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Egyptians depicted themselves closest resembling the peoples of Punt (Arabians).
Compare figure 1 (Egyptian) to figure 8 (Punt).
Poole. Reginald Stuart. The Egyptian Classification of the Races of Man. JRAI, Vol. 16. 1887. pp. 370-379.
Poole notes that the ancient Egyptians called themselves Ratu (mankind) based on the fact they believed their own physical appearance was archetypal, while the other racial or ethnic populations they regarded as abnormal deviations. However he then points out that the inhabitants of Punt do not deviate in form from the Egyptians.
The sharpest physical differences in these ancient artforms appear between the Egyptians and Nubians, the latter of whom by the 2nd millenium BC (when they first appear in Egyptian paintings) were predominantly Negroid. These Nubians (figure 4) have thick everted lips, wide noses and alveolar prognathism. They are also painted dark brown or black. The Egyptians (figure 1) in contrast appear thin nosed, thin lipped and orthognathic. While they are painted as red or brown-red. As Poole points out the closest non-Egyptian to appear like an Egyptian in phenotype, is a figure of an Arabian from Punt, a Hamitic Caucasoid (figure 8).
The egyptians further placed the peoples of Punt (Arabia) within their own racial or ethnic division, Ratu (mankind).
All of this is quite significant of course, because the Egyptians revered Punt as their ancestral home...
I've got lots of sources on this, but to save time, Wikipeda notes the following:
quote:In his book "The Making of Egypt" (1939), W. M. Flinders Petrie stated that the Land of Punt was "sacred to the Egyptians as the source of their race." E.A. Wallis Budge stated that "Egyptian tradition of the Dynastic Period held that the aboriginal home of the Egyptians was Punt..."
Now what racial type were these peoples of Punt or Arabians? As the artwork shows they are Caucasoid. Like the majority of the Egyptians they were of the Mediterranid division.
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no it only shows what this particular egyptian pharoah thought was the perfect man. and what it shows is that he thought a mixed race person was the perfect egyptian ,
hence the yellowish red colour of the egyptian.
Q. why would the egptians base the whole egyptian history on what they look like from 1 painting in a tomb what no one was meant to see.?????
if the dynasty was black you will notice the art shows black people?if the dynasty was mixed race you will notice the art shows mixed race and black people.
but you will notice NO real egyptian dynasty art shows egyptians as WHITE PEOPLE
ps.do you think mixed race people are caucasoid?????
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Piss Pot: Egyptians depicted themselves closest resembling the peoples of Punt (Arabians).
Compare figure 1 (Egyptian) to figure 8 (Punt).
Poole. Reginald Stuart. The Egyptian Classification of the Races of Man. JRAI, Vol. 16. 1887. pp. 370-379.
Poole notes that the ancient Egyptians called themselves Ratu (mankind) based on the fact they believed their own physical appearance was archetypal, while the other racial or ethnic populations they regarded as abnormal deviations. However he then points out that the inhabitants of Punt do not deviate in form from the Egyptians.
The sharpest physical differences in these ancient artforms appear between the Egyptians and Nubians, the latter of whom by the 2nd millenium BC (when they first appear in Egyptian paintings) were predominantly Negroid. These Nubians (figure 4) have thick everted lips, wide noses and alveolar prognathism. They are also painted dark brown or black. The Egyptians (figure 1) in contrast appear thin nosed, thin lipped and orthognathic. While they are painted as red or brown-red. As Poole points out the closest non-Egyptian to appear like an Egyptian in phenotype, is a figure of an Arabian from Punt, a Hamitic Caucasoid (figure 8).
The egyptians further placed the peoples of Punt (Arabia) within their own racial or ethnic division, Ratu (mankind).
All of this is quite significant of course, because the Egyptians revered Punt as their ancestral home...
I've got lots of sources on this, but to save time, Wikipeda notes the following:
quote:In his book "The Making of Egypt" (1939), W. M. Flinders Petrie stated that the Land of Punt was "sacred to the Egyptians as the source of their race." E.A. Wallis Budge stated that "Egyptian tradition of the Dynastic Period held that the aboriginal home of the Egyptians was Punt..."
Now what racial type were these peoples of Punt or Arabians? As the artwork shows they are Caucasoid. Like the majority of the Egyptians they were of the Mediterranid division.
quote:Originally posted by adrianne: no it only shows what this particular egyptian pharoah thought was the perfect man. and what it shows is that he thought a mixed race person was the perfect egyptian ,
hence the yellowish red colour of the egyptian.
Q. why would the egptians base the whole egyptian history on what they look like from 1 painting in a tomb what no one was meant to see.?????
if the dynasty was black you will notice the art shows black people?if the dynasty was mixed race you will notice the art shows mixed race and black people.
but you will notice NO real egyptian dynasty art shows egyptians as WHITE PEOPLE
ps.do you think mixed race people are caucasoid?????
We have actual art depictions of the real Punt people. Not some bullshit drawings by a retarded racist.
So it once again exposes their lies! And actually the pictures I have, are way more beautiful. But this will do it.
By doing so, we now know too what the ancient Egyptians looked like. And yes, the Temple is in the South. And shows art depiction similar to the people who have always lived their. In the South!
Today's chief guardian of the Temple of Hatshepsut (Maat Ka-Re)
Baboon mummy analysis reveals Eritrea and Ethiopia as location of land of Punt
Analysis of mummified baboons in the British Museum has revealed the location of the land of Punt as the area between Ethiopia and Eritrea. To the Egyptians, Punt was a place of fragrances, giraffes, electrum and other exotic goods, and was sometimes referred to as Ta-netjer, or 'God’s land'.
There are several ancient Egyptian texts that record trade voyages to the Land of Punt, dating up until the end of the New Kingdom, 3,000 years ago. But until now scholars did not know where Punt was. Ancient texts offer only vague allusions to its location and no 'Puntite' civilization has been discovered. Somalia, Ethiopia, Yemen and even Mozambique have all been offered as possible locations.
However, it appears that the search for Punt may have come to an end according to new research which claims to prove that it was located in Eritrea/East Ethiopia. Live baboons were among the goods that we know the Egyptians got from Punt. The research team included Professor Salima Ikram from the Egyptian Museum, Cairo, and Professor Nathaniel Dominy and graduate student Gillian Leigh Moritz, both from the University of California, Santa Cruz.
The team studied two baboon mummies in the British Museum. By analysing hairs from these baboons using oxygen isotope analysis, they were able to work out where they originated. Oxygen isotopes act as a 'signal' that can let scientists know where they came from. Depending on the environment an animal lived in, the ratio of different isotopes of oxygen will be different. “Oxygen tends to vary as a function of rainfall and the water composition of plants and seed,” said Professor Nathaniel Dominy of UC Santa Cruz.
Only one of the two baboons was suitable for the research – the other had spent time in Thebes as an exotic pet, and so its isotopic data had been distorted. Working on the baboon discovered in the Valley of the Kings, the researchers compared the oxygen isotope values in the ancient baboons to those found in their modern day brethren. Although isotope values in baboons in Somalia, Yemen and Mozambique did not match, those in Eritrea and Eastern Ethiopia were closely matched.
“All of our specimens in Eritrea and a certain number of our specimens from Ethiopia – that are basically due west from Eritrea – those are good matches,” said Professor Dominy.
The team were unable to compare the mummies with baboons in Yemen. However, Professor Dominy reasoned that “We can tell, based on the isotopic maps of the region, that a baboon from Yemen would look an awful lot like a baboon from Somalia isotopically.” As Somalia is definitely not the place of origin for the baboon, this suggests that Yemen is not the place of origin either.
He concluded that “We think Punt is a sort of circumscribed region that includes eastern Ethiopia and all of Eritrea.”
The team also think that they may have discovered the location of the harbour that the Egyptians would have used to export the baboons and other goods back to Egypt. Dominy points to an area just outside the modern city of Massawa: “We have a specimen from that same harbour and that specimen is a very good match to the mummy.”
Next, the team hopes to get the British Museum’s permission to take a pea-sized sample of bone from the baboon mummy and use it strontium isotope testing. This would hopefully confirm Eritrea/Eastern Ethiopia as the baboon’s origin and narrow down its location more specifically.
Is this fool for real??!! Even Egyptology has reached a general consensus that Punt is in AFRICA!! LMAOH
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_PrimeIdiot: Egyptians depicted themselves closest resembling the peoples of Punt (Arabians).
Dumbfuck. Punt is NOT in Arabia but AFRICA, just south of Nubia! If you did any basic elementary research on the subject, you would know that the Egyptians journeyed to Punt in two ways-- either by boat sailing the Red Sea OR by land simply traveling south through Nubia. Does that sound like 'Arabia' to you, twit?!
Men of Punt
King and Queen of Punt
^ Note the fat queen with steatopygous butt.
Reconstruction based on tomb image of a Puntite
Not only are the people African but even the flora and fauna as well. Anglo-idiots like to fixate on the frankincense and myrrh grown because these two plants are native to Yemen just across the Red Sea, but then there are other plant species botanists have identified as exclusive to Africa. We also have on Hatshepsut's tomb depictions of African animals i.e. donkeys, leopards, African-bred cattle, African hunting dogs, hippos, and giraffes, NON are found in Arabia. Even ivory from elephants, ebony, and gold was imported from Punt and such is not found in Arabia.
quote:Compare figure 1 (Egyptian) to figure 8 (Punt).
Poole. Reginald Stuart. The Egyptian Classification of the Races of Man. JRAI, Vol. 16. 1887. pp. 370-379.
Yeah, I can't help but notice The Puntites, Egyptians, as well as Nubians all wore braided hair typical of Africans.
quote:Poole notes that the ancient Egyptians called themselves Ratu (mankind) based on the fact they believed their own physical appearance was archetypal, while the other racial or ethnic populations they regarded as abnormal deviations. However he then points out that the inhabitants of Punt do not deviate in form from the Egyptians...
LOL Egyptians like ALL ancient peoples were ethnocentric and saw themselves as the 'original' or 'prime' humanity. This has nothing to do with modern racial theories of the 19th century. There are ethnic groups in Sudan and other parts of Africa who also call themselves 'mankind' or 'humanity' and YES they have stereotypical "negroid" appearances. Everyone from tribes in India, Australia, Siberia, and the Americas have ethnic names that mean 'human' or 'mankind'. WTF is your silly point? That this proves to to be Caca-soids?! LOL I won't even bother addressing the other outdated sources you cited. Posts: 26238 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: We have actual art depictions of the real Punt people. Not some bullshit drawings by a retarded racist.
So it once again exposes their lies! And actually the pictures I have, are way more beautiful. But this will do it.
Actually these are pictures of Egyptian soldiers and traders visiting Punt. The Puntites are usually portrayed with darker complexions and with braided longer hair and with plaited beards.
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Egyptians depicted themselves closest resembling the peoples of Punt (Arabians).
Compare figure 1 (Egyptian) to figure 8 (Punt).
strictly based on these illustrations, the head marked Egyptian is most similar in features to the Libyan [5] Not the man of Punt [8]
EGYPTIAN LIBYAN
^^^ the only difference is that the Libyan has a more protruding chin and facial hair. Otherwise the nose and lips are the same
MAN OF PUNT, less similar features than Libyan to Egyptian
^^^^The man of Punt however has fuller lips and wider nostrils
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SYRIAN, Book of Gates
^^^^Syrian Arab, looking similar to "man of Punt", note headband
NUBIAN, Book of Gates
these are all semi cartoonish and can't be relied on to strongly for cranio-facial characteristics or account for variation with the ethnic groups shown
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strictly based on these illustrations, the head marked Egyptian is most similar in features to the Libyan [5] Not the man of Punt [8] Good observation, but what about the hair style? Seems like they had the very same hair stylist!
Yeah, I can't help but notice The Puntites, Egyptians, as well as Nubians all wore braided hair typical of Africans.
Bad observation, because you left out the Libyan with the nordic-like appearance and Egyptian hair style!Posts: 9 | Registered: May 2012
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Egyptians depicted themselves closest resembling the peoples of Punt (Arabians). ....................................................................................................................................................
Are you aware that the Ancient Egyptians actually had written directions as to the location of Punt? Scientists seem to agree that following those directions leads to a location somewhere along the Arabian shores.
If someone has a copy of the exact written text with the directions to Punt, your help would be appreciated.
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^ Apparently you missed what I and others posted-- that Punt was in Africa NOT Arabia! Punt can be reached in two ways-- either sailing the Red Sea south OR traveling by land south past Nubia. All of the products the Egyptians brought back from Punt including animals were all African and not Arabian.
quote:Originally posted by Findland Gunner:
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Yeah, I can't help but notice The Puntites, Egyptians, as well as Nubians all wore braided hair typical of Africans.
Bad observation, because you left out the Libyan with the nordic-like appearance and Egyptian hair style!
You're right about one thing-- I did forget to include the Libyan. Other than that, I fail to see what exactly is so "nordic-like" about him. Unless you are imagining blonde hair and blue eyes. Other than that, what you call Egyptian hair style are AFRICAN braids.
Here are colored portraits of Libyans, by the way.
Here is a modern Berber of Mauritania with the same features.
So much for Nordic-like.
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strictly based on these illustrations, the head marked Egyptian is most similar in features to the Libyan [5] Not the man of Punt [8]
EGYPTIAN LIBYAN
^^^ the only difference is that the Libyan has a more protruding chin and facial hair. Otherwise the nose and lips are the same
MAN OF PUNT, less similar features than Libyan to Egyptian
^^^^The man of Punt however has fuller lips and wider nostrils.
Okay. You may have a point here.
quote:SYRIAN, Book of Gates
^^^^Syrian Arab, looking similar to "man of Punt", note headband
The fillet or headband is a common accessory of Afrasian speaking peoples in general and is possessed by peoples in modern Chad and Somalia to ancient Syrians were Semitic speakers.
quote:NUBIAN, Book of Gates
these are all semi cartoonish and can't be relied on to strongly for cranio-facial characteristics or account for variation with the ethnic groups shown
Exactly what is so "cartoonish" about these portraits say, compared to other Egyptian mural portraits?? They are all rendered in the exact same style, yet you claim the two portraits above as unreliable for cranio-facial features yet that hasn't stopped you from using other stylized portraits, now has it?! NO! You also now acknowledge variation among individual ethnic groups yet that hasn't stopped you from stereotyping populations of large regions of Africa, has it? NO! No doubt your frustration with these two pictures is that the black Nubian man not only has a fine long nose, but his nose is slightly more prominent than the Syrian and thus busting your lying ass claims!
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^ Note that man #3 is labeled 'Aamu' or Asiatic yet his side-braid as well as noose from his shoulder strap tie are features of Libyans or Tamhu. Yet man #6 has the features of an Asiatic including full facial beard and kuffi or kippa-like hat with strings tied but is labeled a Tamhu. Was this all a mistake of the author or rather the editor??
Another interesting thing is something the Anglo-PrimeIdiot was completely silent about, and that is the #4 man who labeled Nehesiu by the Egyptians which the author then racialized as "Negro", yet what are we to make of the very last man on the bottom right corner-- #12?? The #12 man also appears to be Nehesiu with his unmistakable Kushite hair style and hoop earring, yet he not labeled at all or rather the labeling was cut off by the Anglo-Idiot. Despite both of them being Nehesiu, they obviously are different in looks. This really ruins the double-standard argument that "negroes" only come in one look or set of features while cockasians can vary greatly.
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Is this fool for real??!! Even Egyptology has reached a general consensus that Punt is in AFRICA!! LMAOH
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_PrimeIdiot: Egyptians depicted themselves closest resembling the peoples of Punt (Arabians).
Dumbfuck. Punt is NOT in Arabia but AFRICA, just south of Nubia! If you did any basic elementary research on the subject, you would know that the Egyptians journeyed to Punt in two ways-- either by boat sailing the Red Sea OR by land simply traveling south through Nubia. Does that sound like 'Arabia' to you, twit?!
Men of Punt
King and Queen of Punt
^ Note the fat queen with steatopygous butt.
Reconstruction based on tomb image of a Puntite
Not only are the people African but even the flora and fauna as well. Anglo-idiots like to fixate on the frankincense and myrrh grown because these two plants are native to Yemen just across the Red Sea, but then there are other plant species botanists have identified as exclusive to Africa. We also have on Hatshepsut's tomb depictions of African animals i.e. donkeys, leopards, African-bred cattle, African hunting dogs, hippos, and giraffes, NON are found in Arabia. Even ivory from elephants, ebony, and gold was imported from Punt and such is not found in Arabia.
quote:Compare figure 1 (Egyptian) to figure 8 (Punt).
Poole. Reginald Stuart. The Egyptian Classification of the Races of Man. JRAI, Vol. 16. 1887. pp. 370-379.
Yeah, I can't help but notice The Puntites, Egyptians, as well as Nubians all wore braided hair typical of Africans.
quote:Poole notes that the ancient Egyptians called themselves Ratu (mankind) based on the fact they believed their own physical appearance was archetypal, while the other racial or ethnic populations they regarded as abnormal deviations. However he then points out that the inhabitants of Punt do not deviate in form from the Egyptians...
LOL Egyptians like ALL ancient peoples were ethnocentric and saw themselves as the 'original' or 'prime' humanity. This has nothing to do with modern racial theories of the 19th century. There are ethnic groups in Sudan and other parts of Africa who also call themselves 'mankind' or 'humanity' and YES they have stereotypical "negroid" appearances. Everyone from tribes in India, Australia, Siberia, and the Americas have ethnic names that mean 'human' or 'mankind'. WTF is your silly point? That this proves to to be Caca-soids?! LOL I won't even bother addressing the other outdated sources you cited.
Yes, besides all the nitty witty arguments they explore. We know South Arabian populations, especially from Yemen and Oman relate closely with Horners and Nilo-Saharans. However, Punt is not on the Arabian Peninsula. But at the Horn of Africa. Than again, it's funny how this filthy racist is tapping in and out of accounts with bullshit arguments.
For thousands of years, several native tree species have provided the raw materials for some of the Horn of Africa’s most important commodities, including frankincense (from Boswellia sacra in Somalia, Yemen and Oman, and B. frereana in Somalia), myrrh (from the widespread Commiphor myrrha and C. guidottii in Somalia and eastern Ethiopia) and dragon’s blood or cinnabar (from Dracaena cinnabari, EN found on Socotra). All three are gum-resins obtained from these trees. Dragon’s blood, is used as a medicine and dye. The production of frankincense and myrrh is still a major economic activity in Somalia and, to some extent, in Ethiopia and northern Kenya.
At a recent meeting in Oakland of the American Research Center in Egypt three scientists announced with confidence they had ruled out all of those five locations, and there was no disagreement from the 300 archaeologists there.
The Land of Punt, the scientist said, must have existed in eastern North Africa - either in the region where Ethiopia and Eritrea confront each other, or east of the Upper Nile in a lowland area of eastern Sudan.
The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt, Ian Shaw, p. 317, 2003:
"There is still some debate regarding the precise location of Punt, which was once identified with the region of modern Somalia. A strong argument has now been made for its location in either southern Sudan or the Eritrean region of Ethiopia, where the indigenous plants and animals equate most closely with those depicted in the Egyptian reliefs and paintings.
"In the process of cleaning the walls between the tomb's inner and outer chambers they stumbled upon an inscription believed to be the first evidence of a huge attack from the south on Elkab and Egypt by the Kingdom of Kush and its allies from the land of Punt, during the 17th dynasty (1575-1525 BC). "
Texas A&M University
Queen Hatshepsut's expedition to the Land of Punt: The first oceanographic cruise?
Queen Hatshepsut ruled Egypt from ca. 1503 to 1480 B.C. In contrast to the warlike temper of her dynasty, she devoted herself to administration and the encouragement of commerce. In the summer of 1493 B.C., she sent a fleet of five ships with thirty rowers each from Kosseir, on the Red Sea, to the Land of Punt, near present-day Somalia. It was primarily a trading expedition, for Punt, or God's Land, produced myrrh, frankincense, and fragrant ointments that the Egyptians used for religious purposes and cosmetics.
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Egyptians depicted themselves closest resembling the peoples of Punt (Arabians).
Compare figure 1 (Egyptian) to figure 8 (Punt).
strictly based on these illustrations, the head marked Egyptian is most similar in features to the Libyan [5] Not the man of Punt [8]
EGYPTIAN LIBYAN
^^^ the only difference is that the Libyan has a more protruding chin and facial hair. Otherwise the nose and lips are the same
MAN OF PUNT, less similar features than Libyan to Egyptian
^^^^The man of Punt however has fuller lips and wider nostrils
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SYRIAN, Book of Gates
^^^^Syrian Arab, looking similar to "man of Punt", note headband
NUBIAN, Book of Gates
these are all semi cartoonish and can't be relied on to strongly for cranio-facial characteristics or account for variation with the ethnic groups shown
I would like to know if there are groups of light-skinned people depicted in the Old Kingdom in Egypt. Just asking since you are so show the Egypt was significantly influenced by a population of Eurasians.
All I see is these obviously Haratin or Beja related people.
I could be mistaken that in the Old Kingdom other depictions show groups of Eurasians in Egypt.
5th dynasty living
Negro navy of Nilotic chief Sahure
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Egyptians depicted themselves closest resembling the peoples of Punt (Arabians).
Compare figure 1 (Egyptian) to figure 8 (Punt).
Poole. Reginald Stuart. The Egyptian Classification of the Races of Man. JRAI, Vol. 16. 1887. pp. 370-379.
Poole notes that the ancient Egyptians called themselves Ratu (mankind) based on the fact they believed their own physical appearance was archetypal, while the other racial or ethnic populations they regarded as abnormal deviations. However he then points out that the inhabitants of Punt do not deviate in form from the Egyptians.
The sharpest physical differences in these ancient artforms appear between the Egyptians and Nubians, the latter of whom by the 2nd millenium BC (when they first appear in Egyptian paintings) were predominantly Negroid. These Nubians (figure 4) have thick everted lips, wide noses and alveolar prognathism. They are also painted dark brown or black. The Egyptians (figure 1) in contrast appear thin nosed, thin lipped and orthognathic. While they are painted as red or brown-red. As Poole points out the closest non-Egyptian to appear like an Egyptian in phenotype, is a figure of an Arabian from Punt, a Hamitic Caucasoid (figure 8).
The egyptians further placed the peoples of Punt (Arabia) within their own racial or ethnic division, Ratu (mankind).
All of this is quite significant of course, because the Egyptians revered Punt as their ancestral home...
I've got lots of sources on this, but to save time, Wikipeda notes the following:
quote:In his book "The Making of Egypt" (1939), W. M. Flinders Petrie stated that the Land of Punt was "sacred to the Egyptians as the source of their race." E.A. Wallis Budge stated that "Egyptian tradition of the Dynastic Period held that the aboriginal home of the Egyptians was Punt..."
Now what racial type were these peoples of Punt or Arabians? As the artwork shows they are Caucasoid. Like the majority of the Egyptians they were of the Mediterranid division.
It looks as if the Egyptians got their "Caucasoid" traits from the "Nubian" black man.
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^ LOL Right. I guess Mr. Finland Gunter "sees" his people being native everywhere outside of Europe in ancient times even in Africa.
quote:Originally posted by dana marniche:
It looks as if the Egyptians got their "Caucasoid" traits from the "Nubian" black man.
Yeah. Which is exactly why Anglo-PrimeIdiot makes the claim that Nubians were originally 'Caucasoid' until they were "overrun" and mixed with 'negroids'. LMAO
I remember years ago when I was in high school a Somali friend of mine commented on the diversity of Africans and that north Sudanese have 'white people' features like long thin noses and thin lips, yet they are jet black in color. I'm so glad the caca-soid theories of the 19th century are dead (except in the minds of white losers).
quote: Men of Punt (either Eritrea or Mersa Gawassis)? Or are they other Egyptians.
Egyptians visiting Punt
Yes, the men in the top picture are Puntites. They can be distinguished from the Egyptians with longer braided hair, long plaited beards, and wearing fillet head bands as well as kilts that have two long pieces that hang down in the front and a sash in back that looks like a tail. The tail-looking sash looks like the one worn by pharaohs to mimic an ox tail. The Egyptians soldiers and traders on the other hand wore afros and different style kilts. Another interesting feature is that the Puntite king Perahu wears a tight skull cap similar to that worn by Egyptian gods like Ptah.
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Egyptians depicted themselves closest resembling the peoples of Punt (Arabians).
Compare figure 1 (Egyptian) to figure 8 (Punt).
Poole. Reginald Stuart. The Egyptian Classification of the Races of Man. JRAI, Vol. 16. 1887. pp. 370-379.
Poole notes that the ancient Egyptians called themselves Ratu (mankind) based on the fact they believed their own physical appearance was archetypal, while the other racial or ethnic populations they regarded as abnormal deviations. However he then points out that the inhabitants of Punt do not deviate in form from the Egyptians.
The sharpest physical differences in these ancient artforms appear between the Egyptians and Nubians, the latter of whom by the 2nd millenium BC (when they first appear in Egyptian paintings) were predominantly Negroid. These Nubians (figure 4) have thick everted lips, wide noses and alveolar prognathism. They are also painted dark brown or black. The Egyptians (figure 1) in contrast appear thin nosed, thin lipped and orthognathic. While they are painted as red or brown-red. As Poole points out the closest non-Egyptian to appear like an Egyptian in phenotype, is a figure of an Arabian from Punt, a Hamitic Caucasoid (figure 8).
The egyptians further placed the peoples of Punt (Arabia) within their own racial or ethnic division, Ratu (mankind).
All of this is quite significant of course, because the Egyptians revered Punt as their ancestral home...
I've got lots of sources on this, but to save time, Wikipeda notes the following:
quote:In his book "The Making of Egypt" (1939), W. M. Flinders Petrie stated that the Land of Punt was "sacred to the Egyptians as the source of their race." E.A. Wallis Budge stated that "Egyptian tradition of the Dynastic Period held that the aboriginal home of the Egyptians was Punt..."
Now what racial type were these peoples of Punt or Arabians? As the artwork shows they are Caucasoid. Like the majority of the Egyptians they were of the Mediterranid division.
It looks as if the Egyptians got their "Caucasoid" traits from the "Nubian" black man.
Variation in ancient Egyptian stature and body proportions
Sonia R. Zakrzewski*
American Journal of Physical Anthropology Volume 121, Issue 3, pages 219–229, July 2003
Stature and the pattern of body proportions were investigated in a series of six time-successive Egyptian populations in order to investigate the biological effects on human growth of the development and intensification of agriculture, and the formation of state-level social organization. Univariate analyses of variance were performed to assess differences between the sexes and among various time periods. Significant differences were found both in stature and in raw long bone length measurements between the early semipastoral population and the later intensive agricultural population. The size differences were greater in males than in females. This disparity is suggested to be due to greater male response to poor nutrition in the earlier populations, and with the increasing development of social hierarchy, males were being provisioned preferentially over females. Little change in body shape was found through time, suggesting that all body segments were varying in size in response to environmental and social conditions. The change found in body plan is suggested to be the result of the later groups having a more tropical (Nilotic) form than the preceding populations. Am J Phys Anthropol, 2003.
Population continuity or population change: Formation of the ancient Egyptian state
Sonia R. Zakrzewski*
American Journal of Physical Anthropology Volume 132, Issue 4, pages 501–509, April 2007
The origins of the ancient Egyptian state and its formation have received much attention through analysis of mortuary contexts, skeletal material, and trade. Genetic diversity was analyzed by studying craniometric variation within a series of six time-successive Egyptian populations in order to investigate the evidence for migration over the period of the development of social hierarchy and the Egyptian state. Craniometric variation, based upon 16 measurements, was assessed through principal components analysis, discriminant function analysis, and Mahalanobis D2 matrix computation. Spatial and temporal relationships were assessed by Mantel and Partial Mantel tests. The results indicate overall population continuity over the Predynastic and early Dynastic, and high levels of genetic heterogeneity, thereby suggesting that state formation occurred as a mainly indigenous process. Nevertheless, significant differences were found in morphology between both geographically-pooled and cemetery-specific temporal groups, indicating that some migration occurred along the Egyptian Nile Valley over the periods studied. Am J Phys Anthropol, 2007.
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Egyptians depicted themselves closest resembling the peoples of Punt (Arabians).
Compare figure 1 (Egyptian) to figure 8 (Punt).
Poole. Reginald Stuart. The Egyptian Classification of the Races of Man. JRAI, Vol. 16. 1887. pp. 370-379.
Poole notes that the ancient Egyptians called themselves Ratu (mankind) based on the fact they believed their own physical appearance was archetypal, while the other racial or ethnic populations they regarded as abnormal deviations. However he then points out that the inhabitants of Punt do not deviate in form from the Egyptians.
The sharpest physical differences in these ancient artforms appear between the Egyptians and Nubians, the latter of whom by the 2nd millenium BC (when they first appear in Egyptian paintings) were predominantly Negroid. These Nubians (figure 4) have thick everted lips, wide noses and alveolar prognathism. They are also painted dark brown or black. The Egyptians (figure 1) in contrast appear thin nosed, thin lipped and orthognathic. While they are painted as red or brown-red. As Poole points out the closest non-Egyptian to appear like an Egyptian in phenotype, is a figure of an Arabian from Punt, a Hamitic Caucasoid (figure 8).
The egyptians further placed the peoples of Punt (Arabia) within their own racial or ethnic division, Ratu (mankind).
All of this is quite significant of course, because the Egyptians revered Punt as their ancestral home...
I've got lots of sources on this, but to save time, Wikipeda notes the following:
quote:In his book "The Making of Egypt" (1939), W. M. Flinders Petrie stated that the Land of Punt was "sacred to the Egyptians as the source of their race." E.A. Wallis Budge stated that "Egyptian tradition of the Dynastic Period held that the aboriginal home of the Egyptians was Punt..."
Now what racial type were these peoples of Punt or Arabians? As the artwork shows they are Caucasoid. Like the majority of the Egyptians they were of the Mediterranid division.
It looks as if the Egyptians got their "Caucasoid" traits from the "Nubian" black man.
Variation in ancient Egyptian stature and body proportions
Sonia R. Zakrzewski*
American Journal of Physical Anthropology Volume 121, Issue 3, pages 219–229, July 2003
Stature and the pattern of body proportions were investigated in a series of six time-successive Egyptian populations in order to investigate the biological effects on human growth of the development and intensification of agriculture, and the formation of state-level social organization. Univariate analyses of variance were performed to assess differences between the sexes and among various time periods. Significant differences were found both in stature and in raw long bone length measurements between the early semipastoral population and the later intensive agricultural population. The size differences were greater in males than in females. This disparity is suggested to be due to greater male response to poor nutrition in the earlier populations, and with the increasing development of social hierarchy, males were being provisioned preferentially over females. Little change in body shape was found through time, suggesting that all body segments were varying in size in response to environmental and social conditions. The change found in body plan is suggested to be the result of the later groups having a more tropical (Nilotic) form than the preceding populations. Am J Phys Anthropol, 2003.
Population continuity or population change: Formation of the ancient Egyptian state
Sonia R. Zakrzewski*
American Journal of Physical Anthropology Volume 132, Issue 4, pages 501–509, April 2007
The origins of the ancient Egyptian state and its formation have received much attention through analysis of mortuary contexts, skeletal material, and trade. Genetic diversity was analyzed by studying craniometric variation within a series of six time-successive Egyptian populations in order to investigate the evidence for migration over the period of the development of social hierarchy and the Egyptian state. Craniometric variation, based upon 16 measurements, was assessed through principal components analysis, discriminant function analysis, and Mahalanobis D2 matrix computation. Spatial and temporal relationships were assessed by Mantel and Partial Mantel tests. The results indicate overall population continuity over the Predynastic and early Dynastic, and high levels of genetic heterogeneity, thereby suggesting that state formation occurred as a mainly indigenous process. Nevertheless, significant differences were found in morphology between both geographically-pooled and cemetery-specific temporal groups, indicating that some migration occurred along the Egyptian Nile Valley over the periods studied. Am J Phys Anthropol, 2007.
And also :
"....inhabitants of East Africa right on the equator have appreciably longer, narrower, and higher noses than people in the Congo at the same latitude. A former generation of anthropologists used to explain this paradox by invoking an invasion by an itinerant "white" population from the Mediterranean area, although this solution raised more problems than it solved since the East Africans in question include some of the blackest people in the world with characteristically wooly hair and a body build unique among the world's populations for its extreme linearity and height.... The relatively long noses of East Africa become explicable then when one realizes that much of the area is extremely dry for parts of the year." (C. Loring Brace, "Nonracial Approach Towards Human Diversity," cited in The Concept of Race, Edited by Ashley Montagu, The Free Press, 1980, pp. 135-136, 138)
This guy probably looks like what Egyptians did before absorbing people trickling in from the North.
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Ancient Times
The area of Finland, western Russia and Estonia was established by hunter-gatherers around 8500 B.C. During that time, the glaciers from the Ice Age were receding. Archaeological evidence points to a number of stone tools and carved animal heads.
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At a recent meeting in Oakland of the American Research Center in Egypt three scientists announced with confidence they had ruled out all of those five locations, and there was no disagreement from the 300 archaeologists there.
The Land of Punt, the scientist said, must have existed in eastern North Africa - either in the region where Ethiopia and Eritrea confront each other, or east of the Upper Nile in a lowland area of eastern Sudan.
So the Ethio-Eritrean area and the Upper Nile of lowland Sudan are now part of 'North Africa'? LOL These areas are at the same latitude as southern Niger and Senegal. Why are not these latter countries considered as 'North African' also?
The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt, Ian Shaw, p. 317, 2003:
"There is still some debate regarding the precise location of Punt, which was once identified with the region of modern Somalia. A strong argument has now been made for its location in either southern Sudan or the Eritrean region of Ethiopia, where the indigenous plants and animals equate most closely with those depicted in the Egyptian reliefs and paintings.
I strongly believe north Ethiopia/Eritrea to be the location of Punt based on the Egyptian 'Tale of the Shipwrecked Sailor' where the sailor was shipwrecked on one of a chain of islands off the coast of Punt. This corresponds to the Dahlak Archipelago with its largest island Dahlak shown in the map above.
Here is a better look of the Dahlak Archipelago.
According to the tale, the sailor was rescued and made wealthy by the pharaoh after being blessed by a giant serpent wearing a king's beard who called itself the 'Lord of Punt'. The sailor encountered this being when he began making offerings to the gods and this was no doubt a reference to a serpent cult native to Punt which has ties to the later Ethiopian legend of Makeda's serpent slain.
At a recent meeting in Oakland of the American Research Center in Egypt three scientists announced with confidence they had ruled out all of those five locations, and there was no disagreement from the 300 archaeologists there.
The Land of Punt, the scientist said, must have existed in eastern North Africa - either in the region where Ethiopia and Eritrea confront each other, or east of the Upper Nile in a lowland area of eastern Sudan.
So the Ethio-Eritrean area and the Upper Nile of lowland Sudan are now part of 'North Africa'? LOL These areas are at the same latitude as southern Niger and Senegal. Why are not these latter countries considered as 'North African' also?
The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt, Ian Shaw, p. 317, 2003:
"There is still some debate regarding the precise location of Punt, which was once identified with the region of modern Somalia. A strong argument has now been made for its location in either southern Sudan or the Eritrean region of Ethiopia, where the indigenous plants and animals equate most closely with those depicted in the Egyptian reliefs and paintings.
I strongly believe north Ethiopia/Eritrea to be the location of Punt based on the Egyptian 'Tale of the Shipwrecked Sailor' where the sailor was shipwrecked on one of a chain of islands off the coast of Punt. This corresponds to the Dahlak Archipelago with its largest island Dahlak shown in the map above.
Here is a better look of the Dahlak Archipelago.
According to the tale, the sailor was rescued and made wealthy by the pharaoh after being blessed by a giant serpent wearing a king's beard who called itself the 'Lord of Punt'. The sailor encountered this being when he began making offerings to the gods and this was no doubt a reference to a serpent cult native to Punt which has ties to the later Ethiopian legend of Makeda's serpent slain.
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^ LOL Indeed. While it's true Egyptian art was highly idealized, even idealism has basis in reality. Do you, 'Brick', doubt there were Nubians who possessed such features as there are Sudanese and other Africans today?? I take it if a Nubian man is portrayed with flat nose and broad lips, you wouldn't excuse it as an unrealistic 'idealized' image now would you? The above portrait, by the way is not that of an entombed body but merely a random person figured in the afterlife, so there's no skull to examine.
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This topic starter is fool.In land of punt there were no caucasoids,only blacks.
Early east africans were black,and early nubians,ethiopans etc... are black african with no caucasoid admixture.
The average nubian had flat noses,kinky hair and thick lips and broad head.They had central african features.
Early writers wrote about the kushites from upper/southern nubia and thier features,and you could see it still in most of those in sudan.
Nubia was not overrun later by these type of blacks,because they were always there.
Racist need to stop dreaming.
Some A- GROUP nubians of lower nubia however share some of the features with alot of the horn africa,narrow noses for example.narrow noses does not mean caucasoid.
These early black africans were unmixed blacks,meaning they had no caucasoid admixture.
There were no caucasoid admixture in upper or southern nubia has well.
Only in recent times you will have few with some caucasoid admixture.
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The above portrait, by the way is not that of an entombed body but merely a random person figured in the afterlife, so there's no skull to examine. [/QB]
quote:Originally posted by brick: I disagree. The were no Caucasoids in the earliest period of nubia.
Keep your sick fantasies to yourself.
You need to be clear on the regions in nubia you are talking about.The earliest nubians in the nile valley had woolly hair.
Upper/southern nubians had woolly hair not wavy,and they were black,not caucasoids, so the greeks and romans would disagree with you and so do I.
Lower nubia later in different time periods is another matter.
Caucasoids came later in nubian history,and those that lived there lived in lower nubia,like the greeks and romans.
They were a minor group.
I believe the original Nubians were from India and eventually intermingled with blacks and others to become who they're today. The genetic studies don't lie, but some will believe whatever suits their point of view.
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I believe the original Nubians were from India and eventually intermingled with blacks and others to become who they're today. The genetic studies don't lie, but some will believe whatever suits their point of view. [/QUOTE] If Badarian Negroes were from India or from Mars doesn't really matter. But rest assured the only thing coming from India in that period were people that looked like a darker version of these guys.
The purer Dravidians
BTW there is absolutely no genetic study showing Caucasians in ancient Nubia. YOU LOSE!
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The average nubian had flat noses,kinky hair and thick lips and broad head.They had central african features.
Hair samples from the earliest Nubian burials are wavy, not wooly.
Caucasoids predate Negroids in Nubia.
Thats a bald-faced Euronut lie. Badarians and Naqqada people were NOT wavy haired as evident by their descendants east of the Nile the Beja and ancient Egyptians.
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^ There is some truth to his claim particularly in the studies of early Nubians around Semna; however, African hair that is wavy is still thick and wooly to the touch compared to Eurasian or European wavy hair.
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_PrimeIdiot: Hair samples from the earliest Nubian burials are wavy, not wooly.
See the above statement, dummy.
quote:Caucasoids predate Negroids in Nubia.
No such thing as either. Racial groups don't exist as proven via genetics.
quote:Originally posted by Findland Gunner: I believe the original Nubians were from India and eventually intermingled with blacks and others to become who they're today. The genetic studies don't lie, but some will believe whatever suits their point of view.
It matters not what you "believe". You're right that genetic studies don't lie, and those same studies show they were indigenous Africans, which is supported by archaeology and anthropological remains. The Indian theory is silly to say the least.
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quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: If Badarian Negroes were from India or from Mars doesn't really matter. But rest assured the only thing coming from India in that period were people that looked like a darker version of these guys.
The purer Dravidians
BTW there is absolutely no genetic study showing Caucasians in ancient Nubia. YOU LOSE!
Actually, 'Dravidian' strictly speaking is a language group and not a population, though the term has less accurately been used for a catch-all phrase for indigenous pre-Indo-Aryan speakers. However, even the original Dravidian speakers or proto-Dravidians while already living in India for some several millennia BCE, are not aboriginal and have mixed with true aboriginal populations (though no doubt the Dravidians were quite dark). Though Indians have absolutely NOTHING at all to do with Badarians, Naqadans, A-Group or any other Nile Valley people who were all AFRICANS. It amazes me how certain people will attribute the cultures of Nile Valley Africa to everyone else but Africans!
By the way, genetics have disproved the very notion of 'race' let alone racial groups like 'Caucasoid' so the Anglo-Idiot's claims are nothing but lies.
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quote:Originally posted by brick: I disagree. The were no Caucasoids in the earliest period of nubia.
Keep your sick fantasies to yourself.
You need to be clear on the regions in nubia you are talking about.The earliest nubians in the nile valley had woolly hair.
Upper/southern nubians had woolly hair not wavy,and they were black,not caucasoids, so the greeks and romans would disagree with you and so do I.
Lower nubia later in different time periods is another matter.
Caucasoids came later in nubian history,and those that lived there lived in lower nubia,like the greeks and romans.
They were a minor group.
I believe the original Nubians were from India and eventually intermingled with blacks and others to become who they're today. The genetic studies don't lie, but some will believe whatever suits their point of view.
I see you're high on the drug again! It Must be some real heavy sh*t!
Talking all that smack!
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quote:Originally posted by brick: I disagree. The were no Caucasoids in the earliest period of nubia.
Keep your sick fantasies to yourself.
You need to be clear on the regions in nubia you are talking about.The earliest nubians in the nile valley had woolly hair.
Upper/southern nubians had woolly hair not wavy,and they were black,not caucasoids, so the greeks and romans would disagree with you and so do I.
Lower nubia later in different time periods is another matter.
Caucasoids came later in nubian history,and those that lived there lived in lower nubia,like the greeks and romans.
They were a minor group.
The word Nubian is a cluster name for people from South Egypt and North Sudan. There is not one particulair look, although you will find them homogenous. The variety is explained via intramixing of several groups from the Sahara, Sahel. Several groups from the Sahara have loose hair.
Studies show us that the people from the South and Middle Egypt aren't that much different in limb portions from the ancestors. Being tropical adapted all througout time.
The people are historically and culturally highly aware.
For the Roman and Greek input.
At Kom Ombo there is a bust of a Roman emperor. The local oral story is that he himself never went there, because he was ill. He hoped for recovery by bringing the bust there. (I think a have a picture of it somewhere in my private collection)
It was merely the authored by the Roman authority.
These are implications not being included.
More implications are Greeks and Ptolemy. Being that the Ptolemy probebly geneticly were E-V13. Which is scares in Northeast Africa. Attesting that indeed they were minor, especially in the South and Middle of Egypt. At max the frequency is at 2.6% in the South. Middle 5.6% and just a bit higher in the North. I think the autosomal of E-V13 came from admixed Northern Egyptians into the South anyway. Why, because the region was hard to excess for foreigners.
The satues of the Ptolemy are purely metaphorical, in Egyptian style not literally. During the hell'anism they forced themselves upon Egyptians, killing people left and right, after Alexander begged for the Pharaohs tittle, which they the priests, did not grant him, since he was not of Egyptian royal lineage.
Black basalt bust of Pharaoh Ptolemy I of Egypt, dating from the 4th century BC, which was the period of the 30th Dynasty.
Ptolemy I was also known as Ptolemy Soter, meaning 'saviour', and before becoming Pharaoh of Egypt, was a Macedonian general who served under Alexander the Great. With Alexander, he served in many military campaigns, including those in India, Babylon, Persia, and Afghanistan. After Alexander's death, Ptolemy was appointed Satrap (governor) of Egypt, and later took the title of Pharaoh, founding the Ptolemaic dynasty.
quote: Series The Cambridge Ancient History
Volume 3 Part 3 The Expansion of the Greek World, Eighth to Sixth Centuries B.C.
Chapter Title Chapter 36b: The Greeks in Egypt
Publication Date 1982
Author T. F. R. G. Braun Digital Object Identifier (DOI) 10.1017/CHOL9780521234474.003
Overview Greek-Egyptian relations before Psammetichus I
Greeks arrived to settle in Egypt in the reign of Psammetichus I (664–610 B.C.). For the period that follows, Herodotus found that Egyptian and non-Egyptian information could be combined (II. 147). Thanks to Greek settlers mingling with the Egyptians, knowledge was now accurate (II. 154). Significantly, no Greek pottery datable to the period between Mycenaean times and 664 B.C. has so far been found in Egypt. Egyptian trinkets, on the other hand, were reaching the Greek world in the eighth century, and a bronze Egyptian jug at Lefkandi in Euboea would seem to date back as far as the ninth. These could have arrived by way of Phoenicia or Cyprus.
Some contact then, even if indirect, there must have been in the disturbed century before Psammetichus I. The Greeks retained some recollection of the Egyptian history of this time. We have seen how the king of Ethiopia and Egypt, who must have been Shabako (c. 716–c. 702 B.C.) in 711 surrendered Yamani of Ashdod, possibly a Greek (above, p. 16). This ‘Sabakōs’ is an historical figure for Herodotus (II. 137, 139) who in the fifth century could get a fair amount of information about the 25th (Nubian or Kushite) dynasty. Shabako's enemy was the delta king Bakenrenef son of Tefnakhte (c. 720–715 ?), whom he eventually captured and burnt alive. Bakenrenef, as Bocchoris, was to figure in Greek imagination, though Herodotus does not mention him. He is celebrated as a sagacious lawgiver in the Egyptian account of Diodorus (I. 45, 65, 79, 94) which derives from earlier Greek writing – probably in large measure from Hecataeus of Abdera, c. 300 B.C.
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The average nubian had flat noses,kinky hair and thick lips and broad head.They had central african features.
Hair samples from the earliest Nubian burials are wavy, not wooly.
Caucasoids predate Negroids in Nubia.
Thats a bald-faced Euronut lie. Badarians and Naqqada people were NOT wavy haired as evident by their descendants east of the Nile the Beja and ancient Egyptians.
unless you think of Fulani hair as wavy.
These individuals are mentally depressed. They can't help it.
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quote:The researchers compared the oxygen isotope values in the ancient baboons to those found in their modern day brethren.
“All of our specimans in Eritrea and a certain number of our specimens from Ethiopia – that are basically due west from Eritrea – those are good matches,” said Professor Dominy.
“We think Punt is a sort of circumscribed region that includes eastern Ethiopia and all of Eritrea.”
Somalia, Yemen and Mozambique do not match.
The team cannot narrow it down further at this point, but they do have a working hypothesis of where in Eritrea the Ancient Egyptians docked their ships.
The idea of Yemen as Punt has come under attack from Egyptologists for another reason. A scene depicting Punt, drawn on a temple built by Queen Hatshepsut, shows a giraffe - an animal that is native to Africa, not Yemen.
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Hmmm...
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When will this kid give up, first of all he needs to stop quoting this 19 century debunked garbage. His charts, drawings and diagrams where made at a time when most egyptologist were racist and could not conceive a" black african" could create an advance civilization. Notice all the trash he presents is someone else theories, hypothesis etc. presented as facts. Update your facts son, matter of fact just read how your trash gets shredded and debunked 24 hours a day on this forum.
INSANITY- Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
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quote:Originally posted by Neferefre: When will this kid give up, first of all he needs to stop quoting this 19 century debunked garbage. His charts, drawings and diagrams where made at a time when most egyptologist were racist and could not conceive a" black african" could create an advance civilization. Notice all the trash he presents is someone else theories, hypothesis etc. presented as facts. Update your facts son, matter of fact just read how your trash gets shredded and debunked 24 hours a day on this forum.
INSANITY- Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
The 19th source is not itself relevant. It is just reporting on the artistic depiction of ethnic groups the ancient egyptians had contact with. The inhabitants of Punt appear in phenotype similar to the egyptians, furthermore they were classified even by the egyptians as belonging to 'mankind', and not a deviation of their physical image like the Semites or Nubians.
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The biological affinities of the ancient Egyptians were tested against their neighbors and selected prehistoric groups as well as against samples representing the major geographic population clusters of the world. Two dozen craniofacial measurements were taken on each individual used.....
The Predynastic of Upper Egypt and the Late Dynastic of Lower Egypt are more closely related to each other than to any other population. As a whole, they show ties with the European Neolithic, North Africa, modern Europe, and, more remotely, India, but not at all with sub-Saharan Africa, eastern Asia, Oceania, or the New World.
Adjacent people in the Nile valley show similarities in trivial traits in an unbroken series from the delta in the north southward through Nubia and all the way to Somalia at the equator.
..... We conclude that the Egyptians have been in place since back in the Pleistocene and have been largely unaffected by either invasions or migrations. As others have noted, Egyptians are Egyptians, and they were so in the past as well."
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ There is some truth to his claim particularly in the studies of early Nubians around Semna; however, African hair that is wavy is still thick and wooly to the touch compared to Eurasian or European wavy hair.
Right,I remember now reading this or it was mention before that a few nubians in the earliest period in lower nubia and a few in the later period in lower nubia had wavy hair.
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