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But it's not gonna take long and they all will end up in prison anyway if not careful!!
Egyptian Gay Organization Demands Equal Rights
A new Egyptian gay organization called "The Lovers" garnered 600 members in the first two weeks of its existence.
Organization members are calling on the government to recognize their rights, to appoint a minister in charge of their affairs, and to permit them to establish a party.
The organization's head said that homosexual relations are illegal in Egypt even though the gay community numbers over 100,000.
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Threatened to resort to the United Nations to demand the "rights" .. الشواذ يؤسسون رابطة أطلقوا عليها "الأحباء" ويتخذون من مقهى بوسط البلد مقرًا مؤقتًا لهم Gays builds Association, called "the" Beloved "and considered the center of the country's Cafe temporary headquarters for them
كتب حسين البربري (المصريون): : بتاريخ 5 - 5 - 2008 Hussein wrote Barbari (the Egyptians):: on 5 - 5 - 2008
شكل عدد من الشواذ جنسيا رابطة أطلقوا عليها "الأحباء" انضم إليها ما يقارب الـ 600 شاذ في أقل من أسبوعين، ويتخذ أعضاؤها من مقهى بوسط القاهرة مقرا مؤقتا لهم، حيث يسعون من وراء ذلك إلى الضغط على الدولة للاعتراف بـ "حقهم" في ممارسة اللواط، وتشكيل حزب لهم. A number of homosexuals, called "the Association" Beloved "joined by some of the 600 oddity in less than two weeks, and takes its members from central Cairo cafe them temporary headquarters, where it behind trying to pressure the state to recognize the" right "in the practice of homosexuality And the formation of the party for them. وقدر رئيس الرابطة، ويدعى سامح وهو في منتصف العشرينات ويعمل محاسبا في شركة استثمارية، عدد الشواذ في مصر بنحو مائة ألف شخص من مختلف الأعمار والفئات المهنية، قال إنهم لا يحظون بالاعتراف بـ "حقوقهم" من الدولة التي تجرم المثلية الجنسية. The maximum President of the Association, which named Sameh in the mid-twenties and worked as accountant at an investment company, the number of homosexuals in Egypt about one hundred thousand people of various ages and professional groups, said they do not enjoy the recognition of "their" state of criminalizing homosexuality. وأكد أنهم بدءوا سلسلة عمل للمطالبة بحقوقهم، ومنها إرسال برقيات إلى الجهات التي يخصها الأمر، مثل رئاسة الجمهورية ووزارة الداخلية، وهدد باللجوء إلى الأمم المتحدة والدول الغربية التي تسمح لمواطنيها بحرية الشذوذ وذلك من أجل الضغط على الحكومة المصرية حتى يتم تعيين وزيرا مختصا بشئون الشواذ في مصر. He confirmed that they have begun a series of action to demand their rights, including sending telegrams to those who own it, such as the Presidency and the Ministry of Interior, and threatened to resort to the United Nations and Western countries that allow its citizens freedom of homosexuality in order to pressure the Egyptian government to be appointed as minister in charge of homosexuals Egypt. وأشار رئيس الرابطة إلى أن هناك وسائل اتصال عدة تجمعهم ببعض أهمها بعض المنتديات على شبكة الانترنت، موضحا أن الشواذ في مصر يعرفون بعضهم البعض، ويتجمعون في المقاهي وبعض مراكز الشباب والنوادي إضافة إلى الجامعات. The chairman pointed out that there Association and several means of communication that brought them together some of the most important of some forums on the Internet, explaining that homosexuals in Egypt knew one another and gather in cafes and some youth centres and clubs in addition to universities. وأكد أن القاهرة توجد بها أكبر نسبة من الشواذ ويقترب عددهم السبعة آلاف شاذ، منهم من هو معروف في أوساط دائرة المعارف والأهل بينهم، وبعضهم يحتاط بالكتمان، ومنهم صنايعية يتخذون من دورات المياه مقرا لهم. He stressed that Cairo where the largest proportion of homosexuals and approaching the seven thousand oddity, of whom is known among the circle of knowledge, including parents, some of whom guard quiet, and the powder were taken from the toilets are located. كما أن هناك مفكرين وسياسيين وفنانين وشخصيات مرموقة دائمي الاتصال به وببعض رفاقه من الشواذ، حيث يلتقون شهريا في إحدى المدن الساحلية ويقضون "أوقاتا سعيدة"، على حد تعبيره. There are also intellectuals and politicians, artists and dignitaries permanent contact him and some of his comrades from homosexuals, which meet monthly in one coastal cities and spend "happy times", as he put it. وأضاف رئيس الرابطة، أن الجيزة توجد بها ثاني أعلى نسبة من الشواذ، يليها الإسكندرية ثم البحيرة وبعض مراكز الدقهلية والشرقية وسوهاج والمنيا وبني سويف وأسوان وقنا. The President of the Association, Giza where the second highest proportion of homosexuals, followed by Alexandria and the lake and some centres Dakahlia East, Sohag, Minya, Beni Suef, Qena and Aswan. وعن فكرة الدعوة للرابطة، قال إنها تمت عن طريق موقع "فيس بوك" وبعض الأصدقاء ومن خلال لقاءات مع بعض مواقع الشواذ، وأنه بعد وضع البريد الإلكتروني الخاص به للاستفسار أو للعضوية، كانت المقابلات تتم إما على مقهى هنا أو مقهى آخر بالمهندسين، ويتم اختيار صديق في كل محافظة لمقابلة الأعضاء. And advocate the idea of the Association, said it was through the "Vis Bock" Some friends and through interviews with some sites homosexuals, and that after developing its own e-mail to inquire or for membership, the interviews take place either on a cafe or a cafe here last engineers, are selected Friend in each province to meet members. وقلل من أهمية الحملات الأمنية التي تستهدف تجمعاتهم، مشيرا إلى أن مباحث الآداب فقط هي التي تستطيع القبض عليهم في حالة التلبس، أما ما يحدث فهي جلسات طبيعية، "ثم أن الذي يحدث في حالة إلقاء القبض على زملاءنا فهو عبارة عن محضر ويتم الإفراج من النيابة لأن أركان الفاحشة غير موجودة". Making light of the importance of security campaigns targeting gatherings, pointing out that the morals police can only arrest them in flagrante delicto, but what is happening is normal meetings, "which occurs eight in the event of the arrest of our colleagues is a record and be released from prosecution Elements of adultery because the non-existent. " وتهرب زعيم الشواذ من الإجابة عن سؤال لـ "المصريون" حول مخالفة ذلك للدين الإسلامي والشرائع السماوية الأخرى، واكتفى بابتسامة صغيرة، قبل أن ينسحب من النقاش، متعللا بأنه مرتبط بموعد وذهب مع ثلاثة من رفاقه. The leader of homosexuals evaded answering a question of "Egyptians" on the contrary to the religion of Islam and other heavenly religions, and only a small smile, before withdrawing from the debate, citing that it is linked to the date and went with three of his colleagues.
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When I first got married to my hubby, and I went online to search out all things Egyptian, very first yahoo group that popped up was an egyptian gay group. Told hubby what I found when he came home. Boy oh boy...he went into a tirade that I must have misunderstood, that there are no homosexuals in egypt,,,etc etc. lol The poor baby is just so darn naive in some things.
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Jean, my husband also was swearing there were no gay Egyptian men ( ). Went online and showed him myself - he just kept shaking his head saying, 'that's a shame'. Posts: 13440 | Registered: Feb 2006
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quote:Originally posted by Tigerlily: The organization's head said that homosexual relations are illegal in Egypt even though the gay community numbers over 100,000.
100,000?!? Yeah right..
The gay population is going to be much higher than that..
Statistics show that the gay/bisexual population of any given nation is typically around 3 to 4%.
So if Egypt's total population is 80,000,000, then their "bent" population is anywhere from 2.4 to 3.2 million gays, bisexuals and lesbians plus or minus a few hundred thousand.
quote:Originally posted by Vader: Gay Sex while Snorkeling.
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That is so sick I read today in al-ahram news paper that there is an organisation in nasr city who is encouraging women to have premarital sex and that it's their own right to have sex before marriage!
Where are we heading! Is it part of the American incursion into the middle east they either occupy our land by their troops or by those kinds of organisations!
What do you think is the main reason for something like this to take place in a Muslim country! and who is behind those organizations!
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quote:Originally posted by YoungEgyptianGuy: I read today in al-ahram news paper that there is an organisation in nasr city who is encouraging women to have premarital sex and that it's their own right to have sex before marriage!
YEG, it's probably pretty hard to wrap your head around the idea of a woman having rights to begin with, but - in my western mind - a woman's body is her own and her value as a wife doesn't depend solely on her virginity at the time of her marriage.
quote:Originally posted by YoungEgyptianGuy: Where are we heading! Is it part of the American incursion into the middle east they either occupy our land by their troops or by those kinds of organisations!
How did I know BLAME AMERICA was coming - as if America has come to terms with gay rights.
To answer your question....
Any business' success depends on whether it can sell its product/service, right? These organizations could not exist without patrons.
quote:Originally posted by YoungEgyptianGuy: What do you think is the main reason for something like this to take place in a Muslim country! and who is behind those organizations!
Satellite television and the internet.
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quote:Originally posted by YoungEgyptianGuy: I read today in al-ahram news paper that there is an organisation in nasr city who is encouraging women to have premarital sex and that it's their own right to have sex before marriage!
YEG, it's probably pretty hard to wrap your head around the idea of a woman having rights to begin with, but - in my western mind - a woman's body is her own and her value as a wife doesn't depend solely on her virginity at the time of her marriage.
quote:Originally posted by YoungEgyptianGuy: Where are we heading! Is it part of the American incursion into the middle east they either occupy our land by their troops or by those kinds of organisations!
How did I know BLAME AMERICA was coming - as if America has come to terms with gay rights.
To answer your question....
Any business' success depends on whether it can sell its product/service, right? These organizations could not exist without patrons.
quote:Originally posted by YoungEgyptianGuy: What do you think is the main reason for something like this to take place in a Muslim country! and who is behind those organizations!
Demanding equal rights in Egypt would be like saying they want to be arbitrarily detained and tortured.
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to appoint a minister in charge of their affairs,
I don't get this one. If they have the right to sexual orientation, then they're no different than anyone else. This is like asking to be recognized as a special group. And what are those affairs they need a minster for?
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I don't get this one. If they have the right to sexual orientation, then they're no different than anyone else. This is like asking to be recognized as a special group.
This debate claims humans are not solely dimorphic and, because of this, there is a third sex.
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I don't get this one. If they have the right to sexual orientation, then they're no different than anyone else. This is like asking to be recognized as a special group.
This debate claims humans are not solely dimorphic and, because of this, there is a third sex.
Good one Is this part of the theory of Evolution? Cause if it is, natural selection would eliminate their ass in a very short time.
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quote:Originally posted by encrypted: Good one Is this part of the theory of Evolution? Cause if it is, natural selection would eliminate their ass in a very short time.
It's neither evolution (modification through descent) or natural selection (organisms best suited to their environment survive).
During the normal course of human development, everybody (at conception) is female and, later, male characteristics develop. These folks are saying that there is a third category of genders, that which is neither female or male, and those that fall into that third category are gay/homosexual.
Not saying right or wrong, just saying what they're saying.
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quote:Originally posted by encrypted: Good one Is this part of the theory of Evolution? Cause if it is, natural selection would eliminate their ass in a very short time.
It's neither evolution (modification through descent) or natural selection (organisms best suited to their environment survive).
Joking and dimorphism aside ( don't know anything about dimorphism) , I wasn't saying it's one or the other. I was saying that if it was a product of the theory of evolution then it would have been subjected to the process of natural selection and therefore eliminated. One is an part of the other.
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quote:Originally posted by With a name like Smuckers: Jean, my husband also was swearing there were no gay Egyptian men ( ). Went online and showed him myself - he just kept shaking his head saying, 'that's a shame'.
Egyptians don't use the word 'shame', its more often 'may Allah forgive them'.
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quote:Originally posted by With a name like Smuckers: Jean, my husband also was swearing there were no gay Egyptian men ( ). Went online and showed him myself - he just kept shaking his head saying, 'that's a shame'.
Egyptians don't use the word 'shame', its more often 'may Allah forgive them'.
No sonomod, Egyptians DO use the word shame. How would you know anyway if you don't speak Arabic?
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Not all topics involving sin are expressed in Quranic verses. And again how would you know unless you were fluent in the language? I mean you need to know the language very well to be able to know what is used and what is not used. We have an expression like "7aga teksef," which is very close to "what a shame." There are others also
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Hheheheh my hubby thought the same, i pointed a few out to him around the street. He is in shock, cant understand that its by genes and not by choice, well i dont think it is hehehehehehe There is so many here really as well as anywhere in the world. It is time they stopped living in the dark ages and faced facts that gays are a part of life and nothing can be done to change a persons sexuality.
quote:Originally posted by * 7ayat *: Not all topics involving sin are expressed in Quranic verses. And again how would you know unless you were fluent in the language? I mean you need to know the language very well to be able to know what is used and what is not used. We have an expression like "7aga teksef," which is very close to "what a shame." There are others also
Do you think her imaginary husband speaks to her in al-Arabi?
I know for a fact that when a husband who is fluent in both languages but did not grow up in the west he will not use common expressions off hand until after his 5th year in the west.
I am sure you believe that you had used the English language in Egypt as naturally as any Brit, Aussie, Canadian or American. but each of the four groups use different common expressions and slang.
Smuckers after over a year (according to her) in Egypt didn't even know the Arabi word for "kiss".
Do you think this love interest of hers uses common expressions of Americans? She don't speak enough Arabi to know if he is using American expressions in Arabi.
Its not about my knowledge of Arabi its about her knowledge, because I highly doubt her accounts.
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quote:Originally posted by Reality_Meanie: Because Egyptians don't use American expressions literally translated into al-Arabi.
Common expression covering topics revolving around sin are often expressed in Quranic verses.
'That's a shame is very much an American expression. The whole world, not even Egypt uses language, even tranlated as Americans do.
The top insular belief amoung American is everyone uses our expressions like in the movies.
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quote:Originally posted by Reality_Meanie: Because Egyptians don't use American expressions literally translated into al-Arabi.
Common expression covering topics revolving around sin are often expressed in Quranic verses.
'That's a shame is very much an American expression. The whole world, not even Egypt uses language, even tranlated as Americans do.
The top insular belief amoung American is everyone uses our expressions like in the movies.
so here we have a supposedly educated American who does not speak Arabic argueing with an Egyptian who is fluent in English about the Egyptian language when the supposedly educated American has no grasp of even her own language and after repeated times of being corrected still cant spell AMONG or fit together a real string of English
quote:Originally posted by * 7ayat *: She's been in Egypt for two years, and since I know her very well, I'm pretty sure she's not making stories up.
Why on earth would anyone pretend that they live in Shebin of all places?
Have you met her in person? Do you have pics of your meet with her? You really can't know a person from the internet anyhow.
WHen she first logged on under Nooralhaq she posted a thread asking for information on this guy she is supposively married to, then she got this dude to post on ES for a while claiming he was this dude. His posts were conflicting about the relationship which at the time was purely online. Posts: 1455 | From: debtville | Registered: Dec 2007
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I was listening to this news on NPR. Until they grant rights to same sex couples across the USA it is just going to be one continual legal battle after the other.
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quote:Originally posted by * 7ayat *: She's been in Egypt for two years, and since I know her very well, I'm pretty sure she's not making stories up.
Why on earth would anyone pretend that they live in Shebin of all places?
Have you met her in person? Do you have pics of your meet with her? You really can't know a person from the internet anyhow.
WHen she first logged on under Nooralhaq she posted a thread asking for information on this guy she is supposively married to, then she got this dude to post on ES for a while claiming he was this dude. His posts were conflicting about the relationship which at the time was purely online.
Amazing that you still in denial about Smucker's location. But I understand your position as it must hurt as hell that she's actually where your own daughter is.
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This topic was about an equal rights association regarding homosexuals and not about the Egyptian language, the place of living from one particular member and who her husband would be, thank you. Considering about what I have expierenced in Egypt, the common opinion about homosexuality is that it does rarely exist. There are gays, but this is so exceptional that it is a kind of subject to place in a zoo or in a pathologically anatomical museum, where it can be exposed together with all that rare deviations that mother nature commits to produce. So, giving equal rights to rare deviations is bit to much to ask, IMO. Strangely I never heard about lesbians in Egypt.
Egypt....nothing is allowed but everything is possible. As long as we don't see it, it doesn't exist...
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????? the majority of topics here and on any forum will move away from the original subject according to the posters.
The difference here (in Egypt) in what is seen as 'gay' is that, to put it in the least crude way I can, a bender is gay, a stabber is not. The 'gay Egyptian couple' is rare but the stabbers are many, if you get my drift, and they do not consider themselves gay as they may also have wives and girlfriends. We would call them 'bisexual' but they would disagree even with that.
There are also girls who go with girls too, but in the same sense would never consider themselves lesbians. All things like this happen in a restricted society but it is all kept secret.
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quote:Originally posted by Reality_Meanie: Because Egyptians don't use American expressions literally translated into al-Arabi.
Common expression covering topics revolving around sin are often expressed in Quranic verses.
'That's a shame is very much an American expression. The whole world, not even Egypt uses language, even tranlated as Americans do.
The top insular belief amoung American is everyone uses our expressions like in the movies.
so here we have a supposedly educated American who does not speak Arabic argueing with an Egyptian who is fluent in English about the Egyptian language when the supposedly educated American has no grasp of even her own language and after repeated times of being corrected still cant spell AMONG or fit together a real string of English
Arguing ?
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yes vader I spelt it wrong, but once pointed out I will learn from it, please point it out if I spell it wrong again. Sono does not learn as 'beyound' and 'amoung' are always spelt wrong no matter how many times it is pointed out.
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quote:Originally posted by * 7ayat *: She's been in Egypt for two years, and since I know her very well, I'm pretty sure she's not making stories up.
Why on earth would anyone pretend that they live in Shebin of all places?
Have you met her in person? Do you have pics of your meet with her? You really can't know a person from the internet anyhow.
WHen she first logged on under Nooralhaq she posted a thread asking for information on this guy she is supposively married to, then she got this dude to post on ES for a while claiming he was this dude. His posts were conflicting about the relationship which at the time was purely online.
Amazing that you still in denial about Smucker's location. But I understand your position as it must hurt as hell that she's actually where your own daughter is.
No one has shown proof that Nooralhaq is actually in Shebin. She is more than likely in Detriot with a Jordanian husband she met at her Dallas Mosque.
Its established that people lie for each other all the time.
In your case you have yet to bring forth proof that you did live in Cairo or any part of Egypt. I have yet to see any tangible proof whatsoever.
I'd also like to see some proof of your husband's degree you claim he obtained a decade ago when the university in the state he had never lived in or was stationed in just started offering the degree in 2003. The graduates of that degree program have their names online, I don't see any latino names on the list nor any mention of a major graduating with that particular degree several years before the degree major was first offered.
Westerners and Arabs and Africans alike have their online fantasy personalities in full motion on ES. Its a reality of the virtual realm.
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quote:Originally posted by * 7ayat *: She's been in Egypt for two years, and since I know her very well, I'm pretty sure she's not making stories up.
Why on earth would anyone pretend that they live in Shebin of all places?
Have you met her in person? Do you have pics of your meet with her? You really can't know a person from the internet anyhow.
WHen she first logged on under Nooralhaq she posted a thread asking for information on this guy she is supposively married to, then she got this dude to post on ES for a while claiming he was this dude. His posts were conflicting about the relationship which at the time was purely online.
Amazing that you still in denial about Smucker's location. But I understand your position as it must hurt as hell that she's actually where your own daughter is.
No one has shown proof that Nooralhaq is actually in Shebin. She is more than likely in Detriot with a Jordanian husband she met at her Dallas Mosque.
Its established that people lie for each other all the time.
In your case you have yet to bring forth proof that you did live in Cairo or any part of Egypt. I have yet to see any tangible proof whatsoever.
I'd also like to see some proof of your husband's degree you claim he obtained a decade ago when the university in the state he had never lived in or was stationed in just started offering the degree in 2003. The graduates of that degree program have their names online, I don't see any latino names on the list nor any mention of a major graduating with that particular degree several years before the degree major was first offered.
Westerners and Arabs and Africans alike have their online fantasy personalities in full motion on ES. Its a reality of the virtual realm.
would you like everyones finger prints too?
We have seen no proof you have had an Egyptian husband or a child. The photo of you with a supposedly Egyptian family has 2 children in it, you are holding neither.
You have yet to show proof you have any dealings with Egypt apart from 1 holiday there. You have been saying you are relocating now for about 3 years or more.
You have yet to show proof you ever passed your college course, or even high school. Please show proof of your qualifications, degree or any sign you have any education apart from reading old books on the Middle East.
As for fantasy life, we bow to you
smucks has probably never met your claimed daughter but she is closer to her than you are, thats what YOU did, no one here had any part in that, deal with it.
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After forcing myself to read through these pages (god help me), I want to say sono seems quite convincing.
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It sounds convincing because there she uses details, but the details don't have to be true! It sounds as if she knows exactly with whom she is dealing, but this hasn't got to be the case. She once placed a similar post about me, and she wasn't even near, but names and places were meant as if they were true. To me personally, I never had any doubt about Smuckers, her story is not shocking. She just is a young mother, who happens to live in Egypt, and her relationship seems to be good. Nothing special. Sono might be convinced in what she says, but she sounds a bit paranoia in her everlasting search to real identities behind the nicks. I probably would be the same if anonymous stalkers were chasing me. Autobahn, you may believe it sounds convincing, so wait untill Sono is placing your detailed background here, and tell us she is right or wrong in it.
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