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Oh God not Moroccanhotties! Yikes! Moroccans are worse than Egyptians..if you can imagine that.
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Really egyptian men r not bad ,but every one must choose the right match for him-her and believe me they will not face any problems.
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yes i got ur point,you know when some1 get used 1 something he-she doesnt like to change it .
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laura, its something women do regardless if its egyptian men or not. Its this-destructive behavior. I think its almost like- well, i got burned, and im not going to stop till I wont be burned.
I had a friend who kept meeting arab guys online, they kept using her, she kept getting hurt, and shes still doing it, 2 years later.
it doesnt make any sense. If i had some guy humiliate me like that, i'd stay away from that group of people for the rest of my life.
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Not all people like u Hibbah. Some people like meeting the same group ,just to find the right match .And if they still incontact wiz same group ,it means that they like the person even he-she got hurted but still like him-her.And will love to have a bf-gf from same group and same culture
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it's the expat/colonial syndrome without the hastle of actual living in those yucky, dusty, questionable-emergency-medical-services 3rd world countries, laura.
you get to feel special, rich, beautiful, thin, young, intelligent, worldly... basically, everything that you are not feeling should you chose a relationship with a man in your own culture and in your own league.
you're just jealous laura, that's what your problem is. admit it. you want a felluca boy of your own!
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In any type of relationship you would hope you'd learn from the experience and not try to repeat the same mistake(s) twice.
I never cared about whether a guy I dated was from any particular race, country, or ethnic background but rather was he a good person. I found there were guys in my own race I wouldn't dream of being seen with much less date. With each boyfriend I ever had, I just tried to learn from the mistakes of the previous one and try to do better with my choices the next time around.
I find it depressing to hear there are women who are like Laura describes. In my opinion, if you got burned by meeting some guy, any guy, online in chatrooms or boards such as this one, wouldn't you try to do something different the next time around and actually learn from you experience? I would hope so!
It's exactly as hibbah described already. These are women who continue on the path of self-destruction trying to prove to the world that eventually they will succeed in not being burned despite the fact they haven't learned one lesson before. It's really sad if you ask me.
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Good question - only why is this addressed to me??? Oh I know, this is punishment for my bragging to be all-knowing, ca.. Serves me right...
Okay, I shall give you *my* wonderful (and of course totally true and realistic) answer... Because Egyptians win the 'Who's the world's greatest romantic' contest haaaaands down.. What dear Expat says is too true (even though you are slightly sarcastic,yes) - they DO have this natural ability to make ANYONE they concentrate on, and be it the most wrinkly, toothless granny who looks like death warmed up, feel all those great things..
Say what you want, this enormous, touching romanticism is something men of the Western world on the whole do not engage in, while Egyptians are masters at the art form, starting with the flowery, poetic language going to the 'honest', emotional eyes, to the incredible charm...
This coupled with the mystery and beauty of Egypt, warm, starry nights, some ancient relics thrown in ('oh, I was a Princess in a former life'... Ever heard that line?!?!) makes for a real lovey-dovey setting alright - and so, when things do not work out with one, then that does not kill the overall dream, and has nothing to do with cultural differences and characters, no, it was only an unfortunate flaw in that one man. The rest of them are STILL so charming, attentive and sweet, hopefully this or that one will jump in the breach to fulfill dreams..
And on top of that, most ladies will not own up wishing for a man - no, it is the COUNTRY that is the attraction, those sweeties are just a little extra benefit...
So going to Morocco or Tunisia or whatever is not an option - first one would have to admit the men-search to oneself, anyhow - PLUS the one-time visitor now has an idea of Egypt, 'knows' a little something, so feels good there (better than trying out a new place), returning to Egypt is never a hardship - and then there are millions more, and ONE of them will be the prince of dreams, even if the last one stuffed up...
As easy as that, and quite easy to follow (the thought/hope pattern, I mean) - beautiful, mysterious country (where any fairytale is possible...), sooooo charming, handsome men, the deep Egyptian romanticism - bam, boom, woman is hooked for life.. And will happily try and try again, because if this one has a minor character flaw, it's never the fault of country and culture, just a personal short-coming, so onto the next - without all the risks involved in going to an entirely NEW country..
Of course, if you want me to elaborate on WHO is specially suspectible to this, who and in which life situation one is most prone to fall for the idea/dream, how best to recognise those male actions and efforts for what they are, and what it all REALLY means, THAT will take ages to explain, and I have to go back to bed - only got up for a drink...
Hope my earth-shatteringly clever revelation above (hahaha, I know it sounds too simple, but really, that's it, I have watched those ladies for years..) makes you happy, now for somebody else's theory...
Be good, looove, Bubble
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Thank you everyone for some interesting ideas and thoughts about this.
ExptinCAI: Nah,
Bubble: I just like the way you think, you were the first one that crossed my mind Posts: 3291 | From: I DO believe in Karma! | Registered: Apr 2002
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quote:Originally posted by Bubblesperson: And on top of that, most ladies will not own up wishing for a man - no, it is the COUNTRY that is the attraction, those sweeties are just a little extra benefit...
you're probably right in this. I did have a friend online (from this message board as a matter of fact) that admitted to me once that she just wanted to marry an egyptian man, that she LOVED them so much. I couldn't get her to explain why, she didn't really even know the answer. Of course, she remarried and not to an egyptian man (another Arab nationality), so who knows...
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i kept asking my self every time i read some one get hurt by egyptian but she go again for another one, get hurt and go again for another one
than i asked my slef?
are they in love with egyptian men or they in love with the country egypt and the culture? no idea
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I overlooked that 'online' bit last night.. Well, don't expect too much of me at 3am when half asleep..
With online the starry nights would fall away of course - but one can still dream about them to come in due course.. The mystery and attraction of Egypt is still there, though - as is this great romantic ability of young Egyptian males.
And THAT is why ladies keep returning for more after one does not work out - their romantic, lovey-dovey babblings, the way they look deeply into one's eyes with this sad puppy look (on cam) and all those wonderful promises of looove forever, are what is perceived as soooooooo nice and what answers a NEED in many ladies...
So to have this need fulfilled - which an Egyptian answered so well - is what they look for 2nd time round - reason why 1st one did not work out is that he happened to be no good, but that was HIS fault, another, equally romantic Egyptian might be right, is the thinking... Couple this with excuses made - tragic circumstances, his mother does not want him to leave the country, mean family is against marriage to foreigner or so, and the lady becomes convinced that her 1st experience was just really bad luck - but notwithstanding this bad luck, he DID answer the need in a way no Western man ever would (romanticism) and so it is 'logical' that the next one from that romantic, loving, mysterious culture without a mean family WILL be The Man - and so the search is on, see...
So here you have my theory, and I am sticking to it, hahaha... As I shall stick to this firm conviction that there is NOBODY like an Egyptian so skilled in wooing a lady to my dying day - simply because of the poetry and the music they grow up with and repeat so ably to women who are not used to such overwhelming (on the face of it) devotion... Hope that answers your question, Ahly, too...
Have a good Saturday, y'all, love, Bubble
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Yes it did answered my question and give me better view, I may was thinking we as Egyptian men not different than any western men, so what is the special that make ladies keep searching for her life dream in Egypt?.. But you answered my question and yes the way we grow up with love songs, music, love poetry and how to protect our ladies? Take care of them? Give them safety and security treat them with kindles and love, defiantly not after their money and also defiantly we are jealous men with hot blood…. And for sure on top we are the man of the relation and the man of the house and the final say so is us…. “With my full respect for the equality”
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EEEEAHHH wrong, sorry, thank you for playing.
western men are also rasied with love, songs, music, love poetry and to know how to protect women (according to our culture). They are able to to give safety and security treat women with kidness and love, they're not after anyone's money and have admirable jealously in their own ways (some, but not the same).
I just don't buy it, that someone of a certain 'type' of man is raised to be more/less romantic. I encountered plenty of romantic american men in my lifetime. I think some people just like the exotic aspect of different people, that's all.
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Sure Bubble as western lady your theory are very intersting and specail if comoing from a lady that really study very well egyptian culture and egyptian men Behavior and that answer why western women love egyptian men and move and leave in egypt for the rest of thier life?
it mix between the country and the Behavior of egyptian men and how the egyptian men was raise ?
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Ahly! Where have you been? How is your fiance doing? Wish you the best!
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Yes, yes, dear Smucks - BUT it is different in Egypt... Arabs are people of the WORD, meaning linguistic finesse is very important and much appreciated and loved - basically the language of classical Arabic is what sends people into raptures (look at the Quran, or take how Nasser and King Hussein were adored for their speeches, ALL in the language...).
We have great poets in the West, but now who will quote a love sonnet or Lord Byron to a lady (and which lady will swoon at that)??? Same with the music - there's a huge difference between some soppy love song in the West, and people in tears listening to Uum Kalthum or those chaps of that generation - oooh, the name now does not come to mind, but when this one wildly famous singer (whose female audience was weeping away overcome every time) passed away early 70ties, women were throwing themselves off balconies all over Egypt... See this happening for Robbie Williams???
It is THIS bit of the poetry/language/music culture I mean - due to which Egyptians THEMSELVES harbour these totally overdrawn ideas of truuuuuuuue love forever blahblahblah... It's an ideal-thing, a vision, a dream, engaged in by both males and females and this vision/dream is what they portray soooooooooo successfully to others - often totally forgetting that real life is not quite like that, and one has to deal with many disturbing problems, too - which of course do not feature in the vision/dream.
As far as the protection and jealousy go - again, this is very much overdrawn and just too much with Egypptians, our men do so quietly in the back, not out front like 'I shall drive you everywhere so you are looked after' and 'I'll get you an escort wherever you go so you have no trouble' - and strangely enough, at least at first this is all very touching for Western females, since it looks so 'old school gentleman', while terrible jealousy is thought of as deeeep, true love..
Only in due course do many women find out that this jealousy means possession and distrust, and the super-protection is a way of staying in control at all times...
So, Smucks, I'd say of course there are romantic men in the West - but they are never as over the top or open as Egyptians, nor do they act soooooooo fast on those feelings, real or just a hopeful dream (proposal after 1 week...) - that it is the CULTURE where people must engage to be allowed to go out and get to know each other is commonly not even known by Western women, or just disregarded, the reason their habibi proposed straight away is simply that he is soooooooo utterly overcome by love and devotion, uuuh, how flattering...
The difference lies partly in the presentation - over the top and most unusual for many ladies - and then in the PERCEPTION, the fact that too many women misunderstand flowery compliments for being one-and-only poems FOR THEM instead of something out of a song which makes half the country cry, or the reason for total rush lies in society's rules, not in the unshakeability of his feelings...
More clear??? A good day for you and baby!!! Love, Bubble
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quote:Originally posted by Alchemist: Ahly! Where have you been? How is your fiance doing? Wish you the best!
we both doing fine thank you and i was just reading and not posting unless i was ask to do so.... thank you sarah and wish you all the best Posts: 233 | From: Cairo | Registered: Dec 2006
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basically the language of classical Arabic is what sends people into raptures (look at the Quran, or take how Nasser and King Hussein were adored for their speeches, ALL in the language...).
yes yes and that is our advantage also it get us in lot of trubles....
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Okay, lovely Smucks, you want to be difficult today, eh.. Joke, joke, no reason for us to convince each other - but do please ask your hubby's thoughts on that 'people of the word' thing... I wonder whether he would agree...
And tell you what, YOU might not buy it, but there are THOUSANDS who do - right now, as we speak... Believe me, I've had plenty of time observing new ladies while living there, I have questioned very many of them (when I found them sobbing on my shoulder... Too many one meets harmlessly while out one day will, see, they thought I have to know all kinds of secrets what with living there, and so could give magic advise - oooh, the things I heard!!! Pity me!!! Well, I often pitied myself fervently..), but they really ALL emphathised this one thing, THE EMOTION...... (Mainly expressed through words and eyes).
The feeling and romanticism those chaps just ooooze (for whichever purpose)... I wish more ladies were not suckers lapping it up, following your example...
Love, be good, and stop gagging, not good for baby!!! Bubble
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quote:Originally posted by Bubblesperson: Okay, lovely Smucks, you want to be difficult today, eh.. Joke, joke, no reason for us to convince each other - but do please ask your hubby's thoughts on that 'people of the word' thing... I wonder whether he would agree...
And tell you what, YOU might not buy it, but there are THOUSANDS who do - right now, as we speak... Believe me, I've had plenty of time observing new ladies while living there, I have questioned very many of them (when I found them sobbing on my shoulder... Too many one meets harmlessly while out one day will, see, they thought I have to know all kinds of secrets what with living there, and so could give magic advise - oooh, the things I heard!!! Pity me!!! Well, I often pitied myself fervently..), but they really ALL emphathised this one thing, THE EMOTION...... (Mainly expressed through words and eyes).
The feeling and romanticism those chaps just ooooze (for whichever purpose)... I wish more ladies were not suckers lapping it up, following your example...
Love, be good, and stop gagging, not good for baby!!! Bubble
lol noooo not being difficult at all (really). I appreciate the romantic actions of a person just as much as the next person, I just don't think egyptian men have a cornerstone on the practice over anybody else. take care and thanks for the kind words. Posts: 13440 | Registered: Feb 2006
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Bubble, I think the singer you were trying to remember was Abdul Halim Hafiz.
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quote:Originally posted by ahly: basically the language of classical Arabic is what sends people into raptures (look at the Quran, or take how Nasser and King Hussein were adored for their speeches, ALL in the language...).
yes yes and that is our advantage also it get us in lot of trubles....
The Language of Arabic doesn't send me into "raptures" it does sometimes send me into spastic epileptic seizures though.
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quote:Originally posted by ahly: basically the language of classical Arabic is what sends people into raptures (look at the Quran, or take how Nasser and King Hussein were adored for their speeches, ALL in the language...).
yes yes and that is our advantage also it get us in lot of trubles....
The Language of Arabic doesn't send me into "raptures" it does sometimes send me into spastic epileptic seizures though.
would you please make it in simple english so i can understand, if you do not mind Thank you
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that interesting and for sure it is just theory and every one has his own opinion and observation of other people and culture... Nothing wrong of that.... for us the old generation we grow up on Um kalthoum and abdel halim and that what made us so emotion than the new generation? for sure romantic not trade mark for Egyptian, every culture and people they have their own way of been romantic.. Some time I really wish we can be like western never be emotion when we take serious dession? Special our leaders and back in the history we as Egyptian paid high price for dession made out of emotion and not our of reasonable reasons and the price was really high sky and we still paying that price till today…
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quote:Originally posted by Laura: Can anyone explain this phenomenon please.
Why do women who have been burned by an Egyptian man online, come back looking for another one?
Why not head out to UAEsingles.com, Moroccanhotties.com, Lebaneselovers.com, Italianstuds.com, Greekgods.com
Why return to the scene of the crime?
No, I would suggest to stop going online to search for love really the internet can be dangerous/false. I'm sure some people been lucky with finding a goodmate online, but not everyone will be lucky.
I think meeting offline at social events is somewhat better and also living within local distance and still should observe the personality of the man for a while to determine if he is right to start a relationship.
I myself just can't handle a man on romance level being too far from me in living distance just a waste of time for me and him.
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If u love someone it doen't matter how far away u r. If anything i find it makes our love stronger and we appreciate our time together more.
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quote:Originally posted by audbod: If u love someone it doen't matter how far away u r. If anything i find it makes our love stronger and we appreciate our time together more.
please tell me you're not referring to the guy who forged your name on orfi papers and then filed them making a legal egyptian marriage? Posts: 13440 | Registered: Feb 2006
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Yes i still love him. i,ve got it bad! He sends me about 10 sms every day and we talk on phone twice a week. After all he did tell me what the papers were once he built up the courage.
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quote:Originally posted by audbod: Yes i still love him. i,ve got it bad! He sends me about 10 sms every day and we talk on phone twice a week. After all he did tell me what the papers were once he built up the courage.
audbod, thats so disrepectful to do that to you, I cant believe you still love him what else is he willing to do? steal your money but then confess later ? love is when he wants more for you or better for you than you want for yourself, it isn't forging your signature on papers in an illegal fashion to trick you so you will be married to him and then filing the papers, but making him (and you obviously) feel better by telling you after the fact. Posts: 13440 | Registered: Feb 2006
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If he had asked i would have signed anyway. This is in the past now and i look forward to the next time we r together and our future happiness.He has gone to visit his parents this week and i hope to go back to see him in a few weeks.
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do you ever wonder whether the majority of women in here actually share a brain cell? Posts: 15090 | From: http://www.egyptalk.com/forum/ | Registered: Jul 2004
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welcome to the firing squad audbod, lol they will have fun taking shots at you. Hugs dear girl, stick to your beliefs and your instincts and listen to your heart through all that these people will put you through for staying with him.
quote:Originally posted by audbod: If he had asked i would have signed anyway. This is in the past now and i look forward to the next time we r together and our future happiness.He has gone to visit his parents this week and i hope to go back to see him in a few weeks.
by saying 'If he had asked I would have signed anyway' ?? well, if he asked you for 1000 euros you would probably give it to him, but if he takes it without your permission is that ok too? Men here who do things like that are vile, but I know it is your choice in all things. I wish you luck.
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quote:Originally posted by mysticheart: welcome to the firing squad audbod, lol they will have fun taking shots at you. Hugs dear girl, stick to your beliefs and your instincts and listen to your heart through all that these people will put you through for staying with him.
you know what MH, I have tried to be nice to you, I guess you're just super defensive lately.
by me telling her that a guy who lied and forged her signature is not very good (no brainer) that isn't me taking shots at her. and if your advice to someone who's man does that is to stick to her beliefs and follow instincts then it actually tells me a lot about your situation and it isn't that good. So try to tell us again how lying to her and committing a crime (with her involvement by signature) is not disrespectful?? Posts: 13440 | Registered: Feb 2006
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quote:Originally posted by mysticheart: welcome to the firing squad audbod, lol they will have fun taking shots at you. Hugs dear girl, stick to your beliefs and your instincts and listen to your heart through all that these people will put you through for staying with him.
you know what MH, I have tried to be nice to you, I guess you're just super defensive lately.
by me telling her that a guy who lied and forged her signature is not very good (no brainer) that isn't me taking shots at her. and if your advice to someone who's man does that is to stick to her beliefs and follow instincts then it actually tells me a lot about your situation and it isn't that good. So try to tell us again how lying to her and committing a crime (with her involvement by signature) is not disrespectful??
You have far more patience than I do with these idiots Smucks, teslameen!
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I would give him money if he asked me but i would not allow him to steal from me.I lost somethig one day in flat and we spent ages looking foe it. He was very upset and the one thing i do remember him saying was that he would never take anything from me. I found it where i had put it so i wouldn't lose it but had forgotten where i put it!
I know what u r getting at, I have read about the egyptian guys who target women in their 40s like me but he is not like this.I am a business women who does not let anyonne get the better of me.
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Smuckers honey, im sorry the comment was not directly aimed at you, but more for the comments coming her way from others. I will not say that what he did is right in anyway as i felt very strongly about being lied to before about an orfi marriage in being told it was real, not orfi, back when i didnt know there were different kinds of marriage. It was disrespectful to her to do this but, she has chosen to look past it, she said she would have signed the papers anyway had he asked, so she loves him, its just something to work through. So in the end i dont feel it is something she should just dump him for but something to be discussed between them very seriously and for him to be warned if he does such again there will be a price to pay, such as her leaving him. Forgiving is a good thing, working through things with patience is good, turning your back on someone you love over something that can be worked through, as long as it doesnt continually happen over and over, well not so good.
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MH, I wasnt being 'mean' to her, or you, if i was I would have said half a brain cell.
Any man that will forge your signature in something as important as marriage, then 'break it to you' while giving you lovey dovey crap and those big brown eyes you cant resist, is an arsehole of the highest calibre. Any woman who accepts that then deserves all she gets. Keep your bank cards with you at all times as that WILL be next.
Sorry if you think thats harsh but its how it is, like it or not. Think to yourselves would YOU do that to someone you profess to LOVE??
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I know what u r getting at, I have read about the egyptian guys who target women in their 40s like me but he is not like this.I am a business women who does not let anyonne get the better of me.
He HAS got the better of you! He married you without you knowing FFS! Posts: 15090 | From: http://www.egyptalk.com/forum/ | Registered: Jul 2004
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