in Cairo who had seen me give 1LE to an ancient woman on the street who looked totally desparate.
He asked me if we have beggars and homeless people in England and was totally amazed when I said yes.

Isn't it sad? Just breaks my heart.
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In all honesty if you are a bum in America then you probably worked hard to achieve that status. A plumber makes $25 an hour a master plumber makes 6 figures a year easily just signing of on paperwork.

Arabs who work in grocery stores easily earn $500 a week under the table(no taxes).

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I don't trust the outcome of that census. It is a privately sexual culture...no one admits to doing it! So, if they did have sex where could they openly, and comfortably, go get tested to find out? They couldn't. And even if they did know they had it - who could they openly tell? No one. It is too much of a stigma. Believe me, that number is higher - it is just not accounted for.

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quote:
Originally posted by ameriegypt:
I don't trust the outcome of that census. It is a privately sexual culture...no one admits to doing it! So, if they did have sex where could they openly, and comfortably, go get tested to find out? They couldn't. And even if they did know they had it - who could they openly tell? No one. It is too much of a stigma. Believe me, that number is higher - it is just not accounted for.

This member just made a whole lot of sense. I visited Ethiopia and the majority of the people did not look well. Slim is fine and so is skinny and it was just different with many of them.

I also learned that many young people were parent-less, they would say that their parent's got 'sick' and died, aids was never discussed, but at every hotel there were pamphlets (+cardboards) telling of the situation, the bedrooms also included condoms.

I believe such was mandated by the UN, I also want to emphasize that most of the people i met were orphans (parents passed away).

Who knows perhaps they learned from their parents mistakes.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sobriquet:
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Originally posted by ameriegypt:
I don't trust the outcome of that census. It is a privately sexual culture...no one admits to doing it! So, if they did have sex where could they openly, and comfortably, go get tested to find out? They couldn't. And even if they did know they had it - who could they openly tell? No one. It is too much of a stigma. Believe me, that number is higher - it is just not accounted for.

This member just made a whole lot of sense. I visited Ethiopia and the majority of the people did not look well. Slim is fine and so is skinny and it was just different with many of them.

I also learned that many young people were parent-less, they would say that their parent's got 'sick' and died, aids was never discussed, but at every hotel there were pamphlets (+cardboards) telling of the situation, the bedrooms also included condoms.

I believe such was mandated by the UN, I also want to emphasize that most of the people i met were orphans (parents passed away).

Who knows perhaps they learned from their parents mistakes.

Sobriquet, in a country where most people starve do you think they have financially the capability to purchase condoms?

And your hotel bedroom was stucked up with free condoms - it doesn't mean that million of regular folks have access to it like you do.

I am sure you also went outside of Addis Ababa to rural areas to see how people vegetating.... I wouldn't even call it living.

Seriously, even with strong awareness campaigns Aids is and will always be the no. 1 death reason on the African continent - and unfortunately medication in form of a vaccination in nowhere near in sight.... [Frown]

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Call:

0800 700 8000

for the HIV awareness and counseling hotline


http://www.dailystaregypt.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=8867

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People tend not to seek advice or testing in Egypt as the majority of health professionals are not empathetic.
AIDs is not fully understood.
People are being locked away here if they test positive.
Many are locked in Psychiatric hospitals.
They are seen as a danger to society and unclean!

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It's a long and rocky way to educate people on HIV in Egypt. I haven't had a clue that the hotline is out there. I am just trying to spread information and god only knows some people will pick up the phone.
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