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Came across this image of a so-called "Negroid" Osiris, it would seem the drawn image's origin is from a woodcut by the British Egyptologist John Gardner Wilkinson during his travels in Egypt. It is also referenced in one of Budge's works as well, looking at the citations of Budge the ultimate source may be in the ruins of Abydos. Anyone have any other information?

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It's in

SECOND SERIES The Manners and Customs of the Ancient Egyptians

by Wilkinson, John Gardner, Sir,

https://ia-petabox.archive.org/details/bub_gb_Pva2PqEyWcQC/page/n19/mode/2up

A Second Series of the Manners and Customs of the Ancient Egyptians Including Their Religion, Agriculture, &c., Derived from a Comparison of the Paintings, Sculptures, and Monuments Still Existing, with the Accounts of Ancient Authors by Sir J. Gardner Wilkinson Supplement index and plates

Publication date 1841
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^^ This is all illustrations, it's a supplement to his famous book which also has illustrations

The Manners and Customs of the ancient Egyptians Vol 1
by Wilkinson, John Gardner, Sir, 1797-1875; Birch, Samuel, 1813-1885, ed

https://archive.org/details/mannerscustomsof01wilk/page/198/mode/2up?q=negro


I searched for the word "Negroid" in each of these and don't see the word used in any

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Thank you, Lioness

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https://archive.org/details/mannerscustomsof01wilk/page/42/mode/2up?q=negro

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Lioness it also appears in the third volume, as plate XXV, Wilkinson's footnotes cites it as having a "peculiar" face not a negroid one:

https://archive.org/details/mannersandcusto07wilkgoog/mode/1up

In the works The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop and the Worship of the Dead by John Garnier it is referred to and cited explicitly as having negro features

https://books.google.com/books?id=jYkE1F8H1TAC&pg=PA40&dq=the+worship+of+the+dead+negro+osiris&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjjw56axoPvAhVPF VkFHaVFChoQ6AEwAHoECAQQAw

https://levendwater.org/books/hislop/sect222.htm

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quote:
Originally posted by Punos_Rey:
Lioness it also appears in the third volume, as plate XXV, Wilkinson's footnotes cites it as having a "peculiar" face not a negroid one:

https://archive.org/details/mannersandcusto07wilkgoog/mode/1up

In the works The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop and the Worship of the Dead by John Garnier it is referred to and cited explicitly as having negro features

https://books.google.com/books?id=jYkE1F8H1TAC&pg=PA40&dq=the+worship+of+the+dead+negro+osiris&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjjw56axoPvAhVPF VkFHaVFChoQ6AEwAHoECAQQAw

https://levendwater.org/books/hislop/sect222.htm

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It's anybody's guess as to what the odd looking features on Osiris depict

I wonder if the original is pictured somewhere

A 2D front view like this instead of a side view is very rare

It should be looked at in context of other depictions of Osiris

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Osiris, god of the afterlife, the underworld, and the dead. Detail of a wall painting from the Tomb of Horemheb (KV57). New Kingdom, 18th Dynasty, ca. 1306-1292 BC. Valley of the Kings, West Thebes. Egypt Museum

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Remembered this Greco-Roman(?) period one from an old lost pamphlet.

An actual cult item itself once used by a devotee of the
'One Who Judges All Dead Souls in the Afterlife'.

A NEGROID

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Is this 18th Dynasty one's nose and upper lip too
angular to classify the overall face as negro(id)?

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The particular aspect of the rightmost Osiris img's
crown in Wilkinson may be of as much interest as
the one-off looking face and head wearing it and
the trans-dimorphic garment.

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looks more like a frog

the garment pattern also looks unusual

Also would like to see another image with that same triple level crown

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It looks like a mask

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Yoruba artist, Nigeria, egungun erin Fayo. Photo by Norma Wolff.

https://africa.uima.uiowa.edu/chapters/arts-of-healing/?start=3

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https://www.academia.edu/5701214/Tam%C3%A1s_A_B%C3%A1cs_and_Richard_Parkinson_Wall_paintings_from_the_tomb_of_Kynebu_at_Luxor?fbclid=IwAR2x_TzQAl4BDBWS6M5VKYaHu0zIONBTPOO_PbXGnSxSa krDyy4EpZzhb40

One of my Egyptologist friends sent me this when I asked her about it. It would seem this is the original location of it

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quote:
Other drawings byHay make it clear that the figure of Osiris in the BritishMuseum (EA 37995) was taken from a separate scenewhich showed Kynebu worshipping Osiris and anotherpersonified
djed
-pillar (BL Add MSS 29822 f.118-19).Immediately below the
djed
-pillar in the new fragmentsthere is a scene of a weeping man, tending to a boothof funerary offerings. Hay wrote that under the scene ofAmenhotep and Ahmose Nefertari, ‘in the lower line wefind the funeral procession … a line of men are standing before altars of offerings and holding vases in their hands’. He drew two copies of a group of mourners includinga weeping man (BL Add MSS 29822 f.129-30), but it isclear from details of the hieroglyphs in these drawingsthat this is not the same figure as in the new fragments.These fragments perhaps belong to the right of Hay’sweeping man.The fragments found at Luxor in TT 65 are br

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African arts are often used to honor, imitate, or call upon supernatural beings, to bridge the gap between the human and spirit worlds, and to help bring about cosmological balance and well-being. Among the Yoruba peoples, egungun masquerades honor important ancestors and engage their continued participation in the affairs of the living. Packets of medicine, often attached to the masks or incorporated into the costumes, provide both protection and ase (vital force) to the dancer and his performance
This Osiris is not "negroid" its a mask a funerary mask to communicate with the departed... so it's African culture for sure and has parallels among the Yoruba

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The copy of the whole scene by Robert Hay (BL Add MSS 29822, folio 117). Photograph © the British Library EGYPTIAN ARCHAEOLOGY 42
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So, that B&W was a pastiche which accompanying hieroglyphics is a fraud? It's a Personified Djed Pillar.
What's between top of "head" and base of ram's horn is the top portion of a djed pillar. Where is BL Add
MSS 29822 f.118-19 which shows both Osiris and his "spinal column" receiving adoration the same way as above?

Other crown elements still bear looking into,
also possibility eyes and lips so depicted are
art that is writing.

In the truncated B&W it was impossible to tell
what looked like clothing was an upright adorned
with ribbons flowing down (May pole precursor?).

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Personified djed like the OP but no ribbons, head, nor 3 tiers.

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A scene from the Hall of Osiris at Abydos which shows the raising of djed pillars, symbols of stability.

https://www.ancient.eu/image/4573/djed-pillars-hall-of-osiris-abydos/

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An relief from the tomb of Hatshepsut's mortuary temple at Deir el-Bahr showing an ankh (symbol of life), djed (symbol of stability), and was (symbol of power)

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Osiris-Djed crowned with the two horns of the Ram

https://www.pyramidofman.com/djed/


The Backbone of Osiris:
Chapter 155 of the Book of the Dead associates the Djed with the backbone and vertebrae of Osiris. Budge states that the oldest form of his spinal column was probably represented by part of the back bone with portions of the ribs attached to it. He suggests that as time went on it was drawn on a stand with a broadened base to form what we see as the Djed.

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Wall-paintings from thetomb of Kynebu at Luxor

The tomb, just north of the tombs of Menna and Nakht,is now inaccessible, having been destroyed in part by thefall of a large boulder, but Hay’s superb drawings remaina major source for its original decoration.


Coming from such a dubious context, the recoveredfragments were then assembled into a scene of a personified
djed
-pillar, dressed as Osiris, and an adjoining one showinga weeping man. More significantly, however, on closerinspection the
djed
-pillar scene revealed the figural style,palette, and draftsmanship of Amenhotep, the well-knownchief draughtsman of Deir el-Medina, who occupied thatpost from Year 2 of Ramesses IV until nearly the endof Ramesses IX’s reign. Amenhotep is not only firmlyassociated by inscriptions with the decoration of Imiseba’stomb-chapel (TT 65, see
EA
21, pp.21-24), but also byhis undeniable governing artistic presence there as well.However, two aspects of the fragments argued that theydid not belong to the original decoration of TT 65: theirmud-plaster base and the grey background colour of thescenes. Noting these features and the fact that Amenhotephad been associated with the decoration of at least oneother private tomb-chapel, that of Kynebu, Tamás Bácsasked Richard Parkinson to check the unpublished Haydrawings of this tomb-chapel against photographs of thenew scene

Other drawings byHay make it clear that the figure of Osiris in the BritishMuseum (EA 37995) was taken from a separate scenewhich showed Kynebu worshipping Osiris and anotherpersonified
djed
-pillar (BL Add MSS 29822 f.118-19).

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Cauc version

http://www.joanannlansberry.com/journal/arch2014/tl140411.html

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quote:
Originally posted by Punos_Rey:
https://www.academia.edu/5701214/Tam%C3%A1s_A_B%C3%A1cs_and_Richard_Parkinson_Wall_paintings_from_the_tomb_of_Kynebu_at_Luxor?fbclid=IwAR2x_TzQAl4BDBWS6M5VKYaHu0zIONBTPOO_PbXGnSxSa krDyy4EpZzhb40

One of my Egyptologist friends sent me this when I asked her about it. It would seem this is the original location of it

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Osiris Djed
below is EA 37995 Tomb of Kynebu (Thebes) mentioned in the text

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British Museum EA 37995


Rectangular fragment of a polychrome tomb-painting representing Osiris, standing and holding the crook and flail, with lotus flower, surmounted by the four sons of Horus, before.

This tomb is now largely destroyed; this register is shown intact in a drawing of Robert Hay (BL Addmss 29822 folio 117): the tomb-owner offers to Osiris (the Hay mss suggest that this figure belongs to a different scene from the figures of Amenhotep I and Ahmose Nefertari); behind Osiris is a Djed pillar in costume.
Published; J-P. Corteggiani and N. Cherpion, La tombe d'Inherkhaouy (TT 359) a Deir el-Medina (MIFAO128, 2010), 158, pl. 148.

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notice Crook and flail variation as per each being on the left or right
and garment patterns

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Osiris as a djed pillar holding an
was sceptre in each hand and with
an ankh on each wrist, Tomb of Nefertari (wall painting)Egypt, Thebes, Luxor,

Bild ID: 603682 · Valley of the Queens, Thebes, Egypt / bridgemanimages.com

https://tinyurl.com/amxjpd2a


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https://tomb-khaemwaset-gaspard.info/tomb/gate-g2-of-the-tomb/

source:

tomb of Prince Khaemwaset

https://tomb-khaemwaset-gaspard.info

direct page source

https://tomb-khaemwaset-gaspard.info/tomb/gate-g2-of-the-tomb/

(195)

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https://www.osirisnet.net/tombes/nobles/neferrenpet178/e_nfrrnpt_01.htm

see page 5

note: this version has the same pillar-crown head, same type of crown
with human arms
but no face. I wonder if the original one of which the illustration in the OP based on Robert Hay's illustration
ever had eyes and mouth on it ??

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The only non-hand drawn djed with eyes I could find

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found via padiamun img search
DOI: https://doi.org/10.1017/CBO9781107256576.005


I have no actual info on either but assume vetted by Cambridge.
These differ from OP in that the top tier holds the eyes, no 'face'.
This is Padiamun's 25th Dyn sarcophagus for sure.

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https://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/artifact/coffin-trough-of-padiamun


Mr. Jacquel musta lived large off da Six-Feet-Under accessories kuh-chang, huh?


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Is the one on the right from a Rosellini (whoever) book?

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based on painting at Seti I tomb, watercolor illustration by Giovanni Battista Belzoni b. 1778


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