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Tony Blair is not alone in this massacre. The entire British Government is complicit. It is British Gas that is in it for the gas reserves off Gaza. They are the puppets of the USA.
Blair was Bush's poodle.
They are both sailing in the boat to hell along with the arab nations who are allowing this massacre of innocent civilians.
They will not get rid of Hamas. In fact there are Indonesians right now signing up to be suicide bombers. Indonesians ready to fly to the ME to die.
The USA and its allies have opened Pandora's box even wider.
The only solution is to hand over one of its states to the Israelis. Keep them on the 'home turf'.
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Shelling and bombing continues in Gaza. White Phosphorus bombs are being dropped on Gaza at this very moment. In case you don't know the effects of this chemical, look it up. It's beyond HORRIFIC! Burns you to the bone if it touches you, and when inhaled, can literally suffocate you to death.
Mosques will surely be targeted today as the ANIMALS continue their carnage of Gaza!
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Let's see how many mosques and UN shelters they can add to their count today.................. Posts: 3416 | Registered: Oct 2007
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There are no more UN shelters! The ANIMALS are even killing the UN helpers in Gaza. TARGETING UN ENVOYS! They have withdrawn and closed all facilities! The little bit of aid they were getting into Gaza is now stopped.
They have also sealed off all of the West Bank. Is that going to be next on their list?
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As your economy slides even further into depression look at where your American tax dollars went this week.
US military re-supplying Israel with ammunition through Greece
Thursday January 08, 2009 22:04 by Saed Bannoura - IMEMC News
As the Israeli occupation terrorist forces continue to pound the crowded, impoverished and imprisoned population of the Gaza Strip with the full force of its military might, Israel's strongest ally, the United States, announced plans to ship large amounts of ammunition to the Israeli forces – as it did during Israel's 2006 invasion of Lebanon, when the Israelis ran out of (internationally-banned) cluster bombs, and the US shipped them tens of thousands more.
The description of the vessels required was brief:
“Required: Request US or foreign flag container vessel (coaster) to move approximately 168 TEU's [standard twenty-foot containers] in each of two consecutive voyages both containing ammunition.”
Bids were requested by January 5th, but it is unclear whether bids were submitted or a contract awarded as of January 8th.
According to the US Military's solicitation, "Funds are not currently available for this procurement. In the event funds remain unavailable, this procurement will be cancelled without an award being made."
During the Israeli assault on Lebanon in the summer of 2006, in which 1200 Lebanese people were killed, 90% of whom were civilians (and 168 Israelis were killed, 10% of whom were civilians), the US Congress approved funding for an 'emergency' shipment of cluster bombs to Israel after Israel had dropped their entire store of the banned weapon on civilian population centers in southern Lebanon. Over one million cluster bomblets were dropped in southern Lebanon, largely due to the US 'emergency' shipment. Many of those bomblets remain on the ground in Lebanon, unexploded two years later. They continue to kill and maim Lebanese civilians, mainly children and farmers, who come across the unexploded bomblets and step on them or pick them up.
According to Wired magazine's security correspondent Nathan Hodge, the current solicitation for a shipment bid is the first such solicitation in several months. He said that, according to his research, the most recent announcement of a potential arms delivery to Israel was posted by the Defense Security Cooperation Agency on Sept. 29 -- for sale of F-35 Joint Strike Fighters. Earlier that month, the agency notified Congress of the pending upgrades to Israeli Patriot missile fire units as well as sales of the GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb.
Israel has long used US weapons in its attacks on the civilian population of the two Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories, the West Bank and Gaza.
$12 Billion Annual US Aid Officially Announced:
In addition to $3 billion in direct aid a year, the US government supplies around $3 billion in weapons transfers to Israel, and $6 billion in loan guarantees (none of which have ever been repaid by Israel). The US Military Sealift Command on Dec. 31st published a solicitation for bids from shipping companies to ship two boats, each containing 168 TEU's (twenty-foot equivalent container units) of ammunition, from Greece to Israel.Posts: 3416 | Registered: Oct 2007
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and this is why they now have to silence him by bombing his UN shelters and food programmes...........
As John Ging, the head of operations of the United Nations agency for Palestine refugees (UNRWA), told The Electronic Intifada in November: "there was five months of a ceasefire in the last couple of months, where the people of Gaza did not benefit; they did not have any restoration of a dignified existence. We in fact at the UN, our supplies were also restricted during the period of the ceasefire, to the point where we were left in a very vulnerable and precarious position and with a few days of closure we ran out of food."
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quote:Originally posted by Hermione Heliotrope.: The BEAST wont stop till it has it's so called Promised Land.
The Nile to the Euphrates within it's claws.
"As too many people are eager to remind us, Israel is doing bad things to the Palestinians. And, as too many fail to say, Palestinians are doing bad things to Israelis, and it is not always easy to sort out which is action and which reaction, which is aggression and which defense. There should be no difficulty, however, in sorting out the difference between the one party that has the declared purpose of destroying or expelling the other party, and the other party that wants only to live in security and peace. This, I think, we know for sure: there could be a real peace process and a real peace if the Arabs believably accepted a sovereign Jewish state in their midst. This, sadly, does not seem to be in the offing." -- Fr. Richard John Neuhaus
The principles of the Hamas are stated in their Covenant or Charter:
"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "
"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 Hamas's indifference to suffering Jeff Robbins
LAST MONTH'S commemoration of the 60th anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights provided the occasion to ask difficult questions about societies whose political leadership serially violates them. What, for instance, is to be done about places like Darfur or Zimbabwe, or any one of a multitude of places governed by leaders whose consciences appear untouched by the suffering they are causing? To the list of grotesque human rights violators must be added Hamas, whose disdain for the suffering its policies cause the Palestinian residents of the Gaza Strip is exceeded only by its open, and even proud, infliction of atrocities on Israeli civilians.
This year alone, Hamas, which expressly calls for the obliteration of Israel, has launched approximately 3,000 rockets and mortar bombs into Israeli civilian centers, always for the purpose of killing and maiming Israelis if possible, and terrifying those who are not actually hit. In the last week or so, Hamas has fired some 200 rockets and bombs into Israeli communities.
Under these circumstances - circumstances which would have continued without end had the Israelis failed to act - it seems clear that the Israeli military response was not merely a necessary one. It was, regrettably, the only one left.
Israeli author Amos Oz, whose call for peace with the Palestinians is shared by a majority of Israelis, succinctly described the brutalization of Israeli civilians in terms that cannot fairly be disputed. In a recent piece entitled "Israel Must Defend Its Citizens," the longtime advocate for reconciliation between Palestinians and Israelis wrote: "The systematic bombing of the citizens in Israel's towns and cities is a war crime and a crime against humanity."
Oz is correct. But it isn't only Israelis whose fundamental human rights Hamas is violating. It is those of the Palestinian population about whose welfare Hamas professes to care.
In direct contravention of international law, Hamas uses Palestinian civilians as human shields, utilizing homes, schools and community centers as launching pads, content in the knowledge that if innocent Palestinian civilians are caught in the cross-fire, it will be Israel that is criticized. This amounts to a sort of Daily Double of human rights violations: the use of innocent Palestinians as human shields for the infliction of violence upon innocent Israelis.
It is Hamas that perfected the use of the suicide bomb, by which young Palestinians were induced to kill themselves so that Israelis could also be killed. It is somehow apt that Hamas should be forever associated with the suicide bomb, for in a larger sense Hamas has proved to be an instrument of the demise of Palestinians in Gaza.
Hamas's persistent call for the annihilation of Israel through jihad, its unequivocal rejection of any peace with Israel under any circumstances, its seizure of Gaza through a coup d'etat, its repression of women and freedom of expression, and its embrace of Iran have all disgusted the international community, which will have little to do with it. Hamas has likewise repelled numerous Arab governments, which might otherwise have been expected to dip into their ample reserves of petrodollars to provide much-needed aid and foreign investment to Gaza, but which have steered clear of it.
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The Hamas death cult is a nihilistic organization. Because of that it is immune to punitive measures. Because it is immune to those measures, Israel must have a regime change strategy in dealing with it. Hamas does worry about decapitation and strikes on its leadership have produced results in the past. It, on the other hand, revels in strikes on the Palestinians in general and uses that as part of its victim strategy. Hamas is eager for victim photos of civilians, especially children. That is one reason why it engages in the war crime of establishing its operations around civilians.
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How a family from London brought the Israeli IDF to justice for the murder of their son.
It CAN be done!!
Let's hope the International Community with the help of John Ging of UNWRA do the same this time around.
'Defy the Stars' is the story of a young man who went to the Middle East as an observer and lost his life through a single selfless human act. In April 2003, twenty-one-year-old Tom Hurndall, an English photojournalism student, was shot in the head as he carried a Palestinian child out of the range of an Israeli army sniper in the town of Rafah in the Gaza Strip. Tom was unarmed, and wearing the internationally recognised peaceworker's fluorescent orange jacket. Severely wounded, he never recovered consciousness and died nine months later in a London hospital. A year after his death, following the family's own investigation and their determined and impartial fight to see justice done after a cover-up by the Israeli Defence Force, a soldier was sentenced to eight years for Tom's manslaughter. It was an unprecedented outcome, and a case that made legal history in bringing the IDF to account for its killing of an unarmed civilian. Tom's mother tells the story of this courageous young Englishman's quest, of its tragic end and its effect on his family. Defy the Stars is an elegy for a son, a story of loss but also of hope, for out of the tragedy have come projects in Gaza and friendships with both peace-loving Palestinians and Israelis. Her moving book gives a vivid picture of the realities of day-to-day life in Israel and in the bleak and beleaguered towns of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. It puts a human face to a situation that affects us all, and speaks for the plight of countless forgotten people in the Middle East who suffer such losses on a daily basis.
About the Author Jocelyn Hurndall was born in Winchester in 1951. In the early 1970s she worked as kibbutz volunteer on the Israeli/Lebanese border and travelled through the West Bank to Jerusalem, where her father had worked as a pioneer of wave energy in the early 1960s. She began a career as a teacher in 1974, eventually becoming Head of Learning Support in a multi-cultural school. She lives in London with her family.
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The frontrunner to become Israel’s next prime minister, Tzipi Livni, was a Paris agent for Mossad , Israel’s overseas intelligence agency, in the early 1980s when it ran a series of missions to kill Palestinian terrorists in European capitals, according to former colleagues.
They say Livni, now foreign minister, was on active service when Mamoun Meraish, a senior official in the Palestine Liberation Organisation, was shot dead by a Mossad hit squad in Athens on August 21, 1983. She was not directly involved in the killing, in which two young men on a motorcycle drew alongside Meraish’s car and opened fire, but her role in Mossad remains secret.
Shortly afterwards Livni resigned and returned to Israel to complete her law studies, citing the pressures of the job.
A quarter of a century later, Livni, 49, is poised to become prime minister amid accusations that Ehud Olmert, who has led Israel for the past 2½ years, accepted bribes from an American businessman.
An opinion poll on Friday showed that Livni had more than twice as much support inside the ruling Kadima party as Shaul Mofaz, a former defence minister who is her chief rival. Political commentators believe that Olmert will resign soon.
Livni joined Mossad after leaving the army with the rank of lieutenant and completing a year at law school. From her base in Paris she travelled throughout Europe in pursuit of Arab terrorists.
“Tzipi was not an office girl,” said an acquaintance. “She was a clever woman with an IQ of 150. She blended in well in European capitals, working with male agents, most of them ex-commandos, taking out Arab terrorists.”
Livni has never talked about her years with Mossad, but a glimpse of the nature of the work was given by her closest female partner on European assignments. “The risks were tangible,” said Mira Gal, who became head of her ministerial office. “If I made a mistake the result would be arrest and catastrophic political implications for Israel.”
Livni, a married mother of two, has enjoyed a meteoric rise in Israeli politics since she became an MP in 1999.
Her career was forged in the violent creation of Israel. Both her parents were arrested for terrorist crimes in the 1940s. Her mother Sarah, who died recently aged 85, was a leader of Irgun, the militant Zionist group that operated in Palestine at the time of the British mandate and whose exploits included train robbery.
“I was disguised as a pregnant woman and robbed a train carrying £35,000,” she said in an interview shortly before she died. “Then we blew up another train en route from Jerusalem to Tel Aviv.”
Livni’s father, Eitan, was sentenced to 15 years in jail for attacking a British military base . He escaped.
Livni, who unlike her parents supports a Palestinian state, would be no soft touch as prime minister. “While Tzipi is willing to give up the West Bank to the Palestinians, she is a hawk when it comes to Syria and Iran,” said a leading political commentator. “She is against withdrawal from the Golan [Heights], and once prime minister she will want to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities.”
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Ehud Olmert's wife, Aliza, is a writer of novels and theater plays, as well as an artist. Some people believe that Aliza is more left-leaning in her politics than her husband. She claimed to have voted for him for the first time in 2006.
The couple has four biological children and an adopted daughter.[44] The oldest daughter, Michal, holds a Masters in psychology and leads workshops in creative thinking. Their daughter Dana is a lecturer in literature at the Tel Aviv University and the editor of a literature series. She is a lesbian and lives with her partner in Tel Aviv . Her parents are accepting of her sexual orientation and partner. Dana is active in the Jerusalem branch of the Israeli human rights organization Machsom Watch. In June 2006 she attended a march in Tel Aviv protesting alleged Israeli complicity in the Gaza beach blast, which made her the subject of bitter criticism from right wing personalities.[45]
Their son Shaul Olmert married an Israeli artist and lives in New York. He is currently a Vice President at Nickelodeon.
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That's true. Years of not being able to speak out about the Zionists for fear of arrest or conviction gave them free reign to take over the entire US and western media. We have allowed it to happen right under our noses.
I think today we are waking up to the reality of their determination to take over every aspect of our lives. They have control of the internet, our shops and entertainment corporations. They control the senate. In fact they are very smart. I have to give them that. They will not stop until we wake up. They wont stop until we shake off the apathy and fight back.
I hope the UNWRA can bring a case against them. I wish that the public would wake up to what they are doing. I wish I had not spent time trying to defend them when my husband was telling me the truth we are all now witnessing.
It's only now being here in this region I realise what is going on.
We need to do more. We need to stop these vampires, these beasts, we need to get the message out because make no mistake. The world is much less safe since that stupid British mandate.
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THE JEWISH HOUSE OF ROTHSCHILD CONTROLS THE ECONOMY & POLITICS OF AMERICA!
~ Brother Nathanael Kapner, having grown up as a Jew with a grasp of the inner-workings and mind-set of World Jewry, expands upon last week’s The Jewish House of Rothschild Controls Our Lives:
~ ON JUNE 4 1963, President John F. Kennedy Signed Executive Order #11110, stripping the privately-owned Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately-owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business.
~ When President Kennedy signed this Order, it returned to the Treasury Department the Constitutional power to create and issue money without going through the privately- owned Federal Reserve Bank. United States Notes were then issued as an interest-free currency.
~ President Kennedy was assassinated on November 22 1963 and the United States Notes he had issued were immediately taken out of circulation. SEE: http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/JFK.html
# Br Nathanael: This is scary stuff. I am not so keen on “conspiracy theories” but this has a ring of truth to it — owing to the circumstances leading up to President Kennedy’s assassination and subsequent events as well. Why did President Lyndon Baines Johnson not continue President Kennedy’s Executive order? Was he afraid for his own life?
~ And just who owns the Federal Reserve Bank? I will tell you: 1. The Rothschilds of London and Berlin; 2. Lazard Brothers of Paris; 3. Israel Moses Seif of Italy; 4. Kuhn Loeb and Warburg of Germany; 5. Lehman Brothers, Goldman, Sachs; 6. The Rothschild-controlled Rockefeller interests of New York.
~ These are all Jewish names. Keep on peeling the onion and the Jewish House of Rothschild with their International Jewish Banking connections manifest their control over America’s society. This is scary stuff!
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One doesn't have to go to an "anti-jewish" website to understand how scary the Zionists are, just visit their website and start reading. Notice on the upper right-hand side the quote from the Wall Street Journal!
London Saturday 10 January Gather RE: International Day of Gaza Outrage (Sat Jan 10) UPDATE 12:30pm Hyde Park: March to Israeli Embassy High St Kensington.
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yet another contradiction and double standard on a fundamental level seem to be prevailant among some people, even the so called moderates. The zionist claim in Palestine is allegedly based on religious grounds, so by acknowledging this claim and the politics and war based on it, you are automatically acknowledging that it is ok to base politics and fighting on religion. So why then do you deny Hamas this right, or even the Moslem Brotherhood or Hizbullah for that matter, again irrespective of what you think of them, it's a matter of principle now.
If you accept the principle of basing politics on religion then if you are a person with integrity, you have to apply it across the board.
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Tzipi Livni the product of terrorist parents.
"Sara Livni was arrested by the British in 1947 and held in the Bethlehem lock-up," he said. "Later, she was transferred to Atlit, with all the Jewish detainees, and there, she feigned illness. They say she injected herself with milk, and developed a high fever. She was transferred to Rambam Medical Center in Haifa, which was run by the British, and there she demanded transfer to a Jewish hospital on [Mount] Carmel. She was taken to Carmel, and there she took advantage of a moment when the guard wasn't paying attention and fled from the clinic. After fleeing, she returned to the ranks of the fighters.
"Sara was a regular fighter, and took part in many operations against the British and the Arabs," he continued. "When we gathered for an operation, she would make the preparation time pass pleasantly by singing songs of the underground.
her fathers claim to fame
Eitan Livni
When the Irgun proclaimed its "revolt" against the British in February 1944, he was put in charge of the Irgun activities, and was later appointed to the General Headquarters as chief operations officer. He was arrested on April 4, 1946, for his participation in the "Night of the Trains". He was sentenced, together with his comrades, to 15 years imprisonment, but was freed two years later in the Acre Prison break. He was sent clandestinely to Europe to organize action against British targets there, and on May 15, 1948, he returned home to take part in the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. The Night of the Trains (or Operation Party) was a sabotage operation of the British railroads in Palestine on November 1, 1945. The operation was one of the first carried out by the Jewish Resistance Movement, before its official establishment, and symbolized its founding. During the operation Palmach units sabotaged a network of railroads around the country and blew up three British guard boats in Jaffa port and in Haifa, and a combined Irgun-Lehi unit attacked the train station in Lod.
Approximately fifty Palmach units, which included sappers and guard, severely damaged 153 points along the railroad system in Palestine, primarily at railroad junctions and bridges above them. The operations took place around 11:00 p.m., with maximum synchronism, in order to prevent a British response. In only two places did shootings occur, and they both ended with no casualties.
At the same time, the Palmach's marine unit sunk three British guard boats; two in Haifa and one in Jaffa. These boats were part of the closure imposed on the shores in order to prevent Jewish immigration. In Haifa Yohai Ben-Nun led the operation and in Jaffa Yosef Harel and Zalman Cohen did, after a briefing by Yitzhak Sadeh. In both cases the sappers arrived in boats, dived under the British boats and attached explosives with a delay mechanism to the boats.
That same night an Irgun unit, led by Eitan Livni, raided a train station in Lod. While exchanges of fire were going on the fighters blew up three train engines and a number of buildings. During the raid an Irgun fighter, two British and four Arabs were killed. The operation took relatively heavy toll, most likely because the raiding team was late in arriving at the target, meaning the British were already on high alert. A Lehi unit tried to sabotage the refinery in Haifa, but did not succeed because of faulty explosives.
The operation raised morale in the Yishuv, after the heavy restrictions by the British on Aliyah and settlement. The operation mostly created satisfaction within the Yishuv leadership and Palmach and Haganah members that saw that they were able to simultaneously operate a large number of units in a large number of locations. David Ben Gurion wrote to the leadership of the Haganah that this operation has its rewards - though they may not be immediate. The response in Britain was great as well. Government officials condemned the operation and the press published detailed articles about the sabotage actions.
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quote:Originally posted by Hermione Heliotrope.: THE JEWISH HOUSE OF ROTHSCHILD CONTROLS THE ECONOMY & POLITICS OF AMERICA!
~ These are all Jewish names. Keep on peeling the onion and the Jewish House of Rothschild with their International Jewish Banking connections manifest their control over America’s society. This is scary stuff!
Yes and reading the activities of Bernard Madoff and the shear scale of his fraud, and its effect on the world markets really make you question why so many people have trusted so few with so much money. However in Madoff's case they say it will be Zionist organisations that will suffer more as he will not now be able to fund their activities. It still make you wonder though where the hell is this hole that all this money has gone into and what has it been funding.
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quote:Originally posted by Laura: I won't disagree with much hh has said, BUT again, where was Britain's PEACE ENVOY to the MIDDLE EAST TONY BLAIR? Sitting on his ASS for a week before he said a word, and a feeble and impotent one at that! oh ...PLEASE! I condemn, this CONDEMN word is as much an International JOKE as the UN!
He is just as much a WAR CRIMINAL as BUSH!
There I have to agree with you, where is Blair? he has not contributed one meaningful action, but his silence speaks volumes, even the UK govenment seem to be bypassing him.
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quote:Originally posted by Laura: I won't disagree with much hh has said, BUT again, where was Britain's PEACE ENVOY to the MIDDLE EAST TONY BLAIR? Sitting on his ASS for a week before he said a word, and a feeble and impotent one at that! oh ...PLEASE! I condemn, this CONDEMN word is as much an International JOKE as the UN!
He is just as much a WAR CRIMINAL as BUSH!
There I have to agree with you, where is Blair? he has not contributed one meaningful action, but his silence speaks volumes, even the UK govenment seem to be bypassing him.
Do you really believe in peace envoys and such nonsense!!! What Significance has any peace envoy contributed with or brought, ever since any of them was deployed for his/her fake mission and drama show. I wonder what these people's job description and agendas say!!....hasby allah wane3ma alwakil..
Now IDF accomplished targets, so the tone is for a cease fire in 48-72 hrs.. yeah time for peace envoys and mediators..
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Since most of the population of Gaza are refugees, or the children thereof from areas of Palestine who had there towns, land, homes stolen by jews, why is is so amazing that they would vote for a political party that acknowledges this fact and refuses to accept 'the Jewish state of Israel'.
Just because the US government calls Hamas terrorists does not make it so. At 'worst' they are a resistance group.At best, they do quite a lot of good in Gaza whilst faced with great difficulties. It is rubbish to try to blame Hamas directly for the problems Gazans face since their election. The blockade, targetted murders, regular attacks, checkpoints, economic sanctions etc etc have been going on for years. Since the jews left in fact. Does anyone here believe for one second that Israel will ever agree to a seperate state for Palestinians? Do you think they could even risk it now, after the last 2 weeks? Hamas offered a 10 year -TEN YEAR- cease fire in return for for opening the border and Israel's return to 1967 borders. Do none of you remember the members of Hamas government being rounded up and imprisoned for NO reason, other than Israel's fear of having to talk peace. God knows where this is going, but nowhere good I bet.
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It's interesting how Hamas began. They were funded and backed by the Mossad, to help Israel defeat the PLO.
Just one of many articles on the net about this. web page
off topic as alot of this is, but still worth noting is who is really behind all this Piracy going on off the coast of Somalia! BINGO! Soon Israel and the US will control the Red Sea.
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quote:Originally posted by Laura: It's interesting how Hamas began. They were funded and backed by the Mossad, to help Israel defeat the PLO.
Just one of many articles on the net about this. web page
off topic as alot of this is, but still worth noting is who is really behind all this Piracy going on off the coast of Somalia! BINGO! Soon Israel and the US will control the Red Sea.
loool, i love how we BLAME EVERY SINGLE THING ON ISRAEL, EVEN HAMAS NOW! loooooool
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The London March today starting at Speakers corner Hyde Park and marching to the Israeli Embassy have asked that marchers all bring a pair of old shoes to throw at the embassy like they done last week on Downing Street.
Lets hope the rest of the Demo's catch on and do the same to show their contempt. Lets them drown in stinking shoes!
"When the truth is replaced by silence," the Soviet dissident Yevgeny Yevtushenko said, "the silence is a lie." It may appear the silence is broken on Gaza. The cocoons of murdered children, wrapped in green, together with boxes containing their dismembered parents and the cries of grief and rage of everyone in that death camp by the sea, can be viewed on al-Jazeera and YouTube, even glimpsed on the BBC. But Russia's incorrigible poet was not referring to the ephemeral we call news; he was asking why those who knew the why never spoke it and so denied it. Among the Anglo-American intelligentsia, this is especially striking. It is they who hold the keys to the great storehouses of knowledge: the historiographies and archives that lead us to the why.
They know that the horror now raining on Gaza has little to do with Hamas or, absurdly, "Israel's right to exist". They know the opposite to be true: that Palestine's right to exist was cancelled 61 years ago and the expulsion and, if necessary, extinction of the indigenous people was planned and executed by the founders of Israel. They know, for example, that the infamous "Plan D" resulted in the murderous de-population of 369 Palestinian towns and villages by the Haganah (Jewish army) and that massacre upon massacre of Palestinian civilians in such places as Deir Yassin, al-Dawayima, Eilaboun, Jish, Ramle and Lydda are referred to in official records as "ethnic cleansing". Arriving at a scene of this carnage, David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, was asked by a general, Yigal Allon, "What shall we do with the Arabs?" Ben-Gurion, reported the Israeli historian Benny Morris, "made a dismissive, energetic gesture with his hand and said, 'Expel them'. The order to expel an entire population "without attention to age" was signed by Yitzhak Rabin, a future prime minister promoted by the world's most efficient propaganda as a peacemaker. The terrible irony of this was addressed only in passing, such as when the Mapan Party co-leader Meir Ya'ari noted "how easily" Israel's leaders spoke of how it was "possible and permissible to take women, children and old men and to fill the roads with them because such is the imperative of strategy … who remembers who used this means against our people during the [Second World] war … we are appalled."
Every subsequent "war" Israel has waged has had the same objective: the expulsion of the native people and the theft of more and more land. The lie of David and Goliath, of perennial victim, reached its apogee in 1967 when the propaganda became a righteous fury that claimed the Arab states had struck first. Since then, mostly Jewish truth-tellers such as Avi Schlaim, Noam Chomsky, the late Tanya Reinhart, Neve Gordon, Tom Segev, Yuri Avnery, Ilan Pappe and Norman Finklestein have dispatched this and other myths and revealed a state shorn of the humane traditions of Judaism, whose unrelenting militarism is the sum of an expansionist, lawless and racist ideology called zionism. "It seems," wrote the Israeli historian Ilan Pappe on 2 January, "that even the most horrendous crimes, such as the genocide in Gaza, are treated as desperate events, unconnected to anything that happened in the past and not associated with any ideology or system … Very much as the apartheid ideology explained the oppressive policies of the South African government , this ideology - in its most consensual and simplistic variety - has allowed all the Israeli governments in the past and the present to dehumanise the Palestinians wherever they are and strive to destroy them. The means altered from period to period, from location to location, as did the narrative covering up these atrocities. But there is a clear pattern [of genocide]."
In Gaza, the enforced starvation and denial of humanitarian aid, the piracy of life-giving resources such as fuel and water, the denial of medicines and treatment, the systematic destruction of infrastructure and the killing and maiming of the civilian population, 50 per cent of whom are children, meet the international standard of the Genocide Convention. "Is it an irresponsible overstatement," asked Richard Falk, the United Nations Special Rapporteur for Human Rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territory and international law authority at Princeton University, "to associate the treatment of Palestinians with this criminalized Nazi record of collective atrocity? I think not."
In describing a "holocaust-in-the making", Falk was alluding to the Nazis' establishment of Jewish ghettos in Poland. For one month in 1943, the captive Polish Jews led by Mordechaj Anielewiz fought off the German army and the SS, but their resistance was finally crushed and the Nazis exacted their final revenge. Falk is also a Jew. Today's holocaust-in-the-making, which began with Ben-Gurion's Plan D, is in its final stages. The difference today is that it is a joint US-Israeli project. The F-16 jet fighters, the 250-pound "smart" GBU-39 bombs supplied on the eve of the attack on Gaza, having been approved by a Congress dominated by the Democratic Party, plus the annual $2.4 billion in war-making "aid", give Washington de facto control. It beggars belief that President-elect Obama was not informed. Outspoken on Russia's war in Georgia and the terrorism in Mumbai, Obama's silence on Palestine marks his approval, which is to be expected, given his obsequiousness to the Tel Aviv regime and its lobbyists during the presidential campaign and his appointment of Zionists as his secretary of state, chief of staff and principal Middle East advisers. When Aretha Franklin sings "Think", her wonderful 1960s anthem to freedom, at Obama's inauguration on 21 January, I trust someone with the brave heart of Muntadar al-Zaidi, the shoe-thrower, will shout: "Gaza!"
The asymmetry of conquest and terror is clear. Plan D is now "Operation Cast Lead", which is the unfinished "Operation Justified Vengeance". The latter was launched by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in 2001 when, with Bush's approval, he used F-16s against Palestinian towns and villages for the first time. In the same year, the authoritative Jane's Foreign Report disclosed that the Blair government had given Israel the "green light" to attack the West Bank after it was shown Israel's secret designs for a bloodbath. It was typical of New Labour Party's enduring, cringing complicity in Palestine's agony. However, the 2001 Israeli plan, reported Jane's, needed the "trigger" of a suicide bombing which would cause "numerous deaths and injuries [because] the 'revenge' factor is crucial". This would "motivate Israeli soldiers to demolish the Palestinians". What alarmed Sharon and the author of the plan, General Shaul Mofaz, the Israeli Chief of Staff, was a secret agreement between Yasser Arafat and Hamas to ban suicide attacks. On 23 November, 2001, Israeli agents assassinated the Hamas leader, Mahmud Abu Hunud, and got their "trigger"; the suicide attacks resumed in response to his killing.
Something uncannily similar happened on 5 November last, when Israeli special forces attacked Gaza, killing six people. Once again, they got their propaganda "trigger". A ceasefire initiated and sustained by the Hamas government - which had imprisoned its violators -- was shattered by the Israeli attack and home-made rockets were fired into what used to be Palestine before its Arab occupants were "cleansed". The On 23 December, Hamas offered to renew the ceasefire, but Israel's charade was such that its all-out assault on Gaza had been planned six months earlier, according to the Israeli daily Ha'aretz.
Behind this sordid game is the "Dagan Plan", named after General Meir Dagan, who served with Sharon in his bloody invasion of Lebanon in 1982. Now head of Mossad, the Israeli intelligence organisation, Dagan is the author of a "solution" that has seen the imprisonment of Palestinians behind a ghetto wall snaking across the West Bank and in Gaza, effectively a concentration camp. The establishment of a quisling government in Ramallah under Mohammed Abbas is Dagan's achievement, together with a hasbara (propaganda) campaign relayed through a mostly supine, if intimidated western media, notably in America, that says Hamas is a terrorist organisation devoted to Israel's destruction and to "blame" for the massacres and siege of its own people over two generations, long before its creation. "We have never had it so good," said the Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Gideon Meir in 2006. "The hasbara effort is a well-oiled machine." In fact, Hamas's real threat is its example as the Arab world's only democratically elected government, drawing its popularity from its resistance to the Palestinians' oppressor and tormentor. This was demonstrated when Hamas foiled a CIA coup in 2007, an event ordained in the western media as "Hamas's seizure of power". Likewise, Hamas is never described as a government, let alone democratic. Neither is its proposal of a ten-year truce as a historic recognition of the "reality" of Israel and support for a two-state solution with just one condition: that the Israelis obey international law and end their illegal occupation beyond the 1967 borders. As every annual vote in the UN General Assembly demonstrates, 99 per cent of humanity concurs. On 4 January, the president of the General Assembly, Miguel d'Escoto, described the Israeli attack on Gaza as a "monstrosity".
When the monstrosity is done and the people of Gaza are even more stricken, the Dagan Plan foresees what Sharon called a "1948-style solution" - the destruction of all Palestinian leadership and authority followed by mass expulsions into smaller and smaller "cantonments" and perhaps finally into Jordan. This demolition of institutional and educational life in Gaza is designed to produce, wrote Karma Nabulsi, a Palestinian exile in Britain, "a Hobbesian vision of an anarchic society: truncated, violent, powerless, destroyed, cowed … Look to the Iraq of today: that is what [Sharon] had in store for us, and he has nearly achieved it."
Dr. Dahlia Wasfi is an American writer on Palestine. She has a Jewish mother and an Iraqi Muslim father. "Holocaust denial is anti-Semitic," she wrote on 31 December. "But I'm not talking about World War Two, Mahmoud Ahmedinijad (the president of Iran) or Ashkenazi Jews. What I'm referring to is the holocaust we are all witnessing and responsible for in Gaza today and in Palestine over the past 60 years … Since Arabs are Semites, US-Israeli policy doesn't get more anti-Semitic than this." She quoted Rachel Corrie, the young American who went to Palestine to defend Palestinians and was crushed by an Israeli bulldozer. "I am in the midst of a genocide," wrote Corrie, "which I am also indirectly supporting and for which my government is largely responsible."
Reading the words of both, I am struck by the use of "responsibility". Breaking the lie of silence is not an esoteric abstraction but an urgent responsibility that falls to those with the privilege of a platform. With the BBC cowed, so too is much of journalism, merely allowing vigorous debate within unmovable invisible boundaries, ever fearful of the smear of anti-Semitism. The unreported news, meanwhile, is that the death toll in Gaza is the equivalent of 18,000 dead in Britain. Imagine, if you can.
Then there are the academics, the deans and teachers and researchers. Why are they silent as they watch a university bombed and hear the Association of University Teachers in Gaza plea for help? Are British universities now, as Terry Eagleton believes, no more than "intellectual Tescos, churning out a commodity known as graduates rather than greengroceries"?
Then there are the writers. In the dark year of 1939, the Third Writers' Congress was held at Carnegie Hall in New York and the likes of Thomas Mann and Albert Einstein sent messages and spoke up to ensure the lie of silence was broken. By one account, 3,500 jammed the auditorium and a thousand were turned away. Today, this mighty voice of realism and morality is said to be obsolete; the literary review pages affect an ironic hauteur of irrelevance; false symbolism is all. As for the readers, their moral and political imagination is to be pacified, not primed. The anti-Muslim Martin Amis expressed this well in Visiting Mrs Nabokov: "The dominance of the self is not a flaw, it is an evolutionary characteristic; it is just how things are."
If that is how things are, we are diminished as a civilised society. For what happens in Gaza is the defining moment of our time, which either grants the impunity of war criminals the immunity of our silence, while we contort our own intellect and morality, or gives us the power to speak out. For the moment I prefer my own memory of Gaza: of the people's courage and resistance and their "luminous humanity", as Karma Nabulsi put it. On my last trip there, I was rewarded with a spectacle of Palestinian flags fluttering in unlikely places. It was dusk and children had done this. No one told them to do it. They made flagpoles out of sticks tied together, and a few of them climbed on to a wall and held the flag between them, some silently, others crying out. They do this every day when they know foreigners are leaving, believing the world will not forget them.
In 2004, the Zionist-led Board of Deputies of British Jews, staunch defenders of Israeli crimes, accused the charity Interpal of involvement in ‘terrorism’, for which smear they had to later pay damages.
Lloyds TSB Chairman, Sir Victor Blank, is a governor of Tel Aviv University, Chair of UJS/Hillel, a member of the Advisory Board of the United Jewish Israel Appeal and is involved in Labour Friends of Israel. UJS/Hillel assists members of the pro-Israel Union of Jewish Students, a group that works to silence Palestinian voices on British campuses.
One Lloyds TSB director, Sir David Manning, is an ex-ambassador to both Israel and the USA and was Foreign Policy Adviser to Tony Blair during the planning for the invasion of Iraq.
Now Blank, Manning & Co., have moved against Interpal; Lloyds TSB has demanded that the Islamic Bank of Britain cease all dealings with the registered charity. By hitting Interpal’s banking facilities, Lloyds TSB aims to support Israel by shutting off the trickle of aid that Interpal has managed to get into occupied Palestine over the years of Israel’s brutal siege.
British bank customers, and those who support Palestinians’ right to existence, can oppose this sadistic move by Lloyds TSB. While Palestinians are facing Israeli bulldozers, snipers, torture chambers and denial of medicines and food, we have an opportunity to join in their resistance to the vast criminal alliance that is trying to crush them.
It's a tragedy that the Israelis - a people who must understand better than almost anybody the horrors of oppression - are now acting as oppressors. As the great Jewish writer Primo Levi once remarked "Everybody has their Jews, and for the Israelis it's the Palestinians". By creating a middle Eastern version of the Warsaw ghetto they are recapitulating their own history as though they've forgotten it. And by trying to paint an equivalence between the Palestinians - with their homemade rockets and stone-throwing teenagers - and themselves - with one of the most sophisticated military machines in the world - they sacrifice all credibility.
The Israelis are a gifted and resourceful people who fully deserve the right to live in peace, but who seem intent on squandering every chance to allow that to happen. It's difficult to avoid the conclusion that this conflict serves the political and economic purposes of Israel so well that they have every interest in maintaining it. While there is fighting they can continue to build illegal settlements. While there is fighting they continue to receive huge quantities of military aid from the United States. And while there is fighting they can avoid looking candidly at themselves and the ruthlessness into which they are descending.
Gaza is now an experiment in provocation. Stuff one and a half million people into a tiny space, stifle their access to water, electricity, food and medical treatment, destroy their livelihoods, and humiliate them regularly...and, surprise, surprise - they turn hostile. Now why would you want to make that experiment?
Because the hostility you provoke is the whole point. Now 'under attack' you can cast yourself as the victim, and call out the helicopter gunships and the F16 attack fighters and the heavy tanks and the guided missiles, and destroy yet more of the pathetic remains of infrastructure that the Palestinian state still has left. And then you can point to it as a hopeless case, unfit to govern itself, a terrorist state, a state with which you couldn't possibly reach an accommodation.
And then you can carry on with business as usual, quietly stealing their homeland.
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What bugs me is how the US supported IRA terrorism against the British - and had the British responded the way the Israelis are now (whatever your opinion about Hamas and whether they are legitimate or terrorist) - then the British Government would rightly have been roundly condemned for disproportionate response. Would anyone have supported the British Government if it had slaughtered citizens of Northern Ireland to get at a handful of persons embedded within the community who were causing terror and distruction on a daily basis to innocent civilians in the UK mainland?
And yes, I do see parallels between the Israel/Gaza conflict and the situation between Britain and Northern Ireland 20 years ago. With the exception that Hamas was of course democratically elected to lead Gaza but of course you can only have democracy if you get 'the right answer'.
I have noticed that the BBC World coverage is becoming more sympathetic to the Palestinians in the past few days.
I am appalled that the US abstained on this matter at the UN. Even our wet lot in the UK didn't abstain.
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With the exception that Hamas was of course democratically elected to lead Gaza but of course you can only have democracy if you get 'the right answer'.
Exactly
more like Demon ocracy!
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2 snippets of good news to counter the bad told to hubby an hour ago by a friend.
Staff at a 6th October City Phone network have collected money and the men are out now buying blankets, clothing, and supplies to take to the injured Palestinians in the Cairo hospitals to take back with them.
The Egyptian Stock Market has collected minimum of 100le from each investor and raised so far 200 million Le to give to Gazans. Personal friend was a contributer and told us this news today.
quote:Originally posted by Dawn-Bev*: I just dont understand how the Israelies (and their supporters) cannot see the dichotomy
Dawn Bev, understand only one thing. They are programmed LIARS.
I watched a show on Al Jazeera last night with Zalman Shavol, former Israeli ambassador to the US; Saad Nagi Jawad, a professor of political science at Baghdad University, and Rami Khouri, editor-at-large of the Lebanese newspaper the Daily Star.
On NATIONAL television the Israeli Ambassador stated that EGYPT attacked Israel first in the War of 67.
They will say and do anything to accomplish their own agenda, world domination.
If you want to watch the show, it is still airing today and tomorrow on the English Al Jazeera station.
This episode of Inside Iraq airs from Friday, January 9, 2009 at the following times GMT:
Friday: 1730 and 2330; Saturday: 0530 and 2030; Sunday: 0300 and 0830; Monday: 0330.
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quote:Originally posted by TAREK307: loool, i love how we BLAME EVERY SINGLE THING ON ISRAEL, EVEN HAMAS NOW! loooooool
Wrong Tarek, I don't blame your ignorance on them, I will let YOU take full responsibility for that.
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quote:Originally posted by Dawn-Bev*: I just dont understand how the Israelies (and their supporters) cannot see the dichotomy
Dawn Bev, understand only one thing. They are programmed LIARS.
I watched a show on Al Jazeera last night with Zalman Shavol, former Israeli ambassador to the US; Saad Nagi Jawad, a professor of political science at Baghdad University, and Rami Khouri, editor-at-large of the Lebanese newspaper the Daily Star.
On NATIONAL television the Israeli Ambassador stated that EGYPT attacked Israel first in the War of 67.
They will say and do anything to accomplish their own agenda, world domination.
If you want to watch the show, it is still airing today and tomorrow on the English Al Jazeera station.
This episode of Inside Iraq airs from Friday, January 9, 2009 at the following times GMT:
Friday: 1730 and 2330; Saturday: 0530 and 2030; Sunday: 0300 and 0830; Monday: 0330.
thanks for that link
I will watch the 20.30 /22.30 one tonight if my stomach can take any more .
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I heard on the news yesterday there was a call from someone in the UN about taking Israel to a war crimes tribunal.
Ive found a local Palestinian Solidarity group
there appears to plenty of support for Palestine, even among Jews, however, I have this sinking feeling that it boils down to power and money, and because of influential jewish business and politicians in the US - nothing will EVER be done about this - i'm hoping I'm wrong
an interesting article - (just found it when googling 'western journalists support palestine' - its about a palestinian man in the west bank just going to his violin lesson, and israeli soldiers made him play something sad before he could pass by - oh my god, those israeli soldiers' grandparents if they were from nazi occupied europe would be so appalled at their behaviour and comparison
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We just have to do our best. This morning I sent out e mails to all the US demonstrators websites to throw shoes and to make posters with Livni's parents on them, in time before they demonstrate. It was too late for London and Ireland by the time I was organised. E mailed the Obama Transition Team, Annie Lennox.
The UN for it to have any future credibility has to be moved out of New York and restructured after this.
I think that John Ging and Christopher Gunness of UNRWA need as much support and e mails to take the case to the Hague for war crimes against humanity.
We need to remove it from the USA and try to get it on neutral soil like Switzerland.
We can start be e mailing these
UNRWA PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICES
Email enquiries are welcomed. If you have a specific query on any aspect of UNRWA's work with Palestine refugees in one of the areas UNRWA works in, please send your email to the relevant Field public information office or to the Headquarters public information office. Please do not send multiple emails (i.e. the same email enquiry) to several or all of our PIOs.
Headquarters, Gaza Sami Mshasha' Deputy Spokperson and Arabic Spokeperson Tel: (+ 972 8) 677 7526/7 or (+ 970 8) 288 7526/7 Fax: (+ 972 8) 677 7697 or (+ 970 8) 288 7697 Email: unrwa-pio@unrwa.org
Jordan Field Office, Amman Matar Saqer Public Information Officer/Arabic Translator Tel: (+ 962 6) 560 9100 (ext 165) Fax: (+ 962 6) 560 9164 Email: jorpio@unrwa.org
Lebanon Field Office, Beirut Hoda Samra Public Information Officer Tel: (+ 961 1) 840 490-5, 840 461-9 (ext 314) Fax: (+ 961 1) 840 466 Email: h.samra@unrwa.org
Syrian Arab Republic Field Office, Damascus Hala Mukhles Public Information Officer Tel: (+ 963 11) 613 3035 (ext 258) Fax: (+ 963 11) 613 3047 Email: sarpio@unrwa.org
Assistant to Director of UNRWA Operation / West Bank Spokesperson / Media and Communications Officer (HQ)
West Bank Field Office, Jerusalem Sami Mshasha' Deputy Spokperson and Arabic Spokeperson Tel: (+ 972 2) 589 0408 Fax: (+ 972 2) 532 2842 Email: wbpio@unrwa.org
Gaza Field Office, Gaza Jamal Hamad Public Information Officer Tel: (+ 972 8) 677 7457 or (+ 970 8) 288 7457 Fax: (+ 972 8) 677 7219 or (+ 970 8) 288 7219 Email: gazapio@unrwa.org
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Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention defines war crimes as: "Wilful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, including... wilfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health, unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement of a protected person, compelling a protected person to serve in the forces of a hostile power, or wilfully depriving a protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial, ...taking of hostages and extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly."
This, international lawyers say, is the basic definition of war crimes.
The statutes of The Hague tribunal say the court has the right to try suspects alleged to have violated the laws or customs of war in the former Yugoslavia since 1992. Examples of such violations are given in article 3:
* Wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity * Attack, or bombardment, by whatever means, of undefended towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings * Seizure of, destruction or wilful damage done to institutions dedicated to religion, charity and education, the arts and sciences, historic monuments and works of art and science
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The International Criminal Court at the Hague is the place it should to happen.
But guess what!!!!
surprise surprise!!!
The USA and Israel are not one of the 108 countries that recognise it.
How very convenient!
Establishment of the Court
The International Criminal Court was established by the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, so called because it was adopted in Rome, Italy on 17 July 1998 by the United Nations Diplomatic Conference of Plenipotentiaries on the Establishment of an International Criminal Court. The Rome Statute is an international treaty, binding only on those States which formally express their consent to be bound by its provisions. These States then become “Parties” to the Statute. In accordance with its terms, the Statute entered into force on 1 July 2002, once 60 States had become Parties. Today, 108 States have become Parties to the Statute. The States Parties meet in the Assembly of States Parties which is the management oversight and legislative body of the Court.
Following the adoption of the Rome Statute, the United Nations convened the Preparatory Commission for the International Criminal Court. As with the Rome Conference, all States were invited to participate in the Preparatory Commission. Among its achievements, the Preparatory Commission reached consensus on the Rules of Procedure and Evidence and the Elements of Crimes. These two texts were subsequently adopted by the Assembly of States Parties. Together with the Rome Statute and the Regulations of the Court adopted by the judges, they comprise the Court’s basic legal texts, setting out its structure, jurisdiction and functions.
Pressure has to come from the public for the UNRWA to pursue a case against Israel. They have all the evidence they need, according to the Geneva Convention.
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quote:Originally posted by Laura: I fear it's too late to do anything anymore, because Zionism controls the whole world now. Not just the US, but the whole world.
It is truly a frightening thought. God be with us all.
Laura, I agree with most of your views on here, but I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you on this one. Unfortunately you are perpetuating a myth, that is, they the zionist control the world and that it is "too late to do anything anymore". This is exactly what they want you to think, and how they want you to feel, to accept this myth matter-of-factly. i.e. there's nothing you can do about it and this is destiny!! It's like this other ridiculous nonesense about the protocols.
By getting you convinced with that, they've defeated you before you've even started fighting them. They've put you in the mind set of "how can I defeat them if they control the whole world". Along those lines is the myth of the invincible army, which Hizbullah has proved to be rather the imbecile army!!
The late scholar (I prefer to call him a sage actually) and authority on zionism, Dr. Abdul Wahab ElMissiry offers a completely differnet explanation. His theory is that it is actually the other way around, it's the US whose using the zionist entity, mainly to keep the region on its toes due to its strategic importance to it, and to do all the dirty work for the US by proxy. It's not for any ideological reasons, i.e. if it wasn't for the oil and the strategic location of the region, the US wouldn't have given a damn to the zionist. It is "a" theory, an explanation, and I think it might be valid, but of course not everybody agrees with it. You make up your mind, but whatever your view is, I believe that the self fulfilling prophecy of zoinist dominatin does more harm than good.
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quote:Originally posted by Ramses nemesis: You make up your mind, but whatever your view is, I believe that the self fulfilling prophecy of zoinist dominatin does more harm than good. [/QB]
Possibly Ramses, but how can you deny that they are not in control. Is it all fiction, when you look at who controls the money in the world? Money controls the Politicians, not the other way around.
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quote:Originally posted by EgyptianDoc77: Now IDF accomplished targets, so the tone is for a cease fire in 48-72 hrs.. yeah time for peace envoys and mediators..
As much as it hurts to admit it, I'm afraid you're right about achieving their targets. Not by breaking Hamas, I don't think they have or will every do that. But rather by making it impossible for them to be elected again. There's so much a population can take before turning against their own heros. Even the Palestinians don't turn their backs to Hamas, Hamas have lost a lot of infrastructure (I mean ability to interact rather than actual physical infrastructure) and people to help get elected again. Of course if an election is to take place some time after the fighting is over, then both the zionists and the Palestinian authority will ensure that whoever might be elected from Hamas is jailed, or even assassinated!
The reason I'm mentioning elections is that to the best of my knowledge, the term of president Abbas has ended a couple of days ago. This means that there is currently a constitutional void as the only elected people now are Hamas. Note that Fayyad was not elected but appointed by Abbas.
I genuinely wonder if that was one of the hidden aims of the campaign in addition of course to the announced ones. For some reason nobody seems to mention this issue!! For those with a Palestinian connection around here, do you have any information from Palestine concerning this issue. I'm really curious to know how they'll solve this problem.
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Ramses, according to my husband (a Palestinian), Abbas will remain as acting President, even though his term has officially ended. This is in accordance with policy regarding "Times of War". Once the area is stable, a new election will start.
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I want to post a little report for anyone who may be interested and who might want to do something but feel helpless, and can't think of any way to help.
My hubby went today with the guy who made the collection and some others to buy the clothing and supplies from the money gathered by the mobile phone company in 6th October City. Won't name it but it is one of the 3 here in Egypt.
They drove out to the Sheikh Zayid hospital on the Mehwar Rd this afternoon to visit 7 Palestinians injured from Gaza.
All male. 2 x 15 year olds, 5 males 25-35 years old. 2 in Intensive care unconscious, the rest conscious. Each had a family member with them. The family members told their stories to hubby and his friends.
All injured where hit by rockets and shrapnel from Israeli fighter jets. They were chosen for evacuation through Rafah and went to Al Arish Hospital for transfer to Cairo. These 7 came to 6th October.
The guys visited each person and their family member who was allowed to accompany them and handed over new clothing, underwear and blankets and each was given 1000le in cash from the collection.
The families told them of heartbreaking personal stories. They spent time with each of the injured. Even the unconscious ones to let them know that people cared about them and their state. They also spoke to one of the paramedics who went to pick them up. He drove to Rafah in the ambulances and the scene was one from hell he told them. Arish was filled with women and children injured awaiting transfer. The paramedic said that the doctors in Cairo are trying to arrange 180 ambulance convoy to pick up the 180 critically injured women and children to bring here to Cairo for specialized treatment. Each day brings more casualties to Arish.
Hubby said that the family came with what was on their backs, and need support and assistance.
They desperately need clothing, underwear and ship ships as well as blankets for the injured and the family member ( males ). Soap and towels will be of use too.
Even if you can give a few pounds or some clothing to someone in a hospital near you it will help. Ma'adi Military Hospital is one I know of. Sheikh Zayid is another.
The hospital doctor said that they will be sending Blood Transfusion Units out in 6th October to collect blood. We are giving on Friday when it will be beside us.
You can call your nearest hospital to see if you can donate blood too to help.
quote:Originally posted by Laura: Ramses, according to my husband (a Palestinian), Abbas will remain as acting President, even though his term has officially ended. This is in accordance with policy regarding "Times of War". Once the area is stable, a new election will start.
Thanks Laura for the clarification. Yes, a new election with no hope what so ever for Hamas to win. The whole world robbed the courageous Palestinians of their choice, that's of course after having robbed them of their land, homes and lives for sixty years! How sad and unjust is that.
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Please make sure that you don't hand over goods to hospital personnel, but to the actual patients themselves. The guys had no trouble visiting in Sheikh Zayid. Hopefully the other hospitals will allow visitor in. If not take to one who does allow you to hand it over in person.
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