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Hi. I am an Indian woman who is in love with an Egyptian Copt residing in Egypt. I met him 6 months ago on the net and we have remained in touch over net/phone.I am currently married, which fact i did not reveal to him (cos i did not know this relationship would go this far). My boyfried wanted desparately to marry me. I have recently told him about my being married. He says he still loves me forever but that he cannot marry me because it would be a second marriage for me. He wants me to live with him as his 'wife of the heart'.
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You cannot marry a copt when you have been married in church before. But that will go with the official churches and ministers. Not in say a house-service with relatives and a not-licensed preacher. Better not talk of em at all. If you just married in cityhall it does not count. But then you can marry you're copt in cityhall and not in church either. Or indeed not marry at all.
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Polly_k you cannot marry while you are STILL MARRIED!But I don't see any reason why you couldn't marry a copt when you get divorce.
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quote:Originally posted by polly_k: Hi Demiana & Marcella,
Thanks for your inputs...
My current marriage was in India, by Hindu law and the civil law in India. It will be divorced there too, if i get a divorce.
Does the Coptic Church in Egypt accept a Divorce from another country/religion ? In Egypt is important... cos thats where he lives.
also, i do intend to get a divorce if i intend to marry this guy.... just checking the facts and posibilibities first.
Any updates..?
I only know that muslim men can't marry for some unknown reason people like you(Hindu and people with some other religion)but they can marry Jewess and Christian. About Egytpian Copt...I think there is nothing like that,did you ask your boyfriend?I think he will know.
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If you want permission to marry in church you should ask permission from a special officer in international affairs the coptic orthodox church installed some years ago to prevent Egyptian Orthodox divorcees to marry again in a separate country/place from their first marriage.
I don't know if the coptic orthodox church does see a Hindu-marriage as a marriage in church/heaven. There are several options. You could change religion and get baptized. You will find out. It is a way to get all you're sins absolved. But since this is a matter of the church you can only obtain an official answer.
You can try to compare you're situation to someone else, but the church may rule differently in you're case since there is not a lot of jurisdiction on this. If you have a friendly priest and he is convinced that the two of you are sincere they may even bend the rules somewhat so you fit the profile.
I know of a woman in my church that was married before with children, but she got baptized and married within the church. Every situation is different.
I would say that it is not at all impossible upfront.
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ': Polly, you want to divorce the husband for a man you never met?
.. and how can you live with him as his 'wife of the heart' - what is he talking about?
er... just read this post... i cant be bothered to read the whole thread...
if thats true, your a fool...
and i guess wife of the heart means your divorcing your husband to be a co-wife.
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Copts don't have co-wives..or do they? I don't think Christians can have more than one. Unless a mistress can be called a co-wife. At any rate...why would you leave your hubby for a man you never met in person? Posts: 2735 | From: my desk | Registered: Jul 2005
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The first thing if ur not christian then you won't be able to get married with this guy in the church. And for copts if you don't have marriage in the church it's almost the same as ur not married at all. The second thing even if you are christian most likely you will have to be baptised again in coptic church (i'm protestant and they told me here that in order to be married in coptic church i have to be baptised in it). Talking about divorce with another man - it could be a huge problem here. Because copts indeed are allowed to marry only once but actually when u bring documents for marriage u need to bring only the paper that you are not married.
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You want to divorce your husband to be a misstress , the Coptic church considers the second marriage' for man or woman,as adultry. You will be like ra'aset ala elsellim Posts: 90 | Registered: Mar 2006
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quote:Originally posted by ihthus: The first thing if ur not christian then you won't be able to get married with this guy in the church. And for copts if you don't have marriage in the church it's almost the same as ur not married at all. The second thing even if you are christian most likely you will have to be baptised again in coptic church (i'm protestant and they told me here that in order to be married in coptic church i have to be baptised in it). Talking about divorce with another man - it could be a huge problem here. Because copts indeed are allowed to marry only once but actually when u bring documents for marriage u need to bring only the paper that you are not married.
This is not true,christian doesn't need to marry in the church.Just if he wants to.Also it is not like before,christian can marry how many times he wants to.
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Aren't you jumping the gun a bit??? For goodness sake girl, at least meet him face to face and see if you even LIKE him before you talk about big decisions like marriage!!! Use your brains, not your hormones!!!
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quote:Originally posted by Marcella: This is not true,christian doesn't need to marry in the church.Just if he wants to.Also it is not like before,christian can marry how many times he wants to.
You probably never lived among copts in Egypt!!! I do live among them for a 3 years already. Everyone who is serious about his marriage will get married in the church and the paper for the marriage in Egypt are given only once!!! If you are married in Egypt than it's almost impossible to get divorced. If christian is making orfi and later on make it legal through the court it means that he wants to be able to get divorce in case something goes wrong and it means he is not very serious about his marriage.
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Copt means christian.So all Copts are christians and christians can marry in the church but it is not necessary.They do it if they want to but most of times they're going also make it to the court.Bible says that you are marrying forever but they're divorcing and getting married again.
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quote:Originally posted by Marcella: Copt means christian.So all Copts are christians and christians can marry in the church but it is not necessary.They do it if they want to but most of times they're going also make it to the court.Bible says that you are marrying forever but they're divorcing and getting married again.
Marcella, you make me mad .Have you ever been to Egypt??
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OK something else is if you HAVE to live under islamic law where is everything totally different.But anyway it is only your choice.
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quote:Originally posted by Marcella: Copt means christian.So all Copts are christians and christians can marry in the church but it is not necessary.They do it if they want to but most of times they're going also make it to the court.Bible says that you are marrying forever but they're divorcing and getting married again.
First of all when I say copt I mean not only religion but also tradition. Coptic christians have their own traditions and for copts the marriage without ceremony in the church is the same as for muslims orfi. So if copt is serious about marriage he will marry in the church!!! Otherwise he will sign orfi and go with it to the special place where they will approve it and you'll have legal papers. The second thing that christians in Egypt don't devorce unless they travel outside Egypt. If u have real marriage in the church in Egypt it's almost impossible to get divorced.
All these tradtions are not because of islamic law!!! It's because copts in some things are following christians laws better!!!
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As I said it is about where you live and what you can.Egypt is unfortunately the wrong place where you cannot have absolutely freedom and your own choice.And not only Egypt.But anywhere are islamic laws.
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Marcella you seem to have such contempt for both Islam and Muslims.. By chance did you marry a Muslim and what do you really think your future holds with him and all your negativity? Sure your husband may be young and not really a practicing Muslim now so you bash Islam and Muslims,but what happens when he gets older and likely becomes more adhering,what will you do? From my understanding most Muslim men get more religious as they get older. I think you and your marriage will be in trouble. You silly, non-English speaking, Islamophobic bitch.
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quote:Originally posted by Geneva: Marcella you seem to have such contempt for both Islam and Muslims.. By chance did you marry a Muslim and what do you really think your future holds with him and all your negativity? Sure your husband may be young and not really a practicing Muslim now so you bash Islam and Muslims,but what happens when he gets older and likely becomes more adhering,what will you do? From my understanding most Muslim men get more religious as they get older. I think you and your marriage will be in trouble. You silly, non-English speaking, Islamophobic bitch.
You make me laugh!!!He can do it doesn't mean I will change my mind. You know **** about us.Keep it for yourself you smart ass and live you islamic life if you like!!!OMG!!! Oh my english it is really interesting that you can understand someone who doesn't speak english! Are you a witch or something like that? Probably a witch-bitch.
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