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where are the earliest sedentary settlements.in Egypt?
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Depends of which category of sedentism you are referring to. But, if you don't agree with me, you may ask a more explicit question.

The first sedentism happened in South Africa, 50s thousands years ago, when Africans started to domesticate animals for milking to mixed paintings, which they applied on their body and shells.

The second sedentism period, occurred during Upper Paleolithic period 20s thousand of years ago, at the border of Congo and Uganda, when Central African humans started to developed mathematics, by carving numerals in bones." Ishango bone". Of course they developed numerals as an urgency to their needs to organize the number of their herds" livestock".

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Are there any sources linking the Ishango bone to such uses?
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^ please ignore the above two off topic diversions

and notice the first word in this question is "where" not "were"

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where are the earliest sedentary settlements.in Egypt?


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why not bump Tukuler's North African Thread? ...The answer is in like the first 4 posts... There's another thread where U and Djehuti were going at it. It was Made by Oshun, with emphasis on Naqada Iirc... You guys mention the OP topic there as well.
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Here's Nubia's oldest

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affad_23

It was originally estimated at over 70,000 years old.

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quote:
Originally posted by Elmaestro:
why not bump Tukuler's North African Thread? ...The answer is in like the first 4 posts...

He has dozens of threads on North Africa.
So you went to some thread saw the name of the location and wrote the above without even naming it?

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To Oshun

Yes, Ishango bone was analyzed by an archeologist called Ann Hauseur from the Museum of Natural Sciences located in Brussels - Belgium, which has the largest archeological artifacts excavated in the Congo Region. I am posting an old video about it. But, you can find articles about it, on archeological and the Museum of Natural Science of Belgium, as well.

Let me fix a mistake I made referent to the location the Ishango bone was found. It was found in the border of Congo and Rwanda, and not Uganda as I prior wrote.

Actually, I have follow this ancient African people which elaborated Ishango bone, during their paleolithic and Neolithic periods in and out of Africa, by following their linear Art style, which is unique during their period. Soon after they left Congo, they settled in North eastern of Chad, where they made many stone carvings, including the carving called "Beautiful Women". Among Rock carvings they also made absolutely beautiful rock paintings illustrating them with their livestock. Indeed they were sedentarians in the region. Then, next, I found their linear art in the Island of Cyprus, and from Cyprus I found their linear art in Northwest of China region - Mal'ta. All their linear arts I followed are from Paleolithic and Neolithic periods. Sincerely, I think they were the first Humans to inhabited Cyprus Island.

Now...I don't know their names, and whom they were, except for their paintings in Northeastern Chad, which they painting themselves. I must say, that I was amazed in see images of the first people which developed mathematics. Indeed, they were Africans from Subsahara region! In accordance with Mr. Winters they were the Khoisans.

You can see them in this link I am posting from wikipedia which has the picture of their paintings called - Manda Guéli Cave in the Ennedi Mountains, northeastern Chad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saharan_rock_art


The Ishango Bone - 22,000 Year Old Math Calculator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_YkdxdAGX8

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do a separate topic please
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Here you go...
Wadi Kubaniyans (ca. 17,000–15,000 B.C.)
https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/wadi/hd_wadi.htm

ES thread I mentioned...which deserves it's bump if anything.
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=009649

Are you looking specifically for "Egyptian" Sedentism or are you speaking from a cultural or ecological(nile) standpoint?

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quote:
Originally posted by Elmaestro:
Here you go...
Wadi Kubaniyans (ca. 17,000–15,000 B.C.)
https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/wadi/hd_wadi.htm

ES thread I mentioned...which deserves it's bump if anything.
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=009649

Are you looking specifically for "Egyptian" Sedentism or are you speaking from a cultural or ecological(nile) standpoint?

Thanks,
Shockingly I only see one mention of Wadi Kubaniya on Egyptsearch at it's from 2004

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=next_topic;f=8;t=001014;go=newer

History of the Nille Valley: Epipaleolithic Egypt

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Originally posted by ausar:
I will answer it shortly. Kind of busy right know but I definately know the answer to your question. The most important archaeological site that dates off hand is the one at Nabta Playa which was irst inhabited around 10,000 BP and megalithic structures were built there around 6,7000 BP. The site shows a close connection to Badarian culture in pottery and also shows certain rites with cattle that is very similar to the old Kingdom.

The other early Neolithic site in Egypt where the first agritculture is attested is Faiyum. Before this you have possible evidence of domesticated barely of indigenous origin around Wadi Kubinya around 10,000 BP.

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Before the Badarian culture there was the Tasian culture (4500 BC), both settlements took place in Upper Egypt. However what came earlier to the Tasian cultural phrase i don't know. I think the dates are highly exaggerated.

This was once thought that Tasian was older than Badari in Middle Egypt but both are fairly contemporary. Older than Badari and Tasian are Nabta Playa and some sites in the Dakhla Oasis area.


Here are some websites about findings at Wadi Kubaniya and Nabta Playa


Wadi Kubaniya
http://www.antiquityofman.com/wadi_kubbaniya.html

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/wadi/hd_wadi.htm


Some about Nabta Playa
http://www.colorado.edu/PublicRelations/NewsReleases/1998/Oldest_Astronomical_Megalith_A.html

http://www.archaeology.org/online/news/nubia.html
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0005AD53-72E2-1CE1-ADD8809EC588EF21


[This message has been edited by ausar (edited 20 November 2004).]

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Wadi Kubaniya, north of Aswan

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