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Ironborn
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you think your way i will think mine, look at all the stuff said on this website. if american men were so great then why all the american women running off with foreigners?

Where are all these American women you're speaking of?

Are you truly that naive, to think that the small pittance of American women you see posting on forums like E.S represent the majority of American women?

Do you think American men in their sum really even care whether American women like you (that had bad relationships with their ex-husbands/boyfriends) go and run off with some guy from a developing nation?

You really are thick if you think this is true.

The amount of American women that marry Egyptians is considerably less than 1%.. The amount of American women that marry foreigners in general is probably 5% or so.

However, the amount of American MEN that marry foreign women is greater than the amount of American women that marry foreign men.

American men are marrying women from other countries in far greater numbers; especially the far East Asian and East European countries.

So using your twisted logic, what does this say about American women?

~Alistair

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quote:
Originally posted by PeaceAtLast:
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Originally posted by Om Leito:
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Originally posted by MICKY A:
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Originally posted by PeaceAtLast:
oh i hear it all the time from my parents, 'why dont you find an AEMRICAN man?'. my response, "american men smell, got no class, they are very lazy and stupid, they whine like women, they need viagra, plus i am not attracted to any of them." you can pass the hottest young man with nice eyes and a tan and i wont look at him twice. pass a tall dark and handsome with groove and an accent, ya im tappin that.
if it were not for Middle Eastern men, I think I might be a lesbian. loooool!

[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] my son and brothers never stunk and they have alot of class never stupid or lazy and dont whine at all . so it isnt all american men thank you [Eek!] [Eek!] [Roll Eyes]
....maybe her father stunk [Roll Eyes]
and maybe your mother talks like she is a big hott mess of an asshole just like you.
BTW>>>my father is long gone:)

If your father is gone,then your mother and the rest of your American or whatever nationality your family is,really stinks,woman. [Roll Eyes]
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quote:
Originally posted by PeaceAtLast:
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Originally posted by Om Leito:
<american men smell, got no class, they are very lazy and stupid, they whine like women, they need viagra>


[Roll Eyes] [Confused]

Woman....you can find a fair share of this in every country and culture.Stop generalizing.

you think your way i will think mine, look at all the stuff said on this website. if american men were so great then why all the american women running off with foreigners?
Very small-minded indeed. You say that as if just because some of us married Egyptian men and not American that it was our way of rejecting American men particularly.
We also did not marry British, Mexican, Chinese, Puerto Rican, South African, Canadian, Icelandic, French, Korean, (should I go on?). I guess you would conclude that we should 'stick to our own'? [Roll Eyes]

Many of us have American brothers, uncles, fathers, cousins, friends, grandfathers, etc. If you are American and trashing on the American men like this in your desperate need to validate to yourself and others why you choose an Egyptian man, well let me be the first to break it to you:
YOU DID IT FOR THE WRONG REASONS.
You are rationalizing your reasons and you are being disrespectful to the man you are either married to or involved with in asserting that you are with him because you are rejecting American men. If he buys it then he is as small-minded as you are making yourself out to be.
My guess is that most American men would reject you first, they aren't stupid and are certainly keen enough to spot a lame duck when they see one. [Roll Eyes]

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<My guess is that most American men would reject you first, they aren't stupid and are certainly keen enough to spot a lame duck when they see one.>

You go,Smuckers! [Big Grin]

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i dont hate american men i prefer egyptian men not just any arab!
my son is white he is the cleaniest good smellin man i know lol
so no not all men stink just the ones that does not take a shaower!
so can u pla rephrase that statement.
i think personally egyptian men have an orra about them their dark eyes heavy accent
black hair alot of qualities i personally prefer and an american man has not theses qualities at least the ones i have met!!

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I am married to an Egyptian man, it is both our second marriage, his first was to his cousin. He had to marry her due to family pressures and was married 14 years and has 4 children, I have one. He doesn't live in Egypt anymore, most of his family lives in different countries. We married in his homeland in Egypt, since he still loves his country. My husband is awesome, but not so romantic. I know he loves me, but he is very serious. He has lived in America before and is working now in Kuwait, he teaches English. He will now come back to America, and we will live here. I think you have to do what you feel is right, not all Egyptian men are scammers, there are good men out there. Just remember if he ask you for money, than I would see red flags. Just be careful and follow your heart. No matter what you do someone will find something wrong with it, something I learned a long time ago.
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< think personally egyptian men have an orra about them their dark eyes>

This is so true [Wink]

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i guess i am drawn to your website because this is all so new to me. i have been learning alot about the islamic faith. it seems to be a very good thing with strong marriage beliefs. i have been getting to know him and his family including his sisters and father and they are very accepting of me. i am learining about life there. i am going for a visit to learn what its like. if i were to go i would live with him after we marry he owns his own home. i just feel i guess like a little fish in a big pond there is so much i have t learn and sort out. i guess i just wanted some moral support as you know some people arent very accepting of the fact i want to be with him.
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Hey Dohasgirl

you probably heard this before, but plz visit Egypt first before you take a big decision to move there and having the cultural shock together with marriage stress, it can be very disturbing to some people. My gf told me Egypt is no place for her to live, except for holidays, i respect it and we both plan it this way from the beginning.

That said, now have fun when you visit Egypt and good luck with your man and trust me no body can guarantee you a relationship, weather with American, Egyptian or whatever, it is your life to experience and judge.

Ciao

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thank you for your advice. i am planning to visit to see how things are there. i have already told him that if its not a place i could be happy i wont live there. right now is just a getting to know each other phase and his family as well. i am under no misconception that egypt is perfect nor are either of us. i just care for him very much and want to make sure we decide where we are going together and how we are going to spend our future. i just hate negativity from people who judge by skin and religion and not whats in a persons heart.
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dohasgirl you will come up against a lot of negativity on this site in respect of western women who enter into a relationship with Egyptian men, don't misunderstand this it is not about skin and religion! You must understand there are a lot of women out there who have been scammed by Egyptian men and unfotunatelly this has an impact upon what people will say to you in respect of your situation. I am English and have an Egyptian fiancee, he is the kindest, most honest and caring man i have ever met but i have had a lot of negativity in respect of my relationship also. Only you can know if your man is genuine as it is only you who knows this man. People on ES are just trying to bring you a view that is not coloured by emotion and allow you to look at things from all sides. The only advice i can bring you is honesty - don't try to conform to his demands because you assume it is culture and you must accept this. If he loves you he will discuss things with you and try to reach a compromise that you can both live with. Just be yourself and if you are unhappy about something do not think i cannot tell him this as i will offend his culture/religion, tell him and try to understand his opinions as well as trying to make him understand yours. Anyway i wish you the best of luck in your relationship, i hope everything turns out well for you and remember it is good to listen to your heart but don't forget to listen to your head at the same time. [Smile]
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thank you for that advice. i am naturally a very strong and opinated woman and i know he is a strong willed man. so that alone is a reason to clash lol. i am going into this with open eyes and if something doesnt seem right or doesnt sit well with me i will defintely talk with him about it. i wont sit back and let him control. its about a partnership.
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thank you for that advice. i am naturally a very strong and opinated woman and i know he is a strong willed man. so that alone is a reason to clash lol. i am going into this with open eyes and if something doesnt seem right or doesnt sit well with me i will defintely talk with him about it. i wont sit back and let him control. its about a partnership.
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I think you have the foundations of a good relationship in that you see it as a partnership. I like you am a strong woman and my man tends to bring me advice and then say 'do as you will' and i usually do! Afterwards i usually end up telling him 'habeeby you were right and i was wrong'. He always says 'one day you will listen and i will wait for this day, i know you are a strong woman and this is one of the things i love about you'. Unfortunatelly i think that i have been trying to prove a point - that he is not in control of me! I think now i can stop this as after 10 months i have began to realise he is not trying to be in control he is just trying to be part of my life. I am due to marry him in February so now is the time to let him be part of my life. I love and respect this man more than i have ever respected anybody so now i am looking forward to our future [Smile]
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yes this sounds so familiar lol he says to me aslo do as you wish or as you like. of course i will always do what i feel is in best interest of us together he is a good man and he knows i have strong head and heart. he told me from day one the love was not about my looks or background but about my heart and soul.
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I have struggled to understand that to Egyptian men the beauty of a woman is often from within... I am used to Western men who are quite shallow and will often want some eye candy on their arm... [Frown]
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quote:
Originally posted by Habeeby:
I have struggled to understand that to Egyptian men the beauty of a woman is often from within... I am used to Western men who are quite shallow and will often want some eye candy on their arm... [Frown]

Yeah, a 25yr old Egyptian man with a 57yr old Western woman on his arm is with her because he's able to see her beauty within. [Big Grin]

You, and so many other Western women on this site are so utterly naive and gullible that I actually feel embarassed for you..

~Alistair

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i am only four years in age from him hes 35 and im 39. i wouldnt even think of having a relationship with a boy in his twenties. i am not that stupid or naive.
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Come on Alistair that is extreme! nobody is that naive to think that a 25 year old with a 57 year old is anything other than financial gain! I would not kno3 because my man is younger than me on his birth certificate by 5 years but probably about 15 years older than me in the head. All i say to that is thank god one of us is adult....
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quote:
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Come on Alistair that is extreme! nobody is that naive to think that a 25 year old with a 57 year old is anything other than financial gain! I would not kno3 because my man is younger than me on his birth certificate by 5 years but probably about 15 years older than me in the head. All i say to that is thank god one of us is adult....

My point Habeeby, was to show you that Egyptian men can be just as shallow as Western men, and are not beyond using a woman for either money, visas or sex.

Your previous post insinuated that Egyptian men are more able to look beyond a woman's exterior form than Western men, which is just B.S..

It's natural for heterosexual men in general to desire women that are physically attractive moreso than women that are average or unattractive.

In this respect, Egyptian men are no different from Western men..

No doubt, you're buying into the Egyptian male propaganda [Razz]

~Alistair

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also i know that he doesnt want my money because i have none, and i he isnt after a visa he loves egypt and has no desire to leave whatsoever. sorry in your cynical heart you dont believe people from two cultures can find love together.
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Lol I love all of you on ES. [Big Grin]
I agree with Alistiar, Egyptian men are just as visually attracted to women as Western men.
I don't know where you get your opinions from Habeeby, men are men are men are men are MEN.

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i agree with that too lol i asked hm last night if i had weighed 350 lbs or been ugly would he still love me. i am not stupid i know physical has a lot to do with relationships especially in beginning when first impressions are everything. if there is no attraction between people how will a relationship last if you are in in for the long term the physical aspect is important as well. but there is so much more there than just that. as far as the money thng is concerned i am ashamed to say i have none im a poor girl but he has loaned to me on my word alone to help me. hes a good man with a good heart. he trusts me and respects me and thats all i can ask for in a man. i didnt set out to fall in love with anyone from anyone especially not a foreign man. that was fartherest thing from my mind. it happened when i least expected it too and i fought it in the beginning but im not sorry i met him. hes the best thing to happen to me in a long time. and even though i had my reservations in the beginning and i am still keeping totally open mind, im not stupid we have so many cultural and life differences. i love him deeply and will do whats in best interest of us and this relationship as long as we both happy and fulfilled together as partners.
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quote:
Originally posted by welsafty:
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Originally posted by carolina9:
Ladies,

can i get your feedback? I am a 22yo university student dating an Egyptian man here in the states. Daily, i feel as if i have to deal with so much prejudice and FEAR from both my friends and family when it comes to our relationship.
For example: a few of my frieds are very open to him & happy that we are in love. but one of my closest friends wants nothing to do with him and regards him with suspicion and unease. she constantly makes negative remarks about him, no matter what sweet thing he does for me. i don't even want to bring his name up anymore for fear of what she will say.
My family: they are nice to him but they hope the relationship is not serious. i know they hope he'll move back to Egypt soon and we'll have to break up. I've tried talking to them about this but they just won't warm up to him.
What I want to know is- has anyone else enountered this? how do we, as white western women, date "colored" men of different backgrounds w/out feeling alienated by our own societies? are my friends and family just racist? has anyone else felt as frustrated as I have? how can i make my friends and my beloved family accept Esam just as I have?

COLORED??????,please someone stop me before I sharpen my teath and give her my honest openion.
here is alittle worm up, LEAVE HIM, you would be doing him a favor.

give me a break, apparently you missed the fact that she put the term in quotes.

Blacks used to use this term, then it became wrong. Then they used Negro, then they decided that was wrong. Then "Black" was wrong. Now its "African American."

Work on the real issues rather than getting hung up on semantics. Black womens magazines/products regularly say "for women of color," if anything, that in itself is racist. If they have color, what are we? Colorless? Clear?

Is there a difference between saying "colored" and "of color"? Do tell.

Wake up people and stop being so politically correct/ holier-than-thou.

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quote:
Originally posted by welsafty:
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Originally posted by sonomod:

GWB decided to yeild to the Saudi camel humpers royals and rage war on Shite nations to finally get the unbelievers to bow down and worship the Saudi Royals as God.

GWB Øæíá ÇáÚãÑ, íØæá ÚãÑÉ, íÒåÒÉ ÚÕÑÉ, íäÕÑÉ Úáì ãíä íÚÇÏíÜÜÜÉ , åÇÇÇÇÇí åííííÆ
by the way, GWB looks like a camel, I wonder why did he go to the camel humpers and invite them into his private ranch in Texas ???

I am just wondering, where you get all this garbage from??


Oh I forgot, you live in a perfect world, and everything you touch is heaven, just everything else is below your highnass

What are you attacking people for? Do you understand English? She was explaining what happend on 9/11 and why Bush wasnt more severe on the Saudis when most of the hijackers were Saudis. Whats wrong with telling the truth?

Or are you an apologist for the Saudis? Do you know nothing better to do with your time than cause problems where there are none?

Laa ilaha illa Allah.

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quote:
Originally posted by waelredsea:
Alana you say Maybe we will see "Hillary Clinton" in power here one day, a lot of people here are hoping for that.

not in usa only, all the people in the world want bush to go, you see what he did, he destroy the world totally, and he still want to make war with iran, korea and syria.

why he is doing all thissssss...??
and something fun, he want syria to get out of lebanon and he is still in the iraq, as if iraq was the land of his father.

I think Hillary clinton will be better than him.

God save us from Hillary. She once referred to the Iraqis as "those people"...if "those people" dont appreciate democracy (then screw them).

Thats basically what she said.

Wake up, theyre all the same. Biden and Ron paul and Kucinich are some of the only people not beholden to Israel's lobby or drug companies.

Dont let the media decide for you in advance that Clinton/Obama are your only options. Many people are voting for them because of the urge to make history by electing the first Black/the first woman, etc.

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I am sick of Iraqi scum like most Americans.
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