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white nubian what you are doing is a form of unfair vigilante censorship.
Your goal is to be destroy the egyptsearch forums
To accomplish this you will have to post every day forever.
Eventually the posters here will go to a different Egyptology forum. That forum will eventually get all the extra readership that once came here. But another forum will be moderated so you will not be able to mess it up. So the end result may backfire against your intentions
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I would actually be happy if most of the ES posters migrated over to ESR. It's the closest thing on the net to a site you could confidently recommend to teachers, or let your children read. I don't think it's quite there yet, and it might be that another site is required to meet the needs of the above audiences, but it's much closer than ES.
White Nubian might be helping things along!
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Not likely. What sets this forum apart is it unique position that it gets thousands of hits a day. This website has a presence on the web because it was initially linked to mainstream travel sites and Egyptology sites.
White nubian cannot destroy this website no matter how much he floods the threads.
Honestly though Americans are just not that concerned with ancient Egypt enough for another Egyptology website to take off. I could be wrong but the numerous recently published books on ancient Egypt go out of print rather expediently.
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quote:Originally posted by claus3600: I would actually be happy if most of the ES posters migrated over to ESR.
quote:Originally posted by ausar: Not likely. What sets this forum apart is it unique position that it gets thousands of hits a day. This website has a presence on the web because it was initially linked to mainstream travel sites and Egyptology sites.
so are you saying most posters don't go to ESR because they care that this website gets hits on Ali Babba's Cave restaurant or GMTours ?
quote:Originally posted by ausar: White nubian cannot destroy this website no matter how much he floods the threads.
he can put super-size pictures in and destroy the forums. I've done it myself but not over and over again in multiple threads
quote:Originally posted by ausar: Honestly thought Americans are just not that concerned with ancient Egypt enough for another Egyptology website to take off. I could be wrong but the numerous recently published books on ancient Egypt go out of print rather expediently. [/QB]
what is the "taking off part" ? ESR is there and has been there. Why would books be published at all in numerous numbers if the topic wasn't somewhat popular? And why is it all about Americans?
People don't go to ESR as much because they prefer the sport of battling white supremacists not because they care about the views (except zarahan ). That's why Brada should extend a special invitation to Anglo Pyramidologist to post on ESR. But he would not be allowed to make personal threads on Charlie Bass or Swenet. Those type of exposure threads would not be allowd at all or anything overtly racist like saying "black people are ugly"(hate that with a capital H) . I don't support his views at all but many people love getting at him on the back and forth. That generates activity and views and Brada could make more money on ads helping to preserve the site. (Only thing wrong with the site is the name and that orange color) A special section on the site could be called "Contoversial" and include white and black supremacists but posts would have to be approved first, on hold until approved- so they can't make personal identity attacks or overt racial slurs.
On Egyptsearch forums there are only a handful of regular posters around 10 or so. And there are people who just read and they generate views. Ali Baba's Cave and othr advertiser's see the views and places another ad, Other views come from links. The owners are inaccessable and with mailboxes full. They don't care about the quality of the forums as long as there's views and advertisers in other sections of the site keep paying for the ads. Do you get any money from this site?
Just make me the moderator of Egyptology and Ancient Egypt on a one month basis and the problems will be over, all points of view will be allowed but no spam and excess repetition. One month is not much time. Someone else might get more votes to be a moderator but that is bias. I am universially recognized as the most independant least one sided point most in the middle point of view and even more so if moderating. There would be no need for a migation to ESR. But unless there is better moderation that seems a fair option
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: ausar please delete ovresize picture post in
Genomic Ancestry of North Africans Supports Back-to-Africa Migrations Bren
thanks
And while you're at it Ausar, could you delete the over-sized pictures in the other (good) threads as well in both the 'Ancient Egypt' and 'Egyptology' section. Thank you.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: white nubian what you are doing is a form of unfair vigilante censorship.
'Vigilante' would imply someone who breaks the rules for a just or righteous cause, yet white nobody's cause is totally the opposite of that! He is more akin to a dictator or communist regime who censors TRUTH so as to maintain the lies.
quote:Your goal is to be destroy the egyptsearch forums
To accomplish this you will have to post every day forever.
Eventually the posters here will go to a different Egyptology forum. That forum will eventually get all the extra readership that once came here. But another forum will be moderated so you will not be able to mess it up. So the end result may backfire against your intentions
Ausar is correct though, that if nobody's goal is to ruin Egyptsearch then his goal failed before he even attempted it! That's because as Zarahan has repeatedly stated, the data we continuously spew forth is copied and transmitted elsewhere on the net. The idiot can vandalize as many threads as he wants but it won't matter. the TRUTH is out already and people from Tokyo to Amsterdam and from Hong Kong to Buenos Aires are taking the data and running with it!
All of white nobody's efforts have done NOTHING to help his cause! Posts: 26299 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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The key sentences posted by the delusional white supremacist babble box:
"Afrocentrism encourages black Americans to discard their recent history,"
"Walker said his parents came from southern Texas. He was born in Houston in 1941. His family then moved to California. He has never been to Africa and he has no desire to go there."
Dullarts like "albino Nubian". And those he quotes, need to understand that African Americans do not represent all of / or the only black people, I.e. people of African descent.
It's absolutely ridiculous to think so.
There are about a billion people in Africa.
It's simply an understatement to not see African history and cultures as a whole. Especially when we do see connections popping up the more excavations are being done.
For example:
The Empires of the Western Sudan: Mali Empire
quote: Although the reign of the Soso was short-lived, their momentary dominance set the stage for the emergence of a greater empire whose struggle is still commemorated in thriving oral traditions. In the early thirteenth century, the exiled prince Sundiata Keita ("the hungering lion") led a Mande revolt against the powerful Soso king Sumanguru Kante that marked the ascension of the Mali empire. Both a real historical personage and a cultural hero, Sundiata's rise to power is still celebrated in the Mande-speaking world by jalis (often translated as "griots"). Individuals who inherited and acquired special knowledge about history, genealogies, and music, jalis have historically performed a variety of social and political roles and continue to do so today. Their praise songs, now aired over television and radio in addition to live performance, are an important component of contemporary weddings and religious and national holidays.
After Sundiata, the most famous ruler of the Mali empire is Mansa Kankan Musa I, who came to power several decades after the death of his legendary predecessor. Musa was not the first emperor of Mali to embrace Islam; unlike the Soninke and the Soso, Mande royalty adopted the religion relatively early. However, Musa's hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca) of 132425 drew the attention of both the Islamic world and Europeans, who were unprepared for the lavish wealth and generosity that the Malian king displayed during his stopover in Egypt. Accompanied by an enormous entourage, Musa apparently dispensed so much gold in Cairo that the precious metal's value plummeted and did not recover for several years thereafter. The Mali empire, previously little known beyond the western Sudan, now became legendary in the Islamic world and Europe. The image of Mansa Musa bearing nuggets of gold was subsequently commemorated in maps of the African continent.
The fourteenth-century traveler Ibn Battuta visited ancient Mali a few decades after Musa's death and was much impressed by the peace and lawfulness he found strictly enforced there. The Mali empire extended over an area larger than western Europe and consisted of numerous vassal kingdoms and provinces. Following Mansa Musa's death, Mali went into a long decline, shrinking to the size of its original territory by 1645.
quote: It was from one of Mali's former conquests, the kingdom of Gao, that the last major empire of the western Sudan emerged. Although the city of Gao had been occupied by a Songhai dynasty prior to being conquered by Mansa Musa's forces in 1325, it was not until much later that the Songhai empire emerged. It began to rise in 1464 when Sonni cAli Ber came to power. Sonni cAli conquered much of the weakening Mali empire's territory as well as Timbuktu, famous for its Islamic universities and the pivotal trading city of Jenne. Following Sonni cAli's death, Muslim factions rebelled against his successor and installed Askia Muhammad (formerly Muhammad Ture) as the first ruler of the Askia dynasty (14921592). Under the Askias, the Songhai empire reached its zenith, Timbuktu and Jenne flourished as centers of Islamic learning, and Islam was actively promoted.
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What this person above basically doing is ignoring peer reviewed historical facts on the African continent, disregarding it, regarding as untrue. lol
However, this individual is not able to refute any of the data posted. Mere, repeat the same delusional opinion, which isn't based on facts or actual research other then a "rant". Basically it's a sum of outrageous statements. First by some random jazz critic and now:
"Afrocentrism encourages black Americans to discard their recent history,"
"Walker said his parents came from southern Texas. He was born in Houston in 1941. His family then moved to California. He has never been to Africa and he has no desire to go there."
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^ Apparently he is trying to become a nemesis for ALL of us considering his disruptive bandwidth bombs. Such is becoming difficult to ignore.
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: The key sentences posted by the delusional white supremacist babble box:
"Afrocentrism encourages black Americans to discard their recent history,"
This makes no sense. It's like saying Eurocentrism encourages white Americans to discard their recent history.
Afrocentrism at least in its scholarly aspect simply has Africa in its focus or center. That is all. Africa IS after all significant to world history.
The crazy part is the idiot nobody's crazy attack on 'Afrocentrism' is that his very forum is about Egypt which IS an African nation whose ancient dynastic culture was very much African!!
quote:Originally posted by white nubian:
quote: Instead of promoting the mythology of Afrocentrism, Walker would like to see colleges and universities hire professors of African history who know what they're talking about.
It would be nice if egyptsearch attracted people who're actually experts in historical facts and not just Afronut Idiots who care nothing for the truth, but want to promote their Black Agenda Full of Lies!!
If we 'Afronuts' are merely promoting an agenda based on lies then why the hell do we constantly cite sources written by the very historical experts you ask for, you idiotic fool?!!
..sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty (Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline variation along the Nile valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into southern Palestine. The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans. Barry Kemp (Egyptologist)
The evidence also points to linkages to other northeast African peoples, not coincidentally approximating the modern range of languages closely related to Egyptian in the Afro-Asiatic group (formerly called Hamito-Semetic). These linguistic similarities place ancient Egyptian in a close relationship with languages spoken today as far west as Chad, and as far south as Somalia.
Archaeological evidence also strongly supports an African origin. A widespread northeastern African cultural assemblage, including distinctive multiple barbed harpoons and pottery decorated with dotted wavy line patterns, appears during the early Neolithic (also known as the Aqualithic, a reference to the mild climate of the Sahara at this time). Saharan and Sudanese rock art from this time resembles early Egyptian iconography. Strong connections between Nubian (Sudanese) and Egyptian material culture continue in later Neolithic Badarian culture of Upper Egypt. Similarities include black-topped wares, vessels with characteristic ripple-burnished surfaces, a special tulip-shaped vessel with incised and white-filled decoration, palettes, and harpoons...
Other ancient Egyptian practices show strong similarities to modern African cultures including divine kingship, the use of headrests, body art, circumcision, and male coming-of-age rituals, all suggesting an African substratum or foundation for Egyptian civilization.. Donald Redford (Egyptologist)
The peoples of Egypt, the Sudan, and much of East African Ethiopia and Somalia are now generally regarded as a Nilotic continuity, with widely ranging physical features (complexions light to dark, various hair and craniofacial types) but with powerful common cultural traits, including cattle pastoralist traditions.. Frank Yurco (Egyptologist)
These... were long-headed-dolicocephalic is the learned term-and below even medium stature, but Negroid features are often to be observed. Whatever may be said of the northerners, it is safe to describe the dwellers in Upper Egypt as of essentially African stock, a character always retained despite alien influences brought to bear on them from time to time. Sir Alan Gardiner (Egyptologist)
..the early cultures of Merimde, the Fayum, Badari Naqada I and II are essentially African and early African social customs and religious beliefs were the root and foundation of the ancient Egyptian way of life. Ian Shaw (Egyptologist)
..There are closer relations with northeast African religions. The numerous animal cults (especially bovine cults and panther gods) and details of ritual dresses (animal tails, masks, grass aprons, etc) probably are of African origin. The kinship in particular shows some African elements, such as the king as the head ritualist (i.e.,medicine man), the limitations and renewal of the reign (jubilees, regicide), and the position of the king's mother (a matriarchal element). Some of them can be found among the Ethiopians in Napata and Meroe, others among the Prenilotic tribes (Shilluk). Encyclopedia Britannica
Ahmed Saleh, an (Egyptian) archeological inspector for the Supreme Council who complained, among other things, that the procedures used in the facial re-creation made Tut look Caucasian, disrespecting the nation's African roots.
There are many more experts who have been cited and named many times before, yet your deranged dumb self insists that we go against the experts! Posts: 26299 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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I was about to make a post to you in Lioness African wikipedia thread until that annoying **** ruined the whole thread!
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If you think we're spreading false information then why don't you debate us and try to debunk everything we post like a man instead of spamming this forum like a whining child.
Talk is cheap, prove that we are 'evil Afronuts' by debunking us. We'll wait...
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quote: Apparently he is trying to become a nemesis for ALL of us considering his disruptive bandwidth bombs. Such is becoming difficult to ignore.
White Nubian only seeks to spread the truth and destroy the evil Afronuts and their lackeys.
You're nothing, but a Fool's Parrot, without any known credentials. Basically, a boring Afronut Lackey, who has very little to offer Independent Thinkers and People Who Value The Truth!!
Unfortunately you haven't posted anything of "truth". It was mere white supremacist racist slander, no more no less.
You are far from being objective, albino nubian".
Look at your last sentence again. You've contradicted yourself, like the dumb you are.
"Basically, a boring Afronut Lackey, who has very little to offer Independent Thinkers and People Who Value The Truth!!"
The more you post the more we see, how dumb you actually are. Thus, why you posted/ cited nonsense repeatedly.
In fact we are independent thinkers, but we backup with peer reviewed sources. To reinforce it!
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^ Of course. And note how the Oxy-Moron totally ignored by posting of sources from the very EXPERTS which he demands!
..sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty (Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline variation along the Nile valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into southern Palestine. The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans. Barry Kemp (Egyptologist)
The evidence also points to linkages to other northeast African peoples, not coincidentally approximating the modern range of languages closely related to Egyptian in the Afro-Asiatic group (formerly called Hamito-Semetic). These linguistic similarities place ancient Egyptian in a close relationship with languages spoken today as far west as Chad, and as far south as Somalia. Archaeological evidence also strongly supports an African origin. A widespread northeastern African cultural assemblage, including distinctive multiple barbed harpoons and pottery decorated with dotted wavy line patterns, appears during the early Neolithic (also known as the Aqualithic, a reference to the mild climate of the Sahara at this time). Saharan and Sudanese rock art from this time resembles early Egyptian iconography. Strong connections between Nubian (Sudanese) and Egyptian material culture continue in later Neolithic Badarian culture of Upper Egypt. Similarities include black-topped wares, vessels with characteristic ripple-burnished surfaces, a special tulip-shaped vessel with incised and white-filled decoration, palettes, and harpoons... Other ancient Egyptian practices show strong similarities to modern African cultures including divine kingship, the use of headrests, body art, circumcision, and male coming-of-age rituals, all suggesting an African substratum or foundation for Egyptian civilization.. Donald Redford (Egyptologist)
The peoples of Egypt, the Sudan, and much of East African Ethiopia and Somalia are now generally regarded as a Nilotic continuity, with widely ranging physical features (complexions light to dark, various hair and craniofacial types) but with powerful common cultural traits, including cattle pastoralist traditions.. Frank Yurco (Egyptologist)
These... were long-headed-dolicocephalic is the learned term-and below even medium stature, but Negroid features are often to be observed. Whatever may be said of the northerners, it is safe to describe the dwellers in Upper Egypt as of essentially African stock, a character always retained despite alien influences brought to bear on them from time to time. Sir Alan Gardiner (Egyptologist)
..the early cultures of Merimde, the Fayum, Badari Naqada I and II are essentially African and early African social customs and religious beliefs were the root and foundation of the ancient Egyptian way of life. Ian Shaw (Egyptologist)
..There are closer relations with northeast African religions. The numerous animal cults (especially bovine cults and panther gods) and details of ritual dresses (animal tails, masks, grass aprons, etc) probably are of African origin. The kinship in particular shows some African elements, such as the king as the head ritualist (i.e.,medicine man), the limitations and renewal of the reign (jubilees, regicide), and the position of the king's mother (a matriarchal element). Some of them can be found among the Ethiopians in Napata and Meroe, others among the Prenilotic tribes (Shilluk). Encyclopedia Britannica
Ahmed Saleh, an (Egyptian) archeological inspector for the Supreme Council who complained, among other things, that the procedures used in the facial re-creation made Tut look Caucasian, disrespecting the nation's African roots.
Tell us, Oxy-moron.. Are the authors I cited above 'Afronuts' or 'Afronut lackeys' too?? Posts: 26299 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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White Nubian you are a big loser. Why don't you travel to Egypt and protest in the street with the Muslim brotherhood for the reinstallation to power of Muslim Bro President Mohammed Mursi . Stop the sabotage of Egypt Search Forum.
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^^ translation: "white nitwit operates using idiotic methods. There are more effective ways to deal with these folks whom I can't refute like hit-and-run thread distortions. I know that I can't do anything to refute the material because it's true and I'm the liar but I'm too proud and stupid to admit it."
Hey Oxy-moron, why not answer my question! Are all those authors I posted Afronuts or Afronut lackeys, or are they not?! Posts: 26299 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote: Instead of promoting the mythology of Afrocentrism, Walker would like to see colleges and universities hire professors of African history who know what they're talking about.
It would be nice if egyptsearch attracted people who're actually experts in historical facts and not just Afronut Idiots who care nothing for the truth, but want to promote their Black Agenda Full of Lies!!
You don't seem to show interest in ancient Egyptian history. This website attracts people who have afrocentric leanings it's a fact but if you do away with them there's nobody left.
Suppose a whole bunch of white Egypt types showed up. Then some afrocentric could come in and mess up the forum with the same giant picture technique. But the fact is there are not a whole bunch of white Egypt types around
There's another ancient Egyptian forum that is not afocentric leaning called Egyptian Dreams
I haven't read that much of it but they don't seem like they are on a Euocentric mission either. They seem not interested as much in racial politics. You could go there but you seem to only care about racial politics.
Posters here seem to like when one or two Eurocentrics comes here and argues back and forth on details on things such as morphology or genetics. But you don't even do that. You simply post the same Stanley Crouch piece over and over. It's boring and sensless. You don't really seem interested in ancient Egypt you just want to shut up black people for it's own sake. Egypt is in Africa and is part of the Nile valley. Even if you don't think ancient Egypt was entirely "black" you have to respect that it is in Africa and was part of ancient interactions with black African people and cultures.
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..sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty (Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline variation along the Nile valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into southern Palestine. The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans. Barry Kemp (Egyptologist)
The evidence also points to linkages to other northeast African peoples, not coincidentally approximating the modern range of languages closely related to Egyptian in the Afro-Asiatic group (formerly called Hamito-Semetic). These linguistic similarities place ancient Egyptian in a close relationship with languages spoken today as far west as Chad, and as far south as Somalia. Archaeological evidence also strongly supports an African origin. A widespread northeastern African cultural assemblage, including distinctive multiple barbed harpoons and pottery decorated with dotted wavy line patterns, appears during the early Neolithic (also known as the Aqualithic, a reference to the mild climate of the Sahara at this time). Saharan and Sudanese rock art from this time resembles early Egyptian iconography. Strong connections between Nubian (Sudanese) and Egyptian material culture continue in later Neolithic Badarian culture of Upper Egypt. Similarities include black-topped wares, vessels with characteristic ripple-burnished surfaces, a special tulip-shaped vessel with incised and white-filled decoration, palettes, and harpoons... Other ancient Egyptian practices show strong similarities to modern African cultures including divine kingship, the use of headrests, body art, circumcision, and male coming-of-age rituals, all suggesting an African substratum or foundation for Egyptian civilization.. Donald Redford (Egyptologist)
The peoples of Egypt, the Sudan, and much of East African Ethiopia and Somalia are now generally regarded as a Nilotic continuity, with widely ranging physical features (complexions light to dark, various hair and craniofacial types) but with powerful common cultural traits, including cattle pastoralist traditions.. Frank Yurco (Egyptologist)
These... were long-headed-dolicocephalic is the learned term-and below even medium stature, but Negroid features are often to be observed. Whatever may be said of the northerners, it is safe to describe the dwellers in Upper Egypt as of essentially African stock, a character always retained despite alien influences brought to bear on them from time to time. Sir Alan Gardiner (Egyptologist)
..the early cultures of Merimde, the Fayum, Badari Naqada I and II are essentially African and early African social customs and religious beliefs were the root and foundation of the ancient Egyptian way of life. Ian Shaw (Egyptologist)
..There are closer relations with northeast African religions. The numerous animal cults (especially bovine cults and panther gods) and details of ritual dresses (animal tails, masks, grass aprons, etc) probably are of African origin. The kinship in particular shows some African elements, such as the king as the head ritualist (i.e.,medicine man), the limitations and renewal of the reign (jubilees, regicide), and the position of the king's mother (a matriarchal element). Some of them can be found among the Ethiopians in Napata and Meroe, others among the Prenilotic tribes (Shilluk). Encyclopedia Britannica
Ahmed Saleh, an (Egyptian) archeological inspector for the Supreme Council who complained, among other things, that the procedures used in the facial re-creation made Tut look Caucasian, disrespecting the nation's African roots.
Really?? Are they false, Oxy-Moron?
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quote:Afrocentrism, in all its historical glory, is a farce. Its like Holocaust denial in reverse (one done to gather sympathy rather than horror).
Its a relic of the discredited past, together with flower power and the drugged-out hippies.
Mos Def shows that rappers/hip-hoppers are idiots. Always have been plus their music sucks. Pyrrhus S.
Euocentrics have been around a lot longer than afrocentrics. There have been a lot more of them and they have used more oppressive tactics as well
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quote:Originally posted by white nubian: When you argue with fools, zealots, and Afronuts, you're wasting your time.
But, when Academics feel the need to write books, which expose these Afronut Fools, then the trail is getting hotter.
When even Black Scholars feel the need to Debunk These Afronut Fools, then you know the truth is being hidden by these same fools.
Therefore, you defeat the Afronut Fools, not by arguing with them, but by exposing them and their so called Fake History Dreams of LaLa Land!!
You only quote pieces against afrocentricity but you produce no sources that you think are more credible on ancient except if the author is explcitly writing a critique on afrocentricity. As for basic information on ancient Egypt you have no sources, no authors.
You create nothing you just want to destroy
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: You (White Nobody) don't seem to show interest in ancient Egyptian history.
Of course he doesn't. There have been many threads on ancient Egyptian culture and history (without saying anything about phenotype of 'race'), yet he hasn't posted sh*t in any of them.
quote:This website attracts people who have afrocentric leanings it's a fact but if you do away with them there's nobody left.
Now you are lying because this site also attracts Euronuts like White Nobody and yourself as well as others! It is the so-called 'Afrocentrics' who actually post topics on Egyptian history and culture. YOU are the only Euronut who does the same.
quote:Suppose a whole bunch of white Egypt types showed up. Then some afrocentric could come in and mess up the forum with the same giant picture technique. But the fact is there are not a whole bunch of white Egypt types around.
LOL Obviously you presume that 'Afrocentrics' are as vindictive and psychotic as Euronuts like White Nobody. I have seen many an Afrocentric attack Euronuts in their own websites through DEBATE and I have yet to see one use vandalism tactics! So obviously you presume too much, or you're just lying again.
quote:There's another ancient Egyptian forum that is not afocentric leaning called Egyptian Dreams
I haven't read that much of it but they don't seem like they are on a Euocentric mission either. They seem not interested as much in racial politics. You could go there but you seem to only care about racial politics.
I actually used to post there years ago, but I personally preferred Egyptsearch NOT only because they address the important issue of the historical repression of Egypt's black identity but because posters address other aspects of Egyptian culture and history including theories you don't hear elsewhere.
quote:Posters here seem to like when one or two Eurocentrics comes here and argues back and forth on details on things such as morphology or genetics. But you don't even do that. You simply post the same Stanley Crouch piece over and over. It's boring and senseless. You don't really seem interested in ancient Egypt you just want to shut up black people for it's own sake.
You thus prove my point. Debate and free speech is not only a sign of healthy democracy but healthy logic as well. Those with the most valid arguments eventually win. When one party wants to shut up or silence others it means that party is LOSING the argument and is totally desperate to win at any cost which means he/she is not really winning at all. White Nobody is too dumb to realize this though. Through such a tactic, the liars may 'win' in the short run but in the long run they ALWAYS lose eventually! Look at communism for example.
quote:Egypt is in Africa and is part of the Nile valley. Even if you don't think ancient Egypt was entirely "black" you have to respect that it is in Africa and was part of ancient interactions with black African people and cultures.
First of all it matters not what one "thinks" but what IS. Second of all, what's with the (your) strawman of "entirely black". Greece was not entirely white, yet nobody with sanity denies that Greece is in Europe and was part of ancient interactions with white European peoples and cultures!! Posts: 26299 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Son of Ra: @White Nubian
If you think we're spreading false information then why don't you debate us and try to debunk everything we post like a man instead of spamming this forum like a whining child.
Talk is cheap, prove that we are 'evil Afronuts' by debunking us. We'll wait...
White Nubian does not operate using conventional methods. There more subtle ways to deal with Zealots, that are more effective and provide a wider coverage of spreading the truth.
Oh so what you're basically saying is that you can't debunk/refute the sources of what your opponents post, so you resort to trolling out of desperation.
Don't worry...You're not the first Eurofck to do this or the last. -__-
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quote:Originally posted by white nitwit: When you argue with fools, zealots, and Afronuts, you're wasting your time.
But, when Academics feel the need to write books,...
You mean these books below by valid mainstream academics?!!...
..sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty (Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline variation along the Nile valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into southern Palestine. The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans. Ancient Egypt Anatomy of a Civilisation by Barry Kemp (Egyptologist)
The evidence also points to linkages to other northeast African peoples, not coincidentally approximating the modern range of languages closely related to Egyptian in the Afro-Asiatic group (formerly called Hamito-Semetic). These linguistic similarities place ancient Egyptian in a close relationship with languages spoken today as far west as Chad, and as far south as Somalia. Archaeological evidence also strongly supports an African origin. A widespread northeastern African cultural assemblage, including distinctive multiple barbed harpoons and pottery decorated with dotted wavy line patterns, appears during the early Neolithic (also known as the Aqualithic, a reference to the mild climate of the Sahara at this time). Saharan and Sudanese rock art from this time resembles early Egyptian iconography. Strong connections between Nubian (Sudanese) and Egyptian material culture continue in later Neolithic Badarian culture of Upper Egypt. Similarities include black-topped wares, vessels with characteristic ripple-burnished surfaces, a special tulip-shaped vessel with incised and white-filled decoration, palettes, and harpoons... Other ancient Egyptian practices show strong similarities to modern African cultures including divine kingship, the use of headrests, body art, circumcision, and male coming-of-age rituals, all suggesting an African substratum or foundation for Egyptian civilization.. The Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt by Professor Donald Redford (Egyptologist)
The peoples of Egypt, the Sudan, and much of East African Ethiopia and Somalia are now generally regarded as a Nilotic continuity, with widely ranging physical features (complexions light to dark, various hair and craniofacial types) but with powerful common cultural traits, including cattle pastoralist traditions.. "An Egyptological Review" by Dr. Frank Yurco (Egyptologist)
These... were long-headed-dolicocephalic is the learned term-and below even medium stature, but Negroid features are often to be observed. Whatever may be said of the northerners, it is safe to describe the dwellers in Upper Egypt as of essentially African stock, a character always retained despite alien influences brought to bear on them from time to time. Egypt of the Pharaohs by Professor Sir Alan Gardiner (Egyptologist)
..the early cultures of Merimde, the Fayum, Badari Naqada I and II are essentially African and early African social customs and religious beliefs were the root and foundation of the ancient Egyptian way of life. The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt by Dr. Ian Shaw (Egyptologist)
..There are closer relations with northeast African religions. The numerous animal cults (especially bovine cults and panther gods) and details of ritual dresses (animal tails, masks, grass aprons, etc) probably are of African origin. The kinship in particular shows some African elements, such as the king as the head ritualist (i.e.,medicine man), the limitations and renewal of the reign (jubilees, regicide), and the position of the king's mother (a matriarchal element). Some of them can be found among the Ethiopians in Napata and Meroe, others among the Prenilotic tribes (Shilluk). **Encyclopedia Britannica**
Someone's fake history dreams of LaLa Land is exposed, but it ain't the Afrocentrics!! LMAOPosts: 26299 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Son of Ra: Oh so what you're basically saying is that you can't debunk/refute the sources of what your opponents post, so you resort to trolling out of desperation.
Don't worry...You're not the first Eurofck to do this or the last. -__-
LOL If there's anything worse than a Euronut, it's a Euronut suffering from actual neurosis. In this case, psychotic delusion. His delusion is so powerful, no matter how many times you post scientific evidence he will ignore it as long as it contradicts his beliefs yet he the accuses US (sane people) of living in a delusion, thus projecting his own psychosis onto US!! Posts: 26299 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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By the way, to Lioness and others I plan on posting a series of topics on Egyptian history and culture but not until the Oxy-Moron's idiocy is deleted.
I refuse to allow his idiocy to defile my threads.
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quote:Originally posted by Son of Ra: Oh so what you're basically saying is that you can't debunk/refute the sources of what your opponents post, so you resort to trolling out of desperation.
Don't worry...You're not the first Eurofck to do this or the last. -__-
LOL If there's anything worse than a Euronut, it's a Euronut suffering from actual neurosis. In this case, psychotic delusion. His delusion is so powerful, no matter how many times you post scientific evidence he will ignore it as long as it contradicts his beliefs yet he the accuses US (sane people) of living in a delusion, thus projecting his own psychosis onto US!!
Djehuti...I dealt with Euronuts like White Nubian LOADS of times on the internet. Just ask Troll Patrol when me and him were debating against Euronuts on another site.
Like Truthcentric said, they're not worth it. All I care for now is just educating myself further on African history, since there is much we do not know.
I am really frustrated that I can't find any info whatsoever on the Kanem empire of central Africa. You can barely if at all find in info on that empire. Yet its the second largest empire in African history after the songhai empire, had the largest cities in the world, had knights who wore chainmail armor, they were one of the first africans to use gunpowder and they were very skilled in calvary.
I had this discussion with a member on Historum, he made a thread about his frustration too about not finding any info on this empire.
This is why I am annoyed by what WHite Nubian was doing, because many people come to Egyptsearch to not only learn about Ancient Egyptian history but African history as a whole, because the info posted here you rarely find anywhere else.
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^ Actually Kanem Bornu was located in the Sahel and Sahara, but I guess you can say that it was 'central' African in the fact that it lay pretty much at the center of the Trans-Saharan trade system.
I personally am a little OCD prefer to stick to the subject of Ancient Egypt in this forum, but I don't mind discussing other African related cultures.
Speaking of which, this is such bad timing because there are a bunch of juicy facts I came across in regards to Egypt that I want to share but don't want any of it tarnished by the Euronut Oxy-Moron.
I'll just wait for Ausar or some other moderator to delete the nonsense and then continue.
While the cats are away, the rats will play is the situation here in Egyptsearch as long as moderators are absent.
I ain't mad at Ausar since he has a busy life, but I wonder about the other moderators. If there were more moderators then perhaps there would be more policing.
I remember someone suggested that I be moderator but some of the veterans seemed to have a serious problem with that. Not that I want the job, but times like this made me wish I was moderator.
If I was moderator all trolling posts would be deleted and idiots banned. The rest of the posters can have free reign as long as they abide by forum rules.
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I know The Kanem empire was in the Sahel, but I am mostly speaking geographically, it is positioned in the center of Africa. And not only that, but it was mostly in Chad. Isn't Chad central Africa?
And yeah this site definitely needs more mod support, because people with an agenda are going to come here and try to ruin this site with trolling and spamming. They know they will get away due to lack of mod support.
I don't care who is mod. This site just needs good mod support and then everything will get back on track. Or...I can make a site for all to post until Ausar fixes the problem.
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quote:Originally posted by Son of Ra: Or...I can make a site for all to post until Ausar fixes the problem.
I like this idea.
If you guys really want me to...I can do it.
Its easy and free. And if I do make it. EVERYONE is invited, even White Nubian. But be warned there WILL be mod support and no trolling or spamming.
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I know The Kanem empire was in the Sahel, but I am mostly speaking geographically, it is positioned in the center of Africa. And not only that, but it was mostly in Chad. Isn't Chad central Africa?
And yeah this site definitely needs more mod support, because people with an agenda are going to come here and try to ruin this site with trolling and spamming. They know they will get away due to lack of mod support.
I don't care who is mod. This site just needs good mod support and then everything will get back on track. Or...I can make a site for all to post until Ausar fixes the problem.
You would make a good and objective mod, I am sure of this. I don't have the time, my schedule is too busy.
Posts: 22244 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010
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quote:Originally posted by Son of Ra: Oh so what you're basically saying is that you can't debunk/refute the sources of what your opponents post, so you resort to trolling out of desperation.
Don't worry...You're not the first Eurofck to do this or the last. -__-
LOL If there's anything worse than a Euronut, it's a Euronut suffering from actual neurosis. In this case, psychotic delusion. His delusion is so powerful, no matter how many times you post scientific evidence he will ignore it as long as it contradicts his beliefs yet he the accuses US (sane people) of living in a delusion, thus projecting his own psychosis onto US!!
Thus far I haven't seen any credible source by the delusional one. I did see him post about a "rapper/ actor" MosDef beefing with other rap artists. This is a so called rebuttal to the peer reviewed scholar sources we've posted.
Ironically MosDef is a conscious rapper who is against mainstream rappers.
Then he goes on "claiming" the "black scholars" (which he compares to apes) have debunked the peer reviewed scholarly sources we've cited. However, nowhere did I read any valid argument. lol
He posted about a Radom jazz critic and about some African American scholar who had no training or education in any of the fields he ranted about.
And they've so called debunked the sources. When he can't even address what you've posted.
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^ Indeed, that's all he does-- cites sources critiquing Afrocentrism but NEVER directly addressing the evidence we present.
White Nitwit is not only a buffoon but a coward as well. He knows he lost the argument from the start so all he posts are strawman and red-herring nonsense.
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^You can't boycott this site. It's your life, and you know it.
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quote:Originally posted by white nitwit: When you argue with fools, zealots, and Afronuts, you're wasting your time.
But, when Academics feel the need to write books,...
You mean these books below by valid mainstream academics?!!...
..sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty (Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline variation along the Nile valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into southern Palestine. The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans. Ancient Egypt Anatomy of a Civilisation by Barry Kemp (Egyptologist)
The evidence also points to linkages to other northeast African peoples, not coincidentally approximating the modern range of languages closely related to Egyptian in the Afro-Asiatic group (formerly called Hamito-Semetic). These linguistic similarities place ancient Egyptian in a close relationship with languages spoken today as far west as Chad, and as far south as Somalia. Archaeological evidence also strongly supports an African origin. A widespread northeastern African cultural assemblage, including distinctive multiple barbed harpoons and pottery decorated with dotted wavy line patterns, appears during the early Neolithic (also known as the Aqualithic, a reference to the mild climate of the Sahara at this time). Saharan and Sudanese rock art from this time resembles early Egyptian iconography. Strong connections between Nubian (Sudanese) and Egyptian material culture continue in later Neolithic Badarian culture of Upper Egypt. Similarities include black-topped wares, vessels with characteristic ripple-burnished surfaces, a special tulip-shaped vessel with incised and white-filled decoration, palettes, and harpoons... Other ancient Egyptian practices show strong similarities to modern African cultures including divine kingship, the use of headrests, body art, circumcision, and male coming-of-age rituals, all suggesting an African substratum or foundation for Egyptian civilization.. The Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt by Professor Donald Redford (Egyptologist)
The peoples of Egypt, the Sudan, and much of East African Ethiopia and Somalia are now generally regarded as a Nilotic continuity, with widely ranging physical features (complexions light to dark, various hair and craniofacial types) but with powerful common cultural traits, including cattle pastoralist traditions.. "An Egyptological Review" by Dr. Frank Yurco (Egyptologist)
These... were long-headed-dolicocephalic is the learned term-and below even medium stature, but Negroid features are often to be observed. Whatever may be said of the northerners, it is safe to describe the dwellers in Upper Egypt as of essentially African stock, a character always retained despite alien influences brought to bear on them from time to time. Egypt of the Pharaohs by Professor Sir Alan Gardiner (Egyptologist)
..the early cultures of Merimde, the Fayum, Badari Naqada I and II are essentially African and early African social customs and religious beliefs were the root and foundation of the ancient Egyptian way of life. The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt by Dr. Ian Shaw (Egyptologist)
..There are closer relations with northeast African religions. The numerous animal cults (especially bovine cults and panther gods) and details of ritual dresses (animal tails, masks, grass aprons, etc) probably are of African origin. The kinship in particular shows some African elements, such as the king as the head ritualist (i.e.,medicine man), the limitations and renewal of the reign (jubilees, regicide), and the position of the king's mother (a matriarchal element). Some of them can be found among the Ethiopians in Napata and Meroe, others among the Prenilotic tribes (Shilluk). **Encyclopedia Britannica**
Someone's fake history dreams of LaLa Land is exposed, but it ain't the Afrocentrics!! LMAO
Thus far the delusional one has not shown any peer reviewed sources to "debunk" what we've posted. All I have seen thus far was slander and nonsense claims which have nothing do with the topic at hand at all.
Not even one valid argument. I wonder why this?
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Indeed, that's all he does-- cites sources critiquing Afrocentrism but NEVER directly addressing the evidence we present.
White Nitwit is not only a buffoon but a coward as well. He knows he lost the argument from the start so all he posts are strawman and red-herring nonsense.
To analyze the argument by delusional " white nobody".
In order to claim Egypt, the delusional one needs to claim Nubians (Southern Egyptians).
But everything has been exposed already.
quote: "African peoples are the most diverse in the world whether analyzed by DNA or skeletal or cranial methods. The peoples of the Nile Valley vary but they are still related. The people most related ethnically to the ancient Egyptians are other Africans like Nubians not cold-climate/light skinned Europeans or Asiatics.
(Keita 1996; Rethelford, 2001; Bianchi 2004, Yurco 1989; Godde 2009)
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: ^You can't boycott this site. It's your life, and you know it.
It would be for my own good also
people could go to ESR for one month and pledge not to post here for July You have to realize this is a good idea despite me coming uo with it
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That white Nubian character is an agent who is trying to destroy the teaching of real history. White Nubian is an anarchist that is sabotaging EGSF blog.
Where is the manager of EGSF blog?. Is he on vacation, in prison, at the hospital, on rehab etc. Stuff happen to people.
You can have your discussions in peace on this site, until Ausar deals with the problem.
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