I would encourage you to study the written language and how to properly transliterate the graphemes. The seated man and woman and the three strokes are not pronounced. So you don't say km.wt. And this would apply to rmT as as well. There is no, rmT.jw as rmT "people; personnel" [Wb 2, 422.13-423.18] is already plural. It is a by-form of the word rmT.t which a collective. That is the role of the three strokes classifier in this case. The three strokes classifier is often accompanied by the -t or -w suffix in the primary word.
So you have to learn how to read classifiers and what the role of the classier is. There is a grammar to the classifiers. This is discussed in the upcoming journal article. And if you want to know how to properly read and decipher rmT, I highly encourage you to read the Introduction of Aaluja Vol. II (2020) as it is discussed there.
quote: Originally posted by Tukuler:
rmtyw n KMt:niwt shows rmt alone doesn't always denote Egyptian though ethnocentric rmt rmtyw does.
KMt rmtyw is peculiar to Egyptians though an occasional use may include Nehesi under the KMt:niwt umbrella.
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quote: Originally posted by Asar Imhotep:
The Egyptians never referred to themselves as Km.tyw. This term was only reserved for those who lived in the city Km.t-Wr.t "Athribis."
So what was the name the Egyptians used to refer to themselves as a people or ethnos??
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@Asar, so the above image with the hand written script, that's The Worterbuch by Erman and Grapow, So that glyph in the lower right hand corner of p 127 is their modern transliteration into glyphs from hieratic script on papyrus?
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@Asar, so the above image with the hand written script, that's The Worterbuch by Erman and Grapow, So that glyph in the lower right hand corner of p 127 is their modern transliteration into glyphs from hieratic script on papyrus?
You're looking at it. It is simply Km.t. Again, I have a full discussion on this glyph, it's usage, and possible interpretation based on the grammar. I would encourage you to also take a basic course in hieroglyphs so you can learn how to read and transliterate the glyphs. I recommend the following:
Now, when you go to page 3 of the text you can see it better. Here is the hieroglyphic form:
How here it is in the hieratic script:
Now, I have taken the time to box in red where you can find the word Km.t in the hieratic. You see it there twice. But I also highlighted, in BLUE, the seated man and woman classifiers that you see behind the hieratic form of the I6 glyph with the X1 [ t ] glyph right under it.
I hope this helps.
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@Asar I notice if we look at niwt O49 on the actual walls it would be easy enough to have two thick lines intersecting one another but on the wall here, and I've seen it before, this is kind of flaring in parts, jagged looking. It would be very sloppy if it is intended as two roads or waterways bisecting one another
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A full chapter (Chapter 2) is dedicated to this discussion in my text.
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@Asar I notice if we look at niwt O49 on the actual walls it would be easy enough to have two thick lines intersecting one another but on the wall here, and I've seen it before, this is kind of flaring in parts, jagged looking. It would be very sloppy if it is intended as two roads or waterways bisecting one another
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Tukuler made a very interesting point with that post about rmtyw n Kmt-niwt vs. rt n rmt. There were various people included under the umbrella of Kmt-niwt who were not ethnically 'Egyptian'. In the same way that in ancient Greece, not everyone labeled 'Hellene' (Greek) was necessarily ethnic Hellene. Asar, what do you make of the ethnic origins of the Egyptians I believe the original Kmtyu identity originated with the Shemawy (Upper Egyptians) however I believe that they possess a dual ancestry-- Anu and Mesenitu according to their recorded legends.
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which a collective. That is the role of the three strokes classifier in this case. The three strokes classifier is often accompanied by the -t or -w suffix in the primary word.![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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