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Been awhile since I've been here, and I keep runnin into the same line bout black men naturally bein violent and more likely to rape than white men due to testoerone and some sh!t. I dont really think white men are that much less violent in "nature". I've seen lots of resources and I collected here/all over through the years. Sadly I've lost most of my stuff when my flash got stolen. And before you post, if you cant give me anything without complaining about my asking or how I need to do this and that just dont bother postin thanks.
So anyone got some info stuff on this?
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Oshun long time no see. Faheem the USA Police system and Judicial system are very racist.The police target black people and black neighborhood the most.The Judicial system will send a black person to prison for 10 years for possession of a few gram of cocaine and turn around and send a white person to probation and rehab for the same offence.Bonampak uploaded a youtube video were a black DEA agent stated they only target black neighborhood instead of white neighborhood because white people are connected and can retaliate against them.
Not all African American male are angel some black male are criminal, violent, dangerous, rude, nasty and stupid and deserved to be incarcereted.The problem with the majority of African American criminal is they do dumb and violent crime like drug dealing or arm robbery.In those kind of crime the police can catch criminal easily.The majority of African American dont do smart and invisible crime like hacking, counterfeiting, identity theft, complicated fraud, Gem smuggling, 419 scam, escort services and others.Those criminal are hard to catch and hard to prosecute.
Oshun you should make at least 3 copies of your files one in hard drive other in SD card and flash drive.It cost me to much money and time to printed and scaned my pictures and documents files I cant afford to lose them if my computer crash or somebody steal my flash drive.
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quote:Originally posted by Oshun: [QB] Been awhile since I've been here, and I keep runnin into the same line bout black men naturally bein violent and more likely to rape than white men due to testoerone and some sh!t.
where have you been running into this? I have not been running into this. This seems like something you have to go out of your way to find. Do you have recent articles from mainstream newspapers saying blacks are more violent? -or do you just want Faheem (aka Anglo_P) to come out to play with you?
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i dont deny that the criminal system is racist and iirc blacks are mostly in for NON VIOLENT drug offenses (i lost my source for this tho anybody have 1). Course white measures of assault, armed robbery, rape etc implicate blacks for violence more than whites which is what i wanna get into. Do you think there's anything in methodology or that whites do things that are violent but they dont consider them crimes?
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quote:Originally posted by mena7: Oshun long time no see. Faheem the USA Police system and Judicial system are very racist.The police target black people and black neighborhood the most.The Judicial system will send a black person to prison for 10 years for possession of a few gram of cocaine and turn around and send a white person to probation and rehab for the same offence.Bonampak uploaded a youtube video were a black DEA agent stated they only target black neighborhood instead of white neighborhood because white people are connected and can retaliate against them.
Not all African American male are angel some black male are criminal, violent, dangerous, rude, nasty and stupid and deserved to be incarcereted.The problem with the majority of African American criminal is they do dumb and violent crime like drug dealing or arm robbery.In those kind of crime the police can catch criminal easily.The majority of African American dont do smart and invisible crime like hacking, counterfeiting, identity theft, complicated fraud, Gem smuggling, 419 scam, escort services and others.Those criminal are hard to catch and hard to prosecute.
Oshun you should make at least 3 copies of your files one in hard drive other in SD card and flash drive.It cost me to much money and time to printed and scaned my pictures and documents files I cant afford to lose them if my computer crash or somebody steal my flash drive.
Yea I'm hella pissed. Almost all my sh!t is gone. I dunno if I have the room to print out too much but yea maybe the most important stuff.
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quote:Originally posted by Oshun: [QB] Been awhile since I've been here, and I keep runnin into the same line bout black men naturally bein violent and more likely to rape than white men due to testoerone and some sh!t.
where have you been running into this? I have not been running into this. This seems like something you have to go out of your way to find. Do you have recent articles from mainstream newspapers saying blacks are more viokent? -or do you just want Faheem (aka Anglo_P) to come out to play with you?
You don't gotta see it in mainstream news. The news has already given white ppl the sources they need to chase their racist views for years. All they gotta do now is watch the same stats from the same sources get updated each year. I'm talkin about actual DISCUSSION with people who think black males truly are by nature more prone to being violent.I'm not askin for Cassi or other trolls and plz dont try to subtly invite that kinda drama.
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: [QB] You realize that majority of the incarceration rate in America is die to the War on Drugs and the Private Prison Industry.
Jari can you give me some links here or PM on that? thanks
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quote:Originally posted by Oshun: You don't gotta see it in mainstream news. The news has already given white ppl the sources they need to chase their racist views for years. All they gotta do now is watch the same stats from the same sources get updated each year. I'm talkin about actual DISCUSSION with people who think black males truly are by nature more prone to being violent.I'm not askin for Cassi or other trolls and plz dont try to subtly invite that kinda drama.
the news uses crime stats published by the FBI each year and local police. When a crime is commited they record what the crime was and who did it, male, female, ethnicity etc.
You have a problem with these stats? You are not making a case. You are bitching and have put up no evidence of media stories you have a problem with. That's lazy and unconvincing. In fact the major media has been focused on mass murders perpetrated by white people and this white athleate who killed his girlfriend.
Incarcertaion rates are a separate issue. If someone is convicted on drug charges it may have no violence associated with it. Violent crime are such things as Murder and assault.
Look at Chicago for example.There, Black citizens of Chicago do more violent crime than white citizens of Chicago. That is statistical fact, easily proven. It is accepted fact by Minister farrakhan and others.
People might dispute the reason for it. That is the real issue, not that these violent crimes occured, Some might argue that blacks in such areas are more violent against each other due to racist unfair conditions we are forced to live in. Others may have different explanations. However I don't know what the situation is in Britain
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wtf are you talkin about? There has to be a high profile case black-on white for people to talk about thinking blacks are naturally violent on/offline? WTF is wrong with asking for STATS and opinions of ppl here (not trolls). My question to ppl here (not you and trolls like Cassi) was do these violent crimes "prove" blacks as a race to naturally be more violent or is there more to the story which I suspect there is from my readings. So look go away if all your gonna do is b!tch about people who want schoolin. I SPECIFICALLY SAID not to come here with that.
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quote:Originally posted by Oshun: My question was do these violent crimes "prove" blacks as a race to naturally be more violent or is there more to the story which I suspect there is from my readings.
I answered this, it could be attributed to social conditions.
Some people ay whites are more violent because they do more mass killings, ramage shootings, world wars, etc
As far as violent cities goes worldwide many are currently in latin America where recently the drug trade has exploded
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Oshun, i'm not sure why you are calling me and others trolls when you are the biggest troll on this forum. Of your 1000 or so posts, over 500 were directed at posting libel against me, including fake accounts, emails etc.
And this is just another of your troll threads. You ask a question, and then when someone posts evidence - you reject it. Precisely the same for all those nappy hair threads you made.
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"Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
When Blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-Blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the White rate.
The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is Black and Hispanic.
Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving Blacks and Whites, Blacks commit 85 percent and Whites commit 15 percent.
Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are Black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When Whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are Black.
Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a White than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.
Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white. Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.
Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.
Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than Whites. Hispanics are three times more likely."
SOURCE: The Color of Crime (2005, second expanded edition) by the New Century Foundation.
quote: And this is just another of your troll threads. You ask a question, and then when someone posts evidence - you reject it. Precisely the same for all those nappy hair threads you made.
Obviously missed where I said I'd lost my resources, a few of them even went on about that sh!tty resource of yours--the color of crime (which you racists love so much).
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A thread I did on the subject a while back, no statistics but you should be able to easily find them online, its well know.
quote:Originally posted by Oshun:
quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: [QB] You realize that majority of the incarceration rate in America is die to the War on Drugs and the Private Prison Industry.
Jari can you give me some links here or PM on that? thanks
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Lioness on my first post click the video and watch its an old TYT interview and it explains many things relavant to this subject. The fact is that the War on Drugs and the Private Prison Industry is the main factor in the incarceration rates of Minorities.
Also I responding to a poster who posted the Prison stats of AA men, and Oshun wanted some info on my comments.
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Working to End Racial Profiling: ACLU to Testify Before Senate Judiciary
quote: Every year, thousands of people are stopped by law enforcement while driving, flying or even walking simply because of their actual or perceived race, ethnicity, national origin, immigration or citizenship status or religion. They are not stopped because they have committed a crime, but because law enforcement authorities wrongly assume that they are more likely to be involved in criminal activity because of the way they look.
This practice, known as racial profiling, is based on crass stereotypes and assumptions, instead of facts, evidence and good solid police work. Despite claims that we have entered a "post-racial" era, racial profiling remains a troubling nationwide problem.
The practice of racial profiling has existed, in various forms, throughout our country's history. More than a century ago, Black men and women traveling through predominantly white neighborhoods were stopped and questioned for no reason — simply because police officers felt they didn't belong there.
In recent years, racial profiling has extended to new targets. As terrorism has become a subject of intense concern, American citizens and legal residents of Arab and South Asian descent have been spied upon, stopped, questioned, arbitrarily detained and subjected to unfair police scrutiny.
And today, Latino immigrants — or rather those perceived to be immigrants — are facing this discrimination on an unprecedented scale. As "show me your papers," anti-immigrant laws pop up in states across the country, Latinos, Asians and other people of color are being subjected to increased police harassment based on racial stereotypes.
Political leaders of both parties have vowed to put an end to racial profiling. In February 2001, President George W. Bush, promised to end racial profiling in America.
"In so doing," he said, "we will not hinder the work of our nation's brave police officers. They protect us every day — often at great risk. But by stopping the abuses of a few, we will add to the public confidence our police officers earn and deserve."
President Barack Obama, in response to the arrest of Harvard Professor Henry Louis Gates, said:
quote:[T]here's a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately. That's just a fact…And even when there are honest misunderstandings, the fact that blacks and Hispanics are picked up more frequently and often time for no cause casts suspicion even when there is good cause. And that's why I think the more that we're working with local law enforcement to improve policing techniques so that we're eliminating potential bias, the safer everybody is going to be.
quote:Unfortunately, these promises have yet to result in practice. In recent weeks, we've seen this first hand, as our country debates the role race played in the death of Trayvon Martin and the subsequent police action. Next week, profiling will take center stage again, as the U.S. Supreme Court hears oral arguments in in Arizona v. U.S., the case that will examine the constitutionality of Arizona's anti-immigrant, racial profiling law.
In light of these events, I am hopeful that Americans of all racial and ethnic backgrounds and political persuasions will work together to end racial profiling. Tomorrow, I will testify before the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee in the Senate's first hearing on racial profiling in more than a decade. The ACLU will urge Congress to pass the End Racial Profiling Act, which would ban the use of racial profiling and provide training to help police avoid responses based on stereotypes and unreliable assumptions about racial minorities.
In addition, Congress should defund and end those immigration enforcement initiatives that foster racial profiling, including the 287(g) and Secure Communities programs. Finally, Congress should urge the administration to strengthen the Department of Justice Guidance Regarding the Use of Race by Federal Law Enforcement Agencies to address profiling by religion and national origin, close loopholes for the border and national security, make the guidance enforceable and compel the DOJ Inspector General to investigate FBI Privacy Act violations in retaining records on First Amendment protected activity.
Already, too many people have been victimized by racial profiling. They include not just those who are harassed or detained, but those who fear being harassed or detained and restrict their activities as a consequence of that fear. Racial profiling hurts and humiliates these individuals, and does irreparable damage to the relationships between law enforcement and the community.
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By following the ACLU's recommendations, Congress can help law enforcement to direct its resources where they are truly necessary, ensure that our communities are safe, and reaffirm the core principles of the Constitution.
This is the first of eight blogs in the series "I Am Not a Stereotype: End Racial Profiling Now," on ACLU's Blog of Rights.
Racial Profiling Blacks and Whites experience the world differently.
Racial Profiling
By contrast, Stuyvesant High School, one the country’s elite public schools, is 96% Asian and white and is in a low crime area. So I would also be free of police harassment there. The profile I fit is as described by a current Stuyvesantian, Benedict Bolton, who said “We’re a bunch of, to be honest, skinny white kids.”
Complicating the matter, though, is that in Brownsville there is a lot of crime, a lot of African-Americans and Hispanics. Around Stuyvesant there isn’t much crime and there aren’t many African-Americans.
Is this a problem? One argument is that there is nothing wrong with this racial disparity in stops and frisks. Cops stop kids who look like trouble in a crime-riddled community, defenders say. While it is undoubtedly profiling, it is justifiable profiling, the argument continues, based in a reality.
Black students see the matter differently. This is from the WNYC report:
Tyari Jenkins, a 14-year-old African-American student at Teachers Preparatory High School, said he has been stopped and frisked three times." The first time was as a 12-year-old, when he was barely five feet tall, he said. He had been walking out of his home to his friend’s house across the street.
“ When I looked up, I see the cop. He was like, 'You,' and I was like, 'Me?”' He said, ‘Yeah,’ ” Tyari recalled. “ ‘He said, 'Empty your book bag,' and I was like, 'Okay,' and I was taking my time. Then he said, 'You need to hurry up.' And he started emptying my book bag and dropped my stuff on the ground."
The officers asked for an ID. Tyari said he left his at home, so the officers hauled him back home across the street and asked his mother to identify him. After a few minutes, they left.
Tyari said he’s never been arrested for anything. Neither have any of the other Brownsville kids who shared their stories. They are now 14 years old, and all of them have been stopped by police between two and seven times. http://www.wnyc.org/articles/wnyc-news/2012/may/29/city-teenagers...
Racial profiling isn’t confined to New York and its police department. Racial profiling is a fact of life for young African-Americans. This spring I taught at an historic black university, Claflin, in Orangeburg, South Carolina. I asked my students how many of them had been stopped by the police. Thirteen of the fifteen had encounters with the police. These aren’t students with hoodies or pants falling down below their rears; it is hard to see them as anything but typical young people, all of whom are college students.
Most Claflin students have been stopped by the police multiple times. All stops were on the highways (by state troopers, mostly white), not on the local streets (where the sheriff and many deputies are black).
The most recent and graphic story told in class involved a female on her way home from work. When pulled over by a state trooper and asked for identification, she reached for the company nametag that hung around her neck. The trooper reached for his gun and held it against her chest. In this instance, you don’t need to be a black male to pose a threat; being black is enough.
Two times, three times, more times than one could remember: that’s how many times the students had been pulled over. While a few stops resulted in traffic tickets, most did not. One student, a scholarship athlete who aspires to be a chef, said he expects that he will wind up in prison one day for no reason other than being black.
My student’s prediction isn’t paranoia but only a slightly exaggerated reflection of a statistical reality. A 2001 report of the Bureau of Justice Statistics shows that 32 percent of black males born in 2001 can expect to spend time in prison over the course of their lifetime. (17.2 percent of Hispanics and 5.9 percent of whites born in 2001 are likely to end up in prison.)
Equally as unsettling as the statistic is the matter-of-fact way my student forecast his future. For him it was as inevitable as diabetes—many he knew would contract it and would ultimately prove life-threatening.
Add to this pessimistic realism the phenomenon of the self-fulfilling prophecy and we begin to understand the seemingly intractable nature of the discrepancies between African-Americans the rest of hyphenated America.
The Supreme Court, in Brown v Education, declared that separate could never be equal. Sadly, today black and white/Asian/Hispanic America still live in separate realities. How can the gap be closed? How can the separation become participation?
I have no policy solutions to propose. But I do suggest that the dual realities of the races be acknowledged. I once had a well-meaning friend say that it was about time that African-Americans get over it. Slavery ended a century and a half ago; legal segregation ended a generation ago, he pointed out. How long can innocent whites be held responsible for the sins of their ancestors?
I think these are the wrong questions. They will get us nowhere. As every ethical system posits, it is necessary first to put yourself in another’s shoes. This is a good way to begin. We have hardly started.
Brownsville and Stuyvesant, both in NYC, are worlds apart. These two parts of myself need to be reconciled.
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"The Supreme Court, in Brown v Education, declared that separate could never be equal. Sadly, today black and white/Asian/Hispanic America still live in separate realities."
Birds of a feather will always flock together. Civil rights integration is unnatural and a failure.
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False-accusing Duluth man claimed black man shot him
A Duluth man who police believe shot himself with a long gun falsely reported to a 911 operator that a black male was among the people he claimed shot him.
That information was contained in a five-page transcript obtained by the News Tribune of the emergency call Alcide Thomas Cloutier made to 911 at 10:46 p.m. Jan. 22, after he sustained what police have determined was a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the abdomen.
“We wouldn’t begin to speculate on why he said there was a black male,” Duluth police spokesman Jim Hansen said. “We just have to follow up on what he told us. There were many things in his story that didn’t match. I wouldn’t speculate on why he would say they were in a blue Chevrolet or some other color. We have no reason to believe that this is a racist incident.” Claudie Washington, president of the Duluth chapter of the NAACP, said he believes Cloutier’s claim was racist. “People assume that if you implicate a black person the story is more legitimate, again, because of the racial stereotypes we see every day about blacks and crime,” Washington said. “I think his motivation can very well have been to legitimize his complaint by saying a black person was involved. It also distorts where the investigation is going. I commend the police department for not buying into the story.”
The city of Duluth’s human rights officer, Bob Grytdahl, who spent 30 years as a police officer, was asked why he thought Cloutier, who is white, placed a black man at the scene. Was it simply an added embellishment?
“It doesn’t surprise me because I’ve seen people do that before,” Grytdahl said.
Without knowing more details about the incident, Grytdahl was reluctant to speculate on Cloutier’s alleged actions, but said: “I’ve heard people fabricate perpetrators and they try to make them believable. Unfortunately, in America, a black male is a pretty believable person to have committed a crime.” According to the criminal complaint, Cloutier told police that he had been driving and witnessed a female being assaulted by two males inside a vehicle. He said he stopped to intervene and one of the men shot him with some type of long gun.
Officers found a firearm partially submerged in the snow on the Northland Country Club golf course. Investigators from the crime scene unit spotted small spots of blood in the snow and pieces of fabric that matched the fabric of some clothing worn by Cloutier.
Cloutier has felony convictions for second- and third-degree burglary, fleeing a peace officer in a motor vehicle, being a felon in possession of a firearm and felony escape from custody. Hansen said police haven’t yet traced how the gun allegedly wound up in Cloutier’s hands. The incident took place near McCulloch Street and the Northland Country Club golf course in the Lakeside neighborhood.
Cloutier, 34, is charged with two counts of being a felon in possession of a firearm and one count of reckless discharge of a firearm within a municipality. He was not charged with falsely reporting a crime. Cloutier has not yet made a court appearance. Police said he remains hospitalized in Duluth with a gunshot wound to the left side of his lower abdomen. He couldn’t be reached for comment in the hospital Thursday night.
According to the transcript, Cloutier told the 911 operator he was a fire student at Lake Superior College. That information could not be confirmed on Thursday.
quote:911 transcript Here’s a portion of the 911 transcript: 911: This is 911. Can you tell me who shot you and where they are now? Caller: I have no idea, but f … 911: Where did they shoot you? Caller: In the stomach. 911: OK. And you don’t know who these people were? Caller: No. 911: We’ve got everybody on the way. Do you know what kind of gun was it? Do you know anything like that? Caller: Moans. 911: Did it happen in a house? Outside? Where? Caller: I got out to help somebody … Hurry up. 911: It happened in the street? Caller: Yeah. 911: OK. And, where did they go? Caller: I don’t know. 911: You didn’t see who shot you? Do you know who shot you? Caller: They beat up a girl, dude, then everybody took off. 911: Were they males? Caller: Yes. One was black. Later in the call: 911: You said one of them was a black male? Caller: Yes, hurry up. 911: And was it a car or truck? Can you tell me that? Caller: Car. Hurry. F… Please. I don’t wanna die.
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No. of Wrongful Convictions Since 1989: More Than 2K
quote: (NEWSER) – Word of wrongful convictions pops into the news frequently, but a new registry puts a number on just how often: By its count, more than 2,000 people have been exonerated of serious crimes since 1989. The National Registry of Exonerations claims to be the largest database of its kind, and it covers the era since DNA testing began to be commonly used. Many of the wrongful convictions can be traced to police corruption and witnesses who lied or later recanted, but there has also been a surprising number of people who confessed to crimes they didn't commit while under intense interrogation.
"Nobody had an inkling of the serious problem of false confessions until we had this data," says an executive director of Northwestern University's Center on Wrongful Convictions, which compiled the registry along with the University of Michigan Law School. Sponsors hope the registry will shed light on the mistakes of the criminal justice system, allowing them to be prevented in the future, the Los Angeles Times reports. Of all the states, Illinois has the most exonerations listed, but a University of Michigan law professor says more data is needed to make true comparisons: "It's clear that the exonerations we found are the tip of the iceberg."
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April 22 marks the 25th anniversary of the Supreme Court decision in McCleskey v. Kemp, in which the Court ruled that a defendant cannot rely upon statistical evidence of systemic racial bias to prove his death sentence unconstitutional, no matter how strong that evidence may be. McCleskey has been roundly condemned as a low point in the quest for equality that begs to be revisited. To mark the occasion, every day this week the ACLU Blog of Rights will feature a new post about McCleskey and its legacy. You can read all the posts here, and visit mccleskeyvkemp.com to learn more.
Levon "Bo" Jones spent 14 years on North Carolina's death row for a murder he did not commit, before being exonerated in 2008. Police sought to charge Jones, who is Black, with the murder of a white bootlegger named Leamon Grady, despite obvious flaws in the case and a far more compelling white suspect.
Jones' case is illustrative of a large problem. We know there is a strong link between race and who ends up on death row: studies across the country have repeatedly documented that Black people convicted of killing white people are far more likely to be sentenced to death than white people convicted of killing black people. So perhaps it should come as no surprise that there is also a strong link between race and wrongful convictions.
Nationwide, Black defendants are more likely than their white counterparts to be wrongfully convicted, and defendants charged with crimes against white victims are far more likely to be erroneously convicted than defendants charged with crimes involving nonwhite victims. Despite the fact that there are far more Black homicides with Black victims, an overwhelming 76 percent of all death row exonerees were wrongfully convicted of the murders of white victims.
This pattern is apparent here in North Carolina's death row. Of the seven death row inmates exonerated since North Carolina reinstated the death penalty in 1977, five are Black, and six are nonwhite. All seven exonerees — or 100 percent of North Carolina's death row exonerees — were in cases with white victims.
The explanations for this bias span every stage of the charging and conviction process — from racially biased police investigation and arrest policies, to the harsher treatment and greater suspicion defendants of color face — particularly when charged with crimes against white victims, to unconscious biases at trial and sentencing.
These facts are ones that ACLU client Jones understands all too well. In Jones' case, the key witness against him went to the police three years after the crime, and gave five wildly inconsistent stories about Jones' supposed involvement. The witness had a long history of petty crime and a host of credibility problems. It is hard to imagine police taking seriously this kind of evidence if the defendant were a wealthy white community member. Indeed, the police did not charge the white suspect, even though under the suspect's own self-serving story, he broke into Grady's home and stepped over Grady's body to steal beer from Grady's refrigerator.
The racially biased treatment of Jones did not end with the police. His own trial lawyers never took seriously the possibility that he was innocent, and thus never investigated the case. They failed, for example, to walk over to the district attorney's office to get the contradictory statements made by the witness or to investigate her credibility problems. Instead, they simply focused on trying to convince Jones to plead guilty of a crime he did not commit. At trial, a white judge presided over Jones's case and an all-white jury convicted him and sentenced him to death.
Jones also knows too well the steep cost of wrongful convictions. North Carolina has never compensated him for all of his years behind bars, leaving him and his family to bear the costs alone. He has struggled to find permanent work, as many employers see his murder arrest on a criminal background search and decline to even give him an interview. Instead of a job with retirement benefits or vacation pay, Jones must spend long, hard hours doing day labor work when he can find it. He also missed his daughter's childhood. His daughter was a baby when he was arrested, and was a young adult when he was released from prison. His dear older sister, who believed in his innocence and championed his case all along, passed away last year. He had only few years with her after his release from prison.
The most important payment we can make on the debt we owe Jones and other wrongfully convicted defendants is to break the link between race and the death penalty. Twenty-five years ago this week the United States Supreme Court turned its back on justice for the death penalty when it held in McCleskey v. Kemp that systemic evidence of racial bias in capital sentencing was insufficient to show a constitutional violation.
Thankfully, the North Carolina legislature took an enormous step to reverse the damage of McCleskey when it passed the Racial Justice Act, which allows capital defendants to use statistical evidence of systemic bias in the death penalty to challenge their death sentences. Other states should follow suit.
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A rich lawyer should sue the USA governement in the International Justice court of Geneva for allowing private ownership of Prison and the stock market trading of private corporate prison.Prison being own by businesses create an incentive for Police, Judge, lawyer to send people to prison for profit.If police dpt, Fire fighter, the military, Embassy cant be privately own prison also cant be privately own.They even have a new kind of slavery in prison call 50 cents in hour slave wage work.
The International court of justice have no juridiction in the USA.The court verdict is to embarass the USA.
I agree NarmerThot black males are target for the police, politician and judicial system.To survived in the USA black males have to be discipline, smart and careful of society trap(gang, drug war, hold up) etc.
1) People limit their definition of 'violence' to 'contemporary illegitimate/criminal violence as defined by the Western legal system'
2) People pretermit history (which is really inexcusable if the argument relies on the presence of biological predispositions)
After taking these two points into account, the "black people are more violent—just look at the statistics!" argument disintegrates. The statistics show 'black' people are by far the least violent.
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You haven't actually addressed anything I've said. The statistics show that significantly more violence (and worse kinds) have been committed by 'non-black' people than 'black' people. Whether or not you wish to limit the statistics (they are also in violation of point 1)* to the last few years to suit your agenda does not alter this fact.
*For example, the drone strikes and ongoing war in the Middle East (+Israel vs. Palestine) are all acts of violence (you would call all of the people involved in these examples 'Caucasoids'), but in many cases are considered to be 'legitimate/non-criminal acts of violence' according to the Western legal system.
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Black Judge Clears White People From The Courtroom.
Judge Arrington: Once kicked whites out of courtroom to tell Black people to behave
Black People Responsible for Virtually All Crime in Atlanta --
Judge Marvin Arrington Confirms
In Atlanta, African-Americans are 54 percent of the population, but are responsible for 100 percent of homicide, 95 percent of rape, 94 percent of robbery, 84 percent of aggravated assault, and 93 percent of burglary.
APD Uniform Crime Reports, Apr 2011 to Apr 2012
The judge said the majority of people who appear before him accused of crimes such as murder, rape and robbery are black and he wanted to do something about it, one on one.
"I didn't want them to think I was talking down to them; trying to embarrass them or insult them; be derogatory towards them and I was just saying 'Please get yourself together,'" he said.
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Black Judge Clears White People From The Courtroom.
Judge Arrington: Once kicked whites out of courtroom to tell Black people to behave
Black People Responsible for Virtually All Crime in Atlanta --
Judge Marvin Arrington Confirms
In Atlanta, African-Americans are 54 percent of the population, but are responsible for 100 percent of homicide, 95 percent of rape, 94 percent of robbery, 84 percent of aggravated assault, and 93 percent of burglary.
APD Uniform Crime Reports, Apr 2011 to Apr 2012
The judge said the majority of people who appear before him accused of crimes such as murder, rape and robbery are black and he wanted to do something about it, one on one.
"I didn't want them to think I was talking down to them; trying to embarrass them or insult them; be derogatory towards them and I was just saying 'Please get yourself together,'" he said.
I know from experience that quote spamming and a failure to respond in any relevant fashion = you cannot construct a counterargument.
I know I have just fatally undermined one of your beliefs by revealing a rather obvious error in your 'justification' of this belief... I suggest you sleep it off.
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quote:Originally posted by Badumtish: *For example, the drone strikes and ongoing war in the Middle East (+Israel vs. Palestine) are all acts of violence (you would call all of the people involved in these examples 'Caucasoids'), but in many cases are considered to be 'legitimate/non-criminal acts of violence' according to the Western legal system.
Your examples are invalid. All countries/nation/states have different laws (although some will overlap). The point is - "Blacks" whatever single country/nation/state they in are prone to breaking that land's specific laws, statistically higher than any other race by far.
Palestine has a sovereignty dispute with Israel, they aren't unified in the sense of a country.
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quote:Originally posted by Badumtish: *For example, the drone strikes and ongoing war in the Middle East (+Israel vs. Palestine) are all acts of violence (you would call all of the people involved in these examples 'Caucasoids'), but in many cases are considered to be 'legitimate/non-criminal acts of violence' according to the Western legal system.
Your examples are invalid. All countries/nation/states have different laws (although some will overlap). The point is - "Blacks" whatever single country/nation/state they in are prone to breaking that land's specific laws, statistically higher than any other race by far.
Palestine has a sovereignty dispute with Israel, they aren't unified in the sense of a country.
My points are not invalid in the slightest. If your argument is that "black people are inherently more violent" you cannot rely on socially constructed (and thus highly mutable) concepts of 'criminality'/illegitimate violence or recent statistics of 'criminality'/illegitimate violence; you must rely on violence at its fundamental level and use every documented case of violence when consulting the statistics.
What the 'laws of the land are' is completely irrelevant. If I drop a bomb on your house it is a criminal act of illegitimate violence. If a state-sanctioned drone drops a bomb on your house it is a legal act of legitimate violence. They are the same act but only one is recorded in statistics that document "criminal violence according to contemporary societal laws". If your argument relies on the notion that one's propensity to drop a bomb/commit violence is inherently moderated, the acts must be viewed fundamentally: as equal acts of violence, not "violence only when you are in this location, with these laws, at this time, with this societal position/role/occupation/privilege". Violence is violence. When we do this, we can see that 'black' people commit significantly less (both in number and intensity) violence than 'non-black' people (see point 2 if you need to refresh your memory).
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I've said nothing about violence. I posted incarceration/prison rates which shows that "Blacks" fill the prisons (and are the most dominant race by number in any prison report), despite being well under 10% of the US population and 3% of UK's.
The statistics show "Blacks" statistically are prone to criminal behaviour, more so than any other race by far. So for example, "Blacks" are up to 10 times more likely to commit robbery or rape than a "white" person.
I don't see how air-strikes in the middle east are relevant to this. Explain why "Blacks" fill the prisons, stop running away from the data.
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What the 'laws of the land are' is completely irrelevant. If I drop a bomb on your house it is a criminal act of illegitimate violence. If a state-sanctioned drone drops a bomb on your house it is a legal act of legitimate violence. They are the same act but only one is recorded in statistics that document "criminal violence according to contemporary societal laws". If your argument relies on the notion that one's propensity to drop a bomb/commit violence is inherently moderated, the acts must be viewed fundamentally: as equal acts of violence, not "violence only when you are in this location, with these laws, at this time, with this societal position/role/occupation/privilege". Violence is violence. When we do this, we can see that 'black' people commit significantly less (both in number and intensity) violence than 'non-black' people (see point 2 if you need to refresh your memory). [/QB]
1) who ethnnically pays the taxes and who ethnically is part of the military that carries out the strikes?
2) do you pay taxes?
3) what are the estimated casualties of 2011 drone strikes compared to total murders in the U.S. in 2011? (or 2012 if you have the info)
4) was the assualt on Osama Bin Laden's compound and his killing a good thing?
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quote:Violence is violence. When we do this, we can see that 'black' people commit significantly less (both in number and intensity) violence than 'non-black' people (see point 2 if you need to refresh your memory).
You're posting crimes of states or countries against other states/countries with the push of a button by a few individuals in goverments. I've posted in contrast data that is wholly representative, based on figures in millions.
The people who push the button for missiles are not representative at the civilian level. The fact you resort to this, shows how desperate you are - you actually acknowledge "Blacks" are more criminal by nature, hence you've avoided, or rather completely failed to respond to the data I have posted.
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I put up the criminal stat sources for the UK and U.S. for violent crimes. This reflects the general population as opposed to the government. I have not read the details
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: that's poor reasoning, Above you are talking about two cases and trying to make a blanket statement
Look at America in the past 5 years and compare the number of homocides commited by the various so called races, note their population percentage within the total U.S, population
you have no data
step your game up then get back to me
This is typical albino response that can be found all over the internet anytime racism or albino barbarism is brought up. Its mostly White nationalist david duke ball suckers who post this.
This was a posting on an article about a TV show that displays racism.
You albinos have the same hive mindset like the borg collective from star trek.
quote: Whether or not Bill Bennett's offhand comment that aborting black babies would reduce the crime rate was racist, it was wrong.
"[Y]ou could abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down," Bennett said on his radio program "Bill Bennett's Morning in America."
"That would be an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down," he said.
According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 910,200 of the men and women behind bars last year were black, 777,500 were white and 395,400 were Hispanic.
In 1997, about 9 percent of the black population in the U.S. was under some form of correctional supervision compared to 2 percent of the white population and over 1 percent of other races.
Blacks were two times more likely than Hispanics and five times more likely than whites to be in jail.
But those numbers count only those who were jailed for a crime. In 2003, more than twice as many whites as blacks were arrested and charged with a crime, according to the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports.
Of 9.5 million offenses charged, 6.7 million whites were arrested, compared to 2.5 million blacks.
The most common crimes were drug abuse violations, resulting in arrest of 770,430 whites and 381,006 blacks.
Whites were far more likely to be arrested driving under the influence. Of 998,035 total offenses, 877,810 of those arrested where whites.
Blacks, meanwhile, were more than twice as likely as whites to be arrested for gambling, 5,153 to 1,964.
And while blacks comprise about 13 percent of the population, they were charged with most of the robberies, 40,993 compared to 33,070 for whites, and nearly as many homicides--4,395 black and 4,454 white.
Whites outnumbered blacks about 2-1 in arrests for other crimes, including rape (11,766-6,114), aggravated assault (203,076-103,697), burglary (143,889-103,697) and larcey/theft (556,215-233,806.)
Whites also were most often arrested for motor vehicle theft, arson, other assaults, fraud, embezzlement, dealing in stolen property, vandalism, weapons charges, prostitution, sex offenses, crimes against families and children, liquor laws, drunkenness, disorderly conduct, vagrancy, curfew and loitering, suspicion, as runaways and all other offenses not including traffic. " target="_blank">http://www.ethicsdaily.com/news.php?viewStory=6384
On top of that, You criminal barbarians are still given leniency.
Black DEA agent ask to start cracking down on white neighborhoods. His Boss didnt take to kindly to his idea stating "You start locking up white folks kids theyre gonna shut us down"
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I put up the criminal stat sources for the UK and U.S. for violent crimes. This reflects the general population as opposed to the government. I have not read the details
In London, 12% of the population was "Black" in 2010. In June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph, through a Freedom of Information Act request, obtained statistics regarding those the police took action against for a range of crimes in London in 2009-10. For street crimes include muggings, assault with intent to rob, and snatching property 54% of the offenders were Black. For robbery 59%. For gun crimes 67%. For sexual offences 32%.
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quote:I've said nothing about violence. I posted incarceration/prison rates which shows that "Blacks" fill the prisons (and are the most dominant race by number in any prison report), despite being well under 10% of the US population and 3% of UK's.
And when your argument is absolutely obliterated you start rambling on about 'oh, I never actually said anything about violence... you've misinterpreted me'.
1) The thread is called "Black men and violence"
2) In this post you said you posted "evidence" for the OP (who asked about "Black men and violence")
3) In this post the term 'violence' was used on multiple occasions.
But you "said nothing about violence".
quote:The statistics show "Blacks" statistically are prone to criminal behaviour, more so than any other race by far. So for example, "Blacks" are up to 10 times more likely to commit robbery or rape than a "white" person.
According to which statistics? Recent ones that only take into account illegitimate acts of violence? How can you make a claim that 'they' are "more likely" to do this when you are basing it on selective statistical data?
I'm not interested in anything that doesn't take into account all forms of violence throughout recorded history and relies on socially constructed concepts of 'criminality'.
quote:I don't see how air-strikes in the middle east are relevant to this.
Yes, you do. I've made it very clear.
quote:Explain why "Blacks" fill the prisons, stop running away from the data.
I know how much you want to change the topic so you can selectively quote me and omit everything I've said above, but I'm not going to allow that to happen at this point.
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quote:Violence is violence. When we do this, we can see that 'black' people commit significantly less (both in number and intensity) violence than 'non-black' people (see point 2 if you need to refresh your memory).
You're posting crimes of states or countries against other states/countries with the push of a button by a few individuals in goverments. I've posted in contrast data that is wholly representative, based on figures in millions.
but you ignore the fact that black people are living a legacy of being subjected to racism and 2nd class conditions imposed on us. Capital derived from slave planations has passed on through inheritance and an unfair playing field is passed on, including ghettoization
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quote:You're posting crimes of states or countries against other states/countries with the push of a button by a few individuals in goverments. I've posted in contrast data that is wholly representative, based on figures in millions.
The people who push the button for missiles are not representative at the civilian level. The fact you resort to this, shows how desperate you are - you actually acknowledge "Blacks" are more criminal by nature, hence you've avoided, or rather completely failed to respond to the data I have posted.
Violence is violence. Do you think the tens of millions of deaths in point 2 were done by a "few individuals"? This is societal-level violence committed (or encouraged) by the society in question.
Who elects the government?
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quote:1) who ethnnically pays the taxes and who ethnically is part of the military that carries out the strikes?
You can look that up yourself. In any case, I can say with confidence that almost all of the historical acts of violence in point 2 only had the country's native residents involved.
quote:2) do you pay taxes?
Relevance?
quote:3) what are the estimated casualties of 2011 drone strikes compared to total murders in the U.S. in 2011? (or 2012 if you have the info)
It was merely an example.
quote:4) was the assualt on Osama Bin Laden's compound and his killing a good thing?
It was an act of violence that was deemed to be legtimate/legal in the eyes of the U.S. government.
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quote:You're posting crimes of states or countries against other states/countries with the push of a button by a few individuals in goverments. I've posted in contrast data that is wholly representative, based on figures in millions.
The people who push the button for missiles are not representative at the civilian level. The fact you resort to this, shows how desperate you are - you actually acknowledge "Blacks" are more criminal by nature, hence you've avoided, or rather completely failed to respond to the data I have posted.
Violence is violence. Do you think the tens of millions of deaths in point 2 were done by a "few individuals"? This is societal-level violence committed (or encouraged) by the society in question.
Those only include races with a recorded history, from where estimates can be calculated from activities, movements etc. Negroids never had one (they never invented a written script etc). So for example the Bushmen and Pygmies who True Negroids have been hunting, killing and eating for the past 5,000 or so years through to current times, we have no data for. In fact, the genocide against the Pygmies was only brought to the UN's attention in 2003.
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quote:Those only include races with a recorded history, from where estimates can be calculated from actitities, movements etc. Negroids never had one (they never invented a written script etc). So for example the Bushmen and Pygmies who True Negroids have been hunting, killing and eating for the past 5,000 or so years through to current times, we have no data for. In fact, the genocide against the Pygmies was only brought to the UN's attention in 2003.
And who knows how many people 'non-black' persons killed without documentation.
This argument is pathetic: present evidence or don't say anything.
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^ You are the one claiming non-Blacks have killed more. However this cannot be known, since we have zero data for certain primitive races. Mass killings of Bushmen by Negroids have been going on for millenia, yet there is not a single statistic uploaded on that bogus wiki article - it only wants to demonise "whites". The people who run those pages are biased.
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quote:Originally posted by Faheemdunkers: ^ You are the one claiming non-Blacks have killed more. However this cannot be known, since we have zero data for certain primitive races. Mass killings of Bushmen by Negroids have been going on for millenia, yet there is not a single statistic uploaded on that bogus wiki article - it only wants to demonise "whites". The people who run those pages are biased.
Are you familiar with the concept of the 'burden of proof'? Evidence or STFU. Thanks. Similarly, I cannot say "whites and Asians killed hundreds of millions more, but there is no evidence for this" and expect you to accept this completely baseless claim.
I'm not claiming anything. I'm consulting the statistical evidence to make a statement of historical fact.
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All of those statistics on that link are pure estimates. There's nothing to say those figures could be far lower - in the case of historical revisionism. Your not giving me anything objective. You are putting your faith in what wikipedia "internet" historians tell you.
Your claim non-Blacks have killed more than Blacks is nothing more than a faith statement or personal belief.
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quote:Originally posted by Faheemdunkers: All of those statistics on that link are pure estimates. There's nothing to say those figures could be far lower - in the case of historical revisionism. Your not giving me anything objective. You are putting your faith in what wikipedia "internet" historians tell you.
Your claim non-Blacks have killed more than Blacks is nothing more than a faith statement or personal belief.
Estimates based on the historical evidence available; this historical evidence is what says those figures couldn't be "far lower".
Feel free to consult the citations or do your own historical research. The numbers killed at the hands of 'white' and Asian people will still be in the hundreds of millions.
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quote:Violence is violence. When we do this, we can see that 'black' people commit significantly less (both in number and intensity) violence than 'non-black' people (see point 2 if you need to refresh your memory).
You're posting crimes of states or countries against other states/countries with the push of a button by a few individuals in goverments. I've posted in contrast data that is wholly representative, based on figures in millions.
but you ignore the fact that black people are living a legacy of being subjected to racism and 2nd class conditions imposed on us. Capital derived from slave planations has passed on through inheritance and an unfair playing field is passed on, including ghettoization
No they aren't though. Blacks have more rights than whites in US and UK. Go through any list. You can register a "black charity" in UK, but not a "white charity". Blacks have their own churches, schools, institutions, and college funds. Whites have none of those, and if they try to set one up are called "racist". Of course this goes much further. Blacks have their own music (you cannot call a music genre "white"), blacks have their own films (go into a video store and you will see a "black" cinema section, yet none exists for whites), Blacks have their own magazines, whites aren't allowed them. For example in London the magazine "Black londoner" exists, yet a "white londoner" would be deemed "racist".
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