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Ok, so I'm a new member, sorry if my etiquette isn't quite up to standard!
I was on holiday in hurghada 2 years ago with my boyfriend and we made friends with these two guys who worked in a touristy shop. We exchanged email addresses and one of them added me to msn. I'm gonna refer to him as X. We were never online at the same time until January 2008 when we started chatting. He could not believe I still remembered him and was able to tell me things about me to prove he remembered me.
What started as a general catch-up quickly became him telling me he loved me. He claims to be a virgin, law abiding Christian who won't have full sex until marriage. I'm still with the same boyfriend although things aren't perfect between us.
He makes me soo happy, I can't stop thinking about him, can't get him out of my head. We chat a couple of times a week on MSN but he now works seven days a week for a UK holiday company in Hurghada so our chats tend to be very late at night, often with him only getting a couple of hours sleep. He texts me every day.
We use webcam, he's sent me pics, I've sent him pics. We can be just chatting on MSN and he'll randomly say he loves me!
He says his family are very important to him and wants me to come out and meet them, I don't think he is bothered about coming to Ireland. I am willing to finish with the boyfriend and get a job out there for the summer to see how it goes but I'm terrified!
I 'm 23 and the times I've been to Egypt before with my boyfriend I get a lot of hassle from men. He is also 23 and promises to look after me. He says if anyone even tries to touch me he will kill them!
I don't want to tell anyone at home cos they'll think i'm crazy to leave my boyfriend who I am sure loves me. I am a Christian, though not practising and I have no money! He knows I'm not rich!
I have raised the issue of money/visa and he says it's totally against his religion and beliefs. Just with regard to his religion, he says he will only marry me if his priest agrees to marry us and that I have proved myself to be a good Christian. He won't marry me unless I'm a virgin (which I am, I want to wait til married) and sends mixed signals regarding sex. Sometimes he sends me texts saying what he would like to do to me, other times when we chat on MSN he says he's looking for love not sex and I feel like a whore for even saying I want to kiss him! What is wrong with this guy?? So many mixed signals!
Please help!
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One mistake is to break up with current bf 'for' the Egy one. If you have problems in your relationship then that needs sorting FIRST before you move on to this one.
It is VERY rare a Coptic Christian will marry a non Copt.
Egyptians have exceptional memories for people and faces and names, of course he remembers you, so will the guy you saw once in ANY shop in Egypt.
He makes you feel good because he is not your bf, he is something new and mysterious, he is thousands of miles away among other things.
He may say hes a virgin and wont have sex until you are married to him but hes still making improper suggestions over msn knowing you are with another bf?
Money/visa against his beliefs it may be but once you are hooked you will be begging him to move to Ireland with you and will happily pay for everything, thats how it works.
You say he knows you're not rich?? you can afford to holiday in Egypt, therefore in HIS terms you are RICH no matter what you tell him.
My ex was also Coptic Christian, it wasnt against his beliefs to take money from me and move all over Europe to eventually get Spanish papers, probably paid for by some Spanish woman as this English woman failed to get him a visa to UK.
If you go back to meet him be careful, make sure you have other contacts there incase you need them. Read the warnings here and do NOT ignore any signs.
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sorry to say this but this sounds just like a typical story. i wouldn't go near this man with a 10 metre pole.
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Kittenstar, this guy would have sex before marriage in a heartbeat. Egyptian men think Western women are impressed with the virginity thing that is so important over there. He wants to appear to you that he is this very decent guy who would never touch a woman before marriage. Well let me tell you, because these guys grow up in a society where they can't date or be with a girl intimately, they are sex starved horny dogs. I am sorry I don't know how to say it any other way. That is why they are so after western women because they think you have different morals and won't mind fooling around before marriage. You see I think someone from the west who wants to remain a virgin until marriage is more serious about this, where as in Egypt, this is the catch phrase for all the "decent" people, why they would never have any sex before marriage (wink, wink), mean while they are trying to get with western women all the time for action. Being a virgin until marriage is the accepted thing for people there, of course only seriously for women. For men, well there is a big double standard there, but in the west no one really cares about this so we don't run around trying to impress some future partner that we are a virgin. People in Egypt do all the sexual things we do in the west whether we are married or not, they just have to do them on the low down. They can't be open about it.
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I am kinda shocked that everyone thinks he is dodgy! I've been reading this site a bit recently and some others and I thought I had maybe found a decent guy
The positive things I thought were that he was on holiday a couple of weeks ago and went home to his parents (near Cairo) and immediately told them about me. He says his parents are fine about me not being egyptian but are just concerned that as my parents are divorced I may also choose this option if everything isn't rosy (Coptic Christians don't support divorce). He says his father just advised him to make sure we understand each other very well before making any decisions. X has said that as long as I am friendly and respectful to his parents they will be happy as long as he is happy. He wants me to meet them if/when I come to visit him. The issue of who pays the airfare, hotel etc in egypt hasn't came up.
Secondly, when we discuss sex he says he considers me as his wife and the only girl in his life. His friend, who we also met in hurghada, has apparently told him God has rewarded him with me for keeping a clean life. He is always telling me how he is searching for love not sex and if I want only sex then not to waste my time coming to see him. He also says if I'm not a virgin then definitely not to come.
Thirdly, he discusses his normal life with me. He is under real pressure at work cos he is so busy and he tells me about things and listens to my responses and advice. Surely he wouldnt share boring stuff like this with me?
With regard to my bf I will tell him once I've made a decision. I don't mean to sound mean but I just wanna be sure about X before I throw everything away. The earliest I can go to Egypt is June anyway cos I'm in final year of uni.
Thanks everyone.
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Kittenstar, you need to clean up the table! You can't eat from both cakes. You need to make a decision. It's so not fair to your current boyfriend. Also the Egyptian guy knows that you are in a steady relationship even when it's obviously kinda rocky. How does he think about that? He doesn't mind?
Good luck with whatever way you'll choose.
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I am with most here, I can't put my finger on it but I am fairly sure you will regret hooking up with this guy. How many foreigners do you think have came through his shop and he has exchanged phone numbers/email addresses with? Suddenly you are the ONLY one? Sure, I guess it is possible but beware, what you have to lose isn't worth the risk of what you 'might' gain, if anything. IMO you should cut your losses and ask yourself more realistic questions. Also stop taking everything he does/says as if it is gospel, you really don't know anything about him other than what he has told you. The rule of thumb is always: IS WHAT YOU ARE PREPARED TO LOSE WORTH THE RISK?
If the answer is no, move on, and probably from what you have said -the answer is no.
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how old are you kittenstar? forgive my bluntness but you sound very naive. its a dream , reality is were you are at, forget x and try to patch things up with your bf. that path will only lead to heartbreak for you. i wish you luck you will need it
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You know, kittenstar, you might be too young for marriage and to make plans with someone you hardly know.
Didn't marriage come up with your current bf? At one point didn't you both plan to make it work together?
I think the best way for you is to find yourself and what you really want - perhaps you should stay single for a while.
Just don't rush from one relationship into the next one. It's not healthy believe me even if you might not see and feel it right now.
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manx, tigerlily, smuckers I really appreciate your concern, thanks for your responses.
Yes, marriage has came up with current bf and I've said no. I have no intention of marrying X anytime in the near future either. I will not marry until I am 100% sure.
I realise that you think I am naive Manx and you may be right but doesn't anyone think he has anything credible about him? The parents thing even?
I dont want to regret not giving this a go.
What are the signs I should look out for? Are there any questions I can ask him to test his real feelings?
What is it that everyone who has posted seems to see that I dont?!
Thanks again.
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The fact that he met you, a westerner, on holiday with your boyfriend in a foreign country unescorted by anyone, and then he took your number and added you to his msn and email, was dodgy to start off with. If he was a decent man, he wouldn't be trying to chat up a woman who has a boyfriend that she is serious enough to go on holiday with, and he would have assumed that as you were a westerner on holiday with a boyfriend that your relationship was more than platonic.
Assuming that he was interested, and able to overcome his high moral stance on virginity and fidelity to contact you, he didn't do so for 2 years...you say that it was because you weren't online at the same time as him for 2 years, but he had your email...he could have contacted you by email and tested the water to see if you were free if he really had feelings for you from that time.
For someone who says that he is so jealously protective that he would kill anyone who touched you - after he takes you from your boyfriend that is - and he now considers you as his wife, it does not make sense that he would be able to tolerate you still being with your boyfriend after he had declared his love for you. And also, if anything did work out with him, do you honestly think that he would ever trust you to be out by yourself as he won you away from your boyfriend so easily...after a few sweet words on msn?
Btw. did he tell his parents that he met you while you were on holiday with your boyfriend!
Too many question marks over this whole thing for me, sounds fishy!
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Kittenstar,you obviously have little Egyptian culture experience.It`s a very common thing for many Egy men to say "i love you" for only feeling comfy with you or liking to talk with you.It does not mean the same to us as Westerners as to them,nor it`s said in the same light. If i`ve had a dollar for every time i`ve been told "i love you" after talking with some Egy in a tourist shop i would at least be richy-rich! Posts: 3833 | From: here,there,everywhere | Registered: Nov 2007
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hhhmmmm, the parents thing is GOOD so he has one good mark for him in my book, just make sure you DO meet them.
Its no good trying to make a go with current bf, get rid of him, do some time without one, clear your head a bit. If you hang on to current to see how you feel about X that will taint your relationship and sounds like it has already, OR it could turn round and make you more aware current is the one for you.
Thinking about it, if he IS what he says he is, and yes there are some , then you do need to go back and see. You 'will' regret it if you dont, you 'may' regret it if you do
There really are some decent guys who do work in tourist places, Copts and Muslims. If his family are willing to meet you and consider you as a wife for their son then he may be a decent one with decent family willing to consider their son marrying who HE wants to marry as opposed to who they want him to marry. Your age is also going for you BIG TIME!!!
I say go meet him, coz im a daft romantic who wasted half her life doing what I thought I 'should' do BUT be warned and be on your guard. You CANT listen to us here, we dont know him and neither do you yet. But you CAN listen to us and take it on board as being armed a little at least.
Talk to him more but dont let him be 'disrespectful' towards you, use that card as much as you need to.
Let us know what happens
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quote:Originally posted by kittenstar: I realise that you think I am naive Manx and you may be right but doesn't anyone think he has anything credible about him? The parents thing even?
What are the signs I should look out for? Are there any questions I can ask him to test his real feelings?
What is it that everyone who has posted seems to see that I dont?!
Hi kitten, I don't think you're naive. You just have no experience at all with Egypt or the Egyptian mentality, and thus you are prone to interpret his actions according to your own cultural standars instead of seeing them for what they are.
Regarding the parents thing ... it is generally said that being introduced to his parents is a good sign, but that is not necessarily true. It might happen that, if the guy is from a poor family, the parents and siblings (and sometimes even the wife) play along with it. Not saying this happens all the time, but just that you should be careful and that being introduced to his family (particularly if you don't understand Arabic) does not necessarily mean something.
I also think that people who are trying to lead an *upright* or *moral* lifestyle, hardly ever boast about it. The fact that he talked so much to you about his supposed values and how important he supposedly views the issue of virginity, would ring an alarm bell in my head. He approached you in a tourist town where he was exposed to women from allover the world on a regular basis; but he wants you to believe that you are the first and only one whom he's serious with?!?
Also, I sense a slight element of emotional blackmail ... why does he tell you that he will only marry you if you "prove to be a real Christian"?!? That's a very strange statement imho!
Last not least, the fact that he's telling you all this while knowing that you have a boyfriend, does not bode well for his supposed piety and seriousness at all.
Please don't take my words to be harsh, I don't mean to! But I believe you are in for a serious heartbreak if you pursue a relationship with this guy. Posts: 3587 | Registered: Mar 2006
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i don't want to sound like the downer, but really...egyptian men are sweet-talkers and (in my experience) LIARS to get what they want. i, too, wish i had money for every time an egyptian man told me he loved me or wanted to marry me!
don't believe what he tells you as gospel. it simply isn't. i have known many, many women who trusted an egyptian man, trusted what he was saying, whom were told they were the ONLY woman in their life and they simply turned out to be one of many.
go there. your gut will guide you if you choose to listen to it and not your heart.
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Aside from the point that X is Egyptian and that he might not be sincere, having 'feelings' for someone else while in a relationship says that your relationship is missing something.
My suggestion is to be on your own for a while, sort out your feelings, and understand what your real needs are before confusing everybody, you included.
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You are a young lady, have your whole life waiting for you, so don't make decisions too quickly, take your time I would say.
As has been mentioned before, when a man in a seaside resort tells you "I like you/I love you", it shouldn't be taken to heart too quickly. He might be serious, yes , but very often the truth is that there are 'the other' women. These words are just a catch and try not to let yourself become too gullible. Do not drink the honey off his mouth too easily.
You are an adult person and will do what YOU think is right, but be careful. These romances are quite sudden and heady. And there has been so many sad stories here on ES. Perhaps he is the man for you... But I'd say you might also experience a very, very rude awakening.
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quote:he could have contacted you by email and tested the water to see if you were free if he really had feelings for you from that time.
What if he did so and there was no response
Maybe the email didn't get through, the boyfriend deleted it so she didn't see it, she wasn't free so didn't reply, or maybe she didn't want to encourage something that wasn't reciprocated. But as kittenstar didn't mention that she had received one or that he had said that he had tried to contact her before he saw her on the msn, that doesn't seem likely in this case.
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I only read up to the bit where he was a Christian who wouldn't have sex before marriage, but was happy to talk with and tell someone elses girlfriends that he loves her...that told me all I needed to know that this man is not such a good Christian and I wouldn't trust him.
Equally, If you have a boyfriend you really ought not to be having conversations with a man who tells you he loves you as I'm sure you would not like your boyfriend chatting on line to a women who is telling him she loves him, and he cant stop thinking about her and how she makes him so happy.
Why dont you split up with your boyfriend first before you start something with someone else, then it will all be less confusing for you
I just read this bit: "He says his parents are fine about me not being egyptian but are just concerned that as my parents are divorced I may also choose this option if everything isn't rosy (Coptic Christians don't support divorce). "
He may not have said but he and possibly his parents may also be worried that should you both end up getting married and further down the line end up going on holiday, you may meet another man and msn him and when you have problems with this one, start something with someone new. People generally worry that history has a way of repeating itself and since there is no mention in your post that what you are doing is wrong, they may think this is quite acceptable for you.
Also, you said 'you are 'willing' to finish with your boyfriend' - thats nice of you.
I'm sorry if I am being harsh, but I'm not going to whitewash it, when I am sure you would be in tears if your boyfriend was messing about with someone else and considering a future with them, but just keeping you around as a back up plan or something to pass the time.
Please show some respect for your boyfriend.
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She already said she doesn't see a future with the current boyfriend, but yet keeping him around, why? Who knows....
She obviously likes the attention this Egyptian is bringing her. If what you want is just attention then go to Egypt, have a good time and just be careful. If not, take it slowly and ask TONS of questions, when you are finished asking questions, ask a few more. There will always be things you don't know about.
There are those of us who live in this culture, from a Western country and see it differently now. If I were you I would be really cautious and suspect this man of any and everything.
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quote:Originally posted by newcomer: Maybe the email didn't get through, the boyfriend deleted it so she didn't see it, she wasn't free so didn't reply, or maybe she didn't want to encourage something that wasn't reciprocated.
I think she should tell him directly and not to be afraid of anything because he is a man and will understand.
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We're talking about someone here who is most likely some sort of gigolo and manipulator; so I don't know whether being open and direct with him would really make much sense ...
Btw, kitten, if he is a Coptic Christian and you are not, chances that a priest would marry the two of you without you converting are quite low.
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newcomer - my bf and I kinda made friends with him and another guy visiting their shop a few times just to chat and have tea so I didnt think there was a problem in exchanging emails. We didnt exchange mobiles until we'd started talking on msn.
I have asked him why he didn't contact me and he said he thought I never used this email anymore cos I was never on MSN. I don't tend to use MSN much so I thought this was pretty plausible. He also said he thought I was still with bf and happy with him.
To all those who are worried about bf - I'm not still with bf, it's just he hasn't really accepted it's over and thinks I'm just being a bit crazy.
X asked me a lot about how I felt with bf - love, sex etc. It was then he told me he liked me even though he knew it was impossible for anyhting to happen between us but he just wanted me to know how he felt. I really opened up to X and told him why I don't wanna marry bf. It was only after I told him all this that he started to get serious with me.
X tells me he has only ever loved one other girl - some girl he went to school with but that he never told her and regretted that for a long time. Apparently there was another older western woman (who could offer him money and a visa) who 'fell in love' with him and wanted to marry him and he said no cos he didnt love her.
Dalia - he doesnt boast about his moral lifestyle, it's just when I ask him questions like "why dont you meet girls at parties?" he gets annoyed and says it's not his way and the girls would meet there would not be looking for love.
With regard to him only marrying me if I prove myself to be a real Christian he means I would need to convert and be baptised in his church. He also said his Priest would need to approve of the marriage.
Thanks again everyone. Hopefully my dilema can also help others out there.
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quote:Originally posted by kittenstar: Vader, I feel that I love him so why is it so hard for him to love me?
Love You met him once about two years ago and now you have been talking online for a while. I guess LOVE is different to everyone but I think you certainly cannot love somebody at this point. Sure, you can be infatuated. And people can talk, talk - words are nothing to me until they are proven to be true. Anyone can talk and promise you the moon from the sky but they don't mean it in the end. Just because he says nice things it doesn't mean anything.
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Kittenstar. From how you describe yourself, you seem like a serious young woman with high moral principles. For most man that’s a far more interesting catch than, let’s say, a sleaze looking for a bit of fun during her holiday. When you'll visit him, I bet he'll sweet talk you into having sex with him in no time. You two will be getting married anyway and for him it will be the first time too. And more predictable crab like that… Meanwhile he’s already collecting excuses to dump you afterwards, like: your parents are divorced, you’re not a Coptic Christian, you already had a boyfriend when you met him etc. etc. He wouldn’t dream of trying the same tricks on an Egyptian girl of your standard, because I guess, he could expect a visit from her father and some 6 ft. tall brothers, cousins and uncles. And he wouldn’t be happy afterwards.
If you still want to continue this “relationship”, despite all the warnings you got on this forum: be careful and be prepared for the disappointment of your life.
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quote:Originally posted by kittenstar: X asked me a lot about how I felt with bf - love, sex etc. It was then he told me he liked me even though he knew it was impossible for anyhting to happen between us but he just wanted me to know how he felt. I really opened up to X and told him why I don't wanna marry bf. It was only after I told him all this that he started to get serious with me.
I talk about those issues with close Egyptian male friends whom I've been knowing for years. But if a guy I had only met a few times and mainly knew through the internet, asked me details about my emotional and sexual life, I would be very taken aback. It's not right by my personal standards, and it's definitely not considered appropriate by Egyptian standards.
The way I see it, he was trying to suss you out, to see whether you were available or not; and when he learned that you weren't entirely happy with your boyfriend, he started pursuing you by declaring his *love*.
quote:Originally posted by kittenstar: Apparently there was another older western woman (who could offer him money and a visa) who 'fell in love' with him and wanted to marry him and he said no cos he didnt love her.
Very fishy. And the fact that he told you this makes it even fishier.
quote:Originally posted by kittenstar: X tells me he has only ever loved one other girl - some girl he went to school with but that he never told her and regretted that for a long time.
Gigolo rule #1: Every woman likes to feel she's special, so make her feel special; she's the first real love, the most beautiful one, the smartest, great in bed etc. pp. One of the easiest ways to a woman's heart.
quote:Originally posted by kittenstar: Dalia - he doesnt boast about his moral lifestyle, it's just when I ask him questions like "why dont you meet girls at parties?" he gets annoyed and says it's not his way and the girls would meet there would not be looking for love.
OK, so he's not boasting directly, but claiming his moral integrity by acting offended at your suggestions just seems strange to me. The guy has been living in a major tourist destination for years, he chatted you up on the net after meeting you with your boyfriend(!), but he's telling you he has never met a girl at a party and is still a virgin?!?
quote:Originally posted by kittenstar: With regard to him only marrying me if I prove myself to be a real Christian he means I would need to convert and be baptised in his church. He also said his Priest would need to approve of the marriage.
Well, if he loves you so much, why doesns't he consider converting?
It is just not right imo to meet a girl and declare your love and then tell her she has to change her religion. In my opinion he is keeping a back door open in case he wants to dump you. You wouldn't be the first girl that has been dumped because supposedly you are not compatible religiously, it's a popular argument.
OK, I don't know you or the guy, so I might be completely wrong in what I wrote. I'm just telling you how I would perceive the situation based on what I've observed in Egypt.
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<Gigolo rule #1: Every woman likes to feel she's special, so make her feel special; she's the first real love, the most beautiful one, the smartest etc. pp. One of the easiest ways to a woman's heart. >
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Ok everyone, thanks! I truly am thankful to everyone for all replies - whether it's what I want to hear or not! I posted here to get people's opinions. Civil Society and Pink Cherry, I agree with you that people only hear what they want to hear!
As I had asked before are there any dead giveaway signs I should look out for both when I'm chatting to him and if I actually go back to Egypt for a visit? Are there any questions I can ask him to test his real feelings? Is there anything I could say to him that would make him back off if he wasn't serious about me?
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tell him you are going over next week and you want to meet his family, and your dad wants to know if your man is good enough for YOU - ask him if he has saved anything for the shapka/dowry?
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Hi Kittenstar. I have learnt a lot about egyptian men on here. My situation is slightly different to yours as i have a child from a previous releationship so i am quite obviously not a virgin. So i have more to think about when it comes to packing up and leaving.
I would arrange a girlie holiday and arrange to see him again so you can have a better idea if you beleive him. You are young and have no ties so travelling could be fun. Just go careful and think about things before you do them. Only you can know for sure if you think he is telling the truth. When you mention anyone from a tourist place everyone goes into auto caution. Which is probably justified. Follow you head and not your heart and you'll be fine.
Vicci x
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