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Exactly The people being called “Nubians” are the very people of Ta-Seti. That’s why Egyptologists are trying to claim them as foreigners. They were NEVER apart of Kush. The Kushites were a Cattle-Herding People and described by Herodotus as the tallest in the world which matches The Dinka not The Nubians. This is also why they invented the Myth that The Nubians Migrated during the Roman period. They are trying to give a foreign origin to The Nubians when they’ve been Egyptians this whole time. They were given a right to return. They are Indigenous period.

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The Egyptians called people who call themselves Nubians today Nehesy (nHs)

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The Egyptians called people who call themselves Nubians today Nehesy (nHs)

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The people who call themselves Nubians today were NEVER apart of Nehesy. The Dinka/Nuer are the people of Kush/Nehesy . How can The Nubians of today be The Nehesy when they are Indigenous to Egypt?. So The Egyptians used the term Nehesy to refer to The Cattle-Herding Dinka/Nuer not The Nubians.

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Exactly The people being called “Nubians” are the very people of Ta-Seti. That’s why Egyptologists are trying to claim them as foreigners. They were NEVER apart of Kush. The Kushites were a Cattle-Herding People and described by Herodotus as the tallest in the world which matches The Dinka not The Nubians. This is also why they invented the Myth that The Nubians Migrated during the Roman period. They are trying to give a foreign origin to The Nubians when they’ve been Egyptians this whole time. They were given a right to return. They are Indigenous period.

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I agree, but "The Nubians" never existed prior to the Roman Era. Upper Egypt and Northern Sudan were always populated by various groups of closely related black African populations. There was never a racial separation between these groups in prehistory. The modern people that call themselves "Nubians" are related to these ancient groups but also are distinct from the Arab speaking populations of modern Egypt and Sudan. That is why they maintain a separate identity from both due to historical events since the Roman era. That has nothing to do with the ancient ethnic, linguistic and cultural relationships among people along the Nile in prehistory.

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The Egyptians called people who call themselves Nubians today Nehesy (nHs)

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The people who call themselves Nubians today were NEVER apart of Nehesy. The Dinka/Nuer are the people of Kush/Nehesy . How can The Nubians of today be The Nehesy when they are Indigenous to Egypt?. So The Egyptians used the term Nehesy to refer to The Cattle-Herding Dinka/Nuer not The Nubians.

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No, the Egyptians called Kushites and the people who call themselves Nubian > Nehesy

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The Egyptians called people who call themselves Nubians today Nehesy (nHs)

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The people who call themselves Nubians today were NEVER apart of Nehesy. The Dinka/Nuer are the people of Kush/Nehesy . How can The Nubians of today be The Nehesy when they are Indigenous to Egypt?. So The Egyptians used the term Nehesy to refer to The Cattle-Herding Dinka/Nuer not The Nubians.

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The Egyptians called people who call themselves Nubians today Nehesy (nHs)

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The people who call themselves Nubians today were NEVER apart of Nehesy. The Dinka/Nuer are the people of Kush/Nehesy . How can The Nubians of today be The Nehesy when they are Indigenous to Egypt?. So The Egyptians used the term Nehesy to refer to The Cattle-Herding Dinka/Nuer not The Nubians.

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Dinka and Nuer are Cattle-Herding? I didn't know that.

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The Egyptians called people who call themselves Nubians today Nehesy (nHs)

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The people who call themselves Nubians today were NEVER apart of Nehesy. The Dinka/Nuer are the people of Kush/Nehesy . How can The Nubians of today be The Nehesy when they are Indigenous to Egypt?. So The Egyptians used the term Nehesy to refer to The Cattle-Herding Dinka/Nuer not The Nubians.

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No, the Egyptians called Kushites and the people who call themselves Nubian > Nehesy

What you are not understanding is that much of modern Egypt is populated by people who were the ancient Egyptians who have since mixed with Arabs and Middle Eastern people

what you are trying to do is say anybody who looks "black" to you who lives in Egypt means they are descendants of the ancient Egyptians and anybody who doesn't looks "black" to you isn't

You are trying to racilize based on looking at people and then trying to find justification for doing it by going into the these ancient words and every day you say something different

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So we have this topic called

Nubians are Indigenous to Egypt there is no evidence that they came from Libya

yet there is nobody who can be quoted claiming Nubians came from Libya

It's like if I were to say "There is No Evidence the Nubians came from Japan" and make that a topic

There's an infinite number of places that the Nubians didn't come from

However Sudan is not one of them

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Diocletian never claimed The Nubians Migrated from Libya. He called them that name because they were still the dominant population in the gold(NWB) mining areas.

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Diocletian was likely referring to the Noba or Nobatae people who did migrate from Libya into Nubia. These were the migrants that we refer to! Of course the region of Nubia was already inhabited. But the similarity in names seems to be confusing you.

Nobatae

The kingdom of Nobatia had been founded in the former Meroitic province of Akine, which comprised large parts of Lower Nubia and is speculated to have been autonomous already before the ultimate fall of the Meroitic kingdom in the mid 4th century.[1] While the Nobatae /ˈnɒbəti/ had been invited into the region from the Western Desert by the Roman Emperor Diocletian already in 297 AD, their kingdom becomes tangible only in around 400 AD.[2] Early Nobatia is quite likely the same civilization that is known to archeologists as the Ballana culture. Eventually the Nobatae were successful in defeating the Blemmyes, and an inscription by Silko, "Basiliskos" of the Nobatae, claims to have driven the Blemmyes into the Eastern Desert. Around this time the Nobatian capital was established at Pakhoras (modern Faras); soon after, Nobatia converted to non-Chalcedonian Christianity.

The Nobate and related groups were Nilo-Saharan speakers to displaced if not physically then culturally the Afrasian speakers who were the original ancient Nubians and helped set up the Medieval Christian Kingdoms, which were descendants of the older Meroitic Kush.

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So we have this topic called

Nubians are Indigenous to Egypt there is no evidence that they came from Libya

yet there is nobody who can be quoted claiming Nubians came from Libya

It's like if I were to say "There is No Evidence the Nubians came from Japan" and make that a topic

There's an infinite number of places that the Nubians didn't come from

However Sudan is not one of them

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They originated in Egypt. Nowhere else. This is why they were granted a right to return and recognized by The Egyptian Government. I don’t understand why you keep ignoring these important facts?

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What Government in the history of the world has ever given a foreign people a right to return??????. We have a group of Blacks being given Indigenous status in Egypt and you’re still in doubt????

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Diocletian never claimed The Nubians Migrated from Libya. He called them that name because they were still the dominant population in the gold(NWB) mining areas.

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Diocletian was likely referring to the Noba or Nobatae people who did migrate from Libya into Nubia. These were the migrants that we refer to! Of course the region of Nubia was already inhabited. But the similarity in names seems to be confusing you.

Nobatae

The kingdom of Nobatia had been founded in the former Meroitic province of Akine, which comprised large parts of Lower Nubia and is speculated to have been autonomous already before the ultimate fall of the Meroitic kingdom in the mid 4th century.[1] While the Nobatae /ˈnɒbəti/ had been invited into the region from the Western Desert by the Roman Emperor Diocletian already in 297 AD, their kingdom becomes tangible only in around 400 AD.[2] Early Nobatia is quite likely the same civilization that is known to archeologists as the Ballana culture. Eventually the Nobatae were successful in defeating the Blemmyes, and an inscription by Silko, "Basiliskos" of the Nobatae, claims to have driven the Blemmyes into the Eastern Desert. Around this time the Nobatian capital was established at Pakhoras (modern Faras); soon after, Nobatia converted to non-Chalcedonian Christianity.

The Nobate and related groups were Nilo-Saharan speakers to displaced if not physically then culturally the Afrasian speakers who were the original ancient Nubians and helped set up the Medieval Christian Kingdoms, which were descendants of the older Meroitic Kush.

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^ Because even those Noba people who immigrated into the area during Diocletian Rome did so WAY before the Arab Invasion and modern Republic of Egypt! Therefore they are more indigenous to Egypt than the Arab elites who rule there, that's why!

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I came across information that stated The Nubians migrated from Libya and were given land stretching from North Sudan to Southern Egypt by Roman Emperor Diocletian.

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I came across information that stated The Nubians migrated from Libya and were given land stretching from North Sudan to Southern Egypt by Roman Emperor Diocletian.

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I came across information that stated The Nubians migrated from Libya

http://www.medievalnubia.info/dev/index.php/Procopius_of_Caesarea

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Exactly The people being called “Nubians” are the very people of Ta-Seti. That’s why Egyptologists are trying to claim them as foreigners. They were NEVER apart of Kush. The Kushites were a Cattle-Herding People and described by Herodotus as the tallest in the world which matches The Dinka not The Nubians. This is also why they invented the Myth that The Nubians Migrated during the Roman period. They are trying to give a foreign origin to The Nubians when they’ve been Egyptians this whole time. They were given a right to return. They are Indigenous period.

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I agree, but "The Nubians" never existed prior to the Roman Era. Upper Egypt and Northern Sudan were always populated by various groups of closely related black African populations. There was never a racial separation between these groups in prehistory. The modern people that call themselves "Nubians" are related to these ancient groups but also are distinct from the Arab speaking populations of modern Egypt and Sudan. That is why they maintain a separate identity from both due to historical events since the Roman era. That has nothing to do with the ancient ethnic, linguistic and cultural relationships among people along the Nile in prehistory.

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There are Nubians in Northern Sudan, right across the border of Southern Egypt. I have been there myself. We all know that there was no physical border a few hundred years ago. This of course is a recent phenomenon.

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A Critical Moment for Nubia: the Relocation of thousands from the Nile Basin

More than 50,000 Nubians were resettled in the 1960s when the Aswan High Dam was built. Their ancestral lands were consequently flooded by a new lake, known as Lake Nasser. While some resettled, Nubians continue to work on farms, often as sharecroppers or workers on absentee-owned resettlement farms, many were pushed into Egyptian cities. Today, Nubian men and women alike speak Arabic, as opportunities to work in the cities have grown.

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Historically, the people of Nubia spoke at least two varieties of the Nubian language group, a subfamily that includes Nobiin (the descendant of Old Nubian), Kenuzi-Dongola, Midob and several related varieties in the northern part of the Nuba Mountains in South Kordofan. Until at least 1970, the Birgid language was spoken north of Nyala in Darfur, but is now extinct. However, the linguistic identity of the ancient Kerma Culture of southern and central Nubia (also known as Upper Nubia), is uncertain, with some suggesting that it belonged to the Cushitic branch of Afroasiatic languages,[1][2] and other more recent research indicating that the Kerma culture instead belonged to the Eastern Sudanic branch of Nilo-Saharan languages, and that other peoples of northern (or Lower) Nubia north of Kerma (such as the C-group culture and the Blemmyes) spoke Cushitic languages before the spread of Eastern Sudanic languages from southern (or Upper) Nubia.[3][4][5][6]

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The earliest inhabitants of what is now Sudan can be traced to African peoples who lived in the vicinity of Khartoum in Mesolithic times (Middle Stone Age; 30,000–20,000 bce). They were hunters and gatherers who made pottery and (later) objects of ground sandstone. Toward the end of the Neolithic Period (New Stone Age; 10,000–3,000 bce) they had domesticated animals. These Africans were clearly in contact with predynastic civilizations (before c. 2925 bce) to the north in Egypt, but the arid uplands separating Egypt from Nubia appear to have discouraged the predynastic Egyptians from settling there.

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The reconstruction of the environment and the human population history of the Nile Valley during the Late Pleistocene have received a lot of attention in the literature thus far. There seems to be a consensus that during MIS2 extreme dry conditions prevailed over north-eastern Africa, which was apparently not occupied by humans. The Nile Valley seems to be an exception; numerous field data have been collected suggesting an important population density in Upper Egypt during MIS2. The occupation remains are often stratified in, or at least related to, aeolian and Nile deposits at some elevation above the present-day floodplain. They are rich in lithics and animal bones, mainly fish, illustrating the exploitation of the Nile Valley by the Late Palaeolithic inhabitants. The fluvial processes active during that period have traditionally been interpreted as a continuously rising highly braided river.

In this paper we summarize the evidence thus far available for the Late Pleistocene on the population densities in the Nile Valley, and on the models of Nilotic behaviour. In the discussion we include data on the environmental conditions in Eastern Africa, on the aeolian processes in the Western Desert of Egypt derived from satellite images, 14C and OSL dates, in order to formulate a new model that explains the observed high remnants of aeolian and Nilotic deposits and the related Late Palaeolithic sites. This model hypothesizes that, during the Late Pleistocene, and especially the LGM, dunes from the Western Desert invaded the Nile Valley at several places in Upper Egypt. The much reduced activity of the White Nile and the Blue Nile was unable to evacuate incoming aeolian sand and, as a consequence, several dams were created in the Upper Egyptian Nile Valley. Behind such dams the created lakes offered ideal conditions for human subsistence. This model explains the occurrence of Late Palaeolithic hunter–fisher–gatherers in a very arid environment with very low Nile flows, even in late summer.

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There is no evidence of The Diocletian Invite. That is a myth intended to deny The Nubians their Indigenous Egyptian status.

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In order to be Indigenous to a land. You have to have originated and emerged in that land as a people. This is why they were granted a right to return. If they were truly migrants from Libya then they would’ve never been granted Indigenous status.

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Go talk to The Nubians in Egypt. They don’t claim a Libyan or Sudanese origin. They would be offended by such claims because that denies them their Indigenous roots.

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Since you claim they came from Libya then how come Libya has no Nubian population?. If you’re going to say that they all migrated and left no people behind them that would make them a Nomadic people which they are not. There is no evidence of Nubians migrating because most Non-Nomadic people are not keen on migrations because it is a Nomadic Characteristic. The only place they migrated to is Sudan because it was right next door to them.

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I believe Lioness has made the correction that the Nobatae (again not all Nubians) originated from the Libyan Desert i.e. the western part of Egypt and not necessarily Libya proper, but now that you mention it there IS a group of people in Libya who speak Nilo-Saharan languages related to the modern Nubians and they are called Toubou!

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Their features also bear a resemblance to some many Nubians particularly those of the Kenuzi.

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But these modern "Nubians" are exclusively found around Aswan and Northern Sudan and are not identified with those living further South around Meroe, Kerma or Khartoum. Those ancient cultures are distinct and the modern peoples living in these areas are not identified as 'Nubians'. Much further South you also have the Noba people (famous for their wrestling) and the other tribes that make up what is now South Sudan. All of these people are not "Nubian", yet Egyptologists lump all these groups together in history as one population. […]

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I believe Lioness has made the correction that the Nobatae (again not all Nubians) originated from the Libyan Desert i.e. the western part of Egypt and not necessarily Libya proper,

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There is a good entry on Noba here

https://books.google.com/books?id=jF2jq5JrkS4C&pg=RA1-PA285&dq=Noba+people&hl=en&

Historical Dictionary of Ancient and Medieval Nubia
By Richard A. Lobban

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Nobatia

Nobatia /noʊˈbeɪʃə/ or Nobadia (/noʊˈbeɪdiə/; Greek: Νοβαδία, Nobadia; Old Nubian: ⲙⲓⲅⲓⲧⲛ︦ ⲅⲟⲩⲗ, Migitin Goul) was a late antique kingdom in Lower Nubia. Together with the two other Nubian kingdoms, Makuria and Alodia, it succeeded the kingdom of Kush. After its establishment in around 400, Nobadia gradually expanded by defeating the Blemmyes in the north and incorporating the territory between the second and third Nile cataract in the south. In 543, it converted to Coptic Christianity.

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wikipedia uses the spelling "Nuba" to refer to Noba

wikipedia:

Nuba peoples (Noba)

The Nuba peoples are various indigenous ethnic groups who inhabit the Nuba Mountains of South Kordofan state in Sudan, encompassing multiple distinct peoples that speak different languages which belong to at least two unrelated language families. Estimates of the Nuba population vary widely; the Sudanese government estimated that they numbered 1.07 million in 2003.[1]

The term should not be confused with the Nubians, an ethnic group speaking the Nubian languages, although the Hill Nubians, who live in the Nuba Mountains, are also considered part of the Nuba geographic grouping of peoples.

Hill Nubians are a group of Nubian peoples who inhabit the northern Nuba Mountains in South Kordofan state, Sudan. They speak the Hill Nubian languages. Despite their scattered presence and linguistic diversity, they all refer to themselves as Ajang and call their language Ajangwe, "the Ajang language".

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Canadian linguist Robin Thelwall believes that the Hill Nubians probably didn't migrate to the Nuba Mountains from Nubia, considering their linguistic divergence, and instead probably reached the Nuba Mountains from central Kordofan during the earliest Nubian migrations. Joseph Greenberg believes that any split between Hill and Nile Nubian must have occurred at least 2,500 years before present.[

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Historical Dictionary of Ancient and Medieval Nubia also talks about the confusing history of some of these terms.
So if the word Nubia derives from the 4th cent Noba people via the Latin word Nobatae.
If I am not mistaken that means the contemporary Noba (Nuba) people are not the same Noba people
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Their features also bear a resemblance to some many Nubians particularly those of the Kenuzi.

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The Nubians coming from Libya makes more sense now because they speak a Nilo-Saharan Language like The Toubou People who inhabit Libya. That's why The Nubians phenotypically and culturally resemble them more.

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But these modern "Nubians" are exclusively found around Aswan and Northern Sudan and are not identified with those living further South around Meroe, Kerma or Khartoum. Those ancient cultures are distinct and the modern peoples living in these areas are not identified as 'Nubians'. Much further South you also have the Noba people (famous for their wrestling) and the other tribes that make up what is now South Sudan. All of these people are not "Nubian", yet Egyptologists lump all these groups together in history as one population. […]

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now that you mention it there IS a group of people in Libya who speak Nilo-Saharan languages related to the modern Nubians and they are called Toubou!

Their territory is shown below:



Their features also bear a resemblance to some many Nubians particularly those of the Kenuzi.

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The Nubians coming from Libya makes more sense now because they speak a Nilo-Saharan Language like The Toubou People who inhabit Libya. That's why The Nubians phenotypically and culturally resemble them more.

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But these modern "Nubians" are exclusively found around Aswan and Northern Sudan and are not identified with those living further South around Meroe, Kerma or Khartoum. Those ancient cultures are distinct and the modern peoples living in these areas are not identified as 'Nubians'. Much further South you also have the Noba people (famous for their wrestling) and the other tribes that make up what is now South Sudan. All of these people are not "Nubian", yet Egyptologists lump all these groups together in history as one population. […]

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@ Djehuti Yes I can see the resemblance between The Nubians and The Toubou but that doesn’t change the fact that The Nubian homeland is in Egypt. There’s no evidence that The Nubians originate from The Toubou. The only evidence we have of a relation is through their Nilo-Saharan classification.

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@ Djehuti Yes I can see the resemblance between The Nubians and The Toubou but that doesn’t change the fact that The Nubian homeland is in Egypt. There’s no evidence that The Nubians originate from The Toubou. The only evidence we have of a relation is through their Nilo-Saharan classification.

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Ok I can agree that they may have absorbed some Western Desert immigrants and adopted a Nilo-Saharan language. But The Nubians remained the Indigenous Egyptians they are and were not mixed or bred out by any immigrants. So the Western immigrants they absorbed were obviously small in number if today's Nubians are still considered Indigenous. They didn't get their name from those Western immigrants. They got their name from Nubt which is located in The Aswan Governate that they've been living in since Pre-Dynastic times.

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The oldest record of the term Nubian derives from The Southern Egyptian City of Nubt. This predates The Greco-Roman use of Nubian by thousands and thousands of years. BTW if you're telling me that The Baladi are true Egyptians then why are most Baladi people not Black?. It is you who wants to deny The Nubians their true Indigenous Egyptian Heritage.

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Originally posted by SMirk92:
I have read his book Black Athena but I think the title is misleading. I do agree that Egypt had an Influence on Greece but the title is what caused controversy. The AE never recorded Sesostris conquest of Athens. It was a myth invented by Herodotus to create an narrative of an Evil Pharaoh which was the inspiration for Religious Myths(Think of The Exodus). Though he has some good information his book was heavily centered around this Myth that The AE never recorded.

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The Colossi of Memnon (Arabic: el-Colossat or es-Salamat) are two massive stone statues of the Pharaoh Amenhotep III, who reigned in Egypt during the Dynasty XVIII. Since 1350 BCE, they have stood in the Theban Necropolis, located west of the River Nile from the modern city of Luxor.

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