quote: ...please, please...this topic isn't predicated on a religious ideology nor a personal opinion;"do you believe" is an insignificant question when one is presenting significant facts.
Don't dodge the question by playing on words Wally. I'll even rephrase the question to remove any doubt of what I am asking you.
Wally, were Africans from the horn such as Eritreans, Ethiopians, Somalis, Djibouti brought to the Americas as slaves?
Its a simple question Wally.
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Wally, you say that some African Americans go to Egypt and are assumed to be native Egyptians or that some AAs look like native Egyptians. How is that possible?
Because according to what you wrote previously the only Africans who came to the Americas as slaves were those from so called "west" Africa and the Swahili coast. They did not come from Egypt, according to you.
Those people do not look like indigenous Egyptians Wally. Therefore you need to explain how it is possible that AAs look like indigenous egyptians. Tell us Wally.
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The Bamiléké of Cameroun - another African-American ancestor...
Bami ruler
The Egyptian origin of the Bamiléké
The ancestry of the Bamiléké people can be traced back to Egypt...
The Bamiléké are a group of the *Baladis, who are said to be the real native people of Egypt. It is believed that the Bamiléké went down the Nile, crossed many rivers and cliffs using extraordinary mystical means. They crossed the kingdoms of Ouaddai and Kanem and reached the Lake Chad region, after several moments of settlements. Their long journey from Egypt to the Tikar region, where they settled for long, lasted over two centuries (9-11th century).
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*Baladi = local, indigenous, native; refers to the “real Egyptian”, or “Masri Asil”, as opposed to the western occupiers and westernized Egyptians, known as “Afrang”.
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"Bamileke belongs to the Mbam-Nkam group of Graffi languages, whose attachment to the Bantu division is still disputed. While some consider it a Bantu or semi-Bantu language, others prefer to include Bamileke in the Niger-Congo group. Bamileke is not a unique language. It seems that Bamileke Medumba stems from ancient Egyptian and is the root language for many other Bamileke variants." http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/topic,463af2212,469f2d172,3f7d4d7134,0.html
"The Bamileke are part of the Bantu peoples and occupy western regions of Cameroon. Tribal history gives the Bamileke (an) Egyptian origin, migration from the banks of the Nile in the 9th century..." http://www.primitivearts.co.uk/page8.htmlPosts: 3344 | From: Berkeley | Registered: Oct 2003
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Wally they are only two simple questions. Apparently they frighten you immensely. Are you afraid that if you answer you will reveal your belief in eurocentric pseudoscience and its affiliate pseudohistory?
Wally, were Africans from the horn such as Eritreans, Ethiopians, Somalis, Djibouti brought to the Americas as slaves?
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How is it possible that African Americans look like indigenous Egyptians if as you allude to in your postings Egyptians were not brought as slaves to the new world? Were Egyptians brought as slaves to the new world Wally?
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Wally people who base their views on intellect/scholarship and not entertainment aimed at emotionally adled brained dullards, can defend their statements instead of running for cover when they are challenged.
Wally? Are you an intelligent man?
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quote:Originally posted by argyle104: Wally they are only two simple questions. Apparently they frighten you immensely. Are you afraid that if you answer you will reveal your belief in eurocentric pseudoscience and its affiliate pseudohistory?
Wally, were Africans from the horn such as Eritreans, Ethiopians, Somalis, Djibouti brought to the Americas as slaves?
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How is it possible that African Americans look like indigenous Egyptians if as you allude to in your postings Egyptians were not brought as slaves to the new world? Were Egyptians brought as slaves to the new world Wally?
The East African slave trade
The Indian Ocean stretches between the east coast of Africa and the west coast of India. It was once part of the route for a slave trade known as the ‘Oriental’ or eastern slave trade. From the 7th century enslaved Africans were taken to the Middle East, North Africa and India. This eastern slave trade was different to the slave trade across the Atlantic Ocean (the transatlantic slave trade ) from Africa to the Americas and the Caribbean.
In the transatlantic slave trade the demand was for labourers to work on plantations and in mines, and mostly men were captured to supply the demand. In the eastern trade, the demand was for domestic servants, and mostly women were captured to supply the trade.
The end of the Eastern slave trade began when the British ended slavery in India in 1843. Throughout much of the area, though, slavery remained legal until a country came under European rule (for example Egypt in 1882) or until the country tried to join the League of Nations after the 1st World War (for example, Saudi Arabia).
Slaves taken to the Middle East and North Africa were not just from Africa. Until about 1500, slaves were also bought from northern Europe, but as this supply route dried up the numbers bought from Africa increased. In the eastern slave trade enslaved Africans were taken from the east coast of Africa (the modern countries of Kenya, Tanzania, Mozambique and the island of Madagascar). They also came from the Savannah area (which includes countries such as Mali, Niger, Chad and Sudan) and the Horn of Africa (which covers Djibouti, Somalia and Ethiopia). Slaves were sold to merchants from North Africa and the Middle East. The women slaves in this trade often married their masters, or had children by them and the children were often freed by their fathers. Over time, the enslaved Africans tended to become part of the local population. In the transatlantic slave trade to the Americas, enslaved African women were often involved with their white masters, but it was usually an unequal relationship and the children were never free citizens. The mixed race children in the Americas were still slaves. The demand for women slaves in the eastern slave trade meant that the many men who were captured at the same time as the women remained as slaves in Africa. There were many plantations in, for example, Kenya (east Africa), where the enslaved men worked growing food and spices on plantations.
There are no records for the number of enslaved Africans sold before the 17th century from the Savannah area of Africa (which includes countries such as Mali, Niger, Chad and Sudan) and the Horn of Africa (which covers Djibouti, Somalia and Ethiopia).
It is estimated that in the 17th century, about 10,000 slaves per year were sold to North Africa and the Middle East.
There was a large domestic slave population in this area and slavery was an accepted form of labour amongst the rulers of the different kingdoms. Small numbers of enslaved Africans were sold from the east coast to other areas including the Persian Gulf and India for hundreds of years. (The Persian Gulf is today the area including Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Oman and the United Arab Emirates). The numbers of enslaved Africans sold to these areas increased in the late 18th century. This was because French merchants bought slaves from East Africa for the growing sugar plantations on the French owned islands in the Indian Ocean. Brazilian merchants also began buying slaves from the same area for the sugar plantations in Brazil, after 1800. Then, trade to the Persian Gulf and India increased rapidly. By the early 19th century about 30,000 people were being sold into slavery from this eastern area of Africa. They were being bought and sold through the main centre of the trade on the island of Zanzibar (off the east coast of Africa, of what is now the country of Tanzania).
It has been estimated that over the twelve centuries from 750 to the 20th century (slavery continued in this area well into the 20th century, and beyond) almost 12,000,000 enslaved Africans were traded to the Middle East, North Africa and India.
The eastern slave trade , over a much longer period, took from Africa about the same numbers of people as the transatlantic slave trade took in 300 years.
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Folks, I'm not even going to read the troll who has pink penile blister's cut and paste routine. He is having frustration because I routinely demolish a race myth that he so needs to be widely believed because it helps in his pathetic propaganda war against AAs.
The boy obviously has no life and needs to go apply ointment to his blisters.
The loon obviously wants attention. He ain't getting mine.
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The Bamiléké of Cameroun - another African-American ancestor...
Bami ruler
The Egyptian origin of the Bamiléké
The ancestry of the Bamiléké people can be traced back to Egypt...
The Bamiléké are a group of the *Baladis, who are said to be the real native people of Egypt. It is believed that the Bamiléké went down the Nile, crossed many rivers and cliffs using extraordinary mystical means. They crossed the kingdoms of Ouaddai and Kanem and reached the Lake Chad region, after several moments of settlements. Their long journey from Egypt to the Tikar region, where they settled for long, lasted over two centuries (9-11th century).
--- "Bamiléké belongs to the Mbam-Nkam group of Graffi languages, whose attachment to the Bantu division is still disputed. While some consider it a Bantu or semi-Bantu language, others prefer to include Bamiléké in the Niger-Congo group. Bamiléké is not a unique language. It seems that Bamiléké Medumba stems from ancient Egyptian and is the root language for many other Bamiléké variants." http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/topic,463af2212,469f2d172,3f7d4d7134,0.html
"The Bamiléké are part of the Bantu peoples and occupy western regions of Cameroon. Tribal history gives the Bamiléké (an) Egyptian origin, migration from the banks of the Nile in the 9th century..." http://www.primitivearts.co.uk/page8.html
*Baladi = local, indigenous, native; refers to the “real Egyptian”, or “Masri Asil”, as opposed to the western occupiers and westernized Egyptians, known as “Afrang”.
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...from the banks of the Nile, to Cameroun, to America...
The Bamileke are part of the Bantu people. Historically, the Bamun and the Bamileke were united. The founder of this group (Nchare) was the younger brother of the founder of Bafoussam. The Bamileke are a group of the Baladis, the real native people of Egypt. All peoples come from Egypt, but the fact that the Bamileke are the last people to leave the banks of the Nile (9th century) gives them an unfathomable strength in every respect, as well as an incredible conservation of the civilization of their Egypt-based ancestors (D. Toukam, 2008 & 2010)
Chris Tucker with Ice Cube Chris Tucker mt-DNA traces ancestry to the Bamileke his y-DNA traces ancestry to the Mbundu of Angola
He is 'diagnosed' as:
83% Black African
10% AmerIndian
07% European
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quote:Originally posted by argyle104: Folks, I'm not even going to read the troll who has pink penile blister's cut and paste routine. He is having frustration because I routinely demolish a race myth that he so needs to be widely believed because it helps in his pathetic propaganda war against AAs.
The boy obviously has no life and needs to go apply ointment to his blisters.
The loon obviously wants attention. He ain't getting mine.
If you were to read it it would be clear to you the different "market" and different structures between the Trans Atlantic Salve Trade and the East African slave trade which supplied the Middle East and North Africa.
You just mix these up all the time.
Wally's trying to make connections between African Americans and the Egyptians and yet you battle him also.
you can't win with argyle. He needs to be a man and make his own thread where he takes a stand and stops being a:
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a Bamiléké Princess Gillette Leuwat was born a Bamiléké Princess in Cameroon.The different facets of the culture of Cameroon (aka; Kamerun, Cameroun...) are present in the language, literature, music, art, religion and the cuisine of the West African nation.
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The Bamiléké of Cameroun - another African-American ancestor...from the banks of the Nile, to Cameroun, to America...
Bami ruler
The Egyptian origin of the Bamiléké
The ancestry of the Bamiléké people can be traced back to Egypt...
The Bamiléké are a group of the *Baladis, who are said to be the real native people of Egypt. It is believed that the Bamiléké went down the Nile, crossed many rivers and cliffs using extraordinary mystical means. They crossed the kingdoms of Ouaddai and Kanem and reached the Lake Chad region, after several moments of settlements. Their long journey from Egypt to the Tikar region, where they settled for long, lasted over two centuries (9-11th century).
--- "Bamiléké belongs to the Mbam-Nkam group of Graffi languages, whose attachment to the Bantu division is still disputed. While some consider it a Bantu or semi-Bantu language, others prefer to include Bamiléké in the Niger-Congo group. Bamiléké is not a unique language. It seems that Bamiléké Medumba stems from ancient Egyptian and is the root language for many other Bamiléké variants." http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/topic,463af2212,469f2d172,3f7d4d7134,0.html
"The Bamiléké are part of the Bantu peoples and occupy western regions of Cameroon. Tribal history gives the Bamiléké (an) Egyptian origin, migration from the banks of the Nile in the 9th century..." http://www.primitivearts.co.uk/page8.html
*Baladi = local, indigenous, native; refers to the “real Egyptian”, or “Masri Asil”, as opposed to the western occupiers and westernized Egyptians, known as “Afrang”.
The Bamileke are part of the Bantu people. Historically, the Bamun and the Bamileke were united. The founder of this group (Nchare) was the younger brother of the founder of Bafoussam. The Bamileke are a group of the Baladis, the real native people of Egypt. All peoples come from Egypt, but the fact that the Bamileke are the last people to leave the banks of the Nile (9th century) gives them an unfathomable strength in every respect, as well as an incredible conservation of the civilization of their Egypt-based ancestors --(Dieudonné Toukam, "Histoire et anthropologie du peuple bamiléké", Paris,2008 & 2010)
Chris Tucker with Ice Cube Chris Tucker mt-DNA traces ancestry to the Bamileke his y-DNA traces ancestry to the Mbundu of Angola
He is 'diagnosed' as:
83% Black African
10% AmerIndian
07% European
a Bamiléké Princess Gillette Leuwat was born a Bamiléké Princess in Cameroon.The different facets of the culture of Cameroon (aka; Kamerun, Cameroun...) are present in the language, literature, music, art, religion and the cuisine of the West African nation.
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The origin of ancient Egyptian language Bamileke: Linguistic and genetic kinship between the Medu Neter and Medu Mba - by Mandjudja Nguegang
Bamileke
The Bamileke are the brothers of the group BAmoun who decided to cross the river "NUN", despite their knowledge of the myth of ancient Egypt that said that "black water brings chaos, misfortune bad luck. Many facts show that they crossed the river of the black water anyway because they would not be caught by Muslims.
Unlike Bamoun, who identified the God Amon, the Bamileke are identified by their origin, that of ancient Upper Egypt.
The figurative meaning of the Bamileke is: descendants of the ancient Egyptians.
The word "Bamileke" is a modern name, for easy reading in Western languages.
BA 'Mieh Lah Ke' is the name of the nearest original guttural pronunciation.
The literal meaning of the word "Bamileke" by lts sound is as follows:
BA ': Those (to designate the geographical origin of someone)
Mieh: brothers
Lah: country, region
Ke ': Up, which is up a place, a region of land.
ln speaking of a country or region in Africa, it is of Upper Egypt.
Remember that the ancient Egyptians did not call their country "Egypt." They called their country, "High Country" and "Low Country" or KEMET for modern Egyptologists.
We are justified in thinking through the Bamileke we can say that Khe'Mieh = KEMET. This would therefore imply that KEMET means: The brothers of the High Country, or siblings of the upper region, referring to Upper Egypt. Up to the ancient Egyptians was down (in the current understanding), and designated the top down. Up in the understanding of ancient Egyptian therefore designated the South. We know they have always designated the South as the cardinal point of all their original culture and source of the current meaning of Kemet meaning "the land of the blacks, or the country of those who are black, burned"...
KEMET meaning "brethren of the high country or brothers of the Upper Region, Upper Egypt, more consistent with the spirit and thinking of ancient Egyptians. Recall that a former Egyptian word as an African word has several meanings, therefore the spelling of "Khe" has several meanings and interpretations depending on context.
Khe also means Bamileke: burned, black, etc.. ...
Upper Egypt at the time was the location of all the powers of KEMET.
So put together by its sound, the literal meaning of Bamileke means: The brothers who come from countries Upper, Upper Egypt (southern Egypt). .
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Wally wrote: ------------------------------------------- Chris Tucker mt-DNA traces ancestry to the Bamileke his y-DNA traces ancestry to the Mbundu of Angola
He is 'diagnosed' as:
83% Black African
10% AmerIndian
07% European -------------------------------------------
Folks, now this pathetic fool is contradicting himself. This is the same person that said DNA tests are snake oil.
But you can't let something like hypocrisy get in the way of your anjunt ejipt fantasies can't you?
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Most confused individuals seem to want to put Africans into neat little rigid compartments as if Africans (indeed all humans) are not a mobile group of peoples, rather than accept the historical reality that western Africans have moved to the east; eastern Africans have moved both westward and southward. The Ancient Egyptians originated, like most Africans, in the regions of the Great Lakes; how did they end up so far north? The Batutsi of Rwanda and Burundi did not always inhabit those territories. When the Europeans began to settle in the area of south Africa, the Bantu migrations were still pushing southwards...
This approach to African history; of stagnant ethnicites, and of non-migrations is not only simplistic and immature, it is completely wrong. Human civilization is one continuous and collective historical process, where no one people, in isolation, creates a culture, unaware of the knowledge developed by others.
If I were engaged in a paternity suit and I wanted to determine whether or not the child was mine, I would demand a DNA test. But, there is NO DNA test that can tell me the extent and the individuality of all of my African (and non-African) ancestors:
Prior to DNA, blood tests were a less reliable indicator of parentage, but useful. Blood tests also showed that West Africans and Upper Egyptians had the same blood types; but neither blood tests nor DNA can tell me, or anyone else the various peoples that came together to generate me!
If I were to trace my ancestry to "Kunta Kente" in the region that is now within the country of Senegal, I would not be so naive as to believe that he is my "Adam" but merely only one of them; this reality/objective truth seems to go over a lot of folks' head...
(Aside Note: I also recall reading an old anthropological text in the stacks of the library which gave the ancestral lineages of mostly European groups, and was astounded to find that much of the ancestry of the German nationality was Asian, mostly Hun (and hence the offensive term for a German - Kraut); and this was written long before DNA research!...
African Americans are related to the Ancient Egyptians by way of migrations of Africans from the Nile valley, the slave trade which served to combine these various groups, who were already pretty much combined, and who became African-Americans. The lineage is historical and has nothing to do with the fact that (both) the Ancient Egyptians and African Americans are Blacks.Posts: 3344 | From: Berkeley | Registered: Oct 2003
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quote:Originally posted by Wally: [QB] The Bamiléké of Cameroun - another African-American ancestor...from the banks of the Nile, to Cameroun, to America...
Bami ruler
The Egyptian origin of the Bamiléké
The ancestry of the Bamiléké people can be traced back to Egypt...
The Bamiléké are a group of the *Baladis, who are said to be the real native people of Egypt.
I don't believe it the Bamiléké's are wannabes, the were not living in Egypt in dynastic times. It's ridiculous. Their culture and clothing is entirely different, no traces of Egyptian. Language similarities don't prove they were living in Egypt in dynastic times and much of these similarities are coincidental.
Somebody could take Swedish and make an impressive Wally type list of certain words appearing similar to Coptic.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ...I don't believe it the Bamiléké's are wannabes, the were not living in Egypt in dynastic times. It's ridiculous. Their culture and clothing is entirely different, no traces of Egyptian. Language similarities don't prove they were living in Egypt in dynastic times and much of these similarities are coincidental.
Somebody could take Swedish and make an impressive Wally type list of certain words appearing similar to Coptic.
You can believe whatever you choose to...
This topic is the presentation of information for those with the capacity to read and to comprehend this information; it is NOT about what you or others choose to "believe." During this entire topic, neither you, nor argyle104...etc, have provided ANY factual information to this topic except to interject your own vacuous opinions/beliefs in order simply to interrupt...
Let's have some factual evidence:
a) demonstrate the relationship between Coptic and Swedish
b) demonstrate why the 'dress' of modern Upper Egyptians, who never left the country, is dissimilar to that of Ancient Egyptians and why that of the Bamileke, who did leave, is also dissimilar...
Fact is you can't do this; all you have to offer in this discussion are your "beliefs"...
Lemme give you a much needed 'jump start' on the language part:
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If Egyptian language has roots in other parts of Africa that does not mean the culture and technology of dynastic Egypt was going into or coming out of West Africa.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: If Egyptian language has roots in other parts of Africa that does not mean the culture and technology of dynastic Egypt was going into or coming out of West Africa.
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The Ga are descended from immigrants who came down the Niger River and across the Volta during the 17th century AD.
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phoney baloney, everyone wants a piece of Egypt. the burden of proof is on you, the DNA does not support these claims
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quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: Hmmm...Why do some females seem to need a lot of attention while others appear to have some sense?
Indeed, dana
...notice how they seem to have an incessant need to comment, even on matters of which they are ill-equipped to do so...and this isn't a female only monopoly, it is the monopoly of all idiots; male and female...
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HISTORY AND SIGNIFICANCE OF GHANA'S KENTE CLOTH
"Kente is an Asante ceremonial cloth hand-woven on a horizontal treadle loom. Strips measuring about 4 inches wide are sewn together into larger pieces of cloths. Cloths come in various colors, sizes and designs and are worn during very important social and religious occasions.
In a total cultural context, kente is more important than just a cloth. It is a visual representation of history, philosophy, ethics, oral literature, moral values, social code of conduct, religious beliefs, political thought and aesthetic principles. The term kente has its roots in the word kenten which means a basket."
...Budge appears skeptical in his translation of "khen" to mean "basket", possibly because he never identifies the meaning of this determinative, which seems to suggest a ritualistic function...
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Nevertheless:
Akan (Ashanti): kenten = "basket"
Mdu Ntr: khen/ken = "basket"
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(Also, was this style the inspiration for the Roman toga?)
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Folks if this isn't the most pathetic spectacle.
What is all of this picture spam supposed to signify, other than you are desperate?
Wally's white master has told him that he is a "negro" from western Africa and that these peoples only lot in history are slaves.
Wally believes this and is now trying to use other groups to boost his sorry behind up psychologically.
And just what group is Wally attempting to use for this purpose? Why it's the anjunct egiptions. Because they are the Africans that Wally knows who are the most coveted of all Africans by Wally's white owners.
Wally is only following his master's lead which is why he keeps posting his delusions for everyone here to laugh at LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! : )
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As everyone can see this poor creature Wally believes in a racial hierarchy which is why he feels the need to try and soil western Africans with his hamite invasion theories.
It is also the reason why he hates the fact that slaves were from all over Africa and not just western Africa.
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Most confused individuals seem to want to put Africans into neat little rigid compartments as if Africans (if indeed all humans) are not a mobile group of peoples; rather than accept the historical reality that western Africans have moved to the east; eastern Africans have moved both westward and southward. The Ancient Egyptians originated, like most Africans, in the regions of the Great Lakes; how did they end up so far north? The Batutsi of Rwanda and Burundi did not always inhabit those territories. When the Europeans began to settle in the area of south Africa, the Bantu migrations were still pushing southwards...
This approach to African history; of stagnant ethnicites, and of non-migrations is not only simplistic and immature, it is completely wrong. Human civilization is one continuous and collective historical process, where no one people, in isolation, creates a culture, unaware of the knowledge developed by others.
If I were engaged in a paternity suit and I wanted to determine whether or not the child was mine, I would demand a DNA test. But, there is NO DNA test that can tell me the extent and the individuality of all of my African (and non-African) ancestors:
Prior to DNA, blood tests were a less reliable indicator of parentage, but useful. Blood tests also showed that West Africans and Upper Egyptians had the same blood types; but neither blood tests nor DNA can tell me, or anyone else the various peoples that came together to generate me!
If I were to trace my ancestry to "Kunta Kente" in the region that is now within the country of Senegal, I would not be so naive as to believe that he is my "Adam" but merely only one of them; this reality/objective truth seems to go over a lot of folks' head...
(Aside Note: I also recall reading an old anthropological text in the stacks of the library which gave the ancestral lineages of mostly European groups, and was astounded to find that much of the ancestry of the German nationality was Asian, mostly Hun (and hence the offensive term for a German - Kraut); and this was written long before DNA research!...
African Americans are related to the Ancient Egyptians by way of migrations of Africans from the Nile valley, the slave trade which served to combine these various groups, who were already pretty much combined, and who became African-Americans. The lineage is historical and has nothing to do with the fact that (both) the Ancient Egyptians and African Americans are Blacks.
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The Bamiléké of Cameroun - another African-American ancestor...from the banks of the Nile, to Cameroun, to America...
Bami ruler
The Egyptian origin of the Bamiléké
The ancestry of the Bamiléké people can be traced back to Egypt...
The Bamiléké are a group of the *Baladis, who are said to be the real native people of Egypt. It is believed that the Bamiléké went down the Nile, crossed many rivers and cliffs using extraordinary mystical means. They crossed the kingdoms of Ouaddai and Kanem and reached the Lake Chad region, after several moments of settlements. Their long journey from Egypt to the Tikar region, where they settled for long, lasted over two centuries (9-11th century).
--- "Bamiléké belongs to the Mbam-Nkam group of Graffi languages, whose attachment to the Bantu division is still disputed. While some consider it a Bantu or semi-Bantu language, others prefer to include Bamiléké in the Niger-Congo group. Bamiléké is not a unique language. It seems that Bamiléké Medumba stems from ancient Egyptian and is the root language for many other Bamiléké variants."
"The Bamiléké are part of the Bantu peoples and occupy western regions of Cameroon. Tribal history gives the Bamiléké (an) Egyptian origin, migration from the banks of the Nile in the 9th century..."
*Baladi = local, indigenous, native; refers to the “real Egyptian”, or “Masri Asil”, as opposed to the western occupiers and westernized Egyptians, known as “Afrang”.
The Bamileke are part of the Bantu people. Historically, the Bamun and the Bamileke were united. The founder of this group (Nchare) was the younger brother of the founder of Bafoussam. The Bamileke are a group of the Baladis, the real native people of Egypt. All peoples come from Egypt, but the fact that the Bamileke are the last people to leave the banks of the Nile (9th century) gives them an unfathomable strength in every respect, as well as an incredible conservation of the civilization of their Egypt-based ancestors --(Dieudonné Toukam, "Histoire et anthropologie du peuple bamiléké", Paris,2008 & 2010)
a Bamiléké Princess Gillette Leuwat was born a Bamiléké Princess in Cameroon.The different facets of the culture of Cameroon (aka; Kamerun, Cameroun...) are present in the language, literature, music, art, religion and the cuisine of the West African nation.
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The origin of ancient Egyptian language Bamileke: Linguistic and genetic kinship between the Medu Neter and Medu Mba - by Mandjudja Nguegang
Bamileke
The Bamileke are the brothers of the group BAmoun who decided to cross the river "NUN", despite their knowledge of the myth of ancient Egypt that said that "black water brings chaos, misfortune bad luck. Many facts show that they crossed the river of the black water anyway because they would not be caught by Muslims.
Unlike Bamoun, who identified the God Amon, the Bamileke are identified by their origin, that of ancient Upper Egypt.
The figurative meaning of the Bamileke is: descendants of the ancient Egyptians.
The word "Bamileke" is a modern name, for easy reading in Western languages.
BA 'Mieh Lah Ke' is the name of the nearest original guttural pronunciation.
The literal meaning of the word "Bamileke" by lts sound is as follows:
BA ': Those (to designate the geographical origin of someone)
Mieh: brothers
Lah: country, region
Ke ': Up, which is up a place, a region of land.
ln speaking of a country or region in Africa, it is of Upper Egypt.
Remember that the ancient Egyptians did not call their country "Egypt." They called their country, "High Country" and "Low Country" or KEMET for modern Egyptologists.
We are justified in thinking through the Bamileke we can say that Khe'Mieh = KEMET. This would therefore imply that KEMET means: The brothers of the High Country, or siblings of the upper region, referring to Upper Egypt. Up to the ancient Egyptians was down (in the current understanding), and designated the top down. Up in the understanding of ancient Egyptian therefore designated the South. We know they have always designated the South as the cardinal point of all their original culture and source of the current meaning of Kemet meaning "the land of the blacks, or the country of those who are black, burned"...
KEMET meaning "brethren of the high country or brothers of the Upper Region, Upper Egypt, more consistent with the spirit and thinking of ancient Egyptians. Recall that a former Egyptian word as an African word has several meanings, therefore the spelling of "Khe" has several meanings and interpretations depending on context.
Khe also means Bamileke: burned, black, etc.. ...
Upper Egypt at the time was the location of all the powers of KEMET.
So put together by its sound, the literal meaning of Bamileke means: The brothers who come from countries Upper, Upper Egypt (southern Egypt)...
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African American ancestry: the Akan
The Akan were not only an influential and ruling ethnicity in Ancient Egypt but in Ancient Sumer as well...
...African migrations from the ancient Nile river valley to Beautiful Ghana; Akans (Fantis, Ashantis, Twi, ...), Ga, Ewe, ...
Note the Akan, Fante, and Twi ethnic names, all of which simply means "people"... Posts: 3344 | From: Berkeley | Registered: Oct 2003
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Another African American ancestor - The Hausa people
"The Hausa claim that their founder, Bayajida, came from the east in an effort to escape his father. It is possible that his father was a ruler in Egypt or ancient Nubia. The story goes on to say that Bayajida eventually came to Gaya where he employed blacksmiths to fashion a knife for him. This fits the picture as the region of Gaya, Nok and Kano is famous for blacksmiths, such as the Inadan. Gaya is said to be the origin of a man named Kano who first settled in the present Kano State in search of ironstone.
With his knife Bayajida proceeded to Daura where he delivered the people from oppression by a powerful serpent who guarded their well and prevented them from getting water six days out of the week. The serpent could not keep them from taking water on the holy day. In appreciation, the queen of Daura married Bayajida and she gave birth to seven sons. Each became a ruler and ruled the seven city states that make up Hausaland...
That this earlier layer of the Hausa origins account is very old is attested by the role which water plays in the story. In the ancient Afro-Asiatic Dominion shrines were built along rivers and at wells and springs from west central Africa to the Indus River Valley. Serpents inhabited these places and were both venerated and feared. In Sanskrit serpent is “naaga”, in Hebrew “nahash”, and in Hausa the serpent is “naja.”
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: damn everybody in Africa came from Egypt, this is mind blowing
Idiot, in your case there's nothing much to blow...
It is far beyond your ability to understand the Bamiléké statement that "All peoples come from Egypt" is the same as saying:
"all African peoples once clustered in the ancient Nile valley" as they once clustered in the ancient fertile Saharan crescent...
Ancient Ghana, Mali, Songhai...as well as modern Nigeria, Ethiopia, South Africa are "all" or "pan" African states...
You know little of human history in general nor African history in particular...
The point of this thread is to document the ethnicities of Africans who formed a significant portion of the population of the African civilization of Ancient Egypt and whose descendants comprise the ancestry of African Americans...
(methinks that thou suffereth from White folks' Egyptian Madness)
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Some African Americans resemble the Ancient and modern Egyptians due to race-mixing and some have Fulani, Tuareg roots. African Americans come in all shapes and colors. This can be divisive.
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Modern Africans have embraced the terminology to describe their tribal origins and divide themselves up by their appearances and languages.
In Mali, the reddish Tuaregs and black Bambaras (Mande) don't always get along. How can a Mande-speaking Bambara claim to be more "Egyptian" than a AfroAsiatic speaking Tuareg?
But, this is what has happened.
Cheik Anta Diop and his diciples including Dr. A.M. Lam have claimed Egypr. Although, I agree with his Peul book.
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The Ancient Egyptians were East Africans commonly called Cushites carrying mainly the E1b1b Y chromosome in the men. African Americans are mostly E1b1a and R1b in the male poulation.
We have ignored Nubia. The Ancient Egyptians were African. But, from a different Cushitic line. A different kind of "black". Although, Black is Black.
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quote:Originally posted by the Lyinass: phoney baloney, everyone wants a piece of Egypt. the burden of proof is on you, the DNA does not support these claims
Funny, that's what everybody here keeps tell YOU but you never listen.
By the way, while I think Wally's diffusionist claims are silly as well they actually make more sense and have more evidence than the wild claims YOU make.
For example the defining genetic clade that ancient Egyptians had was E. Mainly E1b1b which they share with east Africans yet the lineage associated with west Africans, E1b1a was present in the Nile Valley as well.
Tell us again how you came to the conclusion that Fulani or Somali are of Eurasian ancestry?? LOLPosts: 26239 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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...By the way, while I think Wally's diffusionist claims are silly as well...
DIFFUSIONIST
an observation that emphasizes the role of diffusion in the history of culture rather than independent invention or discovery.
Diffusion across cultures is a well-attested and also uncontroversial phenomenon. For example, the practice of agriculture is widely believed to have diffused from somewhere in the "Middle East" to all of Eurasia, less than 10,000 years ago, having been adopted by many pre-existing cultures. Other established examples of diffusion include the spread of the war chariot and iron smelting in ancient times, and the use of cars and Western business suits in the 20th century...
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quote:Originally posted by the Lyinass: phoney baloney, everyone wants a piece of Egypt. the burden of proof is on you, the DNA does not support these claims
Funny, that's what everybody here keeps tell YOU but you never listen.
By the way, while I think Wally's diffusionist claims are silly as well they actually make more sense and have more evidence than the wild claims YOU make.
For example the defining genetic clade that ancient Egyptians had was E. Mainly E1b1b which they share with east Africans yet the lineage associated with west Africans, E1b1a was present in the Nile Valley as well.
Tell us again how you came to the conclusion that Fulani or Somali are of Eurasian ancestry?? LOL
Please cite the article that discusses ancient dna extracted from ancient Egyptians that indicate that they were E1b1b.
Without ancient Egyptian dna you can't say anything about their genetic profile.
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^ Of course this is based on studies of modern populations of Egypt. The sample shown in the above map came from 'Arab' Egyptians of the Delta. Just imagine how much more frequent their E lineages would be and less frequent the Eurasian ones as one traveled south, especially from rural areas. Actually such samples were cited here many times. E1b1b was still predominant though again E1b1a still figures. I know this bothers you since you have this silly divisive grudge against East Africans, which is even more ludicrous since Egypt is after all in the eastern side of the continent. Posts: 26239 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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Folks, look at how the fruitcake American view of race has turned this Wally character into a pathological loon.
It shows you how the concept of race can, in the wrong individual induce deranged fantasies. As in the case of Wally's hamite invasion theory of his mythical "west" Africa.
His opinions are based on emotion. Emotion has reduced his mind to dreaming up looney tune race fantasies and myths.
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Wally, Africans have been going to the Asian countries of China, Japan, Korea, Indonesia, Singapore, etc for roughly a thousand years if not more. Some of them have had children by the women of these nations.
Does that make the citizens of those nations mixed?
Does that make the citizens of those nations descendants of those travelling Africans?
Wally everyone is going to see if you can intelligently answer these questions.
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Wally the link that you posted had another link to wiki and this is what it said. http://www.primitivearts.co.uk/page8.html The Bamileke went down the Nil, crossed many rivers and cliffs using levitation and other extraordinary mystic means; they crossed the kingdoms of Ouaddai and Kanem Bornou and reached the Lake Chad region, after several moments of settlement. Their long journey from Egypt to the Tikar region, where they settled for long, lasted over two centuries (9-11th century). After the death of Chief Ndeh, the last unique king of the Bamileke, circa 1360 this people divided. That same year, Yendé, the first prince, shunt the throne and left it to Nchare and went away, crossed the Noun River with a group of men and women, and founded Bafoussam. Their (most known) sister followed him years later, then took the direction of the current Bamenda valley. In 1360, Nchare left Mbankim too and went down the Noun plain to found the Bamun kingdom (D. Toukam, 2010, pp. 26–28). From Bafoussam were created virtually all other Bamileke groups and villages between the 15th and the early 20th century. Main source: Dieudonné Toukam, "Histoire et anthropologie du peuple bamiléké", Paris: l'Harmattan, 242p., April 2010.
The high lited part seems questionable do you want to run with that source,mind you I think it's probable that migrants from the Nile valley settled in various parts of Africa including West Africa and others made the trip to the Nile valley and hence to Kemet proper..but levitation??
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Explain your origins. I am far superior to you. I never used curse words in all my posts.
Modern Egypt is bigger than Ancient Egypt. The Ancient Egypt was divided into two lands and was 2/3 smaller. The northern population was more Berberish while the southern was more Sudanic.
Today, Cairo is the capital. Where do most modern Egyptians live?
Most Egyptians live in the north closer to the Delta and must be of a lighter complexion.
This woman is hot. She remind me of the Latinas in mi barrio.
I get it. The Egyptians of the north are North Africans a mix of Berber, Arab, Turk and Euro blood.
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