quote:S. Mohammad wrote: Wrong again moron, Passarino didn't use the E3b Y chromosone in his study moron
It's obvious that distortion junkie EuroDisney is accustomed to lieing to the uninformed and so not getting caught. He's a lousy act performed in front of a skeptical audience.....wrong place at the wrong time.
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quote:Originally posted by S.Mohammad: Are you sure you're not confusing E3a with YAP+? Perhaps the E3a in southern Egypt belongs to a different subclade. E3a with the M2 mutation is signature of Bantu migrations south.
Thought Posts:
S.O.Y. Keita American Journal of Human Biology 16:679-689 (2004)
"The M2 lineage is mainly found primarily in "eastern", "sub-saharan", and sub-equatorial African groups, those with the highest frequency of the "Broad" trend physiognomy, but found also in notable frequencies in Nubia and Upper Egypt, as indicated by the RFLP TaqI 49a, f variant IV (see Lucotte and Mercier, 2003; Al-Zahery et al. 2003 for equivalecies of markers), which is affiliated with it. The distribution of these markers in other parts of Africa has usually been explained by the "Bantu migrations", but their presence in the Nile Valley in non-Bantu speakers cannot be explained in this way. Their existence is better explained by their being present in populations of the early Holocene Sahara, who in part went on to people the Nile Valley in the mid-Holocene, according to Hassan (1988); this occured long before the "Bantu migrations", which also do not exlain the high frequency of M2 in Senegal, since there are no Bantu speakers there either".
quote:Originally posted by Thought2: Thought Posts:
S.O.Y. Keita American Journal of Human Biology 16:679-689 (2004)
"The M2 lineage is mainly found primarily in "eastern", "sub-saharan", and sub-equatorial African groups, those with the highest frequency of the "Broad" trend physiognomy, but found also in notable frequencies in Nubia and Upper Egypt, as indicated by the RFLP TaqI 49a, f variant IV (see Lucotte and Mercier, 2003; Al-Zahery et al. 2003 for equivalecies of markers), which is affiliated with it. The distribution of these markers in other parts of Africa has usually been explained by the "Bantu migrations", but their presence in the Nile Valley in non-Bantu speakers cannot be explained in this way. Their existence is better explained by their being present in populations of the early Holocene Sahara, who in part went on to people the Nile Valley in the mid-Holocene, according to Hassan (1988); this occured long before the "Bantu migrations", which also do not exlain the high frequency of M2 in Senegal, since there are no Bantu speakers there either".
quote:Originally posted by S.Mohammad: As for Salas et tal, his study did NOT conclude that the Ethiopian maternal contribution came from West and central Africans.
Read the study. Many of the L1 and L2 sequences in eastern Africa are attributed to Bantu migrations. But regardless, they were not part of the original East African stock that spawned all non-Africans. The relationship between L3 and L(xL3) is analogous to that between E3b and E(xE3b). In both cases, the former characterizes pre-Negroid populations that mostly left Africa, and the latter the Negroid populations that developed and spread afterwards within Africa:
"The joint occurrence of E3a-M2 and E3b-M35 chromosomes in the East African (Tanzania and Kenya) and Central African (Hutu and Tutsi) populations (fig. 1) represents a convergence of independent demographic events. The E3b-M35-related lineages may be a legacy left by earlier inhabitants. As indicated above, E3a-M2 was most likely introduced into the region later by Bantu speakers from the west."
[Luis et al. (2004) The Levant versus the Horn of Africa: Evidence for Bidirectional Corridors of Human Migrations. Am J Hum Genet; 74]
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quote:But regardless, they were not part of the original East African stock that spawned all non-Africans
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All non-Africans [not just Europeans] today are descended from an L3 type, which gave rise to two founder types outside Africa. The group leaving Africa must have been very small, given that only that L3 type survived. - Peter Forster, DNA Chronology of Human Dispersal
...can you rise above your petty ethnic jingoism enough to comprehend that all non africans includes the Chinese, the Melanesians, not just Europeans?
quote:Originally posted by Evil Euro: In both cases, the former characterizes pre-Negroid populations that mostly left Africa, and the latter the Negroid populations that developed and spread afterwards within Africa
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Thought Writes:
For the THIRD time, please tell us what a Negroid is in scientific terms?
quote:Originally posted by Evil Euro: Ethiopians have between 6% and 17% E(xE3b) according to Cruciani, but that's beside the point since Passarino determined that their Negroid component is mostly maternal, as the Salas study confirms. Paternally, most of their heritage is Caucasoid (i.e. E3b).
Thought Writes:
Please post a quote from Passarino saying any such thing.
quote:Originally posted by Evil Euro: Are you blind or just stupid? 50% of East African mtDNA belongs to sub-Saharan haplogroups (L1 and L2) that were not part of the Out-of-Africa migrations (L3 is the source of non-African mtDNA). This means that those lineages entered East Africa from other parts of the continent after OOA, making modern East Africans distinct from pre-historic ones.
Thought Posts:
Salas et al. 2002
"The main puzzle is the almost ubiquitous haplogroup L2a, which we suggest may have become prevalent somewhere in north Central Africa, spreading BOTH east and west along the Sahel belt ~20,000 years ago at the peak of the LGM (or somewhat earlier)."
Thought Writes:
Point being, East and West Africans shared common female mtDNA and male Y Chromosome lineages BEFORE the Holocene dispersal of Sub-Saharan derived M35 lineages out of Africa and into southern Europe.
quote:Originally posted by Super car: What criteria justifies the application of "caucasoid" to a haplogroup of sub-Saharan tropical African origin?
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Thought Writes:
It is an absurd and disingenuous tactic designed as a last minute attempt to “purify” southern Europeans from the RECENT Sub-Saharan lineages DNA is beginning to reveal.
"By contrast, the commoner haplogroup L3b is predominantly West African, with a substantial representation again in African-Americans. It has spilled over into North Africa and on into the Near East."
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quote:Originally posted by Evil Euro: [B] Read the study. Many of the L1 and L2 sequences in eastern Africa are attributed to Bantu migrations.
Wrong moron, read the groups characterized as 'East African' in this study, very little of their mtDNA come from Bantu migrations, are you hard of reading? Of those East African groups tested, only Kikuyu and some Somalis in Kenya are the likely carriers of so-called bantu mtDNA, Bantu nigrations never went into Ethiopia nor Sudan so the question still remains: where is your proof that Ethiopians are a mixture of West Africans and Middle Easterners?
quote:But regardless, they were not part of the original East African stock that spawned all non-Africans. The relationship between L3 and L(xL3) is analogous to that between E3b and E(xE3b). In both cases, the former characterizes pre-Negroid populations that mostly left Africa, and the latter the Negroid populations that developed and spread afterwards within Africa:
All of this talk about 'pre-Negroid this and that is irrelevant, for OOA migrants carrying left Africa 70,000 years ago, long before the emergence of any human races. None of this DNA crap has anything to do with the physically traits of the people.
quote:Originally posted by Roy_2k5: Right now we know that Meds are heterogenous, and so do the Nordic Supremists (Nordic Afrocentrics). I see no point in this silly thread continueing, because it was already proven that Ethiopians are not hybrids.
This guy is just suffering from an identity crisis, because he can no longer cling on to this pure race fallacy.
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That Moroccan women is a Caucasian, because of foreign invasions. Just because a nation is Caucasoid today, doesn't mean it was a 100% Caucasoid before the invasions. The US wasn't a Caucasoid nation before Columbus but today it is.
So is Hitler and the Nordic Supremists Afro nuts too? You are really just a blind child.
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So what do you call the north and east africa people? You can not call them negros, because they are not negros. The north and east africa people are from arab tribes. The ancestry are arabs. Read arab history. Even the look, tradition, language are different. Look west african or south african girl and look north african or east african girl, they have different ancestry. North african or east african have dark or brown skin, that do not make them negros. they are not negros or white, they are arab tribes. Donot try to make up stories.
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We all have our own ancestry. Every body have to know all african are not the same, or negros. The west or south african people try to compair with north and east african people. The west and south have different ancestry. They have different look and different tradition.
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quote:So what do you call the north and east africa people?
How about, North and East African people.
quote:The north and east africa people are from arab tribes.
lol. The Berber of North Africa are distinct from the Arabs and have lived in North Africa for thousands of years before an Arab existed even in 'Arabia'. The Nilotic and Cushites of East Africa are the aboriginal peoples of East Africa. Arab's make up only a small minority of East Africa.
You may want to read African (not Arab) history, and clue yourself in.
quote:Originally posted by rasol: How about, North and East African people.
[QUOTE]The north and east africa people are from arab tribes.
lol. The Berber of North Africa are distinct from the Arabs and have lived in North Africa for thousands of years before an Arab existed even in 'Arabia'. The Nilotic and Cushites of East Africa are the aboriginal peoples of East Africa. Arab's make up only a small minority of East Africa.
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I am the tribe of Rashada in Eritrea. The Rashada are arab tribes read history.
A paucity of written historical evidence forces the student of early Somalia to depend on the findings of archeology, anthropology, historical linguistics, and related disciplines. Such evidence has provided insights that in some cases have refuted conventional explanations of the origins and evolution of the Somali people. For example, where historians once believed that the Somalis originated on the Red Sea's western coast, or perhaps in southern Arabia, it now seems clear that the ancestral homeland of the Somalis, together with affiliated Cushite peoples, was in the highlands of southern Ethiopia, specifically in the lake regions. Similarly, the once-common notion that the migration and settlement of early Muslim followers of the Prophet Muhammad on the Somali coast in the early centuries of Islam had a significant impact on the Somalis no longer enjoys much academic support. Scholars now recognize that the Arab factor--except for the Somalis' conversion to Islam--is marginal to understanding the Somali past. Furthermore, conventional wisdom once held that Somali migrations followed a north-to-south route; the reverse of this now appears to be nearer the truth.
Increasingly, evidence places the Somalis within a wide family of peoples called Eastern Cushites by modern linguists and described earlier in some instances as Hamites. From a broader cultural-linguistic perspective, the Cushite family belongs to a vast stock of languages and peoples considered Afro-Asiatic. Afro-Asiatic languages in turn include Cushitic (principally Somali, Oromo, and Afar), the Hausa language of Nigeria, and the Semitic languages of Arabic, Hebrew, and Amharic. Medieval Arabs referred to the Eastern Cushites as the Berberi.
In addition to the Somalis, the Cushites include the largely nomadic Afar (Danakil), who straddle the Great Rift Valley between Ethiopia and Djibouti; the Oromo, who have played such a large role in Ethiopian history and in the 1990s constituted roughly one-half of the Ethiopian population and were also numerous in northern Kenya; the Reendille (Rendilli) of Kenya; and the Aweera (Boni) along the Lamu coast in Kenya. The Somalis belong to a subbranch of the Cushites, the Omo-Tana group, whose languages are almost mutually intelligible. The original home of the Omo-Tana group appears to have been on the Omo and Tana rivers, in an area extending from Lake Turkana in present-day northern Kenya to the Indian Ocean coast.
The Somalis form a subgroup of the Omo-Tana called Sam. Having split from the main stream of Cushite peoples about the first half of the first millennium B.C., the proto-Sam appear to have spread to the grazing plains of northern Kenya, where protoSam communities seem to have followed the Tana River and to have reached the Indian Ocean coast well before the first century A.D. On the coast, the proto-Sam splintered further; one group (the Boni) remained on the Lamu Archipelago, and the other moved northward to populate southern Somalia. There the group's members eventually developed a mixed economy based on farming and animal husbandry, a mode of life still common in southern Somalia. Members of the proto-Sam who came to occupy the Somali Peninsula were known as the so-called Samaale, or Somaal, a clear reference to the mythical father figure of the main Somali clan-families, whose name gave rise to the term Somali.
The Samaale again moved farther north in search of water and pasturelands. They swept into the vast Ogaden (Ogaadeen) plains, reaching the southern shore of the Red Sea by the first century A.D. German scholar Bernd Heine, who wrote in the 1970s on early Somali history, observed that the Samaale had occupied the entire Horn of Africa by approximately 100 A.D.http://countrystudies.us/somalia/3.htm
quote:Originally posted by rasol: ORIGINS OF THE SOMALI:
A paucity of written historical evidence forces the student of early Somalia to depend on the findings of archeology, anthropology, historical linguistics, and related disciplines. Such evidence has provided insights that in some cases have refuted conventional explanations of the origins and evolution of the Somali people. For example, where historians once believed that the Somalis originated on the Red Sea's western coast, or perhaps in southern Arabia, it now seems clear that the ancestral homeland of the Somalis, together with affiliated Cushite peoples, was in the highlands of southern Ethiopia, specifically in the lake regions. Similarly, the once-common notion that the migration and settlement of early Muslim followers of the Prophet Muhammad on the Somali coast in the early centuries of Islam had a significant impact on the Somalis no longer enjoys much academic support. Scholars now recognize that the [b]Arab factor--except for the Somalis' conversion to Islam--is marginal to understanding the Somali past. Furthermore, conventional wisdom once held that Somali migrations followed a north-to-south route; the reverse of this now appears to be nearer the truth.
Increasingly, evidence places the Somalis within a wide family of peoples called Eastern Cushites by modern linguists and described earlier in some instances as Hamites. From a broader cultural-linguistic perspective, the Cushite family belongs to a vast stock of languages and peoples considered Afro-Asiatic. Afro-Asiatic languages in turn include Cushitic (principally Somali, Oromo, and Afar), the Hausa language of Nigeria, and the Semitic languages of Arabic, Hebrew, and Amharic. Medieval Arabs referred to the Eastern Cushites as the Berberi.
In addition to the Somalis, the Cushites include the largely nomadic Afar (Danakil), who straddle the Great Rift Valley between Ethiopia and Djibouti; the Oromo, who have played such a large role in Ethiopian history and in the 1990s constituted roughly one-half of the Ethiopian population and were also numerous in northern Kenya; the Reendille (Rendilli) of Kenya; and the Aweera (Boni) along the Lamu coast in Kenya. The Somalis belong to a subbranch of the Cushites, the Omo-Tana group, whose languages are almost mutually intelligible. The original home of the Omo-Tana group appears to have been on the Omo and Tana rivers, in an area extending from Lake Turkana in present-day northern Kenya to the Indian Ocean coast.
The Somalis form a subgroup of the Omo-Tana called Sam. Having split from the main stream of Cushite peoples about the first half of the first millennium B.C., the proto-Sam appear to have spread to the grazing plains of northern Kenya, where protoSam communities seem to have followed the Tana River and to have reached the Indian Ocean coast well before the first century A.D. On the coast, the proto-Sam splintered further; one group (the Boni) remained on the Lamu Archipelago, and the other moved northward to populate southern Somalia. There the group's members eventually developed a mixed economy based on farming and animal husbandry, a mode of life still common in southern Somalia. Members of the proto-Sam who came to occupy the Somali Peninsula were known as the so-called Samaale, or Somaal, a clear reference to the mythical father figure of the main Somali clan-families, whose name gave rise to the term Somali.
The Samaale again moved farther north in search of water and pasturelands. They swept into the vast Ogaden (Ogaadeen) plains, reaching the southern shore of the Red Sea by the first century A.D. German scholar Bernd Heine, who wrote in the 1970s on early Somali history, observed that the Samaale had occupied the entire Horn of Africa by approximately 100 A.D.http://countrystudies.us/somalia/3.htm
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what are you writing about? What have somalia with rashada to do ?
quote:he north and east africa people are from arab tribes
That is incorrect. The reply on the origins of cushitic people in East Africa is relevant to why your claim is wrong. Your statements about the rashada do not justify your inaccurate statements about the origins of North and East African people which are not Arabic.
quote:Originally posted by rasol: ORIGINS OF THE SOMALI:
A paucity of written historical evidence forces the student of early Somalia to depend on the findings of archeology, anthropology, historical linguistics, and related disciplines. Such evidence has provided insights that in some cases have refuted conventional explanations of the origins and evolution of the Somali people. For example, where historians once believed that the Somalis originated on the Red Sea's western coast, or perhaps in southern Arabia, it now seems clear that the ancestral homeland of the Somalis, together with affiliated Cushite peoples, was in the highlands of southern Ethiopia, specifically in the lake regions. Similarly, the once-common notion that the migration and settlement of early Muslim followers of the Prophet Muhammad on the Somali coast in the early centuries of Islam had a significant impact on the Somalis no longer enjoys much academic support. Scholars now recognize that the [b]Arab factor--except for the Somalis' conversion to Islam--is marginal to understanding the Somali past. Furthermore, conventional wisdom once held that Somali migrations followed a north-to-south route; the reverse of this now appears to be nearer the truth.
Increasingly, evidence places the Somalis within a wide family of peoples called Eastern Cushites by modern linguists and described earlier in some instances as Hamites. From a broader cultural-linguistic perspective, the Cushite family belongs to a vast stock of languages and peoples considered Afro-Asiatic. Afro-Asiatic languages in turn include Cushitic (principally Somali, Oromo, and Afar), the Hausa language of Nigeria, and the Semitic languages of Arabic, Hebrew, and Amharic. Medieval Arabs referred to the Eastern Cushites as the Berberi.
In addition to the Somalis, the Cushites include the largely nomadic Afar (Danakil), who straddle the Great Rift Valley between Ethiopia and Djibouti; the Oromo, who have played such a large role in Ethiopian history and in the 1990s constituted roughly one-half of the Ethiopian population and were also numerous in northern Kenya; the Reendille (Rendilli) of Kenya; and the Aweera (Boni) along the Lamu coast in Kenya. The Somalis belong to a subbranch of the Cushites, the Omo-Tana group, whose languages are almost mutually intelligible. The original home of the Omo-Tana group appears to have been on the Omo and Tana rivers, in an area extending from Lake Turkana in present-day northern Kenya to the Indian Ocean coast.
The Somalis form a subgroup of the Omo-Tana called Sam. Having split from the main stream of Cushite peoples about the first half of the first millennium B.C., the proto-Sam appear to have spread to the grazing plains of northern Kenya, where protoSam communities seem to have followed the Tana River and to have reached the Indian Ocean coast well before the first century A.D. On the coast, the proto-Sam splintered further; one group (the Boni) remained on the Lamu Archipelago, and the other moved northward to populate southern Somalia. There the group's members eventually developed a mixed economy based on farming and animal husbandry, a mode of life still common in southern Somalia. Members of the proto-Sam who came to occupy the Somali Peninsula were known as the so-called Samaale, or Somaal, a clear reference to the mythical father figure of the main Somali clan-families, whose name gave rise to the term Somali.
The Samaale again moved farther north in search of water and pasturelands. They swept into the vast Ogaden (Ogaadeen) plains, reaching the southern shore of the Red Sea by the first century A.D. German scholar Bernd Heine, who wrote in the 1970s on early Somali history, observed that the Samaale had occupied the entire Horn of Africa by approximately 100 A.D.http://countrystudies.us/somalia/3.htm
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You must be one of this europian, changing a story like, they make up lies about other nation. All blah blah
quote:Originally posted by rasol: Please then, take the opportunity to correct whatever is wrong with the above information on Cushite origins.
Please be specific.
We welcome the opportunity to learn.
Thank you.
I am not saying all are the same. The fact is you can not compair all with west or south african tribes. I agree with you on one point, by saying in north or east africa are different types of people and different tribes, but they are not the same tribes. Even in east africa the poeple have different language and different tradition. In eritrea is 9 different language and 9 tribes.
quote:Originally posted by rasol: You are African? Why do you continue to refer to African ethnic groups has 'tribes'?
[QUOTE] I agree with you on one point, by saying in north or east africa are different types of people
and most are not of Arab origin, correct, that is the MAIN POINT i wished to convey to you.
quote: Even in east africa the poeple have different language and different tradition. In eritrea is 9 different language
Err, yes, that is also a part of what I wish to convey so, glad you agree.
However, there is one more thing you need to understand....West Africa and South Africa also have diverse langauges and traditions.
The language of the Hausa peoples connect them to the Somali.
The native tongue of Kenya connects it to Gabon.
The physical appearance of the Taureg and Fulani connect them to the Nubians and Masai.
The genetic makeup of the Berta of Sudan connect them to Borano of Kenya.
The religious beliefs of Senegal connects it to Egypt, and so on.
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well, we agree on one point. however, that is not mean they have the same tribes. Every nations have his own tribes. Like in egypt, they have different typ of people, all are not the same. Like the white people propoganda by making queen sheba and cleopatra as a white blond woman. That was in history channal, i was shocked by it. The first time in my life, i saw such a lie story. I have no word for that. The white barbaric people tradition is steeling story from other nation. But not all the same.
quote:Originally posted by rasol: You are African? Why do you continue to refer to African ethnic groups has 'tribes'?
[QUOTE] I agree with you on one point, by saying in north or east africa are different types of people
and most are not of Arab origin, correct, that is the MAIN POINT i wished to convey to you.
quote: Even in east africa the poeple have different language and different tradition. In eritrea is 9 different language
Err, yes, that is also a part of what I wish to convey so, glad you agree.
However, there is one more thing you need to understand....West Africa and South Africa also have diverse langauges and traditions.
The language of the Hausa peoples connect them to the Somali.
The native tongue of Kenya connects it to Gabon.
The physical appearance of the Taureg and Fulani connect them to the Nubians and Masai.
The genetic makeup of the Berta of Sudan connect them to Borano of Kenya.
The religious beliefs of Senegal connects it to Egypt, and so on.
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THE tureg and fula only to a certain extent would look like some modern nubians,but not early ones,but many of the fula and some tureg would racial basically look like all other black africans anyway.most modern nubians would still look closer to sudanic west and central africans that are not fula or masai.
quote:HE tureg and fula only to a certain extent would look like some modern nubians,but not early ones
Well, you know that I think the concept of early Nubian, ie - Pre Roman, is a misnomer, and for Africans....a trap. It's just as bad as referring to African Nations as 'tribes'. Too much of our thinking is still trapped in colonial conception in my opinion.
quote:Originally posted by kenndo: THE tureg and fula only to a certain extent would look like some modern nubians,but not early ones,but many of the fula and some tureg would racial basically look like all other black africans anyway.most modern nubians would still look closer to sudanic west and central africans that are not fula or masai.
the point is most the eritrean people ancestry are arabs. do not try to make new story. I am proud of my ancestry. Posts: 232 | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by dahlak: [QUOTE]Originally posted by kenndo: [b] THE tureg and fula only to a certain extent would look like some modern nubians,but not early ones,but many of the fula and some tureg would racial basically look like all other black africans anyway.most modern nubians would still look closer to sudanic west and central africans that are not fula or masai.
the point is most the eritrean people ancestry are arabs. do not try to make new story. I am proud of my ancestry. [/B][/QUOTE] eritreans are black africans,but yes alot do have some arab background.
quote:Originally posted by dahlak: [QUOTE]Originally posted by kenndo: [b] THE tureg and fula only to a certain extent would look like some modern nubians,but not early ones,but many of the fula and some tureg would racial basically look like all other black africans anyway.most modern nubians would still look closer to sudanic west and central africans that are not fula or masai.
the point is most the eritrean people ancestry are arabs. do not try to make new story. I am proud of my ancestry. [/B][/QUOTE]
most eritreans are black africans with some arab background.the state of eritrea is a black african state and part of the au,not arab like modern egypt.
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quote:Originally posted by kenndo: most eritreans are black africans with some arab background.the state of eritrea is a black african state and part of the au,not arab like modern egypt.
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Have you been in egypt? there is different typ of people. All do not look like the same, Like eritrean people. So you tell me, do you realy think all arabs look like the same??? you must be crazy.
quote:Originally posted by dahlak: Have you been in egypt? there is different typ of people. All do not look like the same, Like eritrean people. So you tell me, do you realy think all arabs look like the same??? you must be crazy.
I did not say all arabs look alike,most eritreans are not arabs and i have a good idea what modern egypt looks like.
quote:Originally posted by kenndo: I did not say all arabs look alike,most eritreans are not arabs and i have a good idea what modern egypt looks like.
you watch a lot hollywood movies. so what catagory would you put eritrean? you must be one of this people, do not know about the other people, and make up story. You think all eritrean look the same? Go to eritrea and southern egypt or other arab world make a research, than you tell me what do you think.
quote:Originally posted by dahlak: you watch a lot hollywood movies. so what catagory would you put eritrean? you must be one of this people, do not know about the other people, and make up story. You think all eritrean look the same? Go to eritrea and southern egypt or other arab world make a research, than you tell me what do you think.
Most Eritreans don't look much different in appearance from their Amhara Ethiopian counterparts. Both these groups since historic times, have had much dealings with the Yemeni. But that isn't the point. The point is that, Ethiopians and other "Horn of Africa" Africans have long existed before Arabs, so it doesn't make sense to say vice versa. That is what you are doing, by calling these folks "Arabs". Unless, you are stating that the original Ethiopians have totally been wiped out and replaced by Arabs. Eritrea, needless to mention, was part of Ethiopia until that referendum took place.
BTW, you do have a point about not all Arabs looking Eurasian. In fact, Yemen has a mixture of people who look Eurasian and East African in appearance.
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Dahlak, I think that you seem to be misunderstanding what is being said in this thread. I assume that the “Rashada” people you are talking about are the Rashaida people, correct? When posters on this forum talk about the racial affinities of the people in the Horn of Africa region, they are referring to the native people (i.e. Cushitic and Nilotic-speaking groups) of that land. As far as I know the Rashaida people are not native to this region (including Eritrea) but are a recent (in historical terms) immigrant group from the Arabian Peninsula. So yes the Rashaida are an “Arab tribe”, but native East and North Africans do not have the same ancestry as them. Also may I ask what percentage of the current Eritrean population are the Rashaida?
quote: “The Rashaida nomads, a Bedouin tribe from Saudi Arabia, crossed the Red Sea more than a hundred and fifty years ago and entered Eritrea and Sudan. A tough race of desert dwellers who lay no claim to owning land, they have survived by carrying out lucrative camel trade with Egypt along the coastal desert of Sudan….” African Ceremonies Carol Beckwith, Angela Fisher Page 142
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