http://www.historyforkids.org/learn/egypt/people/index.htm

“Egypt lies between places where people have lighter skin, like
Greece, and places where people have darker skin, like Kenya.”

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I Responded with this email:

"Dear Ms Carr

Under your section on Ancient Egyptian people you write:

“Egypt lies between places where people have lighter skin, like
Greece, and places where people have darker skin, like Kenya. “

Yet you do not likewise mention the fact that :

“Greece lies between places where people have lighter skin, like
Iceland, and places where people have darker skin, like Egypt. “

This frame of reference is what is known as Eurocentrism. Modern
genetic analysis indicates that modern living Greeks have
Y-Chromosomes from the M35 lineage in frequencies higher than 25%. The
M35 lineage originated in the Sub-Saharan East Africa (Somalia) and
spread through-out southern Europe in the last 10,000 years with the
neolithic. Likewise the Benin Variant Sickle Cell Trait is widespread
in Greece. Hence BOTH Greece and Egypt are places in the crossroads of
human movements or the Mediterranean (Middle land), yet you position
Greece as some pristine (non-African) land and Egypt as some hybrid
land. In an era when there are so many diverse young people in our
society surely you could incorporate more modern techniques such as
genetics to address these issues in a less biased manner. Thank you."

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The Moderator Replied:

"You've got a good point.

I was trying to make it clear that there was a continuum, that it
wasn't just black or white. But of course Greece is nowhere near one
end of that continuum, and I should have made that clear. I will change
it soon. And when I wrote that page, about ten years ago, the genetic
ideas were not as well known yet, but I should update it to include
them. I am not sure how much genetics I can do for ten-year-olds, but I
will see if I can incorporate at least some of the genetics behind it.

It may be Eurocentric to address this issue for Egypt and not for other
areas, but the question of whether the Egyptians were black has been
much discussed in the public press over the last couple of decades, so
I wanted to address it there."

Thank you for writing, and please let me know if you have any other
suggestions.

Karen Carr
historyforkids.org

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Originally posted by Thought2:
From The Site:

http://www.historyforkids.org/learn/egypt/people/index.htm

“Egypt lies between places where people have lighter skin, like
Greece, and places where people have darker skin, like Kenya.”

_____________________________________________

I Responded with this email:

"Dear Ms Carr

Under your section on Ancient Egyptian people you write:

“Egypt lies between places where people have lighter skin, like
Greece, and places where people have darker skin, like Kenya. “

Yet you do not likewise mention the fact that :

“Greece lies between places where people have lighter skin, like
Iceland, and places where people have darker skin, like Egypt. “

This frame of reference is what is known as Eurocentrism. Modern
genetic analysis indicates that modern living Greeks have
Y-Chromosomes from the M35 lineage in frequencies higher than 25%. The
M35 lineage originated in the Sub-Saharan East Africa (Somalia) and
spread through-out southern Europe in the last 10,000 years with the
neolithic. Likewise the Benin Variant Sickle Cell Trait is widespread
in Greece. Hence BOTH Greece and Egypt are places in the crossroads of
human movements or the Mediterranean (Middle land), yet you position
Greece as some pristine (non-African) land and Egypt as some hybrid
land. In an era when there are so many diverse young people in our
society surely you could incorporate more modern techniques such as
genetics to address these issues in a less biased manner. Thank you."

_____________________________________________

The Moderator Replied:

"You've got a good point.

I was trying to make it clear that there was a continuum, that it
wasn't just black or white. But of course Greece is nowhere near one
end of that continuum, and I should have made that clear. I will change
it soon. And when I wrote that page, about ten years ago, the genetic
ideas were not as well known yet, but I should update it to include
them. I am not sure how much genetics I can do for ten-year-olds, but I
will see if I can incorporate at least some of the genetics behind it.

It may be Eurocentric to address this issue for Egypt and not for other
areas, but the question of whether the Egyptians were black has been
much discussed in the public press over the last couple of decades, so
I wanted to address it there."

Thank you for writing, and please let me know if you have any other
suggestions.

Karen Carr
historyforkids.org

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Abaza, why don't you try to email Discovery Channel and tell them to remove the renders of the Black King Tut or Queen Nefertiti? Just remember to post your message and the reply here.

Even though he is denial, he has to resort into using many euphemisms. When he said that the AE looked like everyday Egyptians, he meant the majority population, not the white population that is foreign. Actually he was correct, the Upper Egyptians whom are still Black today were Black during those times, while the Lower Egyptians whom belong to a West Asian (non-Caucasoid) stock were probably living in Lower Egypt before Egypt risen. He did not really mean that the AE look like the Albanian(hybrid), white Arab (hybrid), and the other hybrid groups in the Med. They are not even the majority in Egypt today, let alone those days.

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Its obvious to dr Hawass and everyone else that northeast Africans are not 'true' blacks. they have black skin and hair but caucasian features.

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Logical fallacy quoting an unrelated scholar[Zahi Hawass Egyptologist] as a physical anthropologist. What you often avoid Horemheb is that many ancient Egyptian remains had avelouar prognathism which is not a caucasoid trait.

Plus I would like you to define caucasian traits.

So let's be truly logical here:

1) What then would be a "true white"?

i)i)extent of ape characteristics such as labial measurements, ii)hairiness--chest and back especially, iii)limb proportions, iv)hair colour--blondism v. non-blondism, iv)extent of prognathism--Nordic v. Slavic v. Mediterranean, etc.v)elongatedness of body structure; cf Neanderthal-like adaptations--shorter more bulky limbs especially in the males, vi)head shapes: doliocephalic v. mesocephalic v. brachycephalic, vii)hair type

2)What the would be a "true yellow"--in other words give exact measurements for extent of i) epicanthic fold, ii)extent of lack of nose bridge, iii) extent of lack of nasal root, iv)extent of facial projection--i.e. exact angular measurements, iv)facial ratios--length v. breadth, v)limb proportions, vi) head shape: whether mesocephalic or brachycephalic, etc., vii)hair type.

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
Its obvious to dr Hawass and everyone else that northeast Africans are not 'true' blacks. they have black skin and hair but caucasian features.

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Incorrect comments,northeast AFRICA by the way is a big place with many groups.

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
Thought, The idea of eurocentrism is intellectually bankrupt. It is a straw horse for attacking western civilization, nothing more, nothing less.

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Thought Writes: