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Originally posted by Njii:
It has been proven that many of these so called Moor Head Crests are the heads of conquered enemies that the Europeans defeated and used as trophies.

I have not done as much thorough research on this but the conventional explanations of academics regarding these heads sound better than the avalanche of conspiracy theories that one will find on many black forums and in many black groups. Someone has got to call this out.

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Originally posted by Njii:
It has been proven that many of these so called Moor Head Crests are the heads of conquered enemies that the Europeans defeated and used as trophies.

I have not done as much thorough research on this but the conventional explanations of academics regarding these heads sound better than the avalanche of conspiracy theories that one will find on many black forums and in many black groups. Someone has got to call this out.

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Keywords: "I have not done as much thorough research on this"!


http://alumni.brown.edu/learning/travel/documents/08/WesternMed.pdf

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It has been proven that many of these so called Moor Head Crests are the heads of conquered enemies that the Europeans defeated and used as trophies.

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Originally posted by ausar:
Look anyone who's not a fool
needing their head bumped
knows the vast overwhelming
majority of Europeans
ancient, medieval, renaissance, pre-industrial, etc
were and are W H I T E

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Originally posted by ausar:
[QB] Look anyone who's not a fool
needing their head bumped
knows the vast overwhelming
majority of Europeans
ancient, medieval, renaissance, pre-industrial, etc
were and are W H I T E

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Originally posted by Njii:
It has been proven that many of these so called Moor Head Crests are the heads of conquered enemies that the Europeans defeated and used as trophies.

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Documentation to that effect please or you're
no better but much worse than those you are
indeed legitimately complaining against.

The vast majority are of founders of European
family lineages especially where the patronymic
is some variation of Moor which derives from
Mauros (still the Greek word for a black, even
nigger) in turn deriving from the name far NW
Afrs called themselves as posted here on ES
many and many a time over the decade.

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Originally posted by the lioness,:



The guy on the right could pass for a Russian wrestler

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White Russian indeed!

Macular degeneration... lmao!

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Europe was never densely populated by Blacks.

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Originally posted by xyyman:
He hasn't read any of the latest studies eg Richard III is not related to the people who occupy the throne in London. In other words the present "Royals" are impostors.

Latest studies on Mary Antoinette confirms something similar. Fake royals throughout Europe.

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I just checked ESR. I thought I had the breakdown there or on this site. I will get the title and post it. Will have to check my notes for the breakdown. IIRC, Antoinette is not related to many of the people that claim to be descendants of her. Even some Europeans Royals, who claim connection has none. But these things don't make the Evening News. Another one is Saint Luke, who's body was recently analyzed. Shocker!!! He was most closely related to ....the indigenous Bedouns!

It is all falling apart, they need to stop the bleeding, you know, put a stop on aDNA testing. Lol!

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Originally posted by xyyman:
I "read" someplace King Tut carried r1b

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"But the work drew criticism from some ancient-DNA experts, who claimed that the results could be explained by contamination from modern humans. The ensuing row deepened a long-standing rift among researchers who aim to coax genetic secrets from the mummified denizens of bygone civilizations. “For sure it is a highly debated field,” says Carsten Pusch of the University of Tübingen in Germany, who was part of the team that analyzed King Tut’s DNA. “The tone of the arguments is sometimes a little bit strong."

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"Scientists at Zurich-based DNA genealogy centre, iGENEA, say they have reconstructed the DNA profile of the boy Pharaoh based on a film that was made for the Discovery Channel."

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"Carsten Pusch, a geneticist at the University of Tubingen in Germany, was part of the team that constructed King Tut's DNA from samples taken from his mummified remains, and those of his relatives.

Pusch said that iGENEA's claims are 'simply impossible' because they did not publish the data for Tut's Y-chomosome - found only in males - which would reveal his male descendants, and accused the company of a marketing gimmick."

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Btw I emailed Mr Scholz of iGENEA.
We ended up having a debate that turned to a rant on his behalf, would you like to see the emails??

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Look anyone who's not a fool
needing their head bumped
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majority of Europeans
ancient, medieval, renaissance, pre-industrial, etc
were and are W H I T E

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Ausar i believe you have albinism. as i leanred in a thread about why albinos are misunderstood. it seems ashkenazi jews suffer from VIVD DREAMING.

"Normally when Serotonin is produced you wake up and when dark melatonin is produced to put you to sleep."

"Many ashkeanzi Jews suffer from vivid dreaming.

Then there is always the issue of reduced Dopamine levels (and elevated Serotonin levels) since albinism is caused by defects in the TYR/DOPA pathway. "

That is only conclusion i can come up with as to the reason you are manifesting such a fictitious delusion of fictional central asians having any form of civilization or culture in the black region of what we now know as modern day europe.

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Don't be such a provoking ass.

Since when did all European
families all have a form of
MOOR as their patronymic?









How many times have I told you download the
Master of Black presence in Europe one Joel
Augustus Rogers, his book Nature Knows No
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Originally posted by ausar:
[QB] Look anyone who's not a fool
needing their head bumped
knows the vast overwhelming
majority of Europeans
ancient, medieval, renaissance, pre-industrial, etc
were and are W H I T E

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Originally posted by Njii:
It has been proven that many of these so called Moor Head Crests are the heads of conquered enemies that the Europeans defeated and used as trophies.

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Documentation to that effect please or you're
no better but much worse than those you are
indeed legitimately complaining against.

The vast majority are of founders of European
family lineages especially where the patronymic
is some variation of Moor which derives from
Mauros (still the Greek word for a black, even
nigger) in turn deriving from the name far NW
Afrs called themselves as posted here on ES
many and many a time over the decade.

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Are you claiming that Moor heads in European coats of arms and crests represent the ethnic likeness of founders of European
families ?

If so then were the founders of European
families that have such coats of arms the Islamic conquerors of Spain going back only as far as 711 AD?

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Originally posted by Bonampak420:
I noticed that with that new poster NJII and his thread IGNORANCE ABOUT AFRICA. As if we should forget about black people who set up empires civilizations dynastys whatever you want to call it, In every corner of the globe. and only focus on Africa

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Don't be such a provoking ass.

Since when did all European
families all have a form of
MOOR as their patronymic?









How many times have I told you download the
Master of Black presence in Europe one Joel
Augustus Rogers, his book Nature Knows No
Colorline.

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Originally posted by ausar:
[QB] Look anyone who's not a fool
needing their head bumped
knows the vast overwhelming
majority of Europeans
ancient, medieval, renaissance, pre-industrial, etc
were and are W H I T E

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Originally posted by Njii:
It has been proven that many of these so called Moor Head Crests are the heads of conquered enemies that the Europeans defeated and used as trophies.

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Documentation to that effect please or you're
no better but much worse than those you are
indeed legitimately complaining against.

The vast majority are of founders of European
family lineages especially where the patronymic
is some variation of Moor which derives from
Mauros (still the Greek word for a black, even
nigger) in turn deriving from the name far NW
Afrs called themselves as posted here on ES
many and many a time over the decade.

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Are you claiming that Moor heads in European coats of arms and crests represent the ethnic likeness of founders of European
families ?

If so then were the founders of European
families that have such coats of arms the Islamic conquerors of Spain going back only as far as 711 AD?

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Don't get bent out of shape that the great God J.A. Rogers was wrong on this one. I'm "provoking" because I don't believe in one of the foremost banned dude's eccentric theories ??

You have a picture up of "Two Negro girls brought from Africa to Scotland on 1504"

They were bought in Africa

and then their names were changed to "More"


From this sort of thing Rogers speculates that since they were named More and they were African (or some type of Euro-pitch black folk )

And since Coats of Arms in Europe have generic sometimes repeating African "Moor" heads on them that therefore white people who have the name More, Moor, Mor , Blackmore etc, must have African ancestry and these Coats of Arms must represent a Moorish ancestor

or a a native black European who happens to look like a Moor, hoop earrings ????

Both scenarios are wrong and we can see how this lead to the banned guy and his cohorts, Rogers is the culprit

(meanwhile what happened to their African names? "Moor" is not what they called themselves !!)

Look carefully at this, four decapitated Moor heads >>


1524
Jeronimo Martinez , Saint George altarpiece
wikipedia

Peter I receiving a shield emblazoned with the Cross of Saint George. According to legend, George appeared on the field of battle at Alcoraz. The heads of four decapitated Moors were also found on the battlefield and, when added to George's familiar emblem, the Cross of Alcoraz was created, which would later form the basis for the Sardinian coat-of-arms.



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Coat of Arms , Alacandre, La Rioja Spain


So we are now to believe that although there were these decapitated Moors as a motif when we look at other Moors heads on other Coats of Arms they were not the Muslim hordes but were in fact founders of the royal families of the Christians???

-and there is a tradition of Coats of Arms having the image of the founding member on them

-and that these royal familes of white people who use the Coats of Arms don't know the names of their Moorish Islamic forefathers ???
-even though the invasion only goes back to 711 AD

-but wait a minute, although we see the painting of the four decapitated Moors' head of the battle of Alcoraz being presented to Peter I and we see the Sardinian flag with the same red cross and also with four Moors heads on it
but maybe, just maybe, other crowned "Moors" we see on other Coats of Arms have nothing to do with this Crusades motif maybe they are completely different native Black European kings that just look the same

or maybe J.A. Rogers and the wild speculations of David MacRitchie are just wrong.


He also assumes that a person with the surname "Black" or Moor or Moore or Mor, etc. must refer to a dark " "Negro" black skin tone

that it could only refer to the Moors who invaded Spain

( or if that doesn't work as "Moor" is not an Umayyad or al-Murabitun surname maybe they were actually crown wearing black dwarf native Europeans ancestors of royal white people families who just happend to look like North African Moors, but were really native Black Europeans
that's the back up, they were look-alikes)

So why do these some of these white Europeans named Moore, Blackmore etc if not named after "Negro" Moors
why do they have Coats of Arms with Moor's heads on them ??

Answer: because they thought puns like that were cool

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Last name: Blackmore


This interesting surname of Anglo-Saxon origin, with variant spellings Blackmoor, Blakemore, and Blackmore, is a locational name from any of the various places called Blackmore in Essex, Wiltshire and Worcestershire, as well as Blackmoor in Dorset, derived from the Olde English pre 7th Century elements "bloec" meaning "black, dark", plus "mor", hill. Blackmore in Hertfordshire, and Blackmoor in Hampshire, the early forms of which are "Blachmere" and "Blakemere", derive from the Olde English "bloec", plus "mere" meaning "lake". The surname dates back to the late 13th Century (see below), and further recordings include one William de Blachomore (1381) in the Feet of Fines for Norwich. Recordings from English Church Registers include the christening of Joan Blackmore on April 24th 1543, in East Hanningfield, Essex, and the marriage of John Blackmore and Elizabeth Michael on January 25th 1579, at St. Matthew's, Friday Street, London. One Richard Doddridge Blackmore (1825 - 1900) was a novelist and barrister. He was educated at Blundells school, Tiverton, and Exeter College Oxford, he received an M.A. in 1852, was called to the Bar at Middle Temple in 1852. He wrote many famous novels including "Clara Vaughan" in 1864, "Cradock Nowell" in 1866, "Lorna Doone" in 1869, and twelve others. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Richard de Blakemore, which was dated 1273, in the "Hundred Rolls of Oxfordshire", during the reign of King Edward 1, known as "The Hammer of the Scots", 1272 - 1307. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling

http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/blackmore#ixzz3bPhGF1

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Rogers impresses with detail but the bottom line is that if you try to write a clear explanation with his concept it just turns up silliness

Again - Why are there European Coats of Arms with Moors on them and white people named "Moore" of the Europeans also called black people "Moor" ?

Rogers concept> they probably had Moorish ancestry

problem: that does not fit with Islamic history or European history regarding the Moorish occupation of Spain, names do not correlate to European and they are not Islamic
European writing does not support it whatsoever

Rogers back up proposal> the were black dwarf kings, native black Europeans
and they were somehow ancestors of white Europeans.
The concept is magical and child-like, completely absurd.
So what happened European invaders came in but wanted to remind everybody of the great black dwarf kings that they invaded
Of course this is in old European documents right ?? They have these Coats of Arms so they must have the proper accompanying explanation right?
No they hide the the explanation, that must be it
But yet they don't hide the Coat of Arms
Benedict is showing the former rulers of Europe on his arms but he just can't talk about it

Look, before all of you try to come at me first try to write one short paragraph explanation of these Coats of Arms with Moors head on them that makes sense

You can't do , all you can do is talk about me

> but that aint good enough and telling me to read the book aint good enough, that is not an argument, you have to make it

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lotta blab blab wolf wolf

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Historian J A Rogers who wrote many well illustrated history books is the father of World Afrocentric history

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I am really skeptical of black groups that seek to paint everyone outside of Africa Black, especially recent populations.

I think the claims of a Hapsburg Black Europe and a Europe of which the majority of the people were so called "Moors" is quite ridiculous.

Were there various Black populations in Europe, yes. But as scholars and researchers we have to be more diligent with our analysis of history. Just because you find a Moor head on a coat of arms, doesn't mean the people of that region were Moors.

Anthropology involves the study of language, genes, migration patterns etc. A moor head on a crest doesn't equate to some grand conspiracy on the behalf of Europeans to hide black history.

If there is proof of black people in a region, adequately show this through rigorous methods. The whole copy/paste conflation mantra has just got to stop because it makes black researchers and black scholars look bad.

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I am really skeptical of black groups that seek to paint everyone outside of Africa Black, especially recent populations.

I think the claims of a Hapsburg Black Europe and a Europe of which the majority of the people were so called "Moors" is quite ridiculous.

Were there various Black populations in Europe, yes. But as scholars and researchers we have to be more diligent with our analysis of history. Just because you find a Moor head on a coat of arms, doesn't mean the people of that region were Moors.

Anthropology involves the study of language, genes, migration patterns etc. A moor head on a crest doesn't equate to some grand conspiracy on the behalf of Europeans to hide black history.

If there is proof of black people in a region, adequately show this through rigorous methods. The whole copy/paste conflation mantra has just got to stop because it makes black researchers and black scholars look bad.

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Originally posted by Doug M:

But no the population of Medieval Europe was not mostly black.

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Not bad kdolo, but you are wrong, the How and Why are extremely important in understanding what happened.

I mean if Blacks were the original settlers of Europe - and they were, then how could they be out-numbered and defeated by the Central Asian Albino immigrants?

1) Europe was never densely populated by Blacks.

2) The FIRST invasion of Europe by the Albinos circa 1,200 B.C. led to the first large-scale flight from Europe of Blacks - called exodus of the Sea people.

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But no the population of Medieval Europe was not mostly black.

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You are throwing terms around, and answering with High school knowledge.

First define "Medieval Europe" chronologically:

then read the history of that period.

Then find out who the people mentioned in the histories were ethnically, and where they came from.

Only then can you attempt to answer the question.

Just to let you know, what you did was really annoying - after all of these years.

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Originally posted by Doug M:
Medieval Europeans were not "mostly" blacks even if there were blacks in Europe, including mulattoes and albinos. And this is from the 10th century onward.

But if you are convinced otherwise then that is your point of view not mine.

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