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Let's skip all the features stuff and get real simple and nitty gritty, definition:
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black
dark skinned person with an afro.
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^^^^there it is for your azz....concise and easy
But suppose you find some picture of somebody you think looks black who has some sort of straight or bushy straight hair?
sorry not black.
blacks only.
With the afro definition you still get all your wide noses, your thin noses, big lips, small lips You get your West Africans as well as your Somalis, Habesha etc. Even so called white features are covered. no problem
Let's just cut out the straight haired anomalies.
The same odd three people you've been posting for the past 8 years You go on google and find some weird looking straight haired so called black person but you don't even know if they straightened their hair with some kind of backwoods plant sap or something?
Well maybe their hair was naturally straight, who knows. Let's just cut them out, they're really complicating shyt.
black people = with afros,
we don't need these straight haired people, they're the bad ones. Straight hair adversely effects your brain
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What do dark skinned people in India call themselves?
I know some of them are much darker than Black Africans.
Why should Black Africans and African Americans have a monopoly on using the term "Black"?
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Excellent definition, the lioness! This is a good attempt at denying Afroloons at hijacking every non-African black, dark skin person, so that they can forward their crazy pseudo - history was created by Blacks [see definition by the lioness] - craziness.
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It is not so much that they should have a monopoly on the word. The problem is, if any dark skin person is called "Black" then what is a light skin person called, "White?" Where is the line drawn when Black ceases being black and white begins being white? And is the world comprised of only two races, Black and White? It is really silly, don't you see?
The term "Black" denotes not only skin tone but cranio-morphology. Let us not try to reinvent the wheel.
quote:Originally posted by Mau: What do dark skinned people in India call themselves?
I know some of them are much darker than Black Africans.
Why should Black Africans and African Americans have a monopoly on using the term "Black"?
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^Ease up, Lioness is just following a well-worn path. Since the advent of reverse-racism to cover the obviously defective and sub-standard nature of Whites. They have always sought to segregate Blacks into manageable and malleable parts, by seeking to define Black and who qualifies as Black. In so doing, they are sometimes able to: by favor and promises of acceptance into the White power structure: entice Blacks into acting against other Blacks, and against their own self interest.
AND IT WORKS!
But intuitively we know that it can only work with the acquiescence of Blacks - BUT WHICH BLACKS?
Interestingly, I does NOT work with Blacks like this Dravidian (below). I know of no Black Indian who does not self-identify as Black. Though the Mulatto Hindu's sometimes have identity issues.
BUT I KNOW A MAN WHO LOOKS ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE IDI AMIN, WHO REFUSES TO BE CALLED BLACK!
He insists that he be identified by his nationality! (Sound familiar?)
I started thinking about this subject yesterday, after reading .Charlie Bass. thread about his haplogroup. What I found very interesting, though not new: was Charlies musing about how his American Indian grandmother could possibly have Black blood.
For many years, Clyde, myself, and others, have posted on the various racial components of ancient America, with special emphasis on the Black contributors.
Yet it is obvious that Charlies mind does not allow this information to filter in. The question is WHY!
Obviously his mind has gone through some sort of "Conditioning" which inhibits independent thought, and pushes him to accept only information provided by the power structure that has "Conditioned" his thinking. And Charlies is not alone, there is no telling how many are similarly effected.
To address and investigate this issue, I am currently working on a thread called "How much of our thinking is our own". Hope everyone contributes.
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^^Ah! It all makes sense now. You want to use the same tactic white racialists have used from the late 19th to early 20th centurty. And that is, instead of blacks, you want to isolate whites by pinning them against people of color (rest of the world), under the banner, "Black." You Afroloons are envious fools and freggin predictable (LOL).
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^Stop throwing everyone into the same box (who exactly are the Afroloons?). Proof of your racialist tendencies as shown in the other thread is that the only association between Mike and the ideas of the majority of posters here, seems to be with the word "Afro". I argue that you and Mike111 have more in common with the word loon. Posts: 4021 | From: Bay Area, CA | Registered: Mar 2007
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^Funny how I did not point out anyone but when the shoe was thrown you reared your ugly head. The shoe fits, buddy?
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^You are doing wonderfully, the lioness. The Afroloons want to have their cake and eat it too. There is no scientific way for them to claim OOA indigenous peoples, except through subterfuge. But even then, it is rather easy to call them out on it.
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LOL, you are so repetitious that your agenda is obvious. Crystal clear. I SEE you!!! you're crystal clear also and I see it myself all someone has to do is look to see what you agenda is It has been distilled and filtered so you can look right through it like a piece of glass It obvious what you're trying to say I can see what you're doing
you're taking a leak behind a tree
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No - Dark Skinned people of the world with an Afro are unambiguously Black politically. There are plenty of Brown Skinned people without Afros that self identify as Black.
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quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: ^I agree, any dark skinned African that had an afro is black.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: No - Dark Skinned people of the world with an Afro are unambiguously Black politically.
Sundjata says that any dark skinned African that has or had an afro is black. Your first remark in reply to that is "No" I don't understand why you said no to that statement.
You are saying no, not any dark skinned African that has an afro is black. because that is the exact statement that Sundjata said. He didn't indicate one way or the other if there are people in addition to dark skinned people who have afros that are black. He was talking about just about the ones with dark skin and afros. Yet you say "no". I don't get it. Who then are the people with dark skin and afros who are not black?
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quote:Originally posted by Kalonji: Lioness, what happened to ''black'' being a racist term?
Right before that you had it that black doesn't exist, only brown.
WTF is wrong with you?
you're absolutely right. A lighter shade of black is gray not brown
example
^^^^^nobody has skin that is lighter shade of black i.e. "gray"
Thank you for correcting me. If we want to be accurate we are going to have to go with
afro/brown people
look at terrance:
Terrence is no darker than Mexican comedian George Lopez:
so what we have here is a racist scheme to separate brown people and call one type of them "black".
Does Terrence Howard look black or gray to you? Hell no he's a brown man not one iota blacker than a Mexican like George Lopez.
But there is an important difference, Terrance has an afro. Yes he is indeed a true brown man and not a mythological "black man" But he's a certain type of brown man, the afro brown.
I have to thank kalonji here, the new title of this thread is
"black people do not exist only brown skinned people, one type of them is the afro/brown"
quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: ^I agree, any dark skinned African that had an afro is black.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: No - Dark Skinned people of the world with an Afro are unambiguously Black politically.
Sundjata says that any dark skinned African that has or had an afro is black. Your first remark in reply to that is "No" I don't understand why you said no to that statement.
You are saying no, not any dark skinned African that has an afro is black. because that is the exact statement that Sundjata said. He didn't indicate one way or the other if there are people in addition to dark skinned people who have afros that are black. He was talking about just about the ones with dark skin and afros. Yet you say "no". I don't get it. Who then are the people with dark skin and afros who are not black?
No not just Africans and no not just dark skinned people with Afros. Dark skinned people are clearly politically Black but there are others that are also Black that don't have such features.
It is a political definition.
Think of it this way, if the subject ran for president what race would they say he was or what race would he claim to be?
That is your litmus test.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: No - Dark Skinned people of the world with an Afro are unambiguously Black politically. There are plenty of Brown Skinned people without Afros that self identify as Black.
Have ever asked yourself, why these people had to choose the inferior status in a land that strips them of their true mixed heritage?
Other people who have mixed heritage without black are held in much higher esteem and allowed to be exactly who they are and proudly so.
I'm sure you have heard of all those white people who are proud to be part Indian (Cherokee, Hoppi, etc.), and other racial groups.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: No - Dark Skinned people of the world with an Afro are unambiguously Black politically. There are plenty of Brown Skinned people without Afros that self identify as Black.
Have ever asked yourself, why these people had to choose the inferior status in a land that strips them of their true mixed heritage?
Other people who have mixed heritage without black are held in much higher esteem and allowed to be exactly who they are and proudly so.
I'm sure you have heard of all those white people who are proud to be part Indian (Cherokee, Hoppi, etc.), and other racial groups.
Can you provide examples last I checked Mixed cherokee identify as Cherokee..
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Ethnic Groups and Geographic Origins The MeSH term Racial Stocks and its four children (Australoid Race, Caucasoid Race, Mongoloid Race, and Negroid Race) have been deleted from MeSH in 2004. A new heading, Continental Population Groups, has been created with new indentions that emphasize geography. Ethnic Groups is a sibling to the new Continental Population Groups.
Indexers will now be indexing to the geographic origins. To accommodate this change in policy, the following edits were made in MeSH headings on MEDLINE citations:
2003 Heading 2004 Replaced-by-Heading Aborigines Oceanic Ancestry Group Australoid Race Oceanic Ancestry Group Blacks African Americans Caucasoid Race European Continental Ancestry Group Eskimos Inuits Mongoloid Race Asian Continental Ancestry Group Negroid Race African Continental Ancestry Group Racial Stocks Continental Population Groups Whites European Continental Ancestry Group
Some additional edits were also made. For example, citations that were indexed to Blacks that were also indexed to countries other than the United States had the new MeSH heading African Continental Ancestry Group added as well.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: No - Dark Skinned people of the world with an Afro are unambiguously Black politically. There are plenty of Brown Skinned people without Afros that self identify as Black.
Have ever asked yourself, why these people had to choose the inferior status in a land that strips them of their true mixed heritage?
Other people who have mixed heritage without black are held in much higher esteem and allowed to be exactly who they are and proudly so.
I'm sure you have heard of all those white people who are proud to be part Indian (Cherokee, Hoppi, etc.), and other racial groups.
Can you provide examples last I checked Mixed cherokee identify as Cherokee..
This is due to the fact that registered Cherokees receive Native American reparations when registered. if you're not registered, you don't receive the dough when you become 18 (Boys) and 21 (Girls) of age where they will receive from between $80,000 and $130K lump sum checks. Now you see why whites aggressively interbred with the FEW remaining Native Americans. Those checks go out to "natives" who are actually on average 90-99.8% white.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: No - Dark Skinned people of the world with an Afro are unambiguously Black politically. There are plenty of Brown Skinned people without Afros that self identify as Black.
Have ever asked yourself, why these people had to choose the inferior status in a land that strips them of their true mixed heritage?
Other people who have mixed heritage without black are held in much higher esteem and allowed to be exactly who they are and proudly so.
I'm sure you have heard of all those white people who are proud to be part Indian (Cherokee, Hoppi, etc.), and other racial groups.
If Obama claimed that he was mixed and not Black he would not be president right now. You missunderstand the political power of the term Black and the unity it provides.
In the US it is the only country where Blacks have been accidentally united together under a single ethnic description that was suppose to help control us but instead has given us power to shape our destiny and the land we live in.
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quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: [qb] ^I agree, any dark skinned African that had an afro is black.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: No - Dark Skinned people of the world with an Afro are unambiguously Black politically.
Sundjata says that any dark skinned African that has or had an afro is black. Your first remark in reply to that is "No" I don't understand why you said no to that statement.
You are saying no, not any dark skinned African that has an afro is black. because that is the exact statement that Sundjata said. He didn't indicate one way or the other if there are people in addition to dark skinned people who have afros that are black. He was talking about just about the ones with dark skin and afros. Yet you say "no". I don't get it. Who then are the people with dark skin and afros who are not black?
No not just Africans and no not just dark skinned people with Afros. Dark skinned people are clearly politically Black but there are others that are also Black that don't have such features.
It is a political definition.
Here are two people who are equally dark, the Mexican possibly darker.
1) Are both of these people black or brown? Is one black the other brown?
I didn't say "politically black" I said "black" (unless you think being "black" is always politically defined Now a second question
2) Are both of these people "politically black" ?
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: If Obama claimed that he was mixed and not Black he would not be president right now. You missunderstand the political power of the term Black and the unity it provides.
In the US it is the only country where Blacks have been accidentally united together under a single ethnic description that was suppose to help control us but instead has given us power to shape our destiny and the land we live in.
And you just missed the trickery pulled on you. The African descended person has been separated from their roots and labeled by skin color.
If Obama claimed that he was mixed and not African American he would not be president right now. You misunderstand the political power of the term African American and the unity it provides. It connects us with our origin and land.
In the US it is the only country where people of African descent have been accidentally united together under a single ethnic description that was suppose to help control us but instead has given us power to shape our destiny and the lands we live in. Yet we still have not accepted "African American" and keep going for the skin color method of identity. Why? Because we are impressed by Europeans and they do it.
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Originally posted by osirion: If Obama claimed that he was mixed and not Black he would not be president right now. You missunderstand the political power of the term Black and the unity it provides.
In the US it is the only country where Blacks have been accidentally united together under a single ethnic description that was suppose to help control us but instead has given us power to shape our destiny and the land we live in.
You seem to be a little behind the curve on this thing.
The Only Reason Obama Was Elected President, Is Because He Is Mixed And His Mother Is "White".
He Does Not Have To Claim Anything, Becasue Whites Know He Is "Mixed" and That Is Why He Can Claim To Be Black Only (Just To Fool Enough Blacks Into Voting For Him, Too).
And, I thought you were a little deeper than the surface examiner!
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quote: Biden's description of Obama draws scrutiny JOE BIDEN
January 31, 2007|From Xuan Thai and Ted Barrett CNN Washington Bureau
Senators Joseph Biden, left, and Barack Obama talk during the Foreign Relations Committee hearing on Iraq on Wednesday.Sen. Joe Biden planned to spend Wednesday focusing on his official announcement that he was running for president, but the Delaware Democrat instead found himself defending remarks he made to the New York Observer about his Democratic opponents.
In the article published Wednesday, Biden is quoted evaluating presidential rivals Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, former Sen. John Edwards, D-North Carolina, and Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois. His remarks about Obama, the only African-American serving in the Senate, drew the most scrutiny.
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."
Biden issued a statement Wednesday afternoon, saying: "I deeply regret any offense my remark in the New York Observer might have caused anyone. That was not my intent and I expressed that to Sen. Obama."
Biden also spoke to reporters in a conference call Wednesday afternoon and said the remark was taken out of context.
"Barack Obama is probably the most exciting candidate that the Democratic or Republican Party has produced at least since I've been around," Biden said on the call. "And he's fresh. He's new. He's smart. He's insightful. And I really regret that some have taken totally out of context my use of the world 'clean.'"
Biden said he was referring to a phrase used by his mother.
"My mother has an expression: clean as a whistle, sharp as a tack," Biden said.
Obama, in a brief off-camera interview in a Senate hallway, said he thinks Biden "didn't intend to offend" anyone.
"He called me," Obama said. "I told him it wasn't necessary. We have got more important things to worry about. We have got Iraq. We have got health care. We have got energy. This is low on the list."
"He was very gracious and I have no problem with Joe Biden," Obama added.
Later on Wednesday, Obama, in a written statement, said "I didn't take Sen. Biden's comments personally, but obviously they were historically inaccurate. African-American presidential candidates like Jesse Jackson, Shirley Chisholm, Carol Moseley Braun and Al Sharpton gave a voice to many important issues through their campaigns, and no one would call them inarticulate."
Earlier in the day, Biden had officially filed the necessary paperwork with the Federal Election Commission to launch a presidential campaign. Biden ran for the White House in 1988, but pulled out of the race before the first votes were cast.
President Obama was deemed to be a Clean African American by many Whites and that is why he got elected!
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Originally posted by osirion: If Obama claimed that he was mixed and not Black he would not be president right now. You missunderstand the political power of the term Black and the unity it provides.
In the US it is the only country where Blacks have been accidentally united together under a single ethnic description that was suppose to help control us but instead has given us power to shape our destiny and the land we live in.
You seem to be a little behind the curve on this thing.
The Only Reason Obama Was Elected President, Is Because He Is Mixed And His Mother Is "White".
He Does Not Have To Claim Anything, Becasue Whites Know He Is "Mixed" and That Is Why He Can Claim To Be Black Only (Just To Fool Enough Blacks Into Voting For Him, Too).
And, I thought you were a little deeper than the surface examiner!
You can add to that;
1. Barack's African father was not a part of his raising.
2. He was raised by his white Jewish mother
3. He was raised by his white grandmother and grandfather.
4. He was raised in Hawaii and Asia. He is not really a native "African American".
5. Obama has never attended or participated in any major historic civil rights event. -He did not attend any event in support of MLK holiday. -He did not attend the Million Man March -He did not attend the International Conference Of Racism -LOL, he didn't even sign John McCain's submitted paperwork to pardon victim of US institutionalized racism, Former Heavyweight Champion, Jack Johnson. -Obama is that black skinned "White" man that whites have been speaking about all these years.
Why black voters gave their overwhelming support to Barack Obama is, as expected, proving to be undoubtedly their greatest folly.
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Originally posted by osirion: If Obama claimed that he was mixed and not Black he would not be president right now. You missunderstand the political power of the term Black and the unity it provides.
In the US it is the only country where Blacks have been accidentally united together under a single ethnic description that was suppose to help control us but instead has given us power to shape our destiny and the land we live in.
You seem to be a little behind the curve on this thing.
The Only Reason Obama Was Elected President, Is Because He Is Mixed And His Mother Is "White".
He Does Not Have To Claim Anything, Becasue Whites Know He Is "Mixed" and That Is Why He Can Claim To Be Black Only (Just To Fool Enough Blacks Into Voting For Him, Too).
And, I thought you were a little deeper than the surface examiner!
Fool Enough Blacks Into Voting For Him
Exactly my point. The label of Black has political power that is useful in our society.
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Originally posted by osirion: If Obama claimed that he was mixed and not Black he would not be president right now. You missunderstand the political power of the term Black and the unity it provides.
In the US it is the only country where Blacks have been accidentally united together under a single ethnic description that was suppose to help control us but instead has given us power to shape our destiny and the land we live in.
You seem to be a little behind the curve on this thing.
The Only Reason Obama Was Elected President, Is Because He Is Mixed And His Mother Is "White".
He Does Not Have To Claim Anything, Becasue Whites Know He Is "Mixed" and That Is Why He Can Claim To Be Black Only (Just To Fool Enough Blacks Into Voting For Him, Too).
And, I thought you were a little deeper than the surface examiner!
Fool Enough Blacks Into Voting For Him
Exactly my point. The label of Black has political power that is useful in our society.
Grouping people of African descent has political power but to call this group of people of African descent "black" is to buy into a skin color based system, arbitrary inaccurate way of labeling as this were the only way to label people of African descent
and notice in the process, the root "Africa" is left out
example:
you hear the term "Black African"
but do you hear
"Black African American" no
it becomes
"Black American"
the "African" part got left out
when it's the "black" (skin color) part that should have gotten left out
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