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There is a ritual which Egyptains used to use on their enemies called execration. They would often put names of enemies in papyri and burn these names. Many times the Egyptains would also make clay models of their traditional enemies,and destoy them.
Such traditions still exist in some parts of Africa,and even in Fellahin villages in rual parts of Egypt.
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I have never seen any reference to this practice elsewhere in Africa, but most definitely it continues in Egypt in an unbroken tradition from ancient to modern times. In fact, I wrote an article that was published last year on exactly this topic, entitled "Ancient Egyptian Execration Magic in Coptic and Islamic Egypt." Regardless of what color their skin is, the fact that the practice has remained in use by both Muslims and Copts in Egypt in an unbroken tradition demonstrates that modern Egypt is the place with the strongest cultural connections with ancient Egypt, NOT other parts of Africa. I will post a reference to the book later if anyone is interested in reading it.
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Have you studied any African cultures outside of Egypt? Moustafa Gadalla, an Egyptian Egyptologist, wrote a book called Exiled Egyptians, about how Egyptians spread different aspects of their culture to other parts of Africa. It is quite interesting and I would recommend it to you.
With very little knowledge of the ancient Egyptian language, linguists decided that ancient Egypt and its language would be the dominion of their fellow academic Egyptologists. As a consequence, they left the subject of the ancient Egyptian language alone. They followed up with their compartmental/territorial thinking, by stating emphatically that there is absolutely no relationship between ancient Egypt and sub-Sahara African languages. They ended the issue there, with no room for discussion. The emphatic statement is indicative of a lack of substance.
Academic Egyptologists claim that they have deciphered and understand the ancient Egyptian language. But do they?
Deciphering the ancient Egyptian language began with Champollion (ca. 1822), but practically ended then. He made some assumptions to unlock the mysteries of the ancient Egyptian language. Later, Egyptologists carelessly made more and more assumptions. They kept piling assumptions on top of assumptions. They made up rules as they went along. The end result was chaos. One can easily see the struggle of academia, to understand the ancient Egyptian language, which reached a dead end, as is reflected in an apparent “deciphering” of no more than 1500 words that have contradictory and confusing meanings...
Despite the wishful thinking of the Arabs and Western academia, the ancient Egyptian language never died. The colloquial language in Egypt has retained much of the ancient language. This colloquial language is unrelated to Arabic in vocabulary and grammatical structure.
There are two areas where linguists and Egyptologists should focus their studies:
- Remote areas of Egypt, where the people speak, among themselves, the genuine ancient language.
- Outside Egypt, where the indigenous Egyptians fled, and where Arabic and Islam were not forced.
But that would be an admission of their present sham!
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''Egypt in an unbroken tradition demonstrates that modern Egypt is the place with the strongest cultural connections with ancient Egypt, NOT other parts of Africa''
Yes,but many cultures in Africa are similar. Many early egyptologist like budge pointed this out,and I know budge is old fashioned and nobody rtead his material anymore. Ga Wainright wrote a paper which appeared in the Journal of Ancient Egyptain archeology,that talkked about Pharonic survials further south. I am no way trying to disconnect Egypt from Egyptains,just staing that customs and culture exchange,and some survials of Ancient egyptain culture can be seen furtrher south in Africa.
Execration tradions do occur in other African traditions,such as some Western African groups I have seen with making a model of their enemy and destoying it.
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You can consider it that if you wish. Rual egyptains have a thing called a Zar,which many use as a form of healing and sometimes pocession rituals. Not many Westeners have witnessed these events except for some Anthropologist. These rituals take place by Sheikhs,and are usually disguised as Islamic,but indeed they are phaoranic.
It is documented in the book THe fellahin of Upper egypt by Winifred S. Blackman.
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AUSAR SAYS: You can consider it that if you wish. Rural egyptains have a thing called a Zar,which many use as a form of healing and sometimes pocession rituals
Obenga responds: If this is so then it is something that is practiced throughout West Africa, the Caribbean, and Brazil. In Jamaica it is called Obeah, used to curse and kill enemies, healing, to remove curses, and improve ones life. Is "Zar" similar to this??
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It seems the Egyptian government has tried to supress some of the indigenous practices of the Egyptian baladi.
quote: The Arab (Islamic) Egyptian Police State
Contrary to the popular notion that Egypt is a "secular" state, its laws and actions show otherwise. Most oppressive measures go unnoticed in the world public opinion. The authorities of Egypt, at its highest level, are engaged in a pitiful campaign against indigenous traditions. An example can be found in a news item that was published in Al-Ahram (the largest newspaper in Egypt), in their Friday edition of 21 Apr 2000. For Al-Ahram to publish this, and similar items, on a regular basis, is indicative of a scare tactic campaign to terrorize the defenseless population of Egypt. The police department in Cairo continued its efforts to find the outlaws and those who practiced magic, charlatanism, etc, when they arrested a "charlatan" (61 years old) who performs zars (exorcism, etc) at her apartment in El Waylee, assisted by another 8 persons. The article goes on to say that the lady, whose name is Sadeeka Hasan Mohammed Gad, convinced her victims, especially young women, of her ability to solve their marital and health problems. There were three of these young women present at dawn when the suspects were arrested. This police operation was in accordance with directives from the First Lieutenant to the Interior (Police) Ministry, who ordered the intensification of finding people who practice magic, …etc.
The above is a sample of the activities used to impose Islam on the people of Egypt, and suppress the indigenous beliefs of the Egyptians. In a democracy, other people's views and actions don't need to make sense to the thugs of the Egyptian Interior (Police) Ministry.
Because of religious fear and intimidation, the Baladi (silent majority) Egyptians learned to camouflage their ancient traditions under an Islamic exterior. This is described in their common saying, "playing with an egg (traditions) and a stone (Islamic authority)", so as not to break the fragile egg with the [tyranny] of the stone.
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A form of Execration appears in the bible, Jeremiah ch 19, v 11. He curses israel and smashes some pottery on the ground after the curse.
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A similar for of voodoo is practiced in the Southern U.S. by Afr-Amers. They call it hoodoo, or roots. Like voodoo it deals with spell based attacks and dead spirits.
That could have its origins in Kemet. It doesn't sound very far off from the ancient Egyptian who wrote a letter to his dead wife asking why she was causing him misfortune.
quote:Originally posted by Obenga: Obenga responds: If this is so then it is something that is practiced throughout West Africa, the Caribbean, and Brazil. In Jamaica it is called Obeah, used to curse and kill enemies, healing, to remove curses, and improve ones life. Is "Zar" similar to this??
This makes you wonder about who the West Africans are and where did they come from. How do they know so much about ancient Egypt? Are the Egyptians and West Africans from the same place?
quote:Originally posted by HERU: Are the Egyptians and West Africans from the same place?
Well they originate from the same stock of people, so this is likely why they share so many similarities. Ausar has posted a number of articles on this issue.
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