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???? confused. Why even entertain such a archaic discussion or be involved in it? That thinking is so outdated. Only rabid Euronutz will be believe anything as such. Yes, Caucasoids are indigenous Africa. Yes, Neolithics came from the south enterng Europe. We know that now. Caucasoids have always been in Africa. Always. Unfortunately they have no connection with Modern Europeans. A long face and straight nose do NOT make them an “European”? . LOL. Who believes that in 2015. It is a continuum ….THAT is the relationship.
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: of course they were indigenous Africans but more importantly they were black. iMazighen are indigenous African. the coastal ones are indeed white nowadays. this is where the ruse comes in to substitute modern-day white Berbers as indigenous Africans thus ancient Egyptians as indigenous Africans could also be white or non black. Don't be fooled. indigenous African alone is not enough. indigenous black African should be the watchword ( even though I personally object to the designation black African because it is used as a barrier separation divider tool).
This is being dismissed. I have seen instances were they claim that "pure eurasians/ caucasoids" went to Africa 30-40Kya, and that these ethnic groups you speak of are therefore mixed. The only real/ original people are the congoid bantus. However, these too are actually a mix of San and eurasian, about 12 thousands years ago in West Africa. The Neolithic pottery etc in these regions is then being explained as due to eurasian back migrations. In other words, all the studies being done on Paleolithic, Mesolithic and Neolithic history on these regions is actually the history of these alleged Eurasians/ caucasoids with Neanderthal DNA.
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: [QB] ???? confused. Why even entertain such a archaic discussion or be involved in it? That thinking is so outdated. Only rabid Euronutz will be believe anything as such. Yes, Caucasoids are indigenous Africa. Yes, Neolithics came from the south enterng Europe. We know that now. Caucasoids have always been in Africa. Always. Unfortunately they have no connection with Modern Europeans.
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Man, I love being right!
Europeans are depigmented Africans
yep, xyyman's comments all add up very nicely
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“Here comes the conman. Coming with his conplan………….we gonna chase”
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Yes. It is a continuum...Europeans are depigmented Africans.
“All Europeans are Caucacoids but not all “Caucasoids” are Europeans.” That is like saying all peoples with black hair are of the same “race”. Lol! Archaic, outdated and idiotic. There is no convincing idiots like that. Let them wither and die in their feces. They are a dying breed.
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We know that AEians were indigenous Africans through Archeology. We see the development of the civilization starting from the deep south.
We now know the AEians genetically cluster with other Africans and very very distantly from modern Europeans and people from the modern Levant.
AEians described themselves and other Africans as black. The pictures in the tombs show they were undoubtedly black.
What is the problem…and discussion?
Let us assume that AEians show SNPs for white skin. Will that make them Europeans? Really. E1b1a with white skin. See my white west African thread. Lol!
Who gives are f… what bigoted academics think. It is like a group of lunatics talking to themselves in a room and jerking each other off.
“Massa we can read and write now”. Lol!
Carry on! Pardon the interruption.
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: ???? confused. Why even entertain such a archaic discussion or be involved in it? That thinking is so outdated. Only rabid Euronutz will be believe anything as such. Yes, Caucasoids are indigenous Africa. Yes, Neolithics came from the south enterng Europe. We know that now. Caucasoids have always been in Africa. Always. Unfortunately they have no connection with Modern Europeans. A long face and straight nose do NOT make them an “European”? . LOL. Who believes that in 2015. It is a continuum ….THAT is the relationship.
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: of course they were indigenous Africans but more importantly they were black. iMazighen are indigenous African. the coastal ones are indeed white nowadays. this is where the ruse comes in to substitute modern-day white Berbers as indigenous Africans thus ancient Egyptians as indigenous Africans could also be white or non black. Don't be fooled. indigenous African alone is not enough. indigenous black African should be the watchword ( even though I personally object to the designation black African because it is used as a barrier separation divider tool).
This is being dismissed. I have seen instances were they claim that "pure eurasians/ caucasoids" went to Africa 30-40Kya, and that these ethnic groups you speak of are therefore mixed. The only real/ original people are the congoid bantus. However, these too are actually a mix of San and eurasian, about 12 thousands years ago in West Africa. The Neolithic pottery etc in these regions is then being explained as due to eurasian back migrations. In other words, all the studies being done on Paleolithic, Mesolithic and Neolithic history on these regions is actually the history of these alleged Eurasians/ caucasoids with Neanderthal DNA.
Who believes that in 2015? Well a lot of folks who are eurocentric, and we have seen numerous reports on this.
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This thread is a false debate created by racist idiots and agents of confusion and people influenced by them.
Ancient Egyptians were their own people like Zulu and Ancient Greece people were their own people. This doesn't prevent American and British people, for example, to include Ancient Greece as part of their history.
Ancient Egyptians were indigenous Africans more related to African-Americans, for example, than people in Europe or Middle East.
Unrelated people can share the same skin color, facial features or limb proportion but they can't share the same DNA.
DNA are passed down from parents to child. That's why DNA are used in paternity test, to identify suspects/victims in criminal investigations, by DNA ancestry company or in population genetics.
Since Ramses III and son were E1b1a, it means they had at least one African male parent ancestor.
The current genetic results taken from Ancient Egyptian mummies and other ancient specimen makes it clear Ancient Egyptians were related to modern Africans in sub-Sahara Africa. European lineages (like the I haplogroup) have been found in later foreign dynasties like during the Greek or Roman dynasty so they were probably rare but not absent before those times (Hyksos -foreign rulers- for example were people from the Middle East called Aamu by Ancient Egyptians).
All those things and more are discussed in this other thread: LINKPosts: 2981 | Registered: Jan 2012
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quote: This thread is a false debate created by racist idiots and agents of confusion and people influenced by them.
Amun-ra, another paranoid Egyptsearch nutter, who maintained all along that my e-mail correspondence was fake.
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Very true. I don't buy it for a second. Your correspondance is fake, your character is fake, your beef with sweenet is fake.
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Yeah, some conclusions drawn in some geneticists' reports do seem a tad inventive, no?
Here we have a clue, ... on how far they are willing to go back to claim ancient Egypt.
quote:"The mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) diversity of 58 individuals from Upper Egypt, more than half (34 individuals) from Gurna, whose population has an ancient cultural history, were studied by sequencing the control-region and screening diagnostic RFLP markers. This sedentary population presented similarities to the Ethiopian population by the L1 and L2 macrohaplogroup frequency (20.6%), by the West Eurasian component (defined by haplogroups H to K and T to X) and particularly by a high frequency (17.6%) of haplogroup M1. We statistically and phylogenetically analysed and compared the Gurna population with other Egyptian, Near East and sub-Saharan Africa populations; AMOVA and Minimum Spanning Network analysis showed that the Gurna population was not isolated from neighbouring populations. Our results suggest that the Gurna population has conserved the trace of an ancestral genetic structure from an ancestral East African population, characterized by a high M1 haplogroup frequency The current structure of the Egyptian population may be the result of further influence of neighbouring populations on this ancestral population."
(Stevanovitch A, Gilles A, Bouzaid E, et al. (2004) Mitochondrial DNA sequence diversity in a sedentary population from Egypt.Ann Hum Genet. 68(Pt 1):23-39.)
— S. Thiskoff
quote: EARLY EGYPTIAN AND PHARAONIC HISTORY
Recent genetic studies focusing on mitochondrial DNA suggest that two genetic lineages, the M1 and U6 haplogroups, originated simultaneously in western Asia about 45,000 to 40,000 years ago and spread together with modern humans into northern Africa about 40,000 years ago (Olivieri et al., 2006) following shortly upon a migration out of East Africa that may have occurred as recently as 60,000-50,000 years ago (see also Wells, 2002). These early populations may represent the root-stock of the early settlers/inhabitants of the Eastern Sahara who were subsequently to people the Nile Valley, and build one of the first organized civilized states—the Egyptian pharaonic Empire.
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--Marie-Pierre Aubry, William A. Berggren, Christian Dupuis, Holeil Ghaly, David Ward, Chris King, Robert O. Brian Knox, Khaled Ouda, Moustafa Youssef, Wael Fathy Hassan
PHARAONIC NECROSTRATIGRAPHY: A REVIEW OF GEOLOGICAL AND ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDIES IN THE THEBAN NECROPOLIS, LUXOR, WEST BANK, EGYPT (20008)
quote: "No southwest Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered. U6 and M1 frequencies in North Africa, the Middle East and Europe DO NOT FOLLOW similar patterns, and their sub-clade divisions do not appear to be compatible with their shared history reaching back to the Early Upper Paleolithic."
--Erwan Pennarun, Toomas Kivisild
(2012) Divorcing the Late Upper Palaeolithic demographic histories of mtDNA haplogroups M1 and U6 in Africa
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The academic making the intemperate comments in the second post of this thread is Professor Juan Castillos. Someone I'm in touch with online sent me this hatchet job on Diop:
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^ Carlos Coke giving out his last roar before the inevitable:
C'mon. You have daughters to raise. Set a good example for them instead of ruining your own name with this weird blackmail crusade.
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Before the inevitable what, Brandon Pilcher?
Come on, cartoon boy, before the inevitable what?
How is naming examples of academic bias and bigotry blackmail? Or did you pull that from out of your ass?
Don't think I need your input on how to react when I receive offensive replies from the likes of Castillos...
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I have encountered folks online, who claimed to be academics. And these folks were the most hideous racist one can imagine...
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