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On the Antique Painting in Encaustic of Cleopatra, Discovered in 1818

In 1818, a lumber merchant tasked with removing scrap wood from the land which had been the Emperor Hadrian’s villa outside Rome, discovered a wooden crate among the lumber on the estate.

The crate was carefully opened.

Inside was a broken slate tablet with an overlay of dimly visible colors underneath a thick and dust-encrusted varnish. It was difficult to discern the image, but the 16 pieces fit together like a puzzle.

At some point in time, likely years after Hadrian’s death, it was carefully packed in a crate and hidden in a cellar, probably for safekeeping in times of war, invasion or the barbarian pillages that occurred in later years. There it lay, forgotten and hidden for centuries until its re-discovery in 1818.

Cleopatra, in the highly detailed painting is pictured as having dark blond or auburn hair and deep blue eyes. Alexander the Great, who was ethnically Macedonian, (not genetically related to the coastal Greeks that he conquered) was also blond-haired and blue-eyed. Many Macedonians even today still have the genetic characteristics with the prevalence of recessive genes that produce fair skin and light eye coloration. That fact that Cleopatra was not Egyptian, but a descendant of Macedonian royalty, may be difficult for many to accept, but it is nonetheless true.

At present the whereabouts of the painting appear to be unknown to the general public. Its last recorded location was with the Barron de Benneval in Sorrento. It is likely that in the chaos of wars in the early 20th century, the painting was either hidden for safekeeping, lost in bombing raids or pillaged by invaders.

As of date of writing, efforts are underway to locate this great treasure once again.

Now, the short book which detailed the painting’s discovery and subsequent exhibition, On the Antique Painting in Encaustic of Cleopatra, Discovered in 1818 by John Sartain, first published in 1885, is back in print for the first time.

On the book’s front cover is a full-color reconstruction of this remarkable painting, created by 3D computer modeling techniques combined with digital illustration based on the Greco-Roman sculptures of Cleopatra, antique engravings of Octavian’s Portrait of Cleopatra, and detailed eye-witness descriptions from writers, artists and reporters who viewed the painting when it toured Europe in the 19th century.

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Not that I really care about it, but?


Archaeologist Neil Oliver


Cleopatra's mother 'was African'

Cleopatra, the last Egyptian Pharaoh, renowned for her beauty, was part African, says a BBC team which believes it has found her sister's tomb.

Queen Cleopatra was a descendant of Ptolemy, the Macedonian general who ruled Egypt after Alexander the Great.

But remains of the queen's sister Princess Arsinoe, found in Ephesus, Turkey, indicate that her mother had an "African" skeleton.

Experts have described the results as "a real sensation."

The discovery was made by Hilke Thuer of the Austrian Academy of Sciences.

"It is unique in the life of an archaeologist to find the tomb and the skeleton of a member of Ptolemaic dynasty," she said.

“ They were real people and not the semi-mythical figures portrayed by Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor ”


"That Arsinoe had an African mother is a real sensation which leads to a new insight on Cleopatra's family and the relationship of the sisters Cleopatra and Arsinoe."

They lived at a turbulent time when the Roman empire was extending its power across the Mediterranean.

Cleopatra established alliances with the Roman leader Julius Caesar and, after his assassination, with his political supporter, General Mark Antony, to whom she was married.

"Cleopatra, Julius Caesar, Mark Antony - they are all iconic figures from history," said archaeologist Neil Oliver who presents the BBC documentary.

"It's almost impossible to remember they were real people and not the semi-mythical figures portrayed by Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor. It was like a splash of cold water in the face to be confronted by them as human beings, " he continued.

"When I stood in the lab and handled the bones of Cleopatra's blood sister - knowing that in her lifetime she touched Cleopatra and perhaps Julius Caesar and Mark Antony as well - I felt the hairs go up on the back of my neck."

"Suddenly these giant figures from history were flesh and blood," said archaeologist Neil Oliver.

There was plenty of sibling rivalry between Princess Arsinoe and her powerful sister Cleopatra - many believe the queen ordered Mark Antony to murder her sister.

The film examines the life of Cleopatra - who had an affair with Julius Caesar - including her murderous intentions towards Arsinoe.

Cleopatra:Portrait of a Killer is on BBC One at 9pm on 23 March 2009.


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^ LMAO [Big Grin] Yep the Anglo-Idiot is desperate.

First off, even blonde hair and blue eyes was and still is a rare occurrence in the the Balkan areas of Greece and Macedonia.

Second of all, we have this...

The lack of any sign of illness or malnutrition also indicated a sudden death, said Kanz. Evidence of the skeleton’s north African ethnicity provided the final clue.

Caroline Wilkinson, a forensic anthropologist, reconstructed the missing skull based on measurements taken in the 1920s. Using computer technology it was possible to create a facial impression of what Arsinöe might have looked like.

“It has got this long head shape,” said Wilkinson. “That’s something you see quite frequently in ancient Egyptians and black Africans. It could suggest a mixture of ancestry.


There goes the lily white blonde theory. [Roll Eyes]

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^ Nordids/Atlanto-Meds/Atlantids have long heads. My own cephalic index is sub-dolichocephalic and i am Atlantid.

I don't know who started this lie that Caucasoids can not be long-headed. Furthermore the most long-headed are those from northern and north-western Europe, not the south. So Dana's retarded theory ''whites who have long skulls = black admixed'' is completely debunked.

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quote:
Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
^ Nordids/Atlanto-Meds/Atlantids have long heads. My own cephalic index is sub-dolichocephalic and i am Atlantid.

I don't know who started this lie that Caucasoids can not be long-headed. Furthermore the most long-headed are those from northern and north-western Europe, not the south. So Dana's retarded theory ''whites who have long skulls = black admixed'' is completely debunked.

You have nothing to do with our beautiful black Fulani, Watusi, Somali ancestors - Neanderdummy. lol! Be proud of your own Neanderkind. [Big Grin]

No one ever said there no dolichocephalic Europeans. It is your own Neanderdummy scholars that claimed there is no longheadedness on a regional basis anywhere among Europeans. So said your own Ku Klux Coonsman and Isaac Asimov.

Europeans in Nordic countries- unless they have absorbed the primitive neolithic longheaded and thus BLACK people in Europe are predominantly mesocranic and brachycranic. Especially in the Mediterranean and Levant region.

Maybe u should keep reading Coonman and learn why most Europeans INCLUDING NORTHERN ONES aren't longheaded.

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quote:
Maybe u should keep reading Coonman and learn why most Europeans INCLUDING NORTHERN ONES aren't longheaded.
Dumbass, a distinguishing trait of Nordids, Atlantids and Atlanto-Meds of Northern Europe is longheadeness. The Gracile Med types are also sub-dolichocephalic, while as i already showed plenty are fully longheaded. This is repeated through Coon's Races of Europe (1939).

Deniker (1900) who first used the term nordique (northern) which later evolved into Nordic or Nordid, describes the Nordid racial type as follows:

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Great stature, averaging 1 metre 72 to 1 metre 73 ; fair wavy hair ; eyes generally blue ; clear skin ; long face ; straight nose ; dolichocephalic head (index 76 to 79). It is also called the Nordic, Germanic, or Kymric (Broca) race/
Nordids are not brachycephalic. You can find longheaded Caucasoid types all over Europe, none have any ''Black'' admixture.
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^ LOL [Big Grin] Nobody is saying dolichocephaly does not occur among Europeans, you dumb Anglo-f*ck!!! You are right that it is common among 'Nordics'. But all that is besides the point, which is that hyper-dolichocephaly or extreme long headed is a tropical trait associated with black Africans!!

Hence this comment:

“It has got this long head shape,” said Wilkinson. “That’s something you see quite frequently in ancient Egyptians and black Africans. It could suggest a mixture of ancestry.

Or else, why would she make the comparison with Africans in the first place and NOT Europeans?! LOL [Big Grin]

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Another perfect example of hyper-dolichocephaly among Egyptians is King Tut.

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Modern examples from so-called 'Sub-Sahara'.

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^ No 'Nordids' or 'Mediterranid' Euros here.

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Professor Caroline Wilkinson, Forensic Anthropologist on the skull of Arsinoe, Cleopatra's sister/half-sister...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO78VHqAopI&feature=player_embedded

'The distance from the forehead to the back of the skull is long in relation to the overall height of the cranium and that’s something you see quite frequently in certain populations, one of which is Ancient Egyptians and another would be ...um...certain black African groups will also show that characteristic. This one certainly looks more white European but does have this long head shape. It could suggest a mixture of ancestry.’

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quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
Another perfect example of hyper-dolichocephaly among Egyptians is King Tut.

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Modern examples from so-called 'Sub-Sahara'.

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^ No 'Nordids' or 'Mediterranid' Euros here.

He will claim they are cacasoid admixed and magically got from cold adapted body portions with dolichocephaly, to hyper dolichocephaly with hyper tropical body portions.
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Those are fake, shaped through artificial cranial deformation. Also look at their ears, they are artificially stretched.

Natural hyper-dolichocephaly only appears in an extreme minority of Australoids, not Negroids.

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^ Ah stuff a sock in it and shut the f*ck up, you bloody liar! LOL Everything you type and post is a lie. All you do is lie, and your whole life itself with your silly debunked racialized views is nothing but a big lie!

What exactly is "fake"? We have no exact evidence that the Egyptians practiced cranial deformation, though the possibility exists. As for the Maasai, they don't practice cranial deformation at all, you twit! Their hyper-dolichocephaly is totally natural as is many other peoples in East Africa! And I don't know what stretched ear lobes have anything to do with the topic! LOL

Face it, you are a bloody joke and everyone knows it! [Big Grin]

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^Over to you Anglo
BTW what do you make of what Professor Wilkinson said about Arsinoe?

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^ What can he make of it? It totally debunks him as does 100% of the other material we cite from actual physical anthropologist. Anglo-Idiot claims to be knowledgeable about bio-anthropology but all he knows is debunked Coonian b.s. I say, off with the twerp!
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casserites as anglopygmoid boy.
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I'm waiting for the Anglo-Idiotic sissy to respond with evidence of Massai practicing cranial deformation to achieve hyper-dolichocephaly or anything to debunk Wilkinson. [Embarrassed]
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quote:
Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
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Maybe u should keep reading Coonman and learn why most Europeans INCLUDING NORTHERN ONES aren't longheaded.
Dumbass, a distinguishing trait of Nordids, Atlantids and Atlanto-Meds of Northern Europe is longheadeness. The Gracile Med types are also sub-dolichocephalic, while as i already showed plenty are fully longheaded. This is repeated through Coon's Races of Europe (1939).

Deniker (1900) who first used the term nordique (northern) which later evolved into Nordic or Nordid, describes the Nordid racial type as follows:

quote:
Great stature, averaging 1 metre 72 to 1 metre 73 ; fair wavy hair ; eyes generally blue ; clear skin ; long face ; straight nose ; dolichocephalic head (index 76 to 79). It is also called the Nordic, Germanic, or Kymric (Broca) race/
Nordids are not brachycephalic. You can find longheaded Caucasoid types all over Europe, none have any ''Black'' admixture.

What does "appear nowhere on a regional basis mean"? It means the long- headed people are a minority in modern Britain NUT! I don't care if some Brits have curly hair does that mean that gene comes from YOU NEANDERDULLS? USe your common Neanderdumb sense! We are tired of listening to your fantasies!

Next you can tell us how these so called Caucasoid Atlanto-Mediterraneans came to build the same exact type tombs found in ancient Nabta Playa over 7 thousand years ago that black Central AFricans still built until relatively recently and have the same African type skeletons laying next to them since I see you calling yourself an Atlantid on Amazon.com book reviews you did.


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Do you see these BLACK African structures NUT that Africans were building even after the Christian era. The same people that built these structures built them in Britain - not you Neanderdulls!


The same BLACK people that represent themselves in rock art all over mesolithic and neolithic Nubia, the Sahara, North AFrica, Anatolia, SSyria, Arabia and Iberia built these structures not you delusional NEANDERNUTS!.

I already told you Coon's imaginary Atlanto-Mediterranean people were Elliots Smith's megalithic brown race. i.e. some Nilo-Saharan or East AFrican kinky haired people whose astronomical knowledge was such that they were able to build similarly astronomically-based megaliths wherever they went.

Do you think you had some sort of telepathy that let you make the same identical black African structures found at Nabta Playa which appeared several thousand years before they appear in Britain and Malta?!.

You people are complete losers, and obviously envious nuts! [Razz]

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quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ LMAO [Big Grin] Yep the Anglo-Idiot is desperate.

First off, even blonde hair and blue eyes was and still is a rare occurrence in the the Balkan areas of Greece and Macedonia.

Second of all, we have this...

The lack of any sign of illness or malnutrition also indicated a sudden death, said Kanz. Evidence of the skeleton’s north African ethnicity provided the final clue.

Caroline Wilkinson, a forensic anthropologist, reconstructed the missing skull based on measurements taken in the 1920s. Using computer technology it was possible to create a facial impression of what Arsinöe might have looked like.

“It has got this long head shape,” said Wilkinson. “That’s something you see quite frequently in ancient Egyptians and black Africans. It could suggest a mixture of ancestry.


There goes the lily white blonde theory. [Roll Eyes]

Apparently there are mutiple Cleopatra's. About seven, if correct. Could be it dealt with a given status or title. Also, the Macedonians were a group of people of lower rank who the Greeks looked down upon. So we need to make clear distinction between Greeks and Macedonians. I think they looked down on them because of the African ancestry Macedonians have.


The narcissistic Khazarian Anglo boy did not mention this, because he isn't trained in Greek classics.

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quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:
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Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
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Maybe u should keep reading Coonman and learn why most Europeans INCLUDING NORTHERN ONES aren't longheaded.
Dumbass, a distinguishing trait of Nordids, Atlantids and Atlanto-Meds of Northern Europe is longheadeness. The Gracile Med types are also sub-dolichocephalic, while as i already showed plenty are fully longheaded. This is repeated through Coon's Races of Europe (1939).

Deniker (1900) who first used the term nordique (northern) which later evolved into Nordic or Nordid, describes the Nordid racial type as follows:

quote:
Great stature, averaging 1 metre 72 to 1 metre 73 ; fair wavy hair ; eyes generally blue ; clear skin ; long face ; straight nose ; dolichocephalic head (index 76 to 79). It is also called the Nordic, Germanic, or Kymric (Broca) race/
Nordids are not brachycephalic. You can find longheaded Caucasoid types all over Europe, none have any ''Black'' admixture.

What does "appear nowhere on a regional basis mean"? It means the long- headed people are a minority in modern Britain NUT! I don't care if some Brits have curly hair does that mean that gene comes from YOU NEANDERDULLS? USe your common Neanderdumb sense! We are tired of listening to your fantasies!

Next you can tell us how these so called Caucasoid Atlanto-Mediterraneans came to build the same exact type tombs found in ancient Nabta Playa over 7 thousand years ago that black Central AFricans still built until relatively recently and have the same African type skeletons laying next to them since I see you calling yourself an Atlantid on Amazon.com book reviews you did.


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Do you see these BLACK African structures NUT that Africans were building even after the Christian era. The same people that built these structures built them in Britain - not you Neanderdulls!


The same BLACK people that represent themselves in rock art all over mesolithic and neolithic Nubia, the Sahara, North AFrica, Anatolia, SSyria, Arabia and Iberia built these structures not you delusional NEANDERNUTS!.

I already told you Coon's imaginary Atlanto-Mediterranean people were Elliots Smith's megalithic brown race. i.e. some Nilo-Saharan or East AFrican kinky haired people whose astronomical knowledge was such that they were able to build similarly astronomically-based megaliths wherever they went.

Do you think you had some sort of telepathy that let you make the same identical black African structures found at Nabta Playa which appeared several thousand years before they appear in Britain and Malta?!.

You people are complete losers, and obviously envious nuts! [Razz]

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Cleopatra is really bautiful!!!!
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^ From how the texts describe her, Cleopatra wasn't as beautiful as she was impressive. Not that she was ugly, but she wasn't the great beauty many people fantasize she is. Perhaps its due to her Macedonian Ptolmaic ancestry. If she were pure Egyptian she would look much more attractive. LOL
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Apparently there are multiple Cleopatra's. About seven, if correct. Could be it dealt with a given status or title. Also, the Macedonians were a group of people of lower rank who the Greeks looked down upon. So we need to make clear distinction between Greeks and Macedonians. I think they looked down on them because of the African ancestry Macedonians have.

The narcissistic Khazarian Anglo boy did not mention this, because he isn't trained in Greek classics.

Cleopatra is actually a common Greek name. As such, of course there were multiple Cleopatras, though this is the first time I've heard of Greeks looking down on Macedonians for African ancestry. What do you mean by this? As I recall the Greeks looked down on Macedonians as being barbarians or the least Greek. They lived farther to the north. If anything the Greeks have more African ancestry than them!
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