You're so different from all the other tourists.

I feel ashamed to ask you but I need the money to pay for my grandmother's operation.

I cannot see you as my mother is very ill (on this first day of your week in Luxor that you have dared to surprise me).

You are my princess.

You are the most beautiful woman I have ever seen.

Oh my God I am in love with you.

I have never loved another woman before.

You are my first love.

Egyptian women do not interest me.

I am sorry I did not phone you for 4 months, business is not good and I had to money to phone you.

I lost your telephone number.

My house telephone is broken and we cannot hear it ring.

My mobile is broken.

Age is only a number.

I am different from Egyptian men.

All the fingers on my hands are different, look, the same as I am different from Egyptian men.

I am a virgin.

I have never kissed another woman.

I respect you and your religion.

I think God wants us to be together.

An orfi marriage is 100% good, costs LE800 but it is worth it.

Do not write to me at home address, write to me at my brother's shop.

I have told all my family about you and they are happy we get married.

Meet my sister and mother (really wife and mother in law).

When you are a tourist in Egypt you speak to other tourists. These are the things that local Egyptian men have said to them or their friends.

I'm not accusing Egyptian of being bad.
Some of them, the would be gigolos, come across as funny, desperate and deceitful.

Hollanda - if you're sitting in rear gardens of hotel in the evening, having a cool drink, on the next table you hear this kind of thing going on being a young local male and an older female tourist. Or the Egyptologist on a nile cruise chatting up some tourist at the bar, declaring his undying love for them, that kind of thing.

They feel as though it is part of the course for a tourist to hear such things.

You don't hear all those things from guys in the UK who have known a tourist for 1 week.

If you read some of the other threads on the boards, a few of these popular sayings are repeated by others.

HaHaHaHaHaHaHa Laughing all the way to the beach or the falouka or the perfume factory. Take your pick!

The following conversation took place on a Nile Cruise boat. The manager said "Come to my office for tea"

I feel I have known you before, in another life - I love you.

BUT YOU DON'T KNOW ME

I do, in another life. I love you I want to live long life with you

BUT YOU ARE MARRIED

Yes but you can be my girlfriend,I can not sleep, I think of you all night.

WELL I SLEPT VERY WELL! DO YOU NOT LOVE YOUR WIFE?

Yes but of course. Look my hands are shaking. I love you so much.

WELL I LIKE YOU BUT AS A FRIEND NOTHING MORE

I can have more than one wife

DO YOU MEAN AN ORFI MARRIAGE.I BET YOU SPEAK LIKE THIS WITH ALL THE TOURISTS.

(He didn't understand at this point!) No you are the first - I promise you. You are so beautifull. We can meet in Turkey, we can be together there. It is very cheap there and I do not need a visa.

THAT SOUNDS NICE BUT WE DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER

I love you. do you live alone? do you have a house? How many bedrooms do you have?

WHY DO YOU ASK

I like to know these things. I would like to work in England can you help me. I live with you.

WHAT ABOUT YOUR WIFE

I go back once a year to visit her.

Needless to say the conversation went around in circles. We did cuddle and kiss but nothing else - I felt safe because I was on a boat and he could not be seen to be alone with me as he is the manager and was worried about loosing his job.

I did write to him a few times but he says he didn't receive my letters. However I am going back next month to work for a month and will call in and see the him and the guys on the boat and take a few gifts for them and their families. I am fond of him but that's all. I am in Egypt because I love the place not because I am looking for love.
I don't think Egyptian guys are bad. They make me smile!

even when i traveled there i earesed any single bad word i ever heared about theme and tried to find the truth by my self.

Most of Egyptian men r so royal and love madly..

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Originally posted by moll:
Well, I've never heard all this kind of BS anywhere else! When I asked someone why they do it (and I know it's NOT all of them, but enough of them) they said that it was because they just like to make the tourists happy. But it doesn't make me happy to have someone treating me like this, I sometimes just find it really off-putting.

Well acually am an Egyptian male )

Metallica, are you a western woman tourist? Because if you're not, you won't understand the hassle you sometimes have to put up with. And I'm lucky, I don't get too much of it because I'm always with my husband, but I know some women who just wouldn't go back to Egypt because of it.

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I think you have said most of them... it made me laugh to see them on here. The men who use these are funny aren't they!! You can't take them seriously, but sometimes they brighten up your day... especially when you're in a bad mood and you hear a voice saying "i have what you want" and "in your eyes i see my life"

Some more i can think of now:

you have broken my heart
I will never be able to forget you

Debbie and Shareen may find this one funny - it's a Luxor exclusive i think

Can i take you to the Mosque!!!!![/B][/QUOTE]

That what i can call it silly joke

I believed a certain person on my first trip a Nile Cruise when he told me I was attractive and nice etc ... which is true, I was and I still am. But later on, I walked by this person and I heard him spouting out the same flannel, in the same sincere fashion, word for word to someone old enough to be my grandmother.

Then I realised then it's in their nature to say these things to all tourists, part of their customer services training and we should take it for the good natured humour that it is.

As long as you're not sucked in by it and don't part with anything - money, sponsor a visa, bodily fluid of any kind, it should be treated as fun.

Oh my eyes, I forgot, but he was correct when he said I had beautiful eyes, I have one blue and one green eye which is a bit different (if I could ever bring myself to use contact lenses, I'd have transluscent pale blue ones or maybe pink).

I wonder if there is a charm school in Luxor who also have a branch in Hurghada where these would be gigolos go to learn their prize winning patter (verbal charm).

On a serious note, I have befriended other female tourists on holidays and we all meet up and breakfast and later for lunch and chat, you know the kind of thing.

On one occasion (my 4th trip) 2 lovely English women were really upset, their egyptian boyfriends had phoned them at the hotel and cancelled their date for that night, the excuse to the first woman was that his mother had been rushed into hospital and he can't see her the rest of the week, the excuse given to the other woman was exactly the same.

This made me think, 2 women, 2 guys who happened to have same name and identical excuses. These women were so distressed, they had taken time off work and spent a lot of money to visit their boyfriend, looked forward to it for months and it turns out he'll be at the hospital all week as he was the eldest son and it was his duty (another co-incidence, both boyfriends same name, both the eldest, sick mother in hospital).

I sat there and thought to myself "am I the only person that can see through these shallow excuses, and what if they both have the same boyfriend".

I saw the women throughout that week still very upset and on the last day before we all went to airport, neither of them had heard again from their egyptian boyfriend(s).

I know this is only 2 people in the whole of Egypt acting like this, it's not exclusive to Egypt.

I have seen/heard of similar experiences happening to women and it is very disappointing and sad.

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Originally posted by wise_woman:
This has probably been done before but here goes -

You're so different from all the other tourists.

I feel ashamed to ask you but I need the money to pay for my grandmother's operation.

I cannot see you as my mother is very ill (on this first day of your week in Luxor that you have dared to surprise me).

You are my princess.

You are the most beautiful woman I have ever seen.

Oh my God I am in love with you.

I have never loved another woman before.

You are my first love.

Egyptian women do not interest me.

I am sorry I did not phone you for 4 months, business is not good and I had to money to phone you.

I lost your telephone number.

My house telephone is broken and we cannot hear it ring.

My mobile is broken.

Age is only a number.

I am different from Egyptian men.

All the fingers on my hands are different, look, the same as I am different from Egyptian men.

I am a virgin.

I have never kissed another woman.

I respect you and your religion.

I think God wants us to be together.

An orfi marriage is 100% good, costs LE800 but it is worth it.

Do not write to me at home address, write to me at my brother's shop.

I have told all my family about you and they are happy we get married.

Meet my sister and mother (really wife and mother in law).

Come on everyone, tack one onto the end of this posting. It doesn't need to be from your personal experience, you could have heard a boy say it to an old dear passing by on the corniche. You know how it goes.

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Originally posted by moshko:
I WONDER WHY WOMEN ON THIS SITE MOSTLY MEET WITH THE LOWEST CLASS OF EGYPTIANS NOT OTHER...I KEEP READING ALL THESE NON SENSE ABOUT EGYPTIAN MEN...IS THAT BECAUSE THE QUALITY OF WOMEN WHO COMPLAIN HERE DON'T MATCH BETTER CLASSES OF EGYPTIAN MEN MAY BE...lol

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Originally posted by mmetallica:
Debbie and Shareen may find this one funny - it's a Luxor exclusive i think

Can i take you to the Mosque!!!!!

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That what i can call it silly joke

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Originally posted by moshko:
I WONDER WHY WOMEN ON THIS SITE MOSTLY MEET WITH THE LOWEST CLASS OF EGYPTIANS NOT OTHER...I KEEP READING ALL THESE NON SENSE ABOUT EGYPTIAN MEN...IS THAT BECAUSE THE QUALITY OF WOMEN WHO COMPLAIN HERE DON'T MATCH BETTER CLASSES OF EGYPTIAN MEN MAY BE...lol

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Mosko, that was a fairly rude thing to say about the women that meet these men. You should mind your manners.

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Originally posted by Debbie:
Mosko, that was a fairly rude thing to say about the women that meet these men. You should mind your manners.

You and I both know that the reason they are meeting this kind of low-life Egyptian is because it is mostly low class Egyptians that take jobs at the resorts like this. A respectable, employable Egyptian man would be 90% more likely find good work in Cairo or in his home town. It is not because it is going to be an adventure, or for the wild times, or even for the foreign women that these men accept jobs in Hurghada or Sharm el Sheikh, at first, anyway. It is for the MONEY that the hotels and resorts promise them. The foreign babes and whatnot come as a bonus for those that go that way later. Like I said, in general these guys living out in Hurghada or Sharm are completely UNEMPLOYABLE at home. If they want to make money they have to move to these areas.
I doubt you will disagree with that. Now, look at where are the women going? Duh! Hurghada and Sharm. And they are ONLY here on holiday which, by some quirk in fate, is exactly the area these men work in. How do you suppose it is that these women meet these men then? Hmmmm? Think about it. There are many many many respectable Egyptian men with decent jobs out of the tourism industry, but the average tourist isn't going to meet them, is she? I think the "class" of the women and the "class" of the men have very little to do with each other. It's just a matter of circumstances... and a western world that isn't sooooo hung up on the class system. Most western women don't judge a man by his job the same way Egyptians do. In fact, many of us are just happy if he's employed. LOL

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Originally posted by moshko:
... and by the way good jobs don't make good class men...it takes way more than that!!!

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I never asked if you went to the mosque on that night you scared me half to death! And you came back clutching Cleopatras.... was that a smoke screen??

I did however, manage to get a confession out of him about Susie.... he finally admitted it. Bless!!

And to add to Wise Woman's list, how about..

Gigolo: I love you and want to be with you.

Response: But I dont want to live in Egypt

Gigolo: Then I will have to live with you in UK

Response: No way!! I do not want you there!!

Gigolo: I will get visa and surprise you one day, and knock on your door

Response: And I will surprise you by closing the door in your face!

And the classic in my eyes....

You were in my dreams last night, do you want an egyptian husband?

(I often wonder if they were having a nightmare)

Where did you post it?

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Originally posted by Shareen:
Nefertiti!!

I never asked if you went to the mosque on that night you scared me half to death! And you came back clutching Cleopatras.... was that a smoke screen??

I did however, manage to get a confession out of him about Susie.... he finally admitted it. Bless!!

And to add to Wise Woman's list, how about..

Gigolo: I love you and want to be with you.

Response: But I dont want to live in Egypt

Gigolo: Then I will have to live with you in UK

Response: No way!! I do not want you there!!

Gigolo: I will get visa and surprise you one day, and knock on your door

Response: And I will surprise you by closing the door in your face!

And the classic in my eyes....

You were in my dreams last night, do you want an egyptian husband?

(I often wonder if they were having a nightmare)

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Shareen

I only just saw this post!! Wow he admitted that he was married to Susie!! Oh damn that means our date to the Mosque will be cancelled and i was so looking forward to it

No way did i go to meet him that night! Lol, i promise i really did just go to the net cafe and to get the fags. Lol, what a disgusting thought.... sneaking off to meet him Rofl do you think he would have taken me to his felluca for a Midnight sail!! Urgghhh

And Shareen that conversation must have been with a real classy Gigolo, it sounds so original... Awwww

Another saying.... "do you want to rock my boat"

(This bit is very funny )

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Originally posted by Shareen:

Gigolo: I will get visa and surprise you one day, and knock on your door

Response: And I will surprise you by closing the door in your face!

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DO YOU THINK YOU COULD COME UPSTAIRS TO FIX MY CLOSET???...IT'S A LITTLE OFF...

ARE YOU MARRIED?

I DON'T KNOW EGYPT MUCH, COULD YOU COME TONIGHT AND SHOW ME AROUND THE BEDROOM???

WOMEN ...PLEASE ...CHILL OUT...YOU'RE TOO MUCH!!!

YOUR CLAIMS COULD'T BE TRUE IF YOU WEREN'T A LITTLE HORNY ON EGYPTIAN GUYS AS WELL.

I don't think this topic was made to offend Egyptians. I think wise just started it for fun.

This is an innocent topic, not slagging off Egyptian men for once I think you need to focus on the playboy and warning to western women threads if you want to see attacks on Egyptians.

Yes some women are hot for Egyptian men, but there are some that are not... the sad fact is that as a tourist unless you lock yourself in your hotel room for your stay you will not be able to escape these sayings! The only way to escape otherwise is to continuously curse them for your whole holiday.... if a woman ends up having to do this i think she will not return to Egypt and will advise others to stay away! And anyway who wants to spend their holiday doing that?!

I'm sorry but it works both ways... these sayings are not made up... they are used year after year and if it makes some women happy and makes then keep coming back to spend money in Egypt, why should you complain!!?? If i'm not mistaken isn't Tourism important for Egypt?

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Originally posted by Fox:
The topic should be what men say to women and vice versa. I don't see how this applies only to Egyptian men. I've already responded to the playboy post (its all about russian dancers who come to Egypt to make money, some of them dance and some of them prostitute themselves so how the hell do they expect to be treated). I'm not defending anyone. I just don't like the generalizing. The word typical should be used with caution. How the hell can a tourist staying in Sharm or Hurghada for a week or two know what a typical Egyptian man or woman is like? Sharm and Hurghada are resorts. Men and women from all over the world go there to have fun (each in his or her own way).

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First of all, would you PLEASE not assume EVERYONE goes to these places to do things they would not tell their mother about?

Second, unless the tourist has been locked in her room all her life until departure to Egypt, surely she must have been sweet-talked once or twice in her life, even more so if she is old?

It's not possible that there are so many NAIVE (hope you appreciate the diplomacy) women travellers. You must be making this up.

Last but not least, it is simply not true that women are absolutely assaulted on the streets and not able to move for proposals from gigolos. Surely men would shout some invitation at you but no one really hopes you will stop and chat.

I went to Sharm because my friend who went to Hurghada told me Hurghada is dirty and she and her fiance had indigestion half of the time. She never said anything about playboys, but then she was with her fiance and probably did not even notice. I went with friends (men included) and while I received compliments, it was entirely possible to ask the guys to leave me alone and they did as I asked.

There was one old tourist lady in the hotel who slept (or tried to sleep) with one of the guys. I know it because she told me. She was harrassed into leaving by all male staff after that. But she knew what she was doing.

Whoever complains about Egyptian playboys - there are the following possibilities:

1. You are making this up to get attention or for a joke - fine if kept light and humorous;

2. You wish there would be a sexy hot-blooded male harrassing you you're in the wrong place cuz the guys are on the streets, not reading these posts;

3. You were actually THAT naive and someone duped you into parting with money / having sex / investing resources. Do you really wish to punish yourself further by exposing your lack of good judgement to the general public?

C'mon lighten up, Egypt is a great place, otherwise why would we all go there?

Lori

"You are the most beautiful girl I've ever seen."

"AWE!!!!"

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Originally posted by Lori:
2. You wish there would be a sexy hot-blooded male harrassing you you're in the wrong place cuz the guys are on the streets, not reading these posts;

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Ouch. So just because I'm a little more intelligent than my hot blooded Egyptian cousins it suddenly means I don't have any game? As my friend would say, "Girl, yous trippin."

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Originally posted by Lori:
This topic MUST have been put here for fun.

First of all, would you PLEASE not assume EVERYONE goes to these places to do things they would not tell their mother about?

Second, unless the tourist has been locked in her room all her life until departure to Egypt, surely she must have been sweet-talked once or twice in her life, even more so if she is old?

It's not possible that there are so many NAIVE (hope you appreciate the diplomacy) women travellers. You must be making this up.

Last but not least, it is simply not true that women are absolutely assaulted on the streets and not able to move for proposals from gigolos. Surely men would shout some invitation at you but no one really hopes you will stop and chat.

I went to Sharm because my friend who went to Hurghada told me Hurghada is dirty and she and her fiance had indigestion half of the time. She never said anything about playboys, but then she was with her fiance and probably did not even notice. I went with friends (men included) and while I received compliments, it was entirely possible to ask the guys to leave me alone and they did as I asked.

There was one old tourist lady in the hotel who slept (or tried to sleep) with one of the guys. I know it because she told me. She was harrassed into leaving by all male staff after that. But she knew what she was doing.

Whoever complains about Egyptian playboys - there are the following possibilities:

1. You are making this up to get attention or for a joke - fine if kept light and humorous;

2. You wish there would be a sexy hot-blooded male harrassing you you're in the wrong place cuz the guys are on the streets, not reading these posts;

3. You were actually THAT naive and someone duped you into parting with money / having sex / investing resources. Do you really wish to punish yourself further by exposing your lack of good judgement to the general public?

C'mon lighten up, Egypt is a great place, otherwise why would we all go there?

Lori

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I feel ashamed to ask you but I need the money to pay for my grandmother's operation.
(he steals you in kindly way)

I cannot see you as my mother is very ill (on this first day of your week in Luxor that you have dared to surprise me).

You are my princess.(he cheats you )

You are the most beautiful woman I have ever seen.(he is a big lier, he must)

Oh my God I am in love with you.(may be he did)

I have never loved another woman before.(don't believe him)

You are my first love.
(yes but the first one at this day)
Egyptian women do not interest me.(may be)

I am sorry I did not phone you for 4 months, business is not good and I had to money to phone you.
(he will ask you for money)
I lost your telephone number.
(may be)
My house telephone is broken and we cannot hear it ring.(you discomfot him)

My mobile is broken.(he will leave you to another fool one)

Age is only a number.(he is a big lier)

I am different from Egyptian men.(of course0

All the fingers on my hands are different, look, the same as I am different from Egyptian men.(of course )

I am a virgin.

I have never kissed another woman.(he want to kiss you ,lool)

I respect you and your religion.(????)

I think God wants us to be together.

An orfi marriage is 100% good, costs LE800 but it is worth it.

Do not write to me at home address, write to me at my brother's shop.(he don;t want to knoe you any moor)

I have told all my family about you and they are happy we get married.(oh hahah heheh ho
hoho haahaha)
Meet my sister and mother (really wife and mother in law).

Come on everyone, tack one onto the end of this posting. It doesn't need to be from your personal experience, you could have heard a boy say it to an old dear passing by on the corniche. You know how it goes.[/B][/QUOTE]
this the dialoge for new movie
called wise women broken harts

We should all learn and share information and funny stories on these boards.

I've never been to Hurghada or Sharm, I've only heard about Russian tourists recently on these boards. I never knew Russians visited Egypt so much. I've never met one.

Maybe 40 years from now if I'm widowed or in an unhappy marriage, I might visit Egypt in the hope of being flattered by a young gigolo. In the meantime, I find it amusing and annoying rolled into one.

I hope no-one has misunderstood my original posting - I do love Egypt. I love everything, well nearly everything about Egypt. If I didn't, I wouldn't be going with my fiance on a Nile Cruise later this year to celebrate my birthday. This will be my 12th trip and I can't wait to go.

I'm sure if I was a regular visitor to Tunisia, I would type a similar posting.

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Originally posted by wise_woman:
hey, wouldn't it just make a great film.
But it wouldn't be a film about me or my experiences, that would only last 2 minutes.

We should all learn and share information and funny stories on these boards.

I've never been to Hurghada or Sharm, I've only heard about Russian tourists recently on these boards. I never knew Russians visited Egypt so much. I've never met one.

Maybe 40 years from now if I'm widowed or in an unhappy marriage, I might visit Egypt in the hope of being flattered by a young gigolo. In the meantime, I find it amusing and annoying rolled into one.

I hope no-one has misunderstood my original posting - I do love Egypt. I love everything, well nearly everything about Egypt. If I didn't, I wouldn't be going with my fiance on a Nile Cruise later this year to celebrate my birthday. This will be my 12th trip and I can't wait to go.

I'm sure if I was a regular visitor to Tunisia, I would type a similar posting.

[This message has been edited by wise_woman (edited 30 September 2003).]

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Originally posted by moshko:
I WONDER WHY WOMEN ON THIS SITE MOSTLY MEET WITH THE LOWEST CLASS OF EGYPTIANS NOT OTHER...I KEEP READING ALL THESE NON SENSE ABOUT EGYPTIAN MEN...IS THAT BECAUSE THE QUALITY OF WOMEN WHO COMPLAIN HERE DON'T MATCH BETTER CLASSES OF EGYPTIAN MEN MAY BE...lol

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OK, Moshko, here you are my story:
First time in Egypt, Sharm El-Sheikh, Hotel.
I met this man in a hotel i've been staying to, he is from Cairo, my age, and he came to have a rest, he has a dual citizenship (Spanish and Egyptian (i saw both passports)), his family MATCHS HIGH CLASS and known in Cairo (this info i got when i came back from my trip cuz i was wondered whether he tells me true or not).
Allora, we've spent some time together but nothing out of limits (i mean kisses, hugs, not talking about sex).
Before leaving we exchanged our e-mail addresses and after all started to write to each other.
Literally, in one week, i began to recieve such kind of e-mails: (sorry for posting)

"hello XXX, i miss u so much, i didnt know that i'll miss u badly like this, i was crazy about u.. looking for u on the net but never found my sweet, i felt so bad, was in a bad mood..
i'm crazy about u, everyday more than before, even every hour..... i miss u a
lotttttttttttttttttttt.. i misssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss uuu"

or this kind:

".. u r so sweet, and i want to say more and more words to u, u deserve every thing i can do to u, and i think words arent enough for u.. u became a dream of years to me.. and u r a real angel, that is flying far away and iam waiting u to come and make me fly with u anyway, away alone me and u only..u became a hope for me.." ETC.

"hello XXX, i miss u so much, i didnt know that i'll miss u badly like this, i was crazy about u.. looking for u on the net but never found my sweet, i felt so bad, was in a bad mood..
i'm crazy about u, everyday more than before, even every hour..... i miss u a
lotttttttttttttttttttt.. i misssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss uuu"

or this kind:

".. u r so sweet, and i want to say more and more words to u, u deserve every thing i can do to u, and i think words arent enough for u.. u became a dream of years to me.. and u r a real angel, that is flying far away and iam waiting u to come and make me fly with u anyway, away alone me and u only..u became a hope for me.." ETC.

I don't know may be he was honest in his feelings to me but it seems that it was just a game but why so many SO FANTASTIC WORDS?[/B][/QUOTE]

Jamilah, this is PRIVATE STUFF, why do you post this for all to see???

Yes it's a bit of bad taste here, plus it's unspecific - this messsage could be sent to 100 women. Was it addressed to you only or was the address hidden (meaning he could send it to 100 women and you would never know)

Well I don't know your age, maybe for someone very young this is no big deal. Anyway, these messages speak of his LUST for you, not about love, so don't put too much weight on them.

Good luck in finding the right one for you!

Lori

Yes it's a bit of bad taste here, plus it's unspecific - this messsage could be sent to 100 women. Was it addressed to you only or was the address hidden (meaning he could send it to 100 women and you would never know)

Well I don't know your age, maybe for someone very young this is no big deal. Anyway, these messages speak of his LUST for you, not about love, so don't put too much weight on them.

Good luck in finding the right one for you!

Lori"

The thing is that my friend got something like the same.. that's why... Come on Lori don't judge me strong Like it's been told here we can meet such guys everywhere in the world
I wanted to tell that not only low class can tell such words!

Regards