Rogers sources are silly personal attacks and lies against presidents, by their detractors:
"In his campaign for the Presidency he [Ahraham Lincoln] was often referred to a Negro by his opponents."
During the 18th-19th centuries it was an easy method to discredit someone by inventing a lie they had a black ancestor.
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Fear fear read 'em yourself trust no one else
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This a funny board
Most the **** here is Rogers derived
yet no homage to the man who gave you your direction
only a person acknowledged as white bothers to reply
the rest are like Skippy a nigga who only learned about rogers in college what???
how could a nigga that old never know rogers from his parents iffen they read the negro press? or the secondary school library? or the black cultural centers?
or ???
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All y'all need read Rogers
Nature knows no color-line
or
Sex and Race (3 vols)
at the very least
and how yr kidz learnin black culture history? u betta buy them
Your History
and read it along widdem as they color cotdamn the pages.
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Nature Knows No Color Line, Sex and Race 3 volumes, America debt to Africa are great history and sociology books by J A Rogers. I own all those books. J A Rogers books are well illustrated, they contain a lot of pictures. Great link Tukuler I am going to download the free PDF format of JA Rogers books.
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JA Rogers was a pioneer in minterpreting generic heraldic symbols, mascots of subjugated Christian converted 'moor' Africans as kings of Europe
However he did enlighten on some other issues
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: This a funny board
Most the **** here is Rogers derived
yes Mike's realhistory websiste is heavily indebted to J.A. Rogers yet there is no mention of his name on the site -stolen legacy
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Lioness and Dead, who are the people paying you to come to onto this forum and start attacking any posts which speak of Afrocentrism? Lioness your rep in this field is well known so I am not going to address your here.
Let's deal with your case, Dead.
You attacked Clyde Winters in this thread, calling him a fraud, http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=009487, and after I told you not to call someone a fraud unless you had enough knowledge in the field involved, you went silent until a guy called Quetzalcoatl who had more knowledge in that area, came to attack Clyde Winters, and it was only after quite a number of exchanges on that line you became brave enough to make new comments.
What is this bug of yours which lead you to consistently wage ill-founded attacks on other people's views and statements?
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quote:Originally posted by Habsburg: Lioness and Dead, who are the people paying you to come to onto this forum and start attacking any posts which speak of Afrocentrism?
I'm paid by Barack Obama He supports truthcentric
Hapsburg you cant be afrocentric and black eurocentric at the same time
They start to contradict each other
Calling oneself "Hapsburg" can never by afrocentric, Diop would slap you It's accurately called Black Eurocentism It's not centered in Africa or African diaspora countries It focused on Europe Therfore it is a form of Eurocentrism It just happens to be the black version
Guess what, you will never hear Mike, who with his website realhistory is the most influential Black Eurocentic in the world today, he will never call himself "Afrocentric"
Now put that in your pipe and smoke it
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I know this is ANCIENT EGYPT forum where anything goes but try keeping my thread focused on
JOEL AUGUSTUS ROGERS
without whom the popular cognizance of Black History would still be relegated to 19 and early 20th century okie doke bullshit.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
JA Rogers was a pioneer in minterpreting[sic] generic heraldic symbols, mascots of subjugated Christian converted 'moor' Africans as kings of Europe
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Silence evades identifying a fool. Opening up the mouth confirms it.
You're totally unfamiliar with the man's works and are shitting disinformation acting as if you speak with authority.
I challenge you. Present just one example in Nature Knows no Color- line of what you say Rogers is guilty of, just one totally in context demonstration will do.
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JA Rogers was a pioneer in minterpreting[sic] generic heraldic symbols, mascots of subjugated Christian converted 'moor' Africans as kings of Europe
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I challenge you. Present just one example in Nature Knows no Color- line of what you say Rogers is guilty of, just one totally in context demonstration will do.
The Coats of Arms are real, featuring black people and appear in his book. I had seen someone using this portion of the book to suggest they were kings in Europe. However I looked at this portion of the book and J.A. Rogers does not say that.
I have read some parts of his work in the past but I don't know his work that well.
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Apology accepted (and I understand how you came to err: mistaking ROGERS for advocates of Black Europe here on ES AE).
You and everyone else please please please please download and read NATURE KNOWS NO COLOR-LINE.
Even in 2015 this is a must read work as are all three volumes of SEX AND RACE and you must buy YOUR HISTORY for every child on your Kwanzaa Hanukkah Christmas list. I mean it, no lie!
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I challenge you. Present just one example in Nature Knows no Color- line of what you say Rogers is guilty of, just one totally in context demonstration will do.
Cleopatra is a good example.
quote:One of the first to circulate the [black]Cleopatra myth was Joel A. Rogers, followed by many others who, with a complete disregard for the clear evidence provided by the coinage, have stated that the Ptolemaic queen was black.
Rogers 'evidence' for Cleopatra being black is a line from Shakespeare, describing her as "tawny".
quote:There is no evidence that Shakespeare, who lived more than sixteen hundred years after Cleopatra, had reliable evidence that Cleopatra was black. Nor can it be demonstrated that Shakespeare intended to suggest by his use of "tawny" that he regarded Cleopatra as a "black". Shakespeare would have used "Ethiope," which he used in other plays.
- Snowden, 1997
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If you can't post actually text from NATURE KNOWS NO COLORLINE then shut your mouth go away to another thread come here again some other day.
Don't give me canned replies from people who aren't on here. Prove you can read and analyze on your own.
Everybody makes mistakes but let a black man make them and whoa-boy everything he ever done is no good.
Did you read that little bio I posted? See the respect the U.S. Supreme Court gave him, or the Parisians, or those USA science orgs?
Even the Brooklyn Museum 2014 has a black Cleo and I still say she was probably 99.9% Macedonian imperialist colonizer lineage though her heritage was Egyptian (maybe the first Ptolemy to really consider Egypt and Egyptians as other than conquered subjects).
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This guy is a real Altruist. He showed that India, Egypt And Ethiopians as well as the greeks did not view each other based on colour of skin really.
The good: The greeks at the time were not about race based ignorance, I think it was a guy named peyvry that stated in rogers book nature knows no colurline, that there are many greek sculptures of Black people and greeks looked down on slaves so why would there be so many statues of Black People.
That Rogers said that Lisbon back in the day was much like New York in mixture of people.
That the scandanavians are probably the only white people that could careless for Blond hair and blue eyes many preferred Darker euros, and that they welcomed Black people to there country in peace because of always seeing the same color of themselves, He also stated that its like how Jamaica was in that they welcomed white people to there country in peace because of not seeing many of them.
To me at least Scandanavians were much like Europes Ethiopians seeked peace, Traveled, the Vikings went to the Amercias and you never heard of the vikings massacering Native Americans.
That Africans served all throughout Europe, That there were Africans in Russia, Rome was multicultural.
That Muslims put a stop to the deep seated color based hate in India that divided Indians from one another.
That the Indians were linked with Ethiopia through a Abyssinian King.
Indians Buddhas statues were Black.
That Persians were If I remember correctly had an Black element and was multi cultural(Forget really),
Also that Majority of europeans worshiped the Black Mary and Jesus. And France had probably the highest number of Black Mary and Jesus's Probably a reason why they created that Egyptian anime La Reine Soleil with All Black Egypt and Kush
^^The French created this, Just look at it man. They did not even try to sugar coat it(Except the eyes of certain Egyptians, but Hey, HEYYYYYYY!!! bahahah )
What I think is that Humans Deep down Like diversity, Though many won't admit it, they want to be around all types of people(Shout out Toronto) I believe God put us on earth to interact, learn from one another, Come to Him in worship, Fear and repentance. Love Him Get to Know him through the Hebrews, and then Jesus Christ the Saviour. It was the Christians who taught about One Blood like Rogers said that all humanity is brothers and sisters and united under the 1st man and woman,
The bad:
That the caste system in india was just about colour and the god indra hated black people as the aryans explained in there veda scripts(I feel they co opted it from the dravidians).
That it seemed that mulattoes Hated Black people worse then white people did.
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Ummm King do you know what the Vikings called the Native Americans? They called them Skraelings which wasn't exactly a term of endearment & is today considered offensive by the Canadian First Nations.
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That Muslims put a stop to the deep seated color based hate in India that divided Indians from one another.
Do you have a source for this or quote form the book?
I haven't looked into it
wiki says:
" Individuals in India have a tendency to see whiter skin as more beautiful. This can be traced to the invasion of Muslim emperors who were mostly light skinned. They referred to two classes of people, the white-skinned Muslims and the black-skinned Indian."
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quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Ummm King do you know what the Vikings called the Native Americans? They called them Skraelings which wasn't exactly a term of endearment & is today considered offensive by the Canadian First Nations.
So now all this info on The Vikings is coming out so whites admit they were there before colombus?
Whatever they called the native Americans Doxie. Were there known fighting among them. I mean is there mounds of Vikings or Native American bones with wounds where the Vikings entered the Americas? Maybe, I don't know
It must be great to think that All europeans were violent and murders alike huh Doxie? Thats what you call defending your people.
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I challenge you. Present just one example in Nature Knows no Color- line of what you say Rogers is guilty of, just one totally in context demonstration will do.
Cleopatra is a good example.
quote:One of the first to circulate the [black]Cleopatra myth was Joel A. Rogers, followed by many others who, with a complete disregard for the clear evidence provided by the coinage, have stated that the Ptolemaic queen was black.
Rogers 'evidence' for Cleopatra being black is a line from Shakespeare, describing her as "tawny".
quote:There is no evidence that Shakespeare, who lived more than sixteen hundred years after Cleopatra, had reliable evidence that Cleopatra was black. Nor can it be demonstrated that Shakespeare intended to suggest by his use of "tawny" that he regarded Cleopatra as a "black". Shakespeare would have used "Ethiope," which he used in other plays.
- Snowden, 1997
Who do we have here, is it Dead again?
Chew on this (from a more respectable authoritative source):
I know simple HTML links are not popular here, but perhaps someone with better html skills might copy it and paste it here.
You should know by now that being outside continental Africa doesn't make people automatically white.
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Just found these Peoples pics from a region in france called Auvergne. JA Rogers peeked my interest in looking for them.
I went to google found NONE But a few models, so I tried another search engine.
1 thing I will write, call me crazy but there is absolotuley NO PICS OF THE PEOPLE FROM THis REGION OF FRANCE ON THE NET. In the Internet, Camera, PEOPLE RECORDING THEMSELVES CALLING IT SELFIES(I CALL IT SELFISH) I CAN'T FIND PICS ON THESE FRENCH PEOPLE THAT JA ROGER SAYS HAS TRACEABLE AFRICAN ANCESTRY
Then I came across 2 of their models that blew me away. Now its not just there Beauty...But that They looked like they were from LIGHT SKIN PEOPLE HARLEM. They Could Pass for Nuyoricans(NYC Puerto Rican) VERY EASILY no mistaken this.
So Compare these Women from Auvergne France a isolated region in France with only 1.36million people to Nuyoricans. and tell me I'm wrong Now MAYBE they are mixed, but something tells me otherwise:
Charlène Fernandès Miss Auvergne 2011
Celia Goninet Miss Auvergne 2011
Jessica Fialon Auvergne 2011
Adeline Da Silva Costa Miss Auvergne 2011
Barbara Lebied Julien Miss Auvergne 2011
^Now she Miss Barbara. is the most noticeable African among the ladies. So I can't say for sure that the other women don't have recent African Ancestry.
I just find it Odd that an entire region of over a million people have no pics in age of everyone on Cameras. Either they SHUN Technology, hate cameras, or something Fishay is going on.
Maybe I am just reading into things, France Made this movie about Egypt after all:
^Maybe It explains the "blue eyes" of some of the cartoon Characters?
Mike111, what you think?
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^The reason why I never read any of the old Black researchers is for just this reason. Judging from all of your comments, when he (Rogers) reached the points where he had to draw conclusions - he simply made it up.
Judging by alTakruri's comment, he and alTakruri both didn't know or didn't want to know, that Blacks were the original inhabitants of Europe.
It should also be remembered that Rogers was a Mulatto: and though sympathetic to Blacks, he had no interest in investigating the true relationship of Blacks and Whites.
Then there is the matter of Skin Color in India; Just last week we were discussing Marco Polo's account of how Indians loved Black skin. Then Along comes this Mulatto, who say's they hated Black skin until the Muslims taught them better. Who you gonna believe, Marco Polo, or what appears to be a race conflicted Mulatto?
Note to alTakruri: when dealing with complicated matters, it's best to have well rounded knowledge and experience.
BTW - Those Muslims Rogers mentioned were relatives of Tamurlaine "Timur the Lame" in Persia - he was the greatest slaughterer of the original Blacks of Elam/Persia/Iran.
In India they were known as the Mugals, since when were they altruistic?
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Quote: Our Heritage is our land, our blood, our identity.
Quote: The Lambda emblem painted on proud Spartan shields is our symbol.
Quote: We are blah, blah, blah, and explosion of anti-White racism.
Quote: We are broken families and young French soldiers dying in Afghanistan.
Quote: We are Génération Identitaire.
Wiki:
The Bloc Identitaire is a regionalist nativist French and Europeanist activist movement. It was founded in 2003 by some former members of Unité Radicale and several other nationalist sympathizers, including Fabrice Robert, former Unité Radicale member, former elected representative of the National Front (FN) and also former member of the National Republican Movement (MNR), and Guillaume Luyt, former member of the monarchist Action française, former Unité Radicale member, former director of the youth organization of the FN (FNJ). Luyt claims inspiration by Guillaume Faye's works in the Nouvelle Droite movement.
The Bloc Identitaire aims to be a "rally for young French and Europeans who are proud of their roots and of their heritage". It opposes "imperialism, whether it be American or Islamic".
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BTW, KING Here is a little message from the indigenous White French youth.
Quote: The Lambda emblem painted on proud Spartan shields is our symbol.
He,he,he,he:
Doxie dear, now I see why your type embrace and enjoy ignorance so much.
Sorry dear, here comes REALITY!
Herodotus in his book "The Persian Wars" circa 440 B.C. Book 4 - MELPOMENE [4.143]-[4.159]: Identifies the Spartans, not as Whites, but as a combination of Phoenicians and Minyae (Minyans): who along with the Pelasgians were the original Black inhabitants of Greece. See Herodotus text in link.
The Hoplite
A hoplite was a citizen-soldier of the Ancient Greek city-states. Hoplites were primarily armed as spear-men and fought in a phalanx formation. The word "hoplite" derives from "hoplon" the type of the shield used by the soldiers, although, as a word, "hopla" could also denote weapons held or even full armament. In later texts, the term hoplite is used to denote any armored infantry, regardless of armament or ethnicity.
A hoplite was primarily a free citizen who was usually individually responsible for procuring his armor and weapon. They were expected to take part in any military campaign when they were called for duty. The Lacedaemonian citizens (Spartans) were renowned for their life-long combat training and almost mythical military prowess, while their greatest adversaries, the Athenians, were exempted from service after the 60th year of their lives.
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Doxie - Does he look White????
Better yet:
alTakruri - Does he look White???
He,he,he,he.
Here is a nice page on the issue - at least partly.
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Mike when the heck are you going to learn. Your biased Anti-White, Whitey hating, Black racist, Black supremacist site is NOT a reliable source. White youth such as the ones in that video have a right to know where they come from, who they are, who their ancestors were, they have a right to be proud as White youth, they have a right to knowledge of self, they have a right to self determination, they have a right to their homeland. Yes Mike that does look like a White person, a tan skinned White person. Sorry Mike but the Spartans were in fact White. Go find your own dang history IN AFRICA and leave ours alone.
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quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Mike when the heck are you going to learn. Your biased Anti-White, Whitey hating, Black racist, Black supremacist site is NOT a reliable source. White youth such as the ones in that video have a right to know where they come from, who they are, who their ancestors were, they have a right to be proud as White youth, they have a right to knowledge of self, they have a right to self determination, they have a right to their homeland. Yes Mike that does look like a White person, a tan skinned White person. Sorry Mike but the Spartans were in fact White. Go find your own dang history IN AFRICA and leave ours alone.
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Mike you are an idiot. White people can have curly hair not Afro type no but curly yes and that is what I see CURLY NOT NAPPY there's a difference. Jews have naturally curly hair and they are not Black, not White either. As I a White youth such as the ones in that video have a right to know where they come from, who they are, who their ancestors were, they have a right to be proud as White youth, they have a right to knowledge of self, they have a right to self determination, they have a right to their homeland.
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NO Jews are NOT White. They may be Albinos (more than likely not) but we Whites are NOT. Tell me Narmer, how exactly am I denying my heritage (this should be good hehehe)?? We do NOT have a genetic kinship with Jews, Jews do not even group with us & they hate us & want to see us exterminated just as bad if not worse than you do.
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quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Mike you are an idiot. White people can have curly hair not Afro type no but curly yes and that is what I see CURLY NOT NAPPY there's a difference.
Lioness - Doxie is obviously hallucinating, could you please post your picture of Kenny G. and Richard Simmons and help us settle this please?
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alTakruri - You should take part too, do YOU have any pictures of Curly headed Europeans?Posts: 22721 | Registered: Oct 2005
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quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Mike you are an idiot. White people can have curly hair not Afro type no but curly yes and that is what I see CURLY NOT NAPPY there's a difference.
Lioness - Doxie is obviously hallucinating, could you please post your picture of Kenny G. and Richard Simmons and help us settle this please?
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alTakruri - You should take part too, do YOU have any pictures of Curly headed Europeans?
Geez - looks like I will have to do this all by my lonesome.
KENNY G.
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Nah - no way. .
LET'S try this Guy!
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How about it Doxie, is THIS a match?
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Mike, what the heck do two Jews like Kenny G. & Richard Simmons have to do with this discussion, they're not White Kenny G's hair is however a match ROTFLMBO. That does not negate what I said. White youth such as the ones in that video have a right to know where they come from, who they are, who their ancestors were, they have a right to be proud as White youth, they have a right to knowledge of self, they have a right to self determination, they have a right to their homeland, they have a right to be safe to walk down the street and not be attacked for being White in their own land & not to have the land of their ancestors flooded with a bunch of Blacks & other non-Whites who proceed to demand concessions be made specifically for them, who insist they be put in positions of power, who demand that laws be made to criminalize these White youths objecting to it, who scream racist racist racist to silence them when they object, who then attack them, kill them, who publicly try to incite genocide against them, and who use hate speech against them & who try to take over the land of these youths ancestors & try to take what rightfully belongs to them. The White youth are awakening & they are angry, angry at what their parents & grandparents have done to them, angry at the position that they put them in with their libtard, anti-White, multi-CULT-ural, DIE-versity is our strength bull crap.
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Mike ever heard of OMG, cutting your hair or having your head shaved LOL ROTFLMBO. Anyhow again what does a Jew have to do with Whites??.
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quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Mike, Kenny G's hair is however a match.
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Mike ever heard of OMG, cutting your hair or having your head shaved LOL ROTFLMBO. Anyhow again what does a Jew have to do with Whites??.
Oh Doxie, poor Doxie, you really have to work on your consistency. Either a Jew is a good stand-in for a "REAL" European Albino or he's not!
alTakruri - This is YOUR thread, come-on take a stand. In the past you have been referred to as the "Great Jew", surely you are not Cowed by this Hillbilly Albino.
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Mike I said his HAIR is similar not that he is similar geez louise boy. Anyhow it still does not negate what I said. White youth such as the ones in that video have a right to know where they come from, who they are, who their ancestors were, they have a right to be proud as White youth, they have a right to knowledge of self, they have a right to self determination, they have a right to their homeland, they have a right to be safe to walk down the street and not be attacked for being White in their own land & not to have the land of their ancestors flooded with a bunch of Blacks & other non-Whites who proceed to demand concessions be made specifically for them, who insist they be put in positions of power, who demand that laws be made to criminalize these White youths objecting to it, who scream racist racist racist to silence them when they object, who then attack them, kill them, who publicly try to incite genocide against them, and who use hate speech against them & who try to take over the land of these youths ancestors & try to take what rightfully belongs to them.
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quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Mike I said his HAIR is similar not that he is similar geez louise boy. Anyhow it still does not negate what I said. White youth such as the ones in that video have a right to know where they come from, who they are, who their ancestors were, they have a right to be proud as White youth, they have a right to knowledge of self, they have a right to self determination, they have a right to their homeland, they have a right to be safe to walk down the street and not be attacked for being White in their own land & not to have the land of their ancestors flooded with a bunch of Blacks & other non-Whites who proceed to demand concessions be made specifically for them, who insist they be put in positions of power, who demand that laws be made to criminalize these White youths objecting to it, who scream racist racist racist to silence them when they object, who then attack them, kill them, who publicly try to incite genocide against them, and who use hate speech against them & who try to take over the land of these youths ancestors & try to take what rightfully belongs to them.
. The problem is that THEY, and YOU, are claiming STOLEN land as your own. Likewise they, like you, is claiming a stolen history.
YOU are Central Asian Nomads, by definition, you claim no particular land. THESE are your TRUE lands:
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Doxie - be sure to tell the Albino children at the link that I look forward to seeing them back in their TRUE homeland. I wonder if they will invite alTakruri to join them.
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Mike you stupid Whitey hating Black racist, Black supremacist moron. European history IS our history, Europe IS our land NOT stolen. Central Asia is NOT our land & never will be, we are NOT Central Asian. Mike give it up Whitey hater, we Whites are NOT Albinos & we are NOT Central Asians and you have NEVER posted any evidence that we are even when I asked you to do so several times. Invite alTakruri to join them where Mike? We are NOT going anywhere, Europe IS our true homeland. The only thing I'd tell those White youth is, "Good job young Whites, do what your libtard parents & traitor government refuse to do, fight for your ancestors' land, your history, make your ancestors proud,Stay proud & stay White, remember blood and honor young ones".
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quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: The only thing I'd tell those White youth is, "Good job young Whites, do what your libtard parents & traitor government refuse to do, fight for your ancestors' land, your history, make your ancestors proud,Stay proud & stay White, remember blood and honor young ones".
Your promoting a war over WHAT??? People trying to live. You guys divide the ethncities.
One says shes a christian and divides and calls for her "people" to fight for europe??
The Other can't stomach Africa, dreams of living in europe and wants Blacks to reclaim that place.
Guys stop it now!! Nothing good comes from that kind of talk and leads no where.
You both need to realize that some of what you say is wrong.
DOXIE, Aint no one "taking over europe" why you on here speaking these retardted comments when you know this??? Europe is what it is. a place. People live all around the earth. Europeans need to stop proving the aware right.
They call you people xenophobic, rapists, skin supremacist,Gulity consious, Stiff necked,murders hardened heart, feel like your better then everyone else as if you poo rubies etc. Now why not see what they say and PROVE THEM WRONG???
Why do whites always want people to rally around there color and fearmonger and silence the aware whites? It won't work no more. People are hip to that system trick.
Mike you antagonize doxie when shes a woman and you goad her like a spoiled brat throwing and teasing his crush. You must love doxie man? There is no excuse to tease her about central asia. She does not want to read it. Treat her like you would your girlfriend man. Respect women and then talk civil with her.
Women are emotional people, what rise do you get out of doxie getting upset. It aint cool.
Try to understand what both are saying and stop inciting fighting.
Peace on.
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1 Restored missing images re-supplied by CotK. This is a service I will provide to anybody.
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Life and Legacy of Joel Augustus Rogers: Chronicler of a Glorious African Past May 9, 2014 | Posted by Runoko Rashidi
Critical Assessments of Joel Augustus Rogers
Although Joel Augustus Rogers was largely self-trained, some of the most distinguished scholars of the 20th century have acknowledged our debt to him. Dr. William E.B. DuBois (1868-1963), perhaps the greatest scholar in American history, wrote that, “No man living has revealed so many important facts about the Negro race as has Rogers.”
The eminent anthropologist and sociologist John Gibbs St. Clair Drake wrote: “No discussion of comparative race relations would be complete without consideration of the work of the highly motivated, self-trained historian Joel A. Rogers. Endowed with unusual talent, Rogers rose to become one of the best-informed individuals in the world on Black history, writing and publishing his own books without any kind of organizational or foundation support.”
In April 1987, in a personal interview with James Brunson and me, author-historian professor John G. Jackson (1907-1993) said: “Rogers came from Jamaica in the West Indies. He settled in Chicago. He eventually took a job as a Pullman porter so he could visit different cities and libraries and do research. I got an interesting story about that. The story was that in a lot of large cities a lot of libraries were for whites only. Black people weren’t permitted to go into them. So Rogers had to pay the Pullman conductor to go to the libraries and take out books from them. The conductor said, ‘Rogers, I believe you’re a damn fool. But if you want to throw away your money that way, I’m willing to cooperate.’
“Rogers was a field anthropologist. He traveled to 60 different nations and did a lot of research and observing. He had been told when he was a child in Sunday School that God had cursed the Black man and made him inferior. Rogers wanted to prove that the Black man was not inferior.”
His widow, Helga M. Rogers, said, “He suffered a stroke while visiting friends and continuing to do research in Washington.” His labors, however, were not in vain. His impact was enormous, his legacy colossal, his place in history secure.
Joel Augustus Rogers was a man without peer in gathering up and binding the missing pages of African history. Indeed, Rogers, in the words of Dr. John Henrik Clarke, “looked at the history of people of African origin, and showed how their history is an inseparable part of the history of mankind.”
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“Ethiopians, that is, Negroes, gave the world the first idea of right and wrong and thus laid the basis of religion and all true culture and civilization.” –Joel Augustus Rogers
The Man and His Work
Joel Augustus Rogers (1883-1966) was a world traveler, a prolific writer, an accomplished lecturer, and the first Black war correspondent. Rogers became an anthropologist, historian, journalist and publisher. He was a scholar unparalleled in assembling information about African people, and probably did more to popularize African history than any single writer of the 20th century.
He was born in Negril, Jamaica, on September 6, 1883, the son of a small town school teacher (his father). In 1906, he moved to the United States, settling for a while in Chicago but spending most of his life in Harlem, New York. In 1917 he became a naturalized U.S. citizen.
Rogers had known Marcus Garvey from their youth in Jamaica. In 1923, he covered the Marcus Garvey trial, and although he was never a member of the Universal Negro Improvement Association and African Communities League, of which Garvey was founder and president-general, Rogers wrote regularly for the UNIA’s weekly newspaper, Negro World, and lectured to local UNIA chapters.
A prodigious and meticulous detective, Rogers did exhaustive, primary research into the global history of African people. In 1925, he went to Europe for investigations in the libraries and museums there. In 1927, he returned to Europe for research lasting three years, and journeyed to North Africa during the same period. Between 1930 and 1933, Rogers continued his explorations in Europe, while in 1930, 1935 and 1936 he pursued his research in Egypt and Sudan.
The year 1930 was indeed a high water mark in Rogers’ career, for it was in that year that he went to Ethiopia as a correspondent for the New York Amsterdam News to attend the coronation of Haile Selassie I, who presented him with the Coronation Medal. It was also in 1930 that Rogers spoke at the International Congress of Anthropology held in Paris and opened by the president of France.
Rogers’ organizational affiliations included the Paris Society of Anthropology, the American Geographical Society, the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the Academy of Political Science.
For 50 years of his life, Rogers investigated and reported the accomplishments of ancient and contemporary African people and their place in history, contributing to such publications as The Crisis, American Mercury, the Messenger, the Negro World and Survey Graphic. To the Pittsburgh Courier, Rogers contributed an illustrated feature entitled, “Your History.”
When publishing houses refused to publish his works, Rogers was undeterred and published them himself. All told, J.A. Rogers wrote and published at least sixteen books and pamphlets. These publications became classic works that were circulated primarily in African communities. His texts covered the entire spectrum of the global African community, from ancient and modern Africa, to Asia, Australia, the South Pacific, Europe and the Western Hemisphere.
Among Rogers’ most acclaimed and prominent works are: * “From Superman to Man,” * “One-Hundred Amazing Facts About the Negro,” * The Real Facts About Ethiopia, * Sex and Race,” * “Nature Knows No Color-Line,” and * “World’s Great Men of Color.”
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Rogers’ first publication, “From Superman to Man,” was published in 1917 and focused on “the stupidity of racism.” The book was so well received that is was recommended for reading in the original constitution and by-laws of Garvey’s Universal Negro Improvement Association and African Communities League.
Dr. Hubert Henry Harrison (1883-1927), himself a brilliant scholar and one of the greatest orators of the 20th century, referred to “From Superman to Man” as “a genuine treasure,” and insisted “that it is the greatest book ever written in English on the Negro by a Negro.” “One Hundred Amazing Facts About the Negro With Complete Proof: A Short Cut to the World History of the Negro” went through many printings and at least 18 editions. A singularly provocative quote in One Hundred Amazing Facts About the Negro is by the English scholar and traveler Samuel Purchas (ca. 1575-1626).
According to Rogers, Purchas claimed that “of all (the kings of Ethiopia), Ganges was most famous, who with his Ethiopian army passed into Asia and conquered all as far as the River Ganges, to which he left that name.” This was a particularly interesting statement for me personally, and helped catapult me on my own research concerning the African presence in Asia.
In the same book Rogers mentioned that “Beethoven, the world’s greatest musician, was without a doubt a dark mulatto. He was called `The Black Spaniard.'”
In 1935, dissatisfied with the reporting of news by the white press concerning the Italian invasion and occupation of Ethiopia, Rogers served as war correspondent in Ethiopia for the Pittsburgh Courier newspaper. After returning to the United States in 1936, he published a highly popular illustrated pamphlet entitled “The Real Facts About Ethiopia.” In “The Real Facts About Ethiopia,” Rogers wrote that the Ethiopian woman “goes with her husband to war, and often becomes his avenger, should he fall. Usually, she is fiercer in battle than the man. Europeans sometimes kill themselves, rather than fall into the hands of the African woman.”
“Sex and Race” was published in three volumes from 1941 to 1944. The first volume focuses on antiquity and is arguably the most fundamental of the three.
As to ancient Asia, for example, Rogers devoted several pages of “Sex and Race” to the Black presence in early Japan. In the process, he cites the studies of a number of accomplished scholars and anthropologists, raising the question, “Were the first Japanese Negroes?”
Other chapters are devoted to * “The Negro in Ancient Greece,” * “Negroes in Ancient Rome and Carthage”and * “Were the Jews Originally Negroes?” The appendices of Sex and Race are equally fascinating, focusing on * “Black Gods and Messiahs” and the * “History of the Black Madonnas.”
In volume 2 of “Sex and Race,” Rogers examines “racism and race-mixing in the New World,” while volume 3 seeks to define the concept of race itself. Like most of his works, all three volumes of Sex and Race are lavishly illustrated.
*Runoko Rashidi is an historian and anthropologist based in Los Angeles, California and Paris, France. He is the author of major works on the Global African Community. Runoko coordinates international African heritage tours and lectures extensively. For more information write to Runoko@yahoo.com or go to www.travelwithrunoko.com
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Posts: 8675 | From: Tukuler al~Takruri as Ardo since OCT2014 | Registered: Feb 2003
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quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Actually King yes there was some fighting between the Vikings & Native Americans but not very much, mostly trading went on between them.
BTW, KING Here is a little message from the indigenous White French youth.
It's amusing, every time you post is has to deal with some fascist group. "Yet you are to proclaim others as racist"? LOL SMH
Posts: 22235 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010
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I challenge you. Present just one example in Nature Knows no Color- line of what you say Rogers is guilty of, just one totally in context demonstration will do.
Cleopatra is a good example.
quote:One of the first to circulate the [black]Cleopatra myth was Joel A. Rogers, followed by many others who, with a complete disregard for the clear evidence provided by the coinage, have stated that the Ptolemaic queen was black.
Rogers 'evidence' for Cleopatra being black is a line from Shakespeare, describing her as "tawny".
quote:There is no evidence that Shakespeare, who lived more than sixteen hundred years after Cleopatra, had reliable evidence that Cleopatra was black. Nor can it be demonstrated that Shakespeare intended to suggest by his use of "tawny" that he regarded Cleopatra as a "black". Shakespeare would have used "Ethiope," which he used in other plays.
- Snowden, 1997
There are many Cleopatra's.
Cleopatra I
Cleopatra II
Cleopatra III
Cleopatra IV
Cleopatra VII
Cleopatra Selene
quote:From the Greek name Κλεοπατρα (Kleopatra) which meant "glory of the father", derived from κλεος (kleos) "glory" combined with πατρος (patros) "of the father". This was the name of queens of Egypt from the Ptolemaic royal family, including Cleopatra VII, the mistress of both Julius Caesar and Mark Antony. After being defeated by Augustus she committed suicide by allowing herself to be bitten by an asp. Shakespeare's tragedy 'Antony and Cleopatra' (1606) is based on her.
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