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If it were built by "semitic" people, why didn't they build it using 'semitic' techniques? I guess nevermind the fact it was built using no mortar or binding elements whatsoever and in a style completely alien to the near east.
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quote:f course that will not please the Africanists that the Great Zimbabwe was in fact built by a semitic people(Jews)...
^ Another silly thread started by you Ray.
Actually it isn't clear that the Lemba Bantu build great Zimbabwe, which was more likely built by the ancestors of the Shona [Zimbabwe is a Shona word].
However even if you presuppose Lemba built Great Zimbabwe - > So what?
LEMBA JEWS:
As for Semitic - you seem to forget that semitic is and African langauge.
According to linguist Christopher Ehret, the 1st semites in Asia were just a few Africans arriving in the Levantine and encountering non semitic asiatic peoples with who they intermixed - in Asia.
It is a fact, that the Lemba are Jews, but they are also African, Black and Bantu.
And since the Lemba have far more CMH than non Black jews...... perhaps you should be asking whether the original Jews, looked anything like the modern European Jews - who have more European haplotypes [which are not found in Lemba] and less CMH?
In fact we discussed the Lemba years ago with the idiot Evil Euro, who claimed that Lemba were *caucasoid* until he was shown pictures of them.
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I might add that Jon Entine states that it is a specific subclan,the BUBA who are the priest of the Lemba..
The structure of Great Zimbabwe dates around 1sr-2nd century AD,the time these cohanims(the Levites were a subclan of priests,sort of) left Sanaa(Yemen) which they had founded..
As per Jon Entine the archaeological evidence is there to support the Buba claims
The Buba- their Jewish ancestry was traced via their Y gene(?)-only found in men- thus ..It also shows that the men intermarried with the local women hence their skin color..
I repeat it is the subclan of Lemba, the BUBA
As per Jon Entine- their rituals,oral traditions were discarted by archeologists -they stated that ,"well a Jewish colonizer passed into that area and the locals adopted his customs.."
His book is very recent(2007) so these are new facts..
A good thing to listen to his video presentation..
Notes 1- I am not into this "dna stuff" so many terms I did not undertastand in the video..
2-That rabbis are in a conumdrum as the Buba are more Jewish than the majority of Jews in Europe/Americas !..
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What the Heck is Jewish Genes there is no Such thing as Jewish Genes. Judaism is a religion not a Race or Blood Type Most Eurpean AshkaNazi Jews are Genetically no different than there fellow Eurpeans in Europe I think that is Bullshit Jews have no DNA. These Lemba or Zimbabwe people have nothing to do with the Levant and there Genes have nothing to do with Jews Man im So Sick of these Zionist Idiots they are just trying to make the Lemba People Migrant Workers to Come and Stay in Tel Aviv which is really Palestinian Land All the Jews need to go back to there country of origin and just be Jews Ethiopian,Russian,Yemeni,Egyptian,Eritrean,Indianall u people need to go back to your country and Be Jews stop taking Palestinian Land This is the biggest Joke Jewish Gene Jewish blood and What do they call that Halopgroup ZionK3
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quote:Originally posted by ray2006: I might add that Jon Entine states that it is a specific subclan,the BUBA who are the priest of the Lemba..
This is incorrect. Most Buba are not preists and all Lemba preists are not Buba.
It is also irrelevant to the fact that all Lemba are Bantu, Black and African.
quote:The Buba- their Jewish ancestry was traced via their Y gene(?)-only found in men- thus ..It also shows that the men intermarried with the local women hence their skin color..
What evidence is there that any Lemba ever had a different skin color than they do at present.
Why is there *no difference* between Lemba and any other Bantu?
quote:I repeat it is the subclan of Lemba, the BUBA
lol. I repeat, this doesn't help you since the Buba are not the only Lemba with CMH, nor do they look any differernt than other Lemba.
Professor Mathiva, Priest and Buba Clan leader:
quote:"well a Jewish colonizer passed into that area and the locals adopted his customs.."
No one doubts that the Lemba are Jews, ie - they practise Judiasm, so that is not a point in contention.
So too are the Ethiopian Jews, Jewish, but they have no CMH, a distinct genetic profile, and of course are also African and also Black.
quote:His book is very recent(2007) so these are new facts.
Lol. His book may be recent, but you are not relating new information. You are just relating old information which you are *new too*, hence you do not entirely understand what you are talking about.
quote:2-That rabbis are in a conumdrum as the Buba are more Jewish than the majority of Jews in Europe/Americas !
^ Why is this a conundrum? The semitic language originates in Africa, and Jews, Black and non Black have lived in Africa looong before they ever sit foot in Europe or America.
Judiasm itself has African roots Ray - and this is the fact that you apparently wish to ignore.
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quote:Originally posted by Beja-Tiffa: What the Heck is Jewish Genes there is no Such thing as Jewish Genes. Judaism is a religion not a Race or Blood Type Most Eurpean AshkaNazi Jews are Genetically no different than there fellow Eurpeans in Europe I think that is Bullshit Jews have no DNA...
I Agree!!! And this has been my precise point for the longest time and will remain so. This idea of a Jewish gene is not only false and wrong, but the very idea of going around the world and cherry picking people to be placed into a non-existent category is an act of planting seeds of divide among peaceful people (sounds familiar? Rwanda!). This no different from inventing a myth called Christian Gene or Christian DNA. It makes no sense, but this is actually the precise point for this particular attack on the human mind.
Ideas which make no sense and have no substance, but pushed as otherwise, will intrigue and confuse many unaware and unlearned people, eventually given the initial introducer of the idea power over the identity of the people under control.
People who do not dwell in the knowledge space concerning architecture of the mind and spirit (which there are much too many), will never catch on to this cheap but very effective psychological attack.
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I just watched a documentary on Great Zimbabwe yesterday and as Rasol correctly points out, all indication is that the great enclosure and the surrounding was constructed by the ancestors of the Shona. Though I also agree that it wouldn't make any difference since the Lemba are obviously African people whom are also related to the Shona and even speak Shona.
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In my sight, baLemba are proliferating the Euro "King Solomon's mines" myth of imported Semitic civilization when they falsely claim to be the originators of stone cities or of Mwene Mutapa civilization.
Make no mistake, understand the impact of their claim in the world's eyes: white Semites from the Middle East migrated to Africa bringing civilization to the natives with whom they have since then misegenated explaining why they have African colouring and phenotype today. Why do you think that secular white Jewish organization tried to back them and others in Africa who claim Israel/Judah origins?
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True there is no such thing as a Jewish gene where Jewish denotes a religion. Nonetheless the fact remains that the old Israel priesthood was passed along patrilinearly with any breaking the rules expelled from the Koheyn clan of the Lewi tribe.
That baLemba have so much of the Cohen modal haplotype outside of the Buba could very well be because they were strict about the marriage and other restrictions the priesthood is supposed to uphold and respect.
This same principle may also be why non-Jews in some regions known to have apostate Jews have low frequencies of CMH. The Hebrew book of Ezra tells of the first incident of Kohaniym breaking the marriage rules and their expulsion from the priestly duties even after they fought to retain the title their birthright granted.
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quote:Originally posted by Beja-Tiffa: What the Heck is Jewish Genes there is no Such thing as Jewish Genes. Judaism is a religion not a Race or Blood Type Most Eurpean AshkaNazi Jews are Genetically no different than there fellow Eurpeans in Europe I think that is Bullshit Jews have no DNA...
I Agree!!! And this has been my precise point for the longest time and will remain so. This idea of a Jewish gene is not only false and wrong, but the very idea of going around the world and cherry picking people to be placed into a non-existent category is an act of planting seeds of divide among peaceful people (sounds familiar? Rwanda!). This no different from inventing a myth called Christian Gene or Christian DNA. It makes no sense, but this is actually the precise point for this particular attack on the human mind.
Ideas which make no sense and have no substance, but pushed as otherwise, will intrigue and confuse many unaware and unlearned people, eventually given the initial introducer of the idea power over the identity of the people under control.
People who do not dwell in the knowledge space concerning architecture of the mind and spirit (which there are much too many), will never catch on to this cheap but very effective psychological attack.
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The video presentation is in 7 parts + 2 extra, runs about +65 mins or so..
If you listen to his video presentation he is not the dogmatic type but makes it clear that NEW infos wihch were not available 10 yrs ago are in his book..
The BUBAS ARE JEWS ! And yes he admits that this will give real problems to the rabbis as these BUBAS have more Jewish blood than the majority of the Jews in America/Europe ! ( You can hear the half heartedly laughter of his Jewish audience)..
The BUBAS are around 50,000 or so as per heir account(?)
They descend from the Cohanims,the priestly class of the Jews(the Levites could be considered a subclan)
In his video he proves that A. Koestler's assertions in his book- The 13th Tribe is wrong on several points..
This is proved by analysis of their DNA..
Also very few words from the Khazars are in fact in the Jewish language,thus.. The link http://www.haruth.com/JewsLembaNY.html is dated 1999.. Since then much more recent researches prove the Bubas claims..
I am very surprised that the "DNA specialists" here refuse to even look at the evidence.
Now I wonder why ?
Note- I am sure some will take parts of his speech OUT of CONTEXT to try to disprove what I am saying.
But ,hey that is your problem..
The Jewish religion is a TRIBAL religion as per Jon Entine..this is why they put their emphasis on their blood lines to keep the cohesion of the tribe !
I might add that just as is the Druze faith is along that line..
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This exactly backwards. The Kohaniym are a subset of Lewi'iym. Lewi is one of the eponymous 12 Tribes of Israel. Lewi has a son Q*hath who has a son `Am*ram who has a son Aharon.
The mantle of priesthood was removed from the eldest son of each nuclear family (regardless of tribe) and placed upon Aharon and his descendents.
As for tribal cohesiveness, anybody can become a Jew. However, only Jews of Israelite ancestry can marry a Koheyn. But if convert to Judaism marries a born Jew then their daughter is elegible to marry into the Aharonic priesthood phratry of Lewi.
Is that what you call tribal cohesiveness? Because that's the way it's always been in the tribal "religion" that started out as Hokmath Yisrael/Yehaduth and became Judaism in Europe with the advent of something called Reform Judaism which tried to turn tribal law and ritual into a religion like the Christianity that surrounded them there in Europe.
quote:Originally posted by ray2006: Has anybody listened to author Jon Entine video presentation which one can view via a link from the website in regards to his new book ?
... Cohanims,the priestly class of the Jews(the Levites could be considered a subclan)
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The Jewish religion is a TRIBAL religion as per Jon Entine..this is why they put their emphasis on their blood lines to keep the cohesion of the tribe !
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Entine addresses the riddle of the vast ruins known as the Great Zimbabwe, the only surviving architectural marvel in Africa, and the pride of black Africa -- which geneticists now believe may have been built by Israelites in exodus from the Middle East.
1 - Riddle? What riddle? 2 - The only surving architectural marvel in Africa. ??? 3 - The architectural marvel in Africa suddenly becomes black Africa's pride but pride in what? 3a - A structure built by wandering Israelites in Exodus from the Middle East. 4 - Architecture is defined by geneticists now? Geneticists, really, geneticists ???
OK let me translate. The jungle bunnies are proudly calling the work of foreign Middle Eastern Semites their own. Well, gee, it's all they have to point to.
Again, more from Entine's site: Did descendants of King Solomon and the queen of Sheba build the fabulous stone palace in the heart of Africa known as the Great Zimbabwe?
When were Mwene Mutapa's stone structures erected? Anywhere near Solomon's time? And the mortarless building technique and fitted stone masonry, where in the "Semitic Middle East" was it used?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by alTakruri: [qb] In my sight, baLemba are proliferating the Euro "King Solomon's mines" myth of imported Semitic civilization when they falsely claim to be the originators of stone cities or of Mwene Mutapa civilization.
Make no mistake, understand the impact of their claim in the world's eyes: white Semites from the Middle East migrated to Africa bringing civilization to the natives with whom they have since then misegenated explainin
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The Cohanims- are the priesthood and their duties are separate from that of the Levis.. In modern life:
Kohanims: Synagogue aliyah Blessing during the repetiton of the Shemoneh esrei
Pidyon Haben
Levites: Synagogue aliyah Assisted Kohanim in Behamigdosh and in washing hands if Kohanim
The Tribe of Levi served particular religious duties for the Israelites.I return the landed tribes of Israel were expected to give tithe to the Levites
The title of Kohanim is patrilineal.There are about 350,000 Kohanims amongst the Jews..
Hence the BUBAS claims to be Jews is accurate
See this link to an article written in 1998-already the controversy about DNA testing was starting..
So this is why Jon Entine's books Abrahamschildren...(out since late Oct 2007) will definitively create a big splash especially as per the I.Q. tests that the Jews are more intelligent and the Arabs ,well not that bright !
But Jone Entine points out that only if you consider the Jews as a subgroup- in overall the Eurasians as a group are the most intelligent !
But the way the IQ tests are done leaves a lot to interpretations in my view..
Before making comments taken out of context one must listen to his entire presentation on video to get a grasp..
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^ Lol. Why people who would never read serious scholarship, will nontheless gravitate to any pseudo scholarship they find on the internet is and interesting question I suppose.
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None of this overrules the fact that Aharon the first of the post Exodus Kohaniym was the great-grandson of Lewi.
All tribal designations of Israel are patrilineal.
All Kohaniym are members of the tribe of Lewi. Lewi is not a subclan of Koheyn. That's pure ignorance with no factual base whatsoever.
Kohaniym are from the Am*ram phratry of the Q*hath clan which is of the tribe of Lewi.
And this spelling "Cohanims" is just plain illiterate.
quote:Originally posted by ray2006: The Cohanims- are the priesthood and their duties are separate from that of the Levis.. In modern life:
Kohanims: Synagogue aliyah Blessing during the repetiton of the Shemoneh esrei
Pidyon Haben
Levites: Synagogue aliyah Assisted Kohanim in Behamigdosh and in washing hands if Kohanim
The Tribe of Levi served particular religious duties for the Israelites.I return the landed tribes of Israel were expected to give tithe to the Levites
The title of Kohanim is patrilineal.There are about 350,000 Kohanims amongst the Jews..
Hence the BUBAS claims to be Jews is accurate
See this link to an article written in 1998-already the controversy about DNA testing was starting..
So this is why Jon Entine's books Abrahamschildren...(out since late Oct 2007) will definitively create a big splash especially as per the I.Q. tests that the Jews are more intelligent and the Arabs ,well not that bright !
But Jone Entine points out that only if you consider the Jews as a subgroup- in overall the Eurasians as a group are the most intelligent !
But the way the IQ tests are done leaves a lot to interpretations in my view..
Before making comments taken out of context one must listen to his entire presentation on video to get a grasp..
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quote:Originally posted by rasol: ^ Lol. Why people who would never read serious scholarship, will nontheless gravitate to any pseudo scholarship they find on the internet is and interesting question I suppose.
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To AlTakruri- heck, I go by WHAT THE JEWS are saying about the Kohanims..
Kohanism was also used by Jewish author Jon Entine at the presentation of an advanced copy of his book earlier in 2007 at the International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies ,their annual meeting for 2007
I am no Jew so however I will go by their definitions of what a Kohanim is..
Now if you want to challenge them on the proper terminology/definitions to use, be my guest..
Again to all those lurkers here go to author Jon Entine website for his recent books and view the video conference he gave at the above meeting.. http://www.abrahamschildren.net
If some are too lazy and in lieu want to engage in semantic debates about who said what- hey ,your option..
As of me I try to check the source documentation and no second hand hearsays..
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If I want to find out about a point in Islam I will go to a muslim website,certainly not one run by christian fundamentalist or by Jews..
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By his own admission Entine is far from expert in Judaism but his fanboy doesn't care to know that. At very time I'm explaning this one aspect of Judaism to him he fights reception of this knowledge with tooth and claw. I'd be throwing pearls to swine if I continued trying to share knowledge with him or others as clueless as he.
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To alTakruri and others- of course Jon Entine is no DNA guru but that does not prevent him from looking into the matters..
So far the "experts" here are citing links that are DATED by years to prove their scientific(!) claims..And in genetics anything older than 2-3 yrs is already outdated..
Judaism- Jon Entine stated that Judaism unlike any other religion is CLAN BASED.. I do think that the Druzes could qualify for that definition as well..
Therefore Judaism is not a proletizing religion unlike Christianity or Islam or Buddhism,etc..
But I do not expect the anti"semites"(Jews) here to understand this..
In fact most muslisms and especially the Arabs are incapable of looking at hard facts once their mind is bent on a perticular belief(religious,political or otherwise).And I speak from experience..
The funny thing here is that Judaism has much more in common with Islam than with any of the Christian faiths(Catholicism ,protestantanism,,orthodox,etc..)
Jon Entine stated that DNA analysis of certain isolated populations is also going on in countries like Iceland,etc..
And I might add even in Canada on certain subgroup of the French Canadian population like in the Saguenay area(Quebec) where the same people intermarried for the past + 300 yrs with next to little inter marriages outside their region.
Hence specific genetic diseases are being found and can be traced back to one of their ancestors in a perticular region in France,etc..
Jon Entine was able to confirm a likewise situation as to how females in his family came down with a perticular type of cancer,etc..
Note -here is a link to prove my point-most muslims/Arabs cannot come to grasp with this fact:
No photoshoip montage here..Researcher Eric Phelps was able to confirm its authenticity via other sources as well along with many other disturbing findings..
(there exist a similar bogus website but with a ".com" ,probably run by the Vatican..or one of their minions..
I do not agree with his views(somewhat racist and bigoted to a degree) nor with the philosophy of the http://www.eretzyisroel.org group and similar ones but facts are just that..facts !
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: In my sight, baLemba are proliferating the Euro "King Solomon's mines" myth of imported Semitic civilization when they falsely claim to be the originators of stone cities or of Mwene Mutapa civilization.
Make no mistake, understand the impact of their claim in the world's eyes: white Semites from the Middle East migrated to Africa bringing civilization to the natives with whom they have since then misegenated explaining why they have African colouring and phenotype today. Why do you think that secular white Jewish organization tried to back them and others in Africa who claim Israel/Judah origins?
Interesting, I am glad someone here is hip to the Jews propaganda in stealing African gold and diamonds for 100's of years and being the driving force in the slave trades with the Christians and Muslims(they all seem to work together in the end)..good work alktruri . The Jews have definetly always been evil tricksters and it is sad that Africans would fall for their game and continue to perpetuate it to demonize Africa even further. I would never trust a black Jew who would side with a white semite over another black African. That is just awful Posts: 87 | Registered: Dec 2007
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Further additions-- Tribal/Clannish views are not absent form the muslim world either-off hand I can think of the Kurds,Berbers,etc..
People tend to have a very LONG MEMORY.What surprised me was that for many of these people an historical event that occurred let us say 100,200 or even 1000 yrs ago was as if it was recent history to them..
Hence the "Jews "are no different.
I have no solution as to how to go about untangling this...except that oveer time SOME members of these CLANS/Tribes as they are exposed to other cultures and start inter marrying outside their tribal/clan influences .
Thus their children tend to adopt views that are compatible with the modern world we now live in..and the most orthodox stronghold of their religious beliefs therefore weakened..
Note- in Canada the media is controlled by "nominal Jews"...for the real masters of the media are stirred up the pot,pitching muslism/arabs vs christians, Jews vs Muslims,non Jews etc..and ALWAYS putting forth the most extremist views.
On radio,Tv etc you ALWAYS have the most extreme rabbis,imans,christian believers and the bought and paid for experts that are affiliated to the CFR,Royal Institute of London etc..
Right now the Arabs/muslims of allstripes in Canada have the bad rap closely followed by the blacks from the Caribbeans and the Jews-which actions vs them are done more covertedly.
In Canada close to 33% of the population is now non"caucasian" and believe me they have NO LOVE LOST for the JEWS...
The above groups have replaced to a large degree the French Canadians in as the minority to hate as well as the Natives of Canada..
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quote:Originally posted by ray2006: Judaism- Jon Entine stated that Judaism unlike any other religion is CLAN BASED..
I seriously doubt the veracity of this statement. I can't think of anything truly unique about Judaism and I know that this quality is shared among other religious systems. Shia Islam comes to mind...
quote:I do think that the Druzes could qualify for that definition as well..
Tell me how you didn't just contradict yourself...
quote:But I do not expect the anti"semites"(Jews) here to understand this..
The REAL anti-"Semites" live in Tel Aviv...
quote:In fact most muslisms and especially the Arabs are incapable of looking at hard facts once their mind is bent on a perticular belief(religious,political or otherwise).And I speak from experience..
This goes equally for any fundamentalist, Jewish and Christian fundamentalists included. I also speak from experience...
quote:The funny thing here is that Judaism has much more in common with Islam than with any of the Christian faiths
They all come from the same source.
quote:Note -here is a link to prove my point-most muslims/Arabs cannot come to grasp with this fact:
quote: I do not agree with his views(somewhat racist and bigoted to a degree) nor with the philosophy of the http://www.eretzyisroel.org group and similar ones but facts are just that..facts !
Dude, you wouldn't know a fact if it jumped up and bit you on the ass...
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: From Entine's website about his book:
Entine addresses the riddle of the vast ruins known as the Great Zimbabwe, the only surviving architectural marvel in Africa, and the pride of black Africa -- which geneticists now believe may have been built by Israelites in exodus from the Middle East.
1 - Riddle? What riddle? 2 - The only surving architectural marvel in Africa. ??? 3 - The architectural marvel in Africa suddenly becomes black Africa's pride but pride in what? 3a - A structure built by wandering Israelites in Exodus from the Middle East. 4 - Architecture is defined by geneticists now? Geneticists, really, geneticists ???
OK let me translate. The jungle bunnies are proudly calling the work of foreign Middle Eastern Semites their own. Well, gee, it's all they have to point to.
Again, more from Entine's site: Did descendants of King Solomon and the queen of Sheba build the fabulous stone palace in the heart of Africa known as the Great Zimbabwe?
When were Mwene Mutapa's stone structures erected? Anywhere near Solomon's time? And the mortarless building technique and fitted stone masonry, where in the "Semitic Middle East" was it used?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by alTakruri: [qb] In my sight, baLemba are proliferating the Euro "King Solomon's mines" myth of imported Semitic civilization when they falsely claim to be the originators of stone cities or of Mwene Mutapa civilization.
Make no mistake, understand the impact of their claim in the world's eyes: white Semites from the Middle East migrated to Africa bringing civilization to the natives with whom they have since then misegenated explainin
Well, according to the above rendering, it shocks me none. The attempt of some ill minded individuals to directly plagiarize a part of Black African history has been going on for a while now. Also, I think some may agree that this religious plagiarism is by a people with the impossible biological ability to birth Blacks Africans, who seemingly struggle with telling their own questionable history, and seem to show virtually no moral sign as a group who have learned from their much paraded history of oppression everyone, even to the point of erroneously attempting to make it this history (the holocaust) bigger than Black African slavery (which ironically, according to recorded documents, many by Jewish authors, was largely initiated, funded and operated by Jews).
Witnessing present usurping of the Middle-East and researching past Jewish behavioral policies against other people should automatically raise conscious alarm warning of suspected foreign plagiarism from almost any Jewish project which seems to have a knack for disrespecting, uprooted and confusing established identities of indigenous people. It is a sad reality people shouldn't close their eyes to.
The idea of any organized religion reclassifying any Black African groups is completely groundless. Unfortunately, I can't speak for the Lemba since I am not a Lemba elite. But I think it is appropriate though to cite current re-classification attacks against the Lemba, by Jewish people as an example of the well oiled patterned approaches.
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