quote:Originally posted by Vader-: Whatever fatty. Gonna hit your table ?
Dude, I actually laughed out loud to that! LOL!
Can't say I've ever hit a pillow, well, not since i was 12 maybe. And thankfully, you've never been near my poor defenseless furniture.
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From my point of view from what i have seen, DV is very common in Egypt and they view it quite differently to the UK. If for example a sister or cousin where to be hit and beaten MOST (not all) would say *malish* think of the children, think of your husband etc. In the UK MOST family members would say leave him, if he has done it once he will do it again.
That is the difference along with the fact that women tend also to put up with more because they feel they have no options. Whereas here you can go to the police and even be given a safe house if needed, you can be given benefits/welfare and start a new life.
A friend of mine was beaten by her Egyptain husband (here in the UK) and the police installed panic buttons etc When the police contacted him, he couldn't believe that they would 'interfere' between him and his wife!
Women in Egypt do not report such things because they are scared not only from their husbands but from family members and society as a whole.
I would like to put out though that i am NOT saying ALL Egyptain couples are like this but alot are
I also think there is a difference in what people consider to be DV in Egypt - A slap, A punch, A kick is NOT considered to be that serious. Posts: 895 | Registered: Sep 2007
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Depends on what possibilities the woman has...the rate of divorce is something between 65 and 70%, and a part of it will be caused by DV. If the woman has the possibility to leave the husband, having a roof above her head, an income, food, etc. she will leave. But there are families who will consider the returning daughter as a shame, or an extra mouth to feed, etc. so they will put pressure on her to return.
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But doesn't it sound logical to you, HB? It's not thát long ago when we were in the same circumstances, also in Europe. Maybe it's a matter of age, but I can remember husbands wasting their money in bars, coming home drunk, beating up wifes because they dared to disagree. The women were not able to but food because the men were wasting it, and the men wasted it because they couldn't handle their own frustrations, the poverty, the bad life-circumstances. I think most of the men will prefer a happy life as much as their wifes are wishing, but living in poor circumstances doesn't bring out the best of us. Most of the time, it is pure frustration and ignorance. They have seen their fathers, uncles and grandfathers doing the same... That counts for a father in Egypt as it counts for a father in England.
Of course there also are cases of pure controll, domination, where money is NOT an issue. When the women are able to escape, they probably might do that. But also a numbers ofthem stays voluntairily, also in Europe. They simply haven't the courage to step out of an unlucky relationship.
So, I think the higher rate is logical and caused by what I described above.
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in egypt men doing every thing to keep their hauses protected and satisfied but in any other place the escape once the have responsibilities.
and dont ever talk about islam when u never met areal muslim in ur life u r talking only about drugs and drinks and porns then its not allowed to u to critices islam .
muslim u have met aRE NOT REAL ONCE alsoi can judge them but u never saw or knw some one praying 5 times regularly at the mosque on time.
all people u know are even drunk or drug smoker or sex looking . so please dont show these people as an example for muslims. may GOD lighten their way and may GOD bless them all including me and you all here.
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quote:Originally posted by pablo_7777: in egypt men doing every thing to keep their hauses protected and satisfied but in any other place the escape once the have responsibilities.
and dont ever talk about islam when u never met areal muslim in ur life u r talking only about drugs and drinks and porns then its not allowed to u to critices islam .
muslim u have met aRE NOT REAL ONCE alsoi can judge them but u never saw or knw some one praying 5 times regularly at the mosque on time.
all people u know are even drunk or drug smoker or sex looking . so please dont show these people as an example for muslims. may GOD lighten their way and may GOD bless them all including me and you all here.
Good Lord,you are showing your true looser butt a million-a-minute,pablo_7777
Really,truly hope WK has already run as fast and far away from YOU as she could!
Forgot to add,run fast and farthest away from him with CHILD INCLUDED,WK!
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quote:Originally posted by pablo_7777: in egypt men doing every thing to keep their hauses protected and satisfied but in any other place the escape once the have responsibilities.
and dont ever talk about islam when u never met areal muslim in ur life u r talking only about drugs and drinks and porns then its not allowed to u to critices islam .
muslim u have met aRE NOT REAL ONCE alsoi can judge them but u never saw or knw some one praying 5 times regularly at the mosque on time.
all people u know are even drunk or drug smoker or sex looking . so please dont show these people as an example for muslims. may GOD lighten their way and may GOD bless them all including me and you all here.
Your reply is for me????
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Oh PLEASE let it be me, I am SOO in the mood right now i could teach pablo how to beat the furniture up!
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My dad never ran from responsibilities, in fact he took on responsibilities that weren't his own (my brother). I know many men that haven’t run from responsibilities- you are moaning about people thinking they know about Egypt, well perhaps you shouldn’t pretend you know about England and other western countries. When families have broken up, it is law for the man to give the woman a certain percentage of his pay for looking after the children (or visa versa). Obviously you have some people who do just flee- but reading the thousands of horror stories from women with egyptians, it seems they are no different. There are many women here that have been used for money, visa's, cheated on, beaten- by Egyptian husbands. You can say "but they are not real muslims", etc- but they are still real egyptians. And just because someone does pray five times a day, doesn't mean they don't go home and give their wife a slap for not having dinner prepared.
It is hard to follow statistics on such an issue at domestic violence because: 1) people lie. 2) people have different opinions as to what qualifies as violence. In England a woman is likely to think of a slap from husband as violence, is that the same in Egypt? Do they consider it rape if it was your husband (even thats quite a recent thing here), etc.
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In USA and territories it's considered rape if done WITHOUT the woman's consent even if perpetrated by her legal husband.
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It is the same in england, but I think it is disturbingly recent. What are the "guidelines" in egypt on the issue? And if it is considered rape, what are the chances it will lead to a conviction? In fact, what are the chances the woman would report it?
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There is also something as psycholigic violence. Leaves only inner marks...
In Egypt fathers also have to pay alimony after divorce. Usually the children stay with the mother untill the age of 12 or 16 (think this has recently changed) and after that, the children choose. There is one big BUT, the children stay with the mother BUT she has to be muslim. When she isn't, the result is uncertain. Also families are considering it is important that the child gets an islamic raising up. It is the result of living in an Islamic country...
I think it will be very difficult to raise a child without knowing his/her father. At a certain age the child will ask questions, should like to know him, at least meet him. And then it will be a kind of culture-clash. Knowing what I know right now, and I know children who have been growing up in similar circumstances, I would make the egyptian culture also a part of his/her raising up. It's not of my business really, but an advice. If the child knows about two cultures, and one day he or she will go to see it with her/his own eyes, then it is more understandable.
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quote:Originally posted by weirdkitty: My dad never ran from responsibilities, in fact he took on responsibilities that weren't his own (my brother). I know many men that haven’t run from responsibilities- you are moaning about people thinking they know about Egypt, well perhaps you shouldn’t pretend you know about England and other western countries. When families have broken up, it is law for the man to give the woman a certain percentage of his pay for looking after the children (or visa versa). Obviously you have some people who do just flee- but reading the thousands of horror stories from women with egyptians, it seems they are no different. There are many women here that have been used for money, visa's, cheated on, beaten- by Egyptian husbands. You can say "but they are not real muslims", etc- but they are still real egyptians. And just because someone does pray five times a day, doesn't mean they don't go home and give their wife a slap for not having dinner prepared.
It is hard to follow statistics on such an issue at domestic violence because: 1) people lie. 2) people have different opinions as to what qualifies as violence. In England a woman is likely to think of a slap from husband as violence, is that the same in Egypt? Do they consider it rape if it was your husband (even thats quite a recent thing here), etc.
I'm clapping here! great post.
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quote:Originally posted by weirdkitty: It is the same in england, but I think it is disturbingly recent. What are the "guidelines" in egypt on the issue? And if it is considered rape, what are the chances it will lead to a conviction? In fact, what are the chances the woman would report it?
A husband cannot rape his lawfull wife in Egypt.
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quote: In Egypt fathers also have to pay alimony after divorce. Usually the children stay with the mother untill the age of 12 or 16 (think this has recently changed) and after that, the children choose.
I couldn't imagine how damaging that would be for a child to have to pick a parent. No kid should be in that situation, especially when so young. It is like sticking a child in the middle and demanding it tell you who it loves more.
quote: I think it will be very difficult to raise a child without knowing his/her father
Who is raising a child who wont know its father?? Did I miss something??
quote: I would make the egyptian culture also a part of his/her raising up. It's not of my business really, but an advice.
Once again- who is talking about this, what have I missed? I don't remember anyone talking about children being excluded for half it heritage. We're talking about violence.
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i was told there are no prostitutes in egypt.. and no druggies and etc,, like its so good there.. well like i said walid mmmmu dont see it cas u dont choose to see it...no matter where u go in the world all of our countries have the same going ons... no matter of religions..and who are u pablo for saying this or that person is not a real muslim.. if u can sy this openly about someone then u too are not a real muslim.. look how u treat yr wife... i consider that dogish...good if u was my man i woulda beat u down for talkin to me and treatin me like sh it.....
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quote:Originally posted by weirdkitty: It is the same in england, but I think it is disturbingly recent. What are the "guidelines" in egypt on the issue? And if it is considered rape, what are the chances it will lead to a conviction? In fact, what are the chances the woman would report it?
A husband cannot rape his lawfull wife in Egypt.
is that because it's not considered rape if she is his wife, or because it is against the law?
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It is not considered as rape because she is his wife. The same as it was in our countries.
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in usa rape is rape no matter if u know the person or if u rape a stranger...here a man can go to jail if he rapes his wife.. no is no...
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quote: In Egypt fathers also have to pay alimony after divorce. Usually the children stay with the mother untill the age of 12 or 16 (think this has recently changed) and after that, the children choose.
I couldn't imagine how damaging that would be for a child to have to pick a parent. No kid should be in that situation, especially when so young. It is like sticking a child in the middle and demanding it tell you who it loves more.
quote: I think it will be very difficult to raise a child without knowing his/her father
Who is raising a child who wont know its father?? Did I miss something??
quote: I would make the egyptian culture also a part of his/her raising up. It's not of my business really, but an advice.
Once again- who is talking about this, what have I missed? I don't remember anyone talking about children being excluded for half it heritage. We're talking about violence.
In that case, I must have misunderstood. Sorry.
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quote:Originally posted by pablo_7777: in egypt men doing every thing to keep their hauses protected and satisfied but in any other place the escape once the have responsibilities.
and dont ever talk about islam when u never met areal muslim in ur life u r talking only about drugs and drinks and porns then its not allowed to u to critices islam .
muslim u have met aRE NOT REAL ONCE alsoi can judge them but u never saw or knw some one praying 5 times regularly at the mosque on time.
all people u know are even drunk or drug smoker or sex looking . so please dont show these people as an example for muslims. may GOD lighten their way and may GOD bless them all including me and you all here.
So you think that your a "good" muslim and a "real" muslim then
I really haven't said too much as I feel I shouldnt be adding to your very bad behavior in putting WK's personal life on the internet. However the more you go on the more you remind me of Yanal,another egyptian male jerk who did the same thing to his ex on here. Since I had a relationship that ended and my egyptian ex NEVER acted in any manner less than dignified, he never plastered our personal story on here nor would he ever as he is a nice caring person, it makes me realize that a jerk is a jerk no matter what nationality or religion you are and that you are an abusive, arrogant butthead !!! You have shown all of us that you really have very little class and you are trying to cover up your insecurities about your manood on this forum by picking at your PREGNANT wife and verbally bashing and abusing her .
So please , someone like you should never have the nerve to tell us on here that we dont know "real" muslims or "good" muslims . . Many of us, including myself, are married to real muslims and they certainly would never abuse us NOR would they EVER harrass a vulnerable Pregnant Woman either
You are a bottom dweller and I say shame on you, you have no dignity, grow up and stop posting on here because frankly we really dont care to hear your vile, nasty spew any longer!!!!! Posts: 1121 | From: Too crazy to look at a freakin map to find out.. | Registered: Sep 2006
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quote:Originally posted by pablo_7777: in egypt men doing every thing to keep their hauses protected and satisfied but in any other place the escape once the have responsibilities.
and dont ever talk about islam when u never met areal muslim in ur life u r talking only about drugs and drinks and porns then its not allowed to u to critices islam .
muslim u have met aRE NOT REAL ONCE alsoi can judge them but u never saw or knw some one praying 5 times regularly at the mosque on time.
all people u know are even drunk or drug smoker or sex looking . so please dont show these people as an example for muslims. may GOD lighten their way and may GOD bless them all including me and you all here.
So you think that your a "good" muslim and a "real" muslim then
I really haven't said too much as I feel I shouldnt be adding to your very bad behavior in putting WK's personal life on the internet. However the more you go on the more you remind me of Yanal,another egyptian male jerk who did the same thing to his ex on here. Since I had a relationship that ended and my egyptian ex NEVER acted in any manner less than dignified, he never plastered our personal story on here nor would he ever as he is a nice caring person, it makes me realize that a jerk is a jerk no matter what nationality or religion you are and that you are an abusive, arrogant butthead !!! You have shown all of us that you really have very little class and you are trying to cover up your insecurities about your manood on this forum by picking at your PREGNANT wife and verbally bashing and abusing her .
So please , someone like you should never have the nerve to tell us on here that we dont know "real" muslims or "good" muslims . . Many of us, including myself, are married to real muslims and they certainly would never abuse us NOR would they EVER harrass a vulnerable Pregnant Woman either
You are a bottom dweller and I say shame on you, you have no dignity, grow up and stop posting on here because frankly we really dont care to hear your vile, nasty spew any longer!!!!!
here here well said...i second that... girl if walid came on here sayin all that i would so drop him like a hot potatoe...
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quote:Originally posted by Lady Ferret: I was talking about IN EGYPT alone. DV is more common in Muslim households than in any other. Geez, I was taking the piss!
Good God people cant you step back and SEE for a change??
here it is step by step:
"In Egypt alone DV is more common in Muslim households than in any other"
BECAUSE
In Egypt alone THERE ARE MORE MUSLIM HOUSEHOLDS THAN ANY OTHER!!
duh!!
YAY... do a little dance!!! Without drawing pictures I was struggling
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i havnt ever said that im good muslim every one has his own mistakes but there are some trying to fix every thing out. and the others just like u (rumi) just rude and dont have to say aword on here coz every time we talk that u involve my story in it and attake my my relationship with WK.
u r the one with no dignity and u r the one who wants to destroy others so dont talke about violance coz u r like alioness .
we were talking about the egyptian muslim husbands then u changed the topic to talk about my relation ship with WK . i already stoped talking about it and apologized to her and now im sure she is okay with me.
may be lil angry but she promised me that she will be okay so forget to set the fire again between me and WK.
im sorry WK for every thing and i hope u will be clear to me soon.
after i saw RUMI here i recognized how good u are .
i havnt ever insulted some one here but u RUMI deserve that but i will not care about what u said coz u r just very little thing ant. behalve before talking to me again or i never want to hear from u coz i will never here ur voice miss ant.
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Even Egyptians will translate it differently. TAP a women to show her she needs guidance, being the less abusive translation I have heard. Then how do you define TAP.
No matter what, it still instructs men to employ their power over women.
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Pablo I have to say my bit now having read all that has been posted. You say 'I only hit a pillow', pillow, wardrobe, table actually it doesn't matter, you have obviously got anger issues which no woman has to put up with! The sad thing is you will marry an Egyptian girl who will only discover your temper after legal marriage and it will be to late for her sadly Posts: 4476 | From: Scotland | Registered: Mar 2006
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quote:Originally posted by pablo_7777: she will be the happiest girl on earth
Pablo you have a very high opinion of yourself... it's a pity that those that know you well don't share your opinion...GIVE IT A REST, ALREADY!!!
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pablo its good u wanna take care of yr baby.. thats a good start. now start on yr personal issues...for instance...u want her to understand u.. what about u going 1/2 way to understand her.. its not all about u pablo.. women wanna be treated good and with respect..if yr trying to be babied all the time then u might as well marry yrself cas no woman wants a baby.. we all need a man...having a child doesnt automaticaly make u a man...it just makes u need to fullfill more responsibilities... as long as yr taking care of yr baby then nothin else matters cas i am sure the way u are taolkin now she wont take u back.. grow some balls and be a man dude.. quit saying she dont understand me.. so freakin what.. yr not even tryin to understand her.. she was in yr country alone for u..so that right there proves she was trying to understand u alone.. but u didnt give her a chance to adjust to a new life... u throw all of u in her face and say u dont understand me.. well boo hoo...
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i wanna tell u some thing about my self i lived in avery familir socity some times suffer and some times fighting and some other time happy and my life was not always happy untill i met WK it was the first time i feel that happeness thats why i decided to marry her but in mean time my family have to accept her thats why it took me 8 months untill i introduced her to my family ( i know thats too much time ) but if i did that early they might not accept her (the result) now my family like her and agree to marry her ( i believe if ur family happy with ur wife then u will live afabulouse life away from any problems)
thats why i told her to be covered and not to drink coz its not normal in egypt for some one to wear short or uncovered cloths at least in my socity. i trust her so much and telling her to cover dosnt mean that i dont trust or respect her as when she was in egypt i was very happy about how much she is in wide and long dresses and i thought that she is happy with that.
she saw my family and saw how much they cover if she try to be like them they will be more than happy with her. im not asking her to be like them but at least she must try to let them feel that she is one of the family. we decided to legalize our marriage on june and make abig party in egypt but now she is pregnant and it will give me some hard time to let my family informed and u can ask any one who claims that he knows every thing about the egyptian muslim socity. if she was not pregnant i would have told my family i will marry her when she comes on june but now i should think about how can i introduce the baby for them ( its so hard time for the parents when they know that thier son have ababy with out getting married.
but i will try to solve this problem and i hope i can succeed as soon as posible.
they will accept the baby coz it is still my baby but they might be angry with me coz i didnt informe them about that marriage before. my family is very important to me same like WK.
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