quote:Originally posted by Monkey: I can see where you're coming from, to some extent. It's tempting to say "well she shouldn't have been there", but that was her job. So the onus was on her employers to make sure she was safe. They sound utterly clueless BTW. ONE properly trained bodyguard and two drivers standing in as bodyguards? Completely ridiculous. No it isn't right, whatever went on, but if you're placed somewhere in the course of your employment, the onus is on your employers to keep you safe. They did a woeful job by the sounds of things. Security was a joke.
So let's get this straight, you're saying if she'd been freelance, or just a tourist even, and gone there of her own volition, like Ferret did the footie match, she would have brought it on herself?
Last paragraph not at all, but then if she was freelancing she might have not garnered as much ire from the Security Services. She could have gone unnoticed.
Remember her entire crew was attacked, and its difficult to film and gather information is you have more body guards than crew.
The recent newsweek edition or April 27th, had obits for two war journalists (both men) who had died in Libya covering the revolution.
These men had covered Iraq and Afghanistan as well. THere has been very little coverage but men journalists in Afghanistan have been attacked and sodomized with tools. So yes it happens to men too but the media (and the people who consume this media) are not as interested in man on man sexual assualt as the public would be interested in a white pretty woman being assualted in the Middle East.
I don't consider CBS responsible for what happened, I blame the sexual assualants, the criminals who did this.
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It's odd behaviour though, no? It's not common behaviour for a victim of a sexual assault to go to the media. Often times, women won't even go to the authorities for the precise reason that they don't want the world and his wife talking about something so personal to them, let alone appearing on camera and going into every lurid detail.
Anyway, as another poster said, this morbid fascination is all a kookie in my book so I'll leave you to it if you don't mind.
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This ongoing rant against Lara Logan reminds me of a specific quote of a Sheik Hilali which of course a number of the same ES usernames who are having a shitfit over Lara Logan are making a similar statement:
Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, one of Australia's most senior Muslim clerics, compared immodestly-dressed women who do not cover themselves with the Islamic veil with meat that is left uncovered in the street and is then eaten by cats.
He asked another age-old theological question -- "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it..whose fault is it -- the cats or the uncovered meat?"
quote:Originally posted by metinoot: This ongoing rant against Lara Logan
That no one has bothered with for 6 days
And I have been offline for 6 days unlike the rest of you.
I think this is the third thread on Lara Logan, and its been discussed to death since it happened.
Frighteningly more older western women in Egypt or regularly visit Egypt on ES had more interest in the Lara Logan fall out than any other aspect of the rebuilding of the political system in Egypt.
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quote:Originally posted by metinoot: This ongoing rant against Lara Logan
That no one has bothered with for 6 days
And I have been offline for 6 days unlike the rest of you.
I think this is the third thread on Lara Logan, and its been discussed to death since it happened.
Frighteningly more older western women in Egypt or regularly visit Egypt on ES had more interest in the Lara Logan fall out than any other aspect of the rebuilding of the political system in Egypt.
Since we have been on ES for the 6 days and NOT bothered about lara bloody logan and you have just come back after 6 days and jumped right back on it shows you have way more interest in discussing it to death than the rest of us have. Boy you really are so dumb! Posts: 15090 | From: http://www.egyptalk.com/forum/ | Registered: Jul 2004
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I am embarassed to admit I hadn't the faintest idea who Lara Logan is. When I first saw the name I thought she was Batman's girlfriend or something. Now of course, I realise that she is the sex goddess of choice for at least one or two ladies on here. Personally, since I never watch CNN - or it it Fox News? I still don't know what the fuss is about, It does seem her account of her unpleasant experience has gathered a lot more apparently tittilating details over the following weeks. To the more sexually grounded among us, it's boring, old news, suspect in fact. People actually died during that period. Some were imprisoned, and still are, God knows where.Reporters from Al Jazz have been abducted.
Batman's girlfriend and her underwear are trivia in my opinion.
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Mo, you are so right. Reality is folk died, people were maimed, companys went bust and people lost their jobs. Way more important in reality than some bird no one had ever heard of grasping desperately at a bit of fame.
This woman is out the limelight, her 15 minutes of fame expired.
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quote:Originally posted by Cheekyferret: Mo, you are so right. Reality is folk died, people were maimed, companys went bust and people lost their jobs. Way more important in reality than some bird no one had ever heard of grasping desperately at a bit of fame.
This woman is out the limelight, her 15 minutes of fame expired.
'Older women' ... Older than you? That counts a fair few of us out then Forgive my cheek, I should respect my elders
Since Lara Logan is an international war correspondant she has had much more than 15 minutes of fame. Try over a decade.
If she brought this upon herself as you lasses claim, then her "lime light" has been deminished and actually halted her career.
So what you are suggesting is actually ironic and completely backwards.
But that is your normal perspective on most topics isn't it? Posts: 2280 | Registered: Oct 2009
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quote:Originally posted by Mo Ning Min E: I am embarassed to admit I hadn't the faintest idea who Lara Logan is. When I first saw the name I thought she was Batman's girlfriend or something. Now of course, I realise that she is the sex goddess of choice for at least one or two ladies on here. Personally, since I never watch CNN - or it it Fox News? I still don't know what the fuss is about, It does seem her account of her unpleasant experience has gathered a lot more apparently tittilating details over the following weeks. To the more sexually grounded among us, it's boring, old news, suspect in fact. People actually died during that period. Some were imprisoned, and still are, God knows where.Reporters from Al Jazz have been abducted.
Batman's girlfriend and her underwear are trivia in my opinion.
THis Lara Logan thing has been briefly discussed on a variety of news media.
Since I am a NPR person I've heard her name brought up about 10 times since this has happened. Mainly to give a time frame to when the main protests occured and right before babaMu stepped down.
Otherwise I think 60 minutes did her interview.
I don't have television at home and don't watch TV much but this episode seems to be more of an interest across the pond than here.
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quote:Originally posted by Mo Ning Min E: BTW Metinoot. I wondered where you were. Have you been sick or something?
No I have hobbies. WOrking part time has mushroomed into full time.
Community gardening, and being handed two orphaned bikes means I will also be picking up the "bicycle maintenance" bug too.
Its summer in Minnesota thus this is when people finally get outside and start doing things. Helps that there is no longer 4 foot piles of snow everywhere.
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Mabruk on the new job in bicycle maintenance sono.
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Actually Met, what got this thread a bit niggly wasn't 'us Brits' callously disregarding the tribulations of LL; The only place I read the name was on here [apart from a mention on the BBC ages ago when this assault took place] During the time you were off gardening one poster here got a little overexcited about the sexual aspects of the incident, spammimg the board with blow-blow [oops no pun intended]details.Made me feel uncomfortable.[Others too I expect] If this lady is a real journo, not just a tv face, I do hope she doesn't give up her career to become a chatshow victim, even if the pay's better. I don't think anyone said she brought it on herself, merely that the job does carry risks wherever one is in the world. 'Very Wierd' was suggesting that 'we' didn't care enough because we weren't gorgeous enough to be sexually assaulted - jealous !!!! Somewhat unreconstructed attitude to sexual deviancy eh?
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I think part of the issue re Lara Logan is that her case has been used across the media as a sort of 'anti-revolution' propaganda (I have seen on several forums all Egyptians dismissed as beasts as a result undeserving of any change in regime based on this single incident).
I was discussing with an American friend a week or so ago, and I think one of the issues for us Brits is, as MoNing said, we have never heard of her before and her name is a bit 'Superman's Girlfriend' and like it or not, judgments were made based on (a) her name and (b) her attractiveness. (And like it or not, people in Britain are very frequently judged on their physical appearance. Fat birds, for example, rarely apply for senior posts - but that is another story).
However, it turns out she is a very respected American reporter who has been in many war/strife zones before so her report will be given a lot of weight by those who are familiar with her work.
Personally, I am inclined to believe she suffered a very frightening experience - whether at the hands of revolutionaries or baltagaya - who knows!
Yes, of course, it may not be the most important incident of the revolution, but for many in the US (and in other countries) it is a significant face of it - like it or not - and I believe needs to be understood and contextualized.
Think of it a bit this way - when we hear the news on tv in the UK about a mega-disaster somewhere - "28000 people were wiped out including 1 Brit!" or those 'aid' plans where you sponsor a kid in a poor country but actually the money you send is shared in projects supporting families/villages or whatever. People's minds often can't grasp big numbers and need that personalization level to be able to understand what is happening.
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I am not from a Shire. Please use my correct title 'Lady Ferret'.
OOOo a desk job, I am SO jealous And then you go home alone to mend bicycles alone. How many cats do you have?
ES is not my only hobby, I also knock back narcotics that I cannot get here and I also work 8 - 4 everyday as a TA hmmm I wonder who made that gossip up... I will give you a clue, it was either me or you and it wasn't me
I will give you a few hours to figure it out.
Congrats on the job.
Sincerely, A. Hobbit Shireshire.
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quote:Originally posted by Shanta Gdeeda: I think part of the issue re Lara Logan is that her case has been used across the media as a sort of 'anti-revolution' propaganda (I have seen on several forums all Egyptians dismissed as beasts as a result undeserving of any change in regime based on this single incident).
I was discussing with an American friend a week or so ago, and I think one of the issues for us Brits is, as MoNing said, we have never heard of her before and her name is a bit 'Superman's Girlfriend' and like it or not, judgments were made based on (a) her name and (b) her attractiveness. (And like it or not, people in Britain are very frequently judged on their physical appearance. Fat birds, for example, rarely apply for senior posts - but that is another story).
However, it turns out she is a very respected American reporter who has been in many war/strife zones before so her report will be given a lot of weight by those who are familiar with her work.
Personally, I am inclined to believe she suffered a very frightening experience - whether at the hands of revolutionaries or baltagaya - who knows!
Yes, of course, it may not be the most important incident of the revolution, but for many in the US (and in other countries) it is a significant face of it - like it or not - and I believe needs to be understood and contextualized.
Think of it a bit this way - when we hear the news on tv in the UK about a mega-disaster somewhere - "28000 people were wiped out including 1 Brit!" or those 'aid' plans where you sponsor a kid in a poor country but actually the money you send is shared in projects supporting families/villages or whatever. People's minds often can't grasp big numbers and need that personalization level to be able to understand what is happening.
I am glad you stated this.
Yet I've noticed with the "throw the dog off the roof" incident, the egyguys who feel justified throwing a dog off a roof because khawagaas love dogs like children, were against the revolution.
I don't see how the LL incident is much different from the dog thrown from the roof incident.
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quote:Originally posted by Shanta Gdeeda: I think part of the issue re Lara Logan is that her case has been used across the media as a sort of 'anti-revolution' propaganda (I have seen on several forums all Egyptians dismissed as beasts as a result undeserving of any change in regime based on this single incident).
I was discussing with an American friend a week or so ago, and I think one of the issues for us Brits is, as MoNing said, we have never heard of her before and her name is a bit 'Superman's Girlfriend' and like it or not, judgments were made based on (a) her name and (b) her attractiveness. (And like it or not, people in Britain are very frequently judged on their physical appearance. Fat birds, for example, rarely apply for senior posts - but that is another story).
However, it turns out she is a very respected American reporter who has been in many war/strife zones before so her report will be given a lot of weight by those who are familiar with her work.
Personally, I am inclined to believe she suffered a very frightening experience - whether at the hands of revolutionaries or baltagaya - who knows!
Yes, of course, it may not be the most important incident of the revolution, but for many in the US (and in other countries) it is a significant face of it - like it or not - and I believe needs to be understood and contextualized.
Think of it a bit this way - when we hear the news on tv in the UK about a mega-disaster somewhere - "28000 people were wiped out including 1 Brit!" or those 'aid' plans where you sponsor a kid in a poor country but actually the money you send is shared in projects supporting families/villages or whatever. People's minds often can't grasp big numbers and need that personalization level to be able to understand what is happening.
I am glad you stated this.
Yet I've noticed with the "throw the dog off the roof" incident, the egyguys who feel justified throwing a dog off a roof because khawagaas love dogs like children, were against the revolution.
I don't see how the LL incident is much different from the dog thrown from the roof incident.
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Dog from the roof incident was different. There were photos. If there weren't, would we be talking about it?
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quote:Originally posted by Monkey: Dog from the roof incident was different. There were photos. If there weren't, would we be talking about it?
certainly vouyer aren't you?
Maybe there is photos and video footage of the attack, could be the film crew and lara logan don't want something like that released.
Or the photos/video footage is in a Security Services unknown bunker, why not confiscate proof of their crime?
And why would you want to watch a sexual assault that went on for an extend period of time? You enjoy watching such an act?
Why isn't the first hand accounts of persons who were actually there proof enough?
You certainly do have morbid inclinations.
I thought it was claimed people were taking photos of this alleged attack, but none have showed up anywhere. Bit odd, and no security didn't confiscate everyones camera phones. Posts: 15090 | From: http://www.egyptalk.com/forum/ | Registered: Jul 2004
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Holy guacamole, Batman! You've been harping on about this now for HOW many months? Ressurected this thread how many times? And I'm a voyeur?
As another poster said, in the interview Lara Logan states there were a million flashes - so where are the photos? Coz if the dog guys will do that for a camera filming themselves in an easily identifiable building, you can bet that one of those men in the attack would have had the audacity to post something on Youtube - or - more likely - sell it. I suggest you and VW get your butts over there see what you can find to titilate yourselves with. Come to think of it, where is VW? Ah...
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ROFL sono has obviously watched anything she can on her hero Lara and has the gall to call someone else a voyeur.
I suppose in a court anyone viewing photos of a crime are voyeurs too?
what a plonker, you really should engage your braincell before typing sono, but then you wouldn't be so amusing.
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The curious incident of the dog on the roofop actually did the rounds on Facebook... I never had to search that, it was thrown in front of me. As I stated to a member on here before, I never opened the link though as I heard it was graphic and disturbing.
I don't recall the mysterious incident of an unknown blonde in Tahrir being shared at all.
Perhaps the entire planet are conspiring against Sono!
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quote:Originally posted by Cheekyferret: The curious incident of the dog on the roofop actually did the rounds on Facebook... I never had to search that, it was thrown in front of me. As I stated to a member on here before, I never opened the link though as I heard it was graphic and disturbing.
I don't recall the mysterious incident of an unknown blonde in Tahrir being shared at all.
Perhaps the entire planet are conspiring against Sono!
No I think a number of the usual ESers want to get their rocks off watching a "blonde" be sexually assualted.
Which is frightening.
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Don't it make you laugh when people do the "" thing? Are you applying cynicism now as to whether Lara Logan is a natural blonde? Otherwise why are you ""ing? Ooh, ooh. I know. lets have a three page argument about it were you can call us all fatties and tell us about your highpowered ex relations. Second thoughts, lets not.
You're a ""er in real life aren't you. Thought so.
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quote:Originally posted by Cheekyferret: The curious incident of the dog on the roofop actually did the rounds on Facebook... I never had to search that, it was thrown in front of me. As I stated to a member on here before, I never opened the link though as I heard it was graphic and disturbing.
I don't recall the mysterious incident of an unknown blonde in Tahrir being shared at all.
Perhaps the entire planet are conspiring against Sono!
No I think a number of the usual ESers want to get their rocks off watching a "blonde" be sexually assualted.
Which is frightening.
How sick you are is frightening.
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quote:Originally posted by Monkey: Come to think of it, where is VW?
Probably downloading all the Scooby Doo she can get from that nutter on the music and movies thread. Posts: 3219 | From: Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone. | Registered: Nov 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Cheekyferret: Shame there is no footage for them to see then really!!!
Back to square 1, again!
You assume there is no footage.
And you are also disregarding medical doctor's report of assualt.
Then again high learning is not a personal pursuit of yours now is it?
Assualt... need I say more
and you are the one having trouble getting your work visa renewed under the new administration.... qualifications under review and not meeting the guidelines? ha ha ha ha ha
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Am I? Crikey, I did learn something from you... Although you must have missed it last month where I talked about my Mogamma visit
Sweetie, I qualify now for a visa just like I did way back when ah, you are clueless 'ha ha ha ha ha ha'
And God, if you think that any kinda new guidelines are enforced yet then, impossible as it may seem, you really are as stupid as you look!
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