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Can someone chime in on what's the correct transliteration of Ramses II's throne name. I was under the impression that it is transliterated as Usermaatra Setepenra...
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LOL, the guy had 200 wives and concubines, 96 sons and 60 daughters. How did he have time to rule? Hell of a busy man Posts: 1420 | Registered: May 2005
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^LMAO Yeah Yonis, how he was able to make time enough to preside over construction projects, govern his people, and fight wars is beyond me!
To Nay-Sayer: You are correct that User-maat-re Setep-en-re was one of Ramses II's throne names.
Like many African cultures, names were important in Egyptian society and this couldn't be more true for the Pharaoh.
A pharaoh had 5 names altogether-- 4 official royal titles or throne names and his personal name--
1. The Horus-name (manifestation of the god Heru )
2. He of the two ladies (the two national goddesses represented by the cobra-goddess of Lower Egypt, Wadjet and the vulture-goddess of Upper Egypt, Nekhbet)
3. The golden name (expressing eternity)
4. He of the sedge and bee (another expression denoting Upper and Lower Egypt)
5. Son of Ra, the sun god (i.e., personal name).
"Ramses" is the Greek version of his personal name which is actually pronounced Ramessia.
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It is in official Egyptian texts. Rameses had over a hundred children, though how many of these children is biologically his I do not know.
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If he rotated between his wives and concubines just a rate of one per week we can see it didn't really take up much of his time fathering so many children especially if he "entertained" two to five of them at once during his more hornier moods and appetite.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: If he rotated between his wives and concubines just a rate of one per week we can see it didn't really take up much of his time fathering so many children especially if he "entertained" two to five of them at once during his more hornier moods and appetite.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: If he rotated between his wives and concubines just a rate of one per week we can see it didn't really take up much of his time fathering so many children especially if he "entertained" two to five of them at once during his more hornier moods and appetite.
LOL I don't know if the Pharoah had more than one woman at one time, but definitely just a rotation of one woman a week could yield such a large number of offspring.
quote:Originally posted by Supercar: Which official Egyptic texts state that he fathered 150 children?
Pretty much all the royal records during Ramses II's time. There is no question or argument about it. In fact, it is one of the very few things Egyptologists agree with.
Again, all the texts speak of these children being 'his', but as how many this applied in the biological context remains to be seen. If you remember, it is a common custom for Pharaohs to claim children as his own even though they are not biologically his. Although, it is by no means impossible for him to have that many biological children considering the size of his harem.
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Which official Egyptic texts state that he fathered 150 children?
Pretty much all the royal records during Ramses II's time. There is no question or argument about it.
...which is why, going onto the third reply now, that you haven't produced a shred of specific examples of "primary texts" that attest to the 150 children he biologically fathered? I am not presenting an argument, for I don't know what the case 'really' is; I am however presenting a question about it. So yes, there is a question about it, that has yet to be answered.
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For him to have so many children, Rameses II must have had more hot black chicks than a MTV video. Makes me want to get a time machine and travel back to ancient Egypt, circa RII's time.
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^LMAO You guys are nuts! Seriously, though it wasn't uncommon from Pharoahs or any powerful kings at that time to have that many women.
As to Supercar, I'm telling there are primary texts which document Ramses children. If you want I can try to email an Egyptologist for examples of some.
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Can we guys get back to the actual topic or something significantly related to it? Posts: 26307 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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^Where did you hear this? As I understand it, consonants in the Egyptians language (like all Afrasian languages) are definite, whereas the vowels are loose. A word that ends in a vowel followed by a 't' is grammatically feminine. Thus the concept of Maat (pronounced Ma'at) which means truth/order was also personified as a goddess.
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Maybe I heard wrong. @least now I know that the 't' in 'maat' isn't silent. Thank you for clearing that up.
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