aspect (n.) late 14c., an astrological term, "relative position of the planets as they appear from earth" (i.e., how they "look at" one another); also "one of the ways of viewing something," from Latin aspectus "a seeing, looking at, sight, view; countenance; appearance," from past participle of aspicere "to look at, look upon, behold; observe, examine," figuratively "consider, ponder," from ad "to" (see ad-) + specere "to look" (from PIE root *spek- "to observe"). Meanings "the look one wears; the appearance of things" are attested by early 15c. Sense of "a facing in a given direction" is from 1660s.
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Aspective view means you are showing the most identifiable parts of the subject. “The depiction of each part provides the maximum information from different angles”
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In order to achieve their careful edition of reality, the Ancient Egyptian artists avoided a single perspective, e.g. a room seen from one corner. Instead, they adopted the most characteristic aspect of each element, building up a composite aspective image: in recent Egyptological writing, the term 'aspective' has been used
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Here is a side view of a face but the eye is in mainly a front view, almond shape
this is how the eys actually looks in side view, not an almond shape, it's like a triangle
^ The color here looks blotchy and faded. Nevertheless Aspective has nothing to do with color. As for the aspective here we have basically a figure in side view. Yet the men's torso and eyes are in front view. At the same time the torso is in the broad front they show a nipple that would be for side view
Here there is no aspective in the torso. The whole body (except for the eyes) is in a natural looking side view, not with the twist to the wide front view for the torso like in other works
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not an art historian so spitballing here. not aspective but stylized in a different way - dark red representing stereotypical more coppery-brown Sudanese-looking Upper Egyptians, as opposed to light yellow representing stereotypical more olive-skinned Maghrebi-looking Lower Egyptians? or in some cases stereotypical Egyptians as opposed to stereotypical Asiatics or Libyans?
but in real life and in more realistic depictions there would be a spectrum of looks and skin tones. and maybe two people the same shade of brown could be depicted one light yellow one dark red depending on context or sex or geographical origin. is that the idea?
what Oshun's been saying about northerners increasing in proportion at expense of southerners per skull-measuring stuff and irrigation of the Nile delta and different amounts of immigration from different directions would then explain why Faiyum mummy portraits and modern Egyptians mostly look like the northern stereotype.
i'm either way behind in this conversation or talking out my ass lol
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Here there is no aspective in the torso. The whole body (except for the eyes) is in a natural looking side view, not with the twist to the wide front view for the torso like in other works
Lioness this is a good catch... When was this picture drawn? It's said that during Akhenatens reign perspective and "realism" were mostly exploited, however not even Armana portraits or reliefs show this level of 2d perspective in AE artwork... This might be transcribed by our first ever Masaccio or Divinci lmao.
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quote:Originally posted by capra: not an art historian so spitballing here. not aspective but stylized in a different way - dark red representing stereotypical more coppery-brown Sudanese-looking Upper Egyptians, as opposed to light yellow representing stereotypical more olive-skinned Maghrebi-looking Lower Egyptians? or in some cases stereotypical Egyptians as opposed to stereotypical Asiatics or Libyans?
but in real life and in more realistic depictions there would be a spectrum of looks and skin tones. and maybe two people the same shade of brown could be depicted one light yellow one dark red depending on context or sex or geographical origin. is that the idea?
what Oshun's been saying about northerners increasing in proportion at expense of southerners per skull-measuring stuff and irrigation of the Nile delta and different amounts of immigration from different directions would then explain why Faiyum mummy portraits and modern Egyptians mostly look like the northern stereotype.
i'm either way behind in this conversation or talking out my ass lol
This tomb dated back to the New Kingdom period. Look at the variation of brown skin being shown. I'm an artist and the use of red brown for medium brown skin is very accurate to how painters today paint accurate African skin tones(I use reddish brown a lot for brown skin). They made sure to paint the variation in their population.
ETA for realistic examples, check these two out.
If I were painting her portrait, I would use burnt sienna( a reddish brown color) for her main skin tone. Her shadows would be burnt sienna mixed with Dark Umber( a very dark brown) and her light areas would be an orange brown.
Compared to this guy. I would use Dark Umber mixed with a little Burnt Sienna for his general skin tone, his shadows get much closer to black versus the girl, and his lights areas are a combination of light blue and grey with a sprinkle of light browns here and there.
Obviously, the Ancient Egyptians did not go to that level of detail in their art as far as shadows and light, but what they do have with the recognition in differences in brown skin, that in itself is impressive. I've seen plenty of cartoonist today who neglect the diversity of black skin tone and go with a standard dark brown.
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Personally I have always interpreted the standard “red” AE skin tone as representing a milk chocolate or dark mahogany color. The jet-black color typically used for Kushites and other Sudanese would probably represent the very dark color we associate with South Sudanese today (even if not all “Nubian” populations were biologically South Sudanese-like in reality). At least that is my interpretation.
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Just judging by art alone, I always imagine Upper Egyptians looking more similar to the Borana where there is a variation with dark and red browns, but more of a gradient between the two. Like so:
While I imagine the Kushites as being more similar to modern Senegal population where there is a lot more concentration of darker brown skin tones with some red browns sprinkled throughout.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: "Aspective " has nothing to do with color
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Etymology:
aspect (n.) late 14c., an astrological term, "relative position of the planets as they appear from earth" (i.e., how they "look at" one another); also "one of the ways of viewing something," from Latin aspectus "a seeing, looking at, sight, view; countenance; appearance," from past participle of aspicere "to look at, look upon, behold; observe, examine," figuratively "consider, ponder," from ad "to" (see ad-) + specere "to look" (from PIE root *spek- "to observe"). Meanings "the look one wears; the appearance of things" are attested by early 15c. Sense of "a facing in a given direction" is from 1660s.
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Aspective view means you are showing the most identifiable parts of the subject. “The depiction of each part provides the maximum information from different angles”
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In order to achieve their careful edition of reality, the Ancient Egyptian artists avoided a single perspective, e.g. a room seen from one corner. Instead, they adopted the most characteristic aspect of each element, building up a composite aspective image: in recent Egyptological writing, the term 'aspective' has been used
We don't actually have the name for what they were doing or know if it even had a name. I'm using aspective as a catch all because the video demonstrates it. I'm suggesting that color was part of the code. I factor the fading.
This dude has faded from darker than, to lighter than the wall color.
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^ The color here looks blotchy and faded. Nevertheless Aspective has nothing to do with color. As for the aspective here we have basically a figure in side view. Yet the men's torso and eyes are in front view. At the same time the torso is in the broad front they show a nipple that would be for side view
The color is consistent. Its the same sun disc color.
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Here there is no aspective in the torso. The whole body (except for the eyes) is in a natural looking side view, not with the twist to the wide front view for the torso like in other works
Arent we still seeing two left hands?
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