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Some one posted a Benin wall well that isn't much of an accomplishment. That is why your Africans civilization isn't as great as you all think it is. Try to find something that truly matters.
Here is some Nordic Art
From the Bronze age Norse peoples. Your people didn't even have the wheel - it was brought by Whites or other Caucasians.
Here's some quotes: Since the beginning of the colonial onslaught, Western influences may have challenged and threatened Nigerian art and culture. But in a perverse way, the European experience also enriched Nigerian art. Admitting it was White influenced. HA!
As for Greeks on all Negroes - it's obvious. 1. Ethiopians are heavily Caucasoid influenced. Especially when Greeks went to Africa. It should also be noted that the Greeks barely saw any Africa BESIDES Ethiopia and North Africa - thus, the true Negroes never touched Greek eyes.
Vitruvius Polio never said they were superior - nor was he even referring to Negroes at all! He never went to sub-Saharan Africa! He was comparing Medteranneans with Northern Europeans.
Where are the Nordics in Roman and Greek art? HA! Since I'm just running through this - try reading the Illiad - where Homer references many to having blond hair, such as Achilles and Menelaus. Dio of Prusa, a Greek orator, claimed blondness is the most beautiful. Apollonius Rhodius describes the hero Jason, and all fifty of the Argonauts, as blond-haired. Bacchylides claimed Spartan woman were blond and Dicaearchus claimed the same with Thebes.
Also, look up the bust of Alexander the Great - showing him with RED HAIR. And his descendants in the Middle East - a tribe claiming direct descent from his army often has red/blond hair and colored eyes - like the Nooristani and Kalash people.
Why are you all so hypocritical?
Why are Whites all different races (You claim Nordic and Mediterannean) - while ALL AFRICANS are your Black race?
When Ethiopians were classified as Caucasoid by early Anthropologists - and this has been affirmed by DNA studies (They are not Negroid in origin - but a separate race with Caucasoid admixture and small amounts of Negroid. They are TROPICALLY ADAPTED, thus "Black" in skin only)
Also a link between Egypt and Negro culture means nothing. There is a link between predynastic Egypt and the Fertile Crescent. Perhaps they are from there?
Much evidence links Naqada peoples with CAUCASOIDS.
Try Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt page 455-458 and 501-505. Cultural links to the Fertile Crescent.
Ethiopians are heavily mixed with Caucasoids. Many anthropologists group Hornians with Caucasoids - because of their morphological affinities.
African does not mean Negroid.
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You seem to have skipped this part of the article.
This culture reflects African, and in some areas, Islamic influences. In the north, the principal inspiration for the architecture and calligraphy was Islam. Because Islam frowns on the representation of people and animals, art forms such as ceremonial carvings are virtually absent in the north. In the south and non-Muslim parts of the north, indigenous peoples produced their own art long before Europeans arrived.
Clearly here in this part it says southern Nigerians produced their beautiful art long before the arrival of Europeans.
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Arabegypt is clearly a fraud. Please do not let this thread go any further. It's a waste of time.
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Okay, I'm back. I see you're still at it. You desperately crave he humiliation but I'm not surprised. You dumb waps are masochists when it comes to being discredited! You already admitted to being a liar once even though you continue using the moniker of 'Arab'!
Here we go.
quote:Originally posted by arabegypt: Some one posted a Benin wall well that isn't much of an accomplishment. That is why your Africans civilization isn't as great as you all think it is.
First of all, it's NOT a 'Benin wall'. It's the Erido wall of Nigeria. And of course it's an accomplishment since it is one of the largest human structures in the world using more material than even the Great Pyramids! I recall you calling it a pile of "mud", it it as actually made up mud-brick or terracotta. Your idiot self obviously can't distinguish the difference since if it was made of just 'mud' the structure would have never lasted this long. Mud-brick on the other hand is baked and is a strong building material. The majority of the buildings the ancient Egyptians constructed were made of mud-brick, with only temples and tombs made of harder stone.
You keep criticizing African civilizations, when you don't know a thing about them! You even think the great Egyptian civilization wasn't African when it obviously was!! LOL
quote:Try to find something that truly matters.
Here is some Nordic Art
From the Bronze age Norse peoples. Your people didn't even have the wheel - it was brought by Whites or other Caucasians.
Nonsense. Africans have had the wheel centuries before Europeans as evidence in Nile Valley i.e. Egyptian/Nubian cultures.
By the way here is a golden rhino from the Monomotapa civilization of Southern Africa
Benin bust
Of course I don't have to include any of the countless examples of art from Egypt.
I don't even have to show examples from Egypt which represent.
quote:The Benin Art you all posted came here
ttp://www.e-nigeria.net/page.php?id=173
Here's some quotes: Since the beginning of the colonial onslaught, Western influences may have challenged and threatened Nigerian art and culture. But in a perverse way, the European experience also enriched Nigerian art. Admitting it was White influenced. HA!
LMAO And where in that source did it say the Benin bronzes such as the one I posted above is the result of European influence?!! You idiot, those busts were made centuries before Europeans even showed up! Quit with the stupid lies!!
quote:As for Greeks on all Negroes - it's obvious. 1. Ethiopians are heavily Caucasoid influenced. Especially when Greeks went to Africa. It should also be noted that the Greeks barely saw any Africa BESIDES Ethiopia and North Africa - thus, the true Negroes never touched Greek eyes.
So please define your term of "caucasoid" and "true negro" let alone 'caucasoid influence'!! As I recall the classification of "negroid" is nothing but a farce, let alone cacasoid. Also, the 'Ethiopia' that Greeks referred to is the land south of Egypt and NOT modern day Ethiopian you moron! Either way, blacks are indigenous to ALL of African including North Africa and East Africa. Can you please provide evidence of any 'white' influence in these regions??
quote:Vitruvius Polio never said they were superior - nor was he even referring to Negroes at all! He never went to sub-Saharan Africa! He was comparing Medteranneans with Northern Europeans.
But he did go to North Africa where again blacks are native including the Egyptians, you moron!! I suggest you stop referencing Classical authors to save you embarassment. Remember last time you cited Africanus's reference to primitive Galatae as Africans when in fact they were Celts! LOL
quote:Where are the Nordics in Roman and Greek art? HA! Since I'm just running through this - try reading the Illiad - where Homer references many to having blond hair, such as Achilles and Menelaus. Dio of Prusa, a Greek orator, claimed blondness is the most beautiful. Apollonius Rhodius describes the hero Jason, and all fifty of the Argonauts, as blond-haired. Bacchylides claimed Spartan woman were blond and Dicaearchus claimed the same with Thebes.
Whether blondes were present in Greece is not the issue. The point is the vast majority of Greeks in ancient times as it is today were NOT blonde. That's European history that you should argue with other Euros about. I thought your beef was with African history??
quote:Also, look up the bust of Alexander the Great - showing him with RED HAIR. And his descendants in the Middle East - a tribe claiming direct descent from his army often has red/blond hair and colored eyes - like the Nooristani and Kalash people.
First of all the Nuris and Kalash are NOT in the Middle-East unless you count Afghanistan, Pakistan/Kashmiri as such! Second of all, there is no evidence of Alexander even going through those areas! And third, as I just pointed out before the majority of Greek/Macedonian men had dark hair.--- All of this together seems to support the FACT that any claims to Alexanders men from these people did not start until it became a popular fad started by British colonials!
quote:Why are you all so hypocritical?
Funny. The only hypocritical is YOU and all the other racist losers.
quote:Why are Whites all different races (You claim Nordic and Mediterannean) - while ALL AFRICANS are your Black race?
Actually nobody in here even claims the existence of 'races' except YOU. Second, 'black' is a description of skin color and NOT a race.
quote:When Ethiopians were classified as Caucasoid by early Anthropologists - and this has been affirmed by DNA studies (They are not Negroid in origin - but a separate race with Caucasoid admixture and small amounts of Negroid. They are TROPICALLY ADAPTED, thus "Black" in skin only)
Incorrect. The very classification of "caucasoid" is due to features such as long or narrow noses and long faces. We know that such features are have NOTHING to do with the Caucasus Mountains or Europe! Also DNA studies further prove that North and East Africans show genetic continuity with the rest of Africa i.e. with other blacks!
Also, Tropical adaptation includes not just skin color but other features such as skeletal structure. NON of which is associated with Europeans so exactly what constitutes your "caucasoid race" that groups Europeans with East African Ethiopians??!! You say they Ethiopians are 'black' in skin color only but what else does being 'black' entail you moron??!! ROTLFLMAO Do you realize how crazy you sound??!
quote:Also a link between Egypt and Negro culture means nothing. There is a link between predynastic Egypt and the Fertile Crescent. Perhaps they are from there?
Again, there is no such thing as "negro" let alone "negro culture" but there is such a thing as African culture which Egypt is! Also what link is there exactly between predynastic Egypt and the Fertile Crescent?? Can you point this out??
quote:Much evidence links Naqada peoples with CAUCASOIDS.
What is this evidence? Especially considering "caucasoid" does not exist.
quote:Try Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt page 455-458 and 501-505. Cultural links to the Fertile Crescent.
How about try, citing the exact source here for a change?! Unless you're lying about that as well.
quote:Ethiopians are heavily mixed with Caucasoids. Many anthropologists group Hornians with Caucasoids - because of their morphological affinities.
It's already been explained that morphological affinities vary greatly among human populations and the same is especially true of Africa!
quote:African does not mean Negroid.
Of course not, because "negroid" is a specious made up term!
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quote:Originally posted by racistloser: Stop taking pride in the Ethiopians because they are dark skinned Caucasoids.
LMAOH
Again, can you please DEFINE for us what "caucasoids" are!
^ All these people above are no less dark than other Sub-Saharans like Nigerians i.e. BLACK! Despite your wishes, Ethiopia is still south of the Sahara, but even then blacks are found in the Sahara as well as north of it.
Why don't YOU STOP TAKING PRIDE IN BLACK AFRICAN CULTURES WHEN YOU ARE A BLACK-HATING WHITE LOSER??-- is the better question.
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^ Do you know why you're the only one here who so enthusiastically takes on this guy Mary? Because you are trying to hide your own Eurocentric views re Afrocentricity and the ancient Egyptians vis-a-vis Classical Greeks.
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^ Actually, I'm enthusiastic at exposing racist morons. I was with you at first, but your act got tired long time ago.
Also, the only one projecting here is YOU as you seem to have alot in common with the Aryanist neo-nazi. The only difference is I don't think he likes to take it up the you know what. Posts: 26293 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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The Egyptian civilization was white civilization a painting from Itet's tomb at saggara shows a very Nordic looking man with blond hair.
(‘Races Humaines de la Vallee du Nil’, E.T. Hamy, Bulletin de la Societe d'Anthropologie de Paris, 1886, p.739)
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It’s a common misconception that Europeans have a similar skull shape and facial features because Ethiopia was the presumed exit point for humans leaving Africa. In fact, if this were true, all the people of the world would look Caucasian, and they obviously don’t. The original people that left Africa would not have resembled any modern ethnic group of people, they had Mongoloid, Caucasoid and Australoid characteristics. The modern racial appearances are all relatively modern, when you go back past 40,000 years none of them exist in their modern form. The Caucasian appearance of some Ethiopians is in a large part due to their Eruasian ancestry.
Mt DNA type ‘M’ is thought to have originated somewhere in the Pakistan area about 64,000 years ago, and migrated back to Africa bout 30,000 years ago. An expansion of the Semitic speaking Neolithic farmers from about 9,000 years ago also accounts for some Caucasian ancestry. This expansion took a wide variety of near Eastern Mt DNA and Y chromosome haplotypes into the Horn of Africa. There has also been some historical population movement into the horn of Africa since the advent of Islam
Anyway, the gist of these collected DNA studies is that Ethiopians are about 40% Caucasian, and are genetically a little more closely related to Mediterranean Caucasian groups like Berbers and Arabs than Western Africans, as is shown by this twig map. The actual amount of admixture varies from one group to another, but 40% is the average of all these samples. There is a Y chromosome study here that goes into more detail.
“Notably, 62% of the Ethiopians fall in the first cluster, which encompasses the majority of the Jews, Norwegians and Armenians, indicating that placement of these individuals in a ‘Black’ cluster would be an inaccurate reflection of the genetic structure. Only 24% of the Ethiopians are placed in the cluster with the Bantu and most of the Afro-Caribbeans.”
(Passarino et al. 1998)
“On the basis of historical, linguistic, and genetic data, it has been suggested that the Ethiopian population has been strongly affected by Caucasoid migrations since Neolithic times. On the basis of autosomal polymorphic loci, it has been estimated that 60% of the Ethiopian gene pool has an African origin, whereas ~40% is of Caucasoid derivation…. Our Ethiopian sample also lacks the sY81-G allele, which was associated with 86% and 69% of Senegalese and mixed-African YAP+ chromosomes, respectively. This suggests that male-mediated gene flow from Niger-Congo speakers to the Ethiopian population was probably very limited … Caucasoid gene flow into the Ethiopian gene pool occurred predominantly through males. Conversely, the Niger-Congo contribution to the Ethiopian population occurred mainly through females.*“
(Poloni et al. 1997)
Approximately 10 miles separate the Horn of Africa from the Arabian Peninsula at Bab-el-Mandeb (the Gate of Tears). Both historic and archaeological evidence indicate tight cultural connections, over millennia, between these two regions. High-resolution phylogenetic analysis of 270 Ethiopian and 115 Yemeni mitochondrial DNAs was performed in a worldwide context, to explore gene flow across the Red and Arabian Seas. Nine distinct subclades, including three newly defined ones, were found to characterize entirely the variation of Ethiopian and Yemeni L3 lineages. Both Ethiopians and Yemenis contain an almost-equal proportion of Eurasian-specific M and N and African-specific lineages and therefore cluster together in a multidimensional scaling plot between Near Eastern and sub-Saharan African populations. Phylogeographic identification of potential founder haplotypes revealed that approximately one-half of haplogroup L0-L5 lineages in Yemenis have close or matching counterparts in southeastern Africans, compared with a minor share in Ethiopians. Newly defined clade L6, the most frequent haplogroup in Yemenis, showed no close matches among 3,000 African samples. These results highlight the complexity of Ethiopian and Yemeni genetic heritage and are consistent with the introduction of maternal lineages into the South Arabian gene pool from different source populations of East Africa. A high proportion of Ethiopian lineages, significantly more abundant in the northeast of that country, trace their western Eurasian origin in haplogroup N through assorted gene flow at different times and involving different source populations.
(Toomas Kivisild et al.) Human Biology 75.2 (2003) 293-300
Genetic Variation at Apolipoprotein E Locus in Ethiopia: An E5 Variant Corresponds to Two Different Mutant Alleles: E*5 (Glu212Lys) and E*5 (Gln204Lys; Cys112Arg) R. Scacchi et al.
“Non sub-Saharan African samples are all grouped together…with…the Ethiopian Amharic sample [on the Y-chromosome]. Ethiopians are not statistically differentiated from the Egyptian and Tunisian samples, in agreement with their linguistic affiliation with the Afro-Asiatic family.” The occurrence of E*5 212 and E*5 204 alleles in two populations of the Mediterranean basin (Turkey and Italy) but not in West Africans can be explained by taking into account that the Ethiopian gene pool was estimated to be >40% of Caucasoid derivation (Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1994). In addition, more recent phylogenetic analysis based on classical protein polymorphism (Tartaglia et al. 1996) and Y-chromosome sequence variation (Underhill et al. 2000) showed that Ethiopians appear to be distinct from Africans and more closely associated with populations of the Mediterranean basin.
(Scacchi et al. 2003) Though present-day Ethiopia is a land of great ethnic diversity, the majority of Ethiopians speak different Semitic, Cushitic, and Omotic languages that belong to the Afro-Asiatic linguistic phylum. Maternal lineages of Semitic- (Amharic, Tigrinya, and Gurage) and Cushitic- (Oromo and Afar) speaking populations studied here reveal that their mtDNA pool is a nearly equal composite of sub-Saharan and western Eurasian lineages. This finding, consistent with classic genetic-marker studies (Cavalli-Sforza 1997) and previous mtDNA results, is also in agreement with a similarly high proportion of western Asian Y chromosomes in Ethiopians (Passarino et al. 1998; Semino et al. 2002), which supports the view (Richards et al. 2003) that the observed admixture between sub-Saharan African and, most probably, western Asian ancestors of the Ethiopian populations applies to their gene pool in general.
(Am. J. Hum. Genet., 75:000, 2004)
“The present composition of the Ethiopian population is the result of a complex and extensive intermixing of different peoples of North African, Near and Middle Eastern, and south-Saharan origin. The two main groups inhabiting the country are the Amhara, descended from Arabian conquerors, and the Oromo, the most important group among the Cushitic people. … The genetic distance analysis showed the separation between African and non-African populations, with the Amhara and Oromo located in an intermediate position.”
(De Stefano et al. 2002)
East African groups, such as Ethiopians and Somalis, have great genetic resemblance to Caucasians and are clearly intermediate between sub-Saharan Africans and Caucasians [5]. The existence of such intermediate groups should not, however, overshadow the fact that the greatest genetic structure that exists in the human population occurs at the racial level.
Most recently, Wilson et al. [2] studied 354 individuals from 8 populations deriving from Africa (Bantus, Afro-Caribbeans and Ethiopians), Europe/Mideast (Norwegians, Ashkenazi Jews and Armenians), Asia (Chinese) and Pacific Islands (Papua New Guineans). Their study was based on cluster analysis using 39 microsatellite loci. Consistent with previous studies, they obtained evidence of four clusters representing the major continental(racial) divisions described above as African, Caucasian, Asian, and Pacific Islander. The one population in their analysis that was seemingly not clearly classified on continental grounds was the Ethiopians, who clustered more into the Caucasian group. But it is known that African populations with close contact with Middle East populations, including Ethiopians and North Africans, have had significant admixture from Middle Eastern (Caucasian) groups, and are thus more closely related to Caucasians [14]. http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/caucasian-africans/Posts: 130 | Registered: Mar 2009
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So egypt was a White Civilization? What do you say about these Facts:
Ancient Egyptian as an African Language, Egypt as an African Culture
Christopher Ehret Professor of History, African Studies Chair University of California at Los Angeles
Ancient Egyptian civilization was, in ways and to an extent usually not recognized, fundamentally African. The evidence of both language and culture reveals these African roots.
The origins of Egyptian ethnicity lay in the areas south of Egypt.
Sir Alan Gardiner: These were long-headed-dolicocephalic is the learned term-and below even medium stature, but Negroid features are often to be observed. Whatever may be said of the northerners, it is safe to describe the dwellers in Upper Egypt as of essentially African stock , a character always retained despite alien influences brought to bear on them from time to time." (pg. 392; Egypt of the Pharaohs 1966)
X-ray Atlas of the Royal Mummies (Chicago: University of Chicago, 1980).
Courtesy of James Harris and Edward Wente:
In terms of head shape, the XVIV and XX dynasties look more like the early Nubian skulls from the mesolithic with low vaults and sloping, curved foreheads.The XVII and XVIII dynasty skulls are shaped more like modern Nubians with globular skulls and high vaults.
The people who bear the greatest resemblence to the ancient Egyptians, at present, are the Nubians; and next are the Abyssinians; page 530
Edward Lane Manners and Customs of the Modern Egyptians
The period when sub-Saharan Africa was most influential in Egypt was a time when neither Egypt, as we understand it culturally, nor the Sahara, as we understand it geographically, existed. Populations and cultures now found south of the desert roamed far to the north. The culture of Upper Egypt, which became dynastic Egyptian civilization, could fairly be called a Sudanese transplant. Encyclopedia of Precolonial Africa, by Joseph O. Vogel, AltaMira Press, Walnut Creek, California (1997), pp. 465-472
Determination of optimal rehydration, fixation and staining methods for histological and immunohistochemical analysis of mummified soft tissues
A-M Mekota1, M Vermehren2
Biotechnic & Histochemistry 2005, 80(1): 7_/13
"Materials and methods In 1997, the German Institute for Archaeology headed an excavation of the tombs of the nobles in Thebes-West, Upper Egypt. At this time, three types of tissues were sampled from different mummies: meniscus (fibrocartilage), skin, and placenta. Archaeological findings suggest that the mummies dated from the New Kingdom (approximately 1550_/1080 BC)..... The basal epithelial cells were packed with melanin as expected for specimens of Negroid origin."
What do you have to say.
Peace
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quote:Originally posted by whiteliar: The Egyptian civilization was white civilization a painting from Itet's tomb at saggara shows a very Nordic looking man with blond hair.
(‘Races Humaines de la Vallee du Nil’, E.T. Hamy, Bulletin de la Societe d'Anthropologie de Paris, 1886, p.739)
And can you please show us pictures of these Nordic Egyptians?? I have yet to see such depictions of the Egyptians, but we do have these...
^ Sorry no Nordic or any white types.
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^ I'm no moderator but I know that Egyptsearch does not link to RACIST LYING websites, which is obviously where you get all your b.s.
quote:white liar wrote: Ethiopian DNA studies and sundries.
It’s a common misconception that Europeans have a similar skull shape and facial features because Ethiopia was the presumed exit point for humans leaving Africa. In fact, if this were true, all the people of the world would look Caucasian, and they obviously don’t. The original people that left Africa would not have resembled any modern ethnic group of people, they had Mongoloid, Caucasoid and Australoid characteristics. The modern racial appearances are all relatively modern, when you go back past 40,000 years none of them exist in their modern form. The Caucasian appearance of some Ethiopians is in a large part due to their Eruasian ancestry.
Mt DNA type ‘M’ is thought to have originated somewhere in the Pakistan area about 64,000 years ago, and migrated back to Africa bout 30,000 years ago. An expansion of the Semitic speaking Neolithic farmers from about 9,000 years ago also accounts for some Caucasian ancestry. This expansion took a wide variety of near Eastern Mt DNA and Y chromosome haplotypes into the Horn of Africa. There has also been some historical population movement into the horn of Africa since the advent of Islam
Anyway, the gist of these collected DNA studies is that Ethiopians are about 40% Caucasian, and are genetically a little more closely related to Mediterranean Caucasian groups like Berbers and Arabs than Western Africans, as is shown by this twig map. The actual amount of admixture varies from one group to another, but 40% is the average of all these samples. There is a Y chromosome study here that goes into more detail.
“Notably, 62% of the Ethiopians fall in the first cluster, which encompasses the majority of the Jews, Norwegians and Armenians, indicating that placement of these individuals in a ‘Black’ cluster would be an inaccurate reflection of the genetic structure. Only 24% of the Ethiopians are placed in the cluster with the Bantu and most of the Afro-Caribbeans.”
(Passarino et al. 1998)
“On the basis of historical, linguistic, and genetic data, it has been suggested that the Ethiopian population has been strongly affected by Caucasoid migrations since Neolithic times. On the basis of autosomal polymorphic loci, it has been estimated that 60% of the Ethiopian gene pool has an African origin, whereas ~40% is of Caucasoid derivation…. Our Ethiopian sample also lacks the sY81-G allele, which was associated with 86% and 69% of Senegalese and mixed-African YAP+ chromosomes, respectively. This suggests that male-mediated gene flow from Niger-Congo speakers to the Ethiopian population was probably very limited … Caucasoid gene flow into the Ethiopian gene pool occurred predominantly through males. Conversely, the Niger-Congo contribution to the Ethiopian population occurred mainly through females.*“
(Poloni et al. 1997)
Approximately 10 miles separate the Horn of Africa from the Arabian Peninsula at Bab-el-Mandeb (the Gate of Tears). Both historic and archaeological evidence indicate tight cultural connections, over millennia, between these two regions. High-resolution phylogenetic analysis of 270 Ethiopian and 115 Yemeni mitochondrial DNAs was performed in a worldwide context, to explore gene flow across the Red and Arabian Seas. Nine distinct subclades, including three newly defined ones, were found to characterize entirely the variation of Ethiopian and Yemeni L3 lineages. Both Ethiopians and Yemenis contain an almost-equal proportion of Eurasian-specific M and N and African-specific lineages and therefore cluster together in a multidimensional scaling plot between Near Eastern and sub-Saharan African populations. Phylogeographic identification of potential founder haplotypes revealed that approximately one-half of haplogroup L0-L5 lineages in Yemenis have close or matching counterparts in southeastern Africans, compared with a minor share in Ethiopians. Newly defined clade L6, the most frequent haplogroup in Yemenis, showed no close matches among 3,000 African samples. These results highlight the complexity of Ethiopian and Yemeni genetic heritage and are consistent with the introduction of maternal lineages into the South Arabian gene pool from different source populations of East Africa. A high proportion of Ethiopian lineages, significantly more abundant in the northeast of that country, trace their western Eurasian origin in haplogroup N through assorted gene flow at different times and involving different source populations.
(Toomas Kivisild et al.) Human Biology 75.2 (2003) 293-300
Genetic Variation at Apolipoprotein E Locus in Ethiopia: An E5 Variant Corresponds to Two Different Mutant Alleles: E*5 (Glu212Lys) and E*5 (Gln204Lys; Cys112Arg) R. Scacchi et al.
“Non sub-Saharan African samples are all grouped together…with…the Ethiopian Amharic sample [on the Y-chromosome]. Ethiopians are not statistically differentiated from the Egyptian and Tunisian samples, in agreement with their linguistic affiliation with the Afro-Asiatic family.” The occurrence of E*5 212 and E*5 204 alleles in two populations of the Mediterranean basin (Turkey and Italy) but not in West Africans can be explained by taking into account that the Ethiopian gene pool was estimated to be >40% of Caucasoid derivation (Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1994). In addition, more recent phylogenetic analysis based on classical protein polymorphism (Tartaglia et al. 1996) and Y-chromosome sequence variation (Underhill et al. 2000) showed that Ethiopians appear to be distinct from Africans and more closely associated with populations of the Mediterranean basin.
(Scacchi et al. 2003) Though present-day Ethiopia is a land of great ethnic diversity, the majority of Ethiopians speak different Semitic, Cushitic, and Omotic languages that belong to the Afro-Asiatic linguistic phylum. Maternal lineages of Semitic- (Amharic, Tigrinya, and Gurage) and Cushitic- (Oromo and Afar) speaking populations studied here reveal that their mtDNA pool is a nearly equal composite of sub-Saharan and western Eurasian lineages. This finding, consistent with classic genetic-marker studies (Cavalli-Sforza 1997) and previous mtDNA results, is also in agreement with a similarly high proportion of western Asian Y chromosomes in Ethiopians (Passarino et al. 1998; Semino et al. 2002), which supports the view (Richards et al. 2003) that the observed admixture between sub-Saharan African and, most probably, western Asian ancestors of the Ethiopian populations applies to their gene pool in general.
(Am. J. Hum. Genet., 75:000, 2004)
“The present composition of the Ethiopian population is the result of a complex and extensive intermixing of different peoples of North African, Near and Middle Eastern, and south-Saharan origin. The two main groups inhabiting the country are the Amhara, descended from Arabian conquerors, and the Oromo, the most important group among the Cushitic people. … The genetic distance analysis showed the separation between African and non-African populations, with the Amhara and Oromo located in an intermediate position.”
(De Stefano et al. 2002)
East African groups, such as Ethiopians and Somalis, have great genetic resemblance to Caucasians and are clearly intermediate between sub-Saharan Africans and Caucasians [5]. The existence of such intermediate groups should not, however, overshadow the fact that the greatest genetic structure that exists in the human population occurs at the racial level.
Most recently, Wilson et al. [2] studied 354 individuals from 8 populations deriving from Africa (Bantus, Afro-Caribbeans and Ethiopians), Europe/Mideast (Norwegians, Ashkenazi Jews and Armenians), Asia (Chinese) and Pacific Islands (Papua New Guineans). Their study was based on cluster analysis using 39 microsatellite loci. Consistent with previous studies, they obtained evidence of four clusters representing the major continental(racial) divisions described above as African, Caucasian, Asian, and Pacific Islander. The one population in their analysis that was seemingly not clearly classified on continental grounds was the Ethiopians, who clustered more into the Caucasian group. But it is known that African populations with close contact with Middle East populations, including Ethiopians and North Africans, have had significant admixture from Middle Eastern (Caucasian) groups, and are thus more closely related to Caucasians [14]. http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/caucasian-africans/
First things first. Before you can even begin to count these studies as valid you need to define the terms "caucasoid" and "negroid"!! What does each term mean, and what is the basis of each term?? I notice you like to use the phrase 'true negro' and one of the charts above has the same phrase but what about 'true caucasian'??-- Why have I not heard of a true caucasian but only 'true negro'. If there is a 'true negro' then does that mean there is a false negro as well?? Tell us, oh great white loser what all these racial terms mean before you can even begin to prove your point!!
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I am waiting for mathilda to define those words she is where I get a lot of my information from.
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Djehuti...reading the threads on this site i have figured out patterns.
For one....Arabegypt doesn't even believe half the stuff he posts. It's only done in order to cause kaos among you guys. I hate to see this happen because i learn so much from this site. To many pages are devoted to idiot postings. They seem to get the most attention. Actual people who want to learn something post threads that get ignored or they get blasted for asking. Something is wrong here and Arabegypt, evileuro or whatever eurocentrics of the week knows this. They take advantage of this.
It hurts the eurocentric to witness the accomplishments of the ancient indingeous africans. The only thing they can do is claim these obvious dark skinned people are "Caucasion" or white or any other than the obvious. I and other "lurkers" find it funny. You and some others on the other hand seem to waste time in debating these idiots.
In the future i hope some of you take this same time and effort to answer any questions i may have the same way you devote time to "debating" these idiots.
I truely want to learn from you guys.
"Never waste time arguing with idiots. They drag you down to there level and beat you with experiance"
You could do alot to stop the lies of people like Mathilda. They purposly use people like you who are seeking truth, and throw them lies that they repeat, not realizing that it is lies they are spreading.
You seem like someone smart enough to not fall for these lies. Fight for truth and not lies.
Peace
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quote:Originally posted by akoben: Me thinks "arabegypt" is really Mary. Just a thought...
If he is Mary Lefkowitz, then the old bird is crazier than I thought. But if that were the case you're Jew-frightenedass would be here now would you??
quote:Originally posted by white-loser: I am waiting for mathilda to define those words she is where I get a lot of my information from.
ROTFLMAO
So not only are you getting your info from Moronic-Mathilda but you actually spout stuff that you don't have a clue as to what they mean??!! If it wasn't for Argay I would say you are one of the dumbest trolls we have! LOL
Well, if you're waiting from a reply from Mathilda don't hold your breath!
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That picture above is a modern Ethiopian painting of obvious European influence hence the pale skin but I don't see any Nordic appearance as non of them are blonde or blue-eyed! Stop your silly lies cuz nobody here is as stupid as you!
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Djehuti , why are you so obsessed over supporting the myth of black egypt ? Egypt was an Aryan civilization and you being Asian(the second most intelligence race) should know that.
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quote:Originally posted by naturalborn7: Djehuti...reading the threads on this site i have figured out patterns.
For one....Arabegypt doesn't even believe half the stuff he posts. It's only done in order to cause kaos among you guys. I hate to see this happen because i learn so much from this site. To many pages are devoted to idiot postings. They seem to get the most attention. Actual people who want to learn something post threads that get ignored or they get blasted for asking. Something is wrong here and Arabegypt, evileuro or whatever eurocentrics of the week knows this. They take advantage of this.
It hurts the eurocentric to witness the accomplishments of the ancient indingeous africans. The only thing they can do is claim these obvious dark skinned people are "Caucasion" or white or any other than the obvious. I and other "lurkers" find it funny. You and some others on the other hand seem to waste time in debating these idiots.
In the future i hope some of you take this same time and effort to answer any questions i may have the same way you devote time to "debating" these idiots.
I truely want to learn from you guys.
"Never waste time arguing with idiots. They drag you down to there level and beat you with experiance"
Remember that!!!
I agree with everything you say Natural, except the last part. I never 'argue' with idiots. I like to use them for entertainment purposes. This is something we vets of the forum like to do.-- To expose racists of their lunacy and idiocy while at the same time educating people.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: If he is Mary Lefkowitz, then the old bird is crazier than I thought.
Yes he is you Mary, and yes you have serious psychological issues.
Moving on...
Notice how Mary enthusiastically replies to the same arguments that have long been addressed and debunked on ES as if it's the first time Eurocentrics are making them here? She does this because she is trying to deflect from her own Eurocentric views (read: slip ups) re the ancient Egyptians and black scholarship as seen in the thread below.
There she made it quite clear that Prof James book was "silly" even though she has shown no evidence whatsoever that she has read the book, outside your cut and paste of Eurocentrics reviews.
She also made it quite clear in that thread she sees Afrocentricity as not real scholarship. In other words, all this back and forth with "arabegypt" is simply her puppet show distraction.
quote:Originally posted by white-idiot: Djehuti , why are you so obsessed over supporting the myth of black egypt? Egypt was an Aryan civilization and you being Asian(the second most intelligence race) should know that.
The only myth, actually fantasy is that Egypt wasn't black but white!! You call it "myth", yet you haven't refuted any of the evidence while being debunked yourself!!
You have failed to prove:
1. That Egyptians were white.
2. The origins of Egyptian civilization being anywhere outside of Africa.
All you do is spout nonsense. Now we're waiting for you to produce evidence, dumb boy!
and LMAO @ "second most intelligent race" Posts: 26293 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by assopen: Yes he is you Mary, and yes you have serious psychological issues.
Moving on...
Notice how Mary enthusiastically replies to the same arguments that have long been addressed and debunked on ES as if it's the first time Eurocentrics are making them here? She does this because she is trying to deflect from her own Eurocentric views (read: slip ups) re the ancient Egyptians and black scholarship as seen in the thread below.
There she made it quite clear that Prof James book was "silly" even though she has shown no evidence whatsoever that she has read the book, outside your cut and paste of Eurocentrics reviews.
She also made it quite clear in that thread she sees Afrocentricity as not real scholarship. In other words, all this back and forth with "arabegypt" is simply her puppet show distraction.
Of course the troll isn't me, nor am I Mary Lefkowitz or have ever any of her work as YOU falsely claim!
Now stop denying that you Euros have African admixture about 30%, leave this forum and Get back to work!! Posts: 26293 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by white-idiot: Djehuti , why are you so obsessed over supporting the myth of black egypt? Egypt was an Aryan civilization and you being Asian(the second most intelligence race) should know that.
All you do is spout nonsense.
You mean nonsense like classical "Greek" philosophy was "home grown" and Stolen Legacy is a "silly book" and not real scholarship? That nonsense Mary?
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^ Actually, it's funny that the chaos you point out stems from Assopen. Before him, it was a simple debate between me and the idiot fake-arab. If I didn't know any better I'd say Assopen jumped in cuz his fellow white 'aryan' brother is under attack! LOL
Speaking of which.. Fake-arab, we are waiting for your definitions of "negroid" and "cacasoid".
Has Mathilda answered you yet?? LOLPosts: 26293 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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^ I notice your penchant for posting pictures of famous Jews. If I didn't know any better I'd say part of your hatred of Jews is that you envy them. Can anyone say Jew-envy?? Posts: 26293 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Actually, it's funny that the chaos you point out stems from Assopen. Before him, it was a simple debate between me and the idiot fake-arab. If I didn't know any better I'd say Assopen jumped in cuz his fellow white 'aryan' brother is under attack! LOL
Speaking of which.. Fake-arab, we are waiting for your definitions of "negroid" and "cacasoid".
Has Mathilda answered you yet?? LOL
The self confessed fake arab can't answer that... neither can Mahtilda. The only thing he can do is post another idiotic thread and run from the one he started.
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