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..the problem with racial identity is that it's based soley on the culutral views of a society.
In America, the standard view is based on the so-called "one-drop" rule which states any discernable trace of African ancestry makes you automatically black, no matter how 'white' you may look. What this really is, is a kind of 'white-bastardization' in which only those who are of pure white or European ancestry have the honor to be called 'white' and all the privileges that come with it.

In Africa, but especially North Africa, the "one-drop" rule is flipped in reverse, where any discernable trace of "caucasian" or Arab ancesrty makes automatically makes you that. The problem is many people are all to proud and willing to accept the label. Which is why even many blacks who don't look like they have any Arab ancestry, still claim to be Arabs just because they have one, maybe a couple of Arab ancestors. Some may not have Arab ancestors at all but try and take the claim!

Either way you can see the problem, that the 'black' label is viewed in a negative way, while the 'white' label is the opposite and is an honorary label!

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Followers (Slaves), follow the Racist Rules.

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Originally posted by fareed:
Leaders (Masters), set the rules.

Followers (Slaves), follow the Racist Rules.

Learn to think for yourself!!

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Originally posted by fareed:
Leaders (Masters), set the rules.

Followers (Slaves), follow the Racist Rules.

Learn to think for yourself!!

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On the contrary, many black Americans claim their black side, because they are proud of it!!

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Originally posted by fareed:
Blacks should learn to think for themselves and never define their heritage according to racist White Definitions.

No one should be told to accept only the socially inferior status of being called Black, even if that person is biologically just as much white as black. People who are mixed, should always be proud of all their heritage and should never have to give up any thing, inorder to fit into a White Racist Society. It is only people who are weak and unable to think for themselves, that become followers of such stupid racist ideas. It is about time for action!!

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Actually the point is that if White's say that someone like Halle Berry is Black then they should also admit that Egyptians are Black. What is stupid is that most White people have no problem saying Halle Berry is Black but refuse to accept Egyptians as Black as well. Consequently Black Americans are proud to say they are Black even though they are mixed because it was people like themselves that are most noticeably demonstrated in the dwan of civilization as we know it. By saying that someone like Halle Berry is Black these people completely undermine racist theories of the origin of civilization. What I don't understand is why you are not smart enough to understand that? You should have enough Jewish blood in those veins to help you think better than that!

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On the contrary, many black Americans claim their black side, because they are proud of it!!

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WHY ARE THEY ASHAMED OF THEIR WHITE SIDE OR DON'T CARE ABOUT IT?

In many Latin Cultures, the acceptance of people who are partially mixed is universal and this creates a much more fluid and amicable social setting.

Blacks in the US, have internalized this white racist agenda and actually accepted it as de facto for the most part.

Egypt and the Egyptains, have nothing to do with Blacks in the US and are not even part of this conversation.

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this is why i dont agree with interracial marriages and people call me racist.

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If you are young, you will see your grandchildren and gret grandchildren looking nothing like you, whether you like it or not. PEOPLE TEND TO LIVE LONGER NOW AND YOU WILL SEE WHAT YOU HATE IN FRONT OF YOU.

Imagine 3 billion yellow people intermarrying with the rest of us.

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Originally posted by fareed:
Blacks should learn to think for themselves and never define their heritage according to racist White Definitions.

No one should be told to accept only the socially inferior status of being called Black, even if that person is biologically just as much white as black. People who are mixed, should always be proud of all their heritage and should never have to give up any thing, inorder to fit into a White Racist Society. It is only people who are weak and unable to think for themselves, that become followers of such stupid racist ideas. It is about time for action!!

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I find it interesting that, your claims reflect your own tendency to actually fall into the trap of the very thing/ideology, you claim to be distancing yourself from.

You claimed that 'Blacks' shouldn't allow themselves or their heritage to be defined by racist 'White definitions'. Yet, it is from racist 'Whites', that you hear unfounded claims of 'White' superiority or 'black' inferiority. You have made it clear that you've accepted this definition, when you made this claim:

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fareed:
No one should be told to accept only the socially inferior status of being called Black, even if that person is biologically just as much white as black.

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The purpose of this thread is not to prove the known facts, but to expose the hidden feelings of blacks and whites and to understand why things are this way and how they can be changed.

Again, the point is learn to think for yourself!

When blacks try their best to deny their white heritage, they become victims of white racist ideas and agendas. But, when they accept all their heritage and become proud of who they actually are, fully, without reservation, then they begin to tear down the walls of hatred and feelings of inferiority.

whites, could in turn feel a greater need to accept blacks, because many of them are actually partially white and part of the same family.

It would help, if you can learn to read between the lines.

It is very hard to hate someone who shares your very own blood.

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You have just overlooked the whole enchilada.
there is no doubt that whites enjoy a superior social status in the US -- any fool can tell you this part!

The purpose of this thread is not to prove the known facts, but to expose the hidden feelings of blacks and whites and to understand why things are this way and how they can be changed.

Again, the point is learn to think for yourself!

When blacks try their best to deny their white heritage, they become victims of white racist ideas and agendas. But, when they accept all their heritage and become proud of who they actually are, fully, without reservation, then they begin to tear down the walls of hatred and feelings of inferiority.

whites, could in turn feel a greater need to accept blacks, because many of them are actually partially white and part of the same family.

It would help, if you can learn to read between the lines.

It is very hard to hate someone who shares your very own blood.

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My friend, it is you, who continues to overlook the 'whole enchilada', so to speak.

What do you think people have been doing until now?...It is thinking for themselves. The Blacks certainly have been doing that. I mean, the question is not simply, if Blacks would embrace 'all their heritage', but more a question of whether that would have any bearings on prejudice or discrimination against them by those, whom you call 'socially-superior whites'. Simply proclaiming their supposedly varied lineages, doesn't mean that equal treatment will be afforded to them. The Blacks know this, and therefore, have been thinking for themselves, when they acknowledge this reality! But you can go ahead and daydream.

When blacks started calling themselves, African-Americans, again whites started according them that status, although it took a little bit of time.

There is no magic bullet that would make everything "perfect" in a matter of weeks or months, social engineering take time, but it can be done!!

When people begin to realize how much genetic heritage and common Culture Blacks and Whites have in common, they will begin to tear down these walls of hatred.

(1991), from which this excerpt was taken.
Reprinted with permission of Penn State University Press

To be considered black in the United States not even half of one's ancestry must be African black. But will one-fourth do, or one-eighth, or less? The nation's answer to the question 'Who is black?" has long been that a black is any person with any known African black ancestry. This definition reflects the long experience with slavery and later with Jim Crow segregation. In the South it became known as the "one-drop rule,'' meaning that a single drop of "black blood" makes a person a black. It is also known as the "one black ancestor rule," some courts have called it the "traceable amount rule," and anthropologists call it the "hypo-descent rule," meaning that racially mixed persons are assigned the status of the subordinate group. This definition emerged from the American South to become the nation's definition, generally accepted by whites and blacks. Blacks had no other choice. As we shall see, this American cultural definition of blacks is taken for granted as readily by judges, affirmative action officers, and black protesters as it is by Ku Klux Klansmen.

Let us not he confused by terminology. At present the usual statement of the one-drop rule is in terms of "black blood" or black ancestry, while not so long ago it referred to "Negro blood" or ancestry. The term "black" rapidly replaced "Negro" in general usage in the United States as the black power movement peaked at the end of the 1960s, but the black and Negro populations are the same. The term "black" is used in this book for persons with any black African lineage, not just for unmixed members of populations from sub-Saharan Africa. The term "Negro," which is used in certain historical contexts, means the same thing. Terms such as "African black," "unmixed Negro," and "all black" are used here to refer to unmixed blacks descended from African populations.

We must also pay attention to the terms "mulatto" and "colored." The term "mulatto" was originally used to mean the offspring of a "pure African Negro" and a "pure white." Although the root meaning of mulatto, in Spanish, is "hybrid," "mulatto" came to include the children of unions between whites and so-called "mixed Negroes." For example, Booker T. Washington and Frederick Douglass, with slave mothers and white fathers, were referred to as mulattoes. To whatever extent their mothers were part white, these men were more than half white. Douglass was evidently part Indian as well, and he looked it. Washington had reddish hair and gray eyes. At the time of the American Revolution, many of the founding fathers had some very light slaves, including some who appeared to be white. The term "colored" seemed for a time to refer only to mulattoes, especially lighter ones, but later it became a euphemism for darker Negroes, even including unmixed blacks. With widespread racial mixture, "Negro" came to mean any slave or descendant of a slave, no matter how much mixed. Eventually in the United States, the terms mulatto, colored, Negro, black, and African American all came to mean people with any known black African ancestry. Mulattoes are racially mixed, to whatever degree, while the terms black, Negro, African American, and colored include both mulattoes and unmixed blacks. As we shall see, these terms have quite different meanings in other countries.

Whites in the United States need some help envisioning the American black experience with ancestral fractions. At the beginning of miscegenation between two populations presumed to be racially pure, quadroons appear in the second generation of continuing mixing with whites, and octoroons in the third. A quadroon is one-fourth African black and thus easily classed as black in the United States, yet three of this person's four grandparents are white. An octoroon has seven white great-grandparents out of eight and usually looks white or almost so. Most parents of black American children in recent decades have themselves been racially mixed, but often the fractions get complicated because the earlier details of the mixing were obscured generations ago. Like so many white Americans, black people are forced to speculate about some of the fractions-- one-eighth this, three-sixteenths that, and so on....

Not only does the one-drop rule apply to no other group than American blacks, but apparently the rule is unique in that it is found only in the United States and not in any other nation in the world. In fact, definitions of who is black vary quite sharply from country to country, and for this reason people in other countries often express consternation about our definition.
James Baldwin relates a revealing incident that occurred in 1956 at the Conference of Negro-African Writers and Artists held in Paris. The head of the delegation of writers and artists from the United States was John Davis. The French chairperson introduced Davis and then asked him why he considered himself Negro, since he certainly did not look like one. Baldwin wrote, "He is a Negro, of course, from the remarkable legal point of view which obtains in the United States, but more importantly, as he tried to make clear to his interlocutor, he was a Negro by choice and by depth of involvement--by experience, in fact."

The phenomenon known as "passing as white" is difficult to explain in other countries or to foreign students. Typical questions are:

"Shouldn't Americans say that a person who is passing as white is white, or nearly all white, and has previously been passing as black?" or "To be consistent, shouldn't you say that someone who is one-eighth white is passing as black?" or "Why is there so much concern, since the so-called blacks who pass take so little negroid ancestry with them?"

Those who ask such questions need to realize that "passing" is much more a social phenomenon than a biological one, reflecting the nation's unique definition of what makes a person black. The concept of "passing" rests on the one-drop rule and on folk beliefs about race and miscegenation, not on biological or historical fact.

The black experience with passing as white in the United States contrasts with the experience of other ethnic minorities that have features that are clearly non-caucasoid.
The concept of passing applies only to blacks--consistent with the nation's unique definition of the group. A person who is one-fourth or less American Indian or Korean or Filipino is not regarded as passing if he or she intermarries and joins fully the life of the dominant community, so the minority ancestry need not be hidden.

It is often suggested that the key reason for this is that the physical differences between these other groups and whites are less pronounced than the physical differences between African blacks and whites, and therefore are less threatening to whites. However, keep in mind that the one-drop rule and anxiety about passing originated during slavery and later received powerful reinforcement under the Jim Crow system.

For the physically visible groups other than blacks, miscegenation promotes assimilation, despite barriers of prejudice and discrimination during two or more generations of racial mixing. As noted above, when ancestry in one of these racial minority groups does not exceed one-fourth, a person is not defined solely as a member of that group. Masses of white European immigrants have climbed the class ladder not only through education but also with the help of close personal relationships in the dominant community, intermarriage, and ultimately full cultural and social assimilation. Young people tend to marry people they meet in the same informal social circles. For visibly non-caucasoid minorities other than blacks in the United States, this entire route to full assimilation is slow but possible.

For all persons of any known black lineage, however, assimilation is blocked and is not promoted by miscegenation. Barriers to full opportunity and participation for blacks are still formidable, and a fractionally black person cannot escape these obstacles without passing as white and cutting off all ties to the black family and community.

The pain of this separation, and condemnation by the black family and community, are major reasons why many or most of those who could pass as white choose not to. Loss of security within the minority community, and fear and distrust of the white world are also factors.

It should now be apparent that the definition of a black person as one with any trace at all of black African ancestry is inextricably woven into the history of the United States. It incorporates beliefs once used to justify slavery and later used to buttress the castelike Jim Crow system of segregation. Developed in the South, the definition of "Negro" (now black) spread and became the nation's social and legal definition.

Because blacks are defined according to the one-drop rule, they are a socially constructed category in which there is wide variation in racial traits and therefore not a race group in the scientific sense.

However, because that category has a definite status position in the society it has become a self-conscious social group with an ethnic identity.

The one-drop rule has long been taken for granted throughout the United States by whites and blacks alike, and the federal courts have taken "judicial notice" of it as being a matter of common knowledge. State courts have generally upheld the one-drop rule, but some have limited the definition to one thirty-second or one-sixteenth or one-eighth black ancestry, or made other limited exceptions for persons with both Indian and black ancestry.

Most Americans seem unaware that this definition of blacks is extremely unusual in other countries, perhaps even unique to the United States, and that Americans define no other minority group in a similar way. . . .

We must first distinguish racial traits from cultural traits, since they are so often confused with each other. As defined in physical anthropology and biology, races are categories of human beings based on average differences in physical traits that are transmitted by the genes not by blood. Culture is a shared pattern of behavior and beliefs that are learned and transmitted through social communication. An ethnic group is a group with a sense of cultural identity, such as Czech or Jewish Americans, but it may also be a racially distinctive group. A group that is racially distinctive in society may be an ethnic group as well, but not necessarily. Although racially mixed, most blacks in the United States are physically distinguishable from whites, but they are also an ethnic group because of the distinctive culture they have developed within the general American framework.

On this forum you have started such topics as:

North Africa is a continent as is Europe

Not all Caucasians are White

Racial Type of Ancient Egyptians

black ancestry in Modern Egypt

I can only help you refresh your memory with some quotes from yours truly:

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"I would like to ask those experts on this forum, if they can actually tell us what percentage of today's Egyptians are black or partially so. Thanks for helping a fellow researcher."

"The name African applied to the Caucasoids (Egyptian and Berber) of North Africa and (Cushitic) of Ethiopia and Somalia. There is no reason to doubt that this type is indigenous to the region. Sub- Saharan racial types are not anymore closer to early humans than are Caucasoid types."

"The people of Egypt have been and continue to be mostly Caucasoid North Africans with minor admixture of Black African Genetics."

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Since you knew from the very beginning about the Black African admixture in modern day Egyptians why are you still trying to separate North Africa from the rest of Africa. It isn't really a mystery. You must have realised by now that the aboriginal people of North Africa came from the south. All this obfuscation (i.e blacks should think for themselves) won't save your agenda of creating pseudo-continents and dark skinned pseudo-Caucasoids. Even a dimwit would see right through you...LOL!

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Only Egyptians would stay put.

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...even those, unlike you, who accurately grasp the true African base of Ancient Egyptian.

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Originally posted by fareed:
Blacks should learn to think for themselves and never define their heritage according to racist White Definitions.

No one should be told to accept only the socially inferior status of being called Black, even if that person is biologically just as much white as black. People who are mixed, should always be proud of all their heritage and should never have to give up any thing, inorder to fit into a White Racist Society. It is only people who are weak and unable to think for themselves, that become followers of such stupid racist ideas. It is about time for action!!

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1. Black Americans are subjected to the worst racist standards in the world, no other country follows this white racist system, not even South Africa.

2. Due to their alienation and not being accepted as full citizens, in their own country, many internalized the racist white master's agenda into their own social system of beliefs, i.e., they began to think of themselves as the racist whites do, basically inferior people.

3. whites are happy to keep the status quo, inorder to keep blacks down and segregated and away from their exclusive genetic pool of genes and all the benefits of being a white person in america (better social status).

4. Blacks, and only "Blacks" are treated this way in America, other minority groups, including Hispanics are proud to admit they're part white, and many think of themselves as "Whites", especially Mexican-Americans, so that they can gain better acceptance and move up the social ladder into the American Melting Pot.

5. Egyptians and Black Americans, have very little in common, but Egyptians do want Blacks to do better and move up the social ladder of upward mobility.

6. Egyptains, in the US, are among the best educated Arab Americans with a very large number of college graduates (about 60%).

7. What many Egyptians, North Africans, East Africans, Arabs, and others are trying to tell you, is that most nations around the world DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO THE WHITE RACIST AMERICAN SYSTEM OF RACIAL DIVISION. Most other nations, are much more open and allow their people more freedom to define who they are racially by the way they look, and also by being accepted as mixed without being accorded the inferior social status.

8. BLACK AMERICANS ARE VERY MIXED and are perhaps more mixed than many people would care to guess, yet they continue to refuse to accept all parts of their heritage.

9. In fact, in many parts of Africa, most Black Americans would not be called Blacks, but COLORED PEOPLE, as in South Africa. Some, might even be called Whites, as in the Sudan and East Africa.

10. Due to all this and other reasons, Black Americans fail to understand that they live under a system of RACIAL HATRED, that was started by Racist Whites and adopted and accepted by Blacks, Totally.

11. People, outside the US, are not as racist and do not build social obstacles to keep some of their citizens segregated and inferior, but rather allow them the freedom to move up the social classes.

12. Finally, because of all this Self-Hatred, many Blacks make strange claims that they're actually related to Egyptians, and that anyone who is Brown or has any possible links to a black heritage is automatically a black person, this will never happen, because the US is only a small part of the world and US rules and racist ideas WILL NEVER WIN!!

Again, no hard feelings, but the truth needs to come out, inorder for Blacks to understand what is going on around the world and why others and especially native Africans don't see things the way the "Mixed Black Americans" do.

ma3lesh, el7meer dol me7tageen austaz!!

niharek abyad

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by fareed:
[B]Blacks should learn to think for themselves.

O'please,Fareed,this is too harsh..! Be realistic..!

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Originally posted by fareed:
There is no hidden agenda. All the facts are out on the table, but people who are ignorant fail to grasp the bigger picture.

4. Blacks, and only "Blacks" are treated this way in America, other minority groups, including Hispanics are proud to admit they're part white, and many think of themselves as "Whites", especially Mexican-Americans, so that they can gain better acceptance and move up the social ladder into the American Melting Pot.

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Do any of you live in the US? Why do you have this fixation with African-Americans?

You realize know one takes any of you seriously, right. It’s because you come off as assholes. You make racist comments, which makes you loose creditability. You make baseless claims. Your sources, when you actually have one, are suspect. Bottom line, your overall tone on this board is negative. You seem to have a lot of HATE. I guess it’s better that you get your anger out here rather than becoming a suicide bomber.

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Again, no hard feelings, but the truth needs to come out, inorder for Blacks to understand what is going on around the world and why others and especially native Africans don't see things the way the "Mixed Black Americans" do.
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Now you speak for native Africans! Once again we have another strawman thread. In trying to put down the so called "US rules and racist ideas" you sure do a good job by using some of those rules when it suits you.
In the US North Africans are automatically put in the Caucasian racial category. I don't see you calling for a re-thinking of this rule since you recognize that they (modern Egyptians) have some black ancestry. If you really want to put down this system, start by NOT calling native Africans "Caucasoids".

Egyptains, Arabs, Middle Easterners are already classified as "White" people by your very own white people. Some of these people, don't want to be classified as "white', because they don't get too many government benefits and special minority handouts.

Nobody, is trying to change who they are, but we want people to recognize that black americans are part white and therefore, are not aliens, but rather closer to white americans than many people think.

governments set the social agendas....people on the street are usually the followers of either tolerant attitudes or racist ones as your comments would indicate.

when we begin to see the enemy is just like us, we begin to accept them and give them a seat at the table.

buddah, you sound like a young person, who is easily influenced by peer pressure, but I hope you can see a little more beyond the obvious.

white people, have no special status among the people of the world, but are just like everyone else. if most people begin to accept their full heritage, there would be no need to divide people according to racist white ideas, such as the one drop rule.

unfairly, applied only to black americans, and nobody else around the world.

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[b] [QUOTE]Originally posted by fareed:
[b]There is no hidden agenda. All the facts are out on the table, but people who are ignorant fail to grasp the bigger picture.

4. Blacks, and only "Blacks" are treated this way in America, other minority groups, including Hispanics are proud to admit they're part white, and many think of themselves as "Whites", especially Mexican-Americans, so that they can gain better acceptance and move up the social ladder into the American Melting Pot.

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Most native Africans, do not share your racist divisions and are proud of who they are. only mixed black americans wish to follow their white masters' racist agenda and actually accept it totally without even thinking why it is racist and tends to segrate them even more from their fellow white americans.

Being Black or White is a social construct designed by the powerful group, in this case the racist whites to keep blacks away from their fair share of the american dream, yet it allows many other miniorites to become white and get their fair portion.

Dark whites, like mediterranean people, were treated very badly at the beginning and denied the privilege of actually joining the melting pot, but as they became more white, i.e., started advancing themselves and improving their lives, they were included with the larger white community regardless of their dark and often swarthy complexions.
In turn, they become more and more like everyone else and were not thought of as being different, although they actually are very different from Northern Europeans.

Many Mexicans, are in a similar situation, but with the added mixture of being both white, indian, with a little black admixture.

In order for them to be accepted, they have to embrace their full heritage and claim their european ancestary, as much as their indian heritage. Most of them are doing this already, with the majority actually claiming their white heritage ahead of their indian share. No harm in doing do, because this makes closer to the dominant white group, that has most of the power, and therefore, they're not so alien, they will be accepted and treated just like them.

again, being white is a social construct, yet you can be almost any race, except black and yet be made part of this exclusive group in the US. Other nations, don't have all this hang up about dividing people by a one drop racist rule and people are free to choose how they can define themselves and how others see them can matter, but not always.

I hope this is not too deep for you!!

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They may call themselves white but let me tell ya they are not. Do you think you can walk up to a white person and say I'm white like you. We would laugh in your face. You can say you are a woman when in fact you are a man but does by saying your a woman make you one. Farred face it you want to be white you feel that makes u better. Why do you want everyone to embrace the white side should us whites embrace our african roots.

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Actually the point is that if White's say that someone like Halle Berry is Black then they should also admit that Egyptians are Black. What is stupid is that most White people have no problem saying Halle Berry is Black but refuse to accept Egyptians as Black as well. Consequently Black Americans are proud to say they are Black even though they are mixed because it was people like themselves that are most noticeably demonstrated in the dwan of civilization as we know it. By saying that someone like Halle Berry is Black these people completely undermine racist theories of the origin of civilization. What I don't understand is why you are not smart enough to understand that? You should have enough Jewish blood in those veins to help you think better than that!

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this is a good point and you took the words out of my mouth,of course most black americans arenot mixed like latinos or most modern egyptians,that is why i say they are not mixed but i say some mixture or some form of mixture.

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Originally posted by fareed:
There is no hidden agenda. All the facts are out on the table, but people who are ignorant fail to grasp the bigger picture.

1. Black Americans are subjected to the worst racist standards in the world, no other country follows this white racist system, not even South Africa.

2. Due to their alienation and not being accepted as full citizens, in their own country, many internalized the racist white master's agenda into their own social system of beliefs, i.e., they began to think of themselves as the racist whites do, basically inferior people.

3. whites are happy to keep the status quo, inorder to keep blacks down and segregated and away from their exclusive genetic pool of genes and all the benefits of being a white person in america (better social status).

4. Blacks, and only "Blacks" are treated this way in America, other minority groups, including Hispanics are proud to admit they're part white, and many think of themselves as "Whites", especially Mexican-Americans, so that they can gain better acceptance and move up the social ladder into the American Melting Pot.

5. Egyptians and Black Americans, have very little in common, but Egyptians do want Blacks to do better and move up the social ladder of upward mobility.

6. Egyptains, in the US, are among the best educated Arab Americans with a very large number of college graduates (about 60%).

7.[b] What many Egyptians, North Africans, East Africans, Arabs, and others are trying to tell you, is that most nations around the world DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO THE WHITE RACIST AMERICAN SYSTEM OF RACIAL DIVISION. Most other nations, are much more open and allow their people more freedom to define who they are racially by the way they look, and also by being accepted as mixed without being accorded the inferior social status.

8. BLACK AMERICANS ARE VERY MIXED and are perhaps more mixed than many people would care to guess, yet they continue to refuse to accept all parts of their heritage.

9. In fact, in many parts of Africa, most Black Americans would not be called Blacks, but COLORED PEOPLE, as in South Africa. Some, might even be called Whites, as in the Sudan and East Africa.

10. Due to all this and other reasons, Black Americans fail to understand that they live under a system of RACIAL HATRED, that was started by Racist Whites and adopted and accepted by Blacks, Totally.

11. People, outside the US, are not as racist and do not build social obstacles to keep some of their citizens segregated and inferior, but rather allow them the freedom to move up the social classes.

12. Finally, because of all this Self-Hatred, many Blacks make strange claims that they're actually related to Egyptians, and that anyone who is Brown or has any possible links to a black heritage is automatically a black person, this will never happen, because the US is only a small part of the world and US rules and racist ideas WILL NEVER WIN!!

Again, no hard feelings, but the truth needs to come out, inorder for Blacks to understand what is going on around the world and why others and especially native Africans don't see things the way the "Mixed Black Americans" do.

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first of all alot of the coloreds of south african are half white,most blacks in america are not half white so it is a wrong compare,most blacks in america have still mostly black blood,and some are do not have any mixture.most blacks in america still look clearly black,so don'y compare it to coloreds in south africa,how dare you.

you can't call a black in america mixed if he/she has only 15% mixture or less or even 5 to less than one % mixture.that is way different from latinos or coloreds of south africa and most black americans(icluding recent and west indian blacks)still as a whole look like most black africans.
come around my block for once in newyork or go to the south in america and you will see what i mean.

in the colored population in south africa you could find alot of folks on average that look clearly not black and the ones in south africa that look black and are half of something but look black should be still caled black, because some of those coloreds that i have seen look really no different than most other blacks,so dont make crazy blanket statements, also,you have to study it on a case by case basis.

ma3lesh, el7meer dol me7tageen austaz!!
niharek abyad
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Talata Bilahi Al3azeem, mafeesh zay el Musri !!

this is from another thread
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God bless Egypt and Egypt alone.

These freaks and their supports got nothing else in their lives other than pissing on our Egyptian board.
I bet they would not dare do the same on an American or European board.

Fiction, Fiction, Fiction . The need to belong is so greater feeling than telling the truth.

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Originally posted by salama:
Dogg,

God bless Egypt and Egypt alone.

These freaks and their supports got nothing else in their lives other than pissing on our Egyptian board.
I bet they would not dare do the same on an American or European board.

Fiction, Fiction, Fiction . The need to belong is so greater feeling than telling the truth.

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To Salami and her little dick white husband:

Where is your documented Proof, Proof, Proof that what scholars like, rasol, TopDog, Djehuti, Ausar, etc. has stated and proven is False, False False???????

Once again, if non-Greek Europeans can claim the "greatness" of Greece then Black Americans Can do the same for Ancient Kemit.

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Originally posted by salama:
Dogg,

God bless Egypt and Egypt alone.

These freaks and their supports got nothing else in their lives other than pissing on our Egyptian board.
I bet they would not dare do the same on an American or European board.

Fiction, Fiction, Fiction . The need to belong is so greater feeling than telling the truth.

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