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Son of Ra
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I'm not holding much hope for this, but check these out...It seems like the supposed Ancient Egyptians trading with the New World is being revisited. What are you guys thoughts?

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/358318-curious-history-ancient-egyptians-may-have-traded-with-the-new-world/?photo=2

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Among certain scientific and historical circles, the idea that other nations visited the Americas before Christopher Columbus made his historic voyage in 1492 is becoming more accepted.

There is a growing supply of evidence to support the existence of Vikings traveling to the New World approximately 1,000 years ago. Other theories even date voyages by Chinese to the Americas sometime around 1420.

But there is suprising evidence of the ancient Egyptians visiting or having other contact with the Americas as early as 1,000 B.C.

The most intriguing finding is out of Munich, Germany, where German scientists Dr. Svetla Balabanova accidentally discovered the presence of nicotine and cocaine in several Egyptian mummies. These mummies were of ruling class and included the mummy of Lady Henut Taui, who died 3,000 years ago.

In 1992, when there was a push for thorough chemical analysis of mummies, a drug test seemed only natural. However, Balabanova did not expect to find significant amounts of substances that were only found in the Americas—nicotine from tobacco and cocaine from the coca plant, which was not exported overseas until the Victorian era.

The tests were first thought to be contaminated. Later, it was thought that the mummies were fakes from when the king of Bavaria originally bought them. But after authentication, countless tests, and similar results with other specimens, it was determined that the unexplainable had to be the truth.

Originally, ancient Egyptians were thought of to be only Nile River travelers with little knowledge of being able to traverse open seas. According to the Archaeology News Network, however, crafts and cargo containers contain evidence that Egyptians could and did travel in open waters, including the Red Sea.

A unique yet unverified theory places ancient Egyptian explorations as far as the American Southwest. Supposedly in 1909, two Smithsonian-funded explorers, S. A. Jordan and G. E. Kinkaid, discovered a series of caves in the Marble Region of the Grand Canyon. The caves were said to contain a variety of Egyptian-like artifacts including tablets with Hieroglyphics. Their experience was published in the Arizona Gazette on April 5, 1909. Unfortunately, the Smithsonian Institution has no records of finding Egyptian artifacts in the American Southwest.

To this day, the extent of ancient Egyptian contact with the Americas remains uncertain. Until more evidence is unearthed, the topic remains in historical limbo.

http://intellihub.com/2013/11/14/did-ancient-egyptians-trade-nicotine-and-cocaine-with-the-new-world/

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It has long been said that Christopher Columbus was not the first foreigner to step foot in the Americas by the time he reached there in 1492.

Among the theories put forward is that the Vikings, Chinese, Greeks, and Italians may have all reached the New World before Columbus. Now new evidence suggests that the ancient Egyptians had been to the Americas as early as 1,000 BC, and for a surprising reason.

German scientist Dr Svetla Balabanova was studying the mummified remains of Lady Henut Taui, a member of the ruling class, when she made a surprising discovery – the mummy contained traces of nicotine and cocaine. Disbelief in the findings led to alternative hypotheses, for example, that the tests were contaminated or the mummies were fakes, but these ideas were disproved and the mummy and the test results were found to be authentic. The results were particularly surprising considering that tobacco and coca plants, which were only found in the Americas at the time, were not exported overseas until the Victorian era in the 19th century.

Could it be that the ancient Egyptians had made it all the way to America 3,000 years ago? A number of archaeological discoveries have certainly suggested that the Egyptians were masters of the seas. In around 1477 BC, Queen Hatshepsut funded a mysterious overseas expedition to the Land of Punt, which is depicted in a relief at Deir el-Bahri (in modern day Luxor). It shows five ships, each measuring about 70 feet long, carrying 210 men and loaded with gold, trees and exotic animals which can only be found along the coast of Africa and Arabian Peninsula, indicating that the Egyptians were able to undertake fairly large scale oceanic voyages. Then, in 2011, a series of remarkable discoveries on a stretch of the Red Sea coast proved the Egyptian’s seafaring abilities.

Archaeologists excavating a dried-up lagoon, known as Mersa Gawasis, unearthed traces of an ancient harbour that once launched early voyages like Hatshepsut’s onto the open ocean. Inside a series of man-made caves they found timber, rigging, limestone anchors, steering oars, reed mats, cedar planks, and the remains of the oldest seagoing ships ever discovered, which offers hard proof of the Egyptians’ nautical roots. Further evidence of an Egyptian journey to the Americas comes from an intriguing but unverified discovery in the Marble Region of the Grand Canyon.

According to the Arizona Gazette, on 5th April, 1909, two Smithsonian-funded explorers found a variety of Egyptian-like artefacts including tablets with hieroglyphics inside caves. However, the Smithsonian Institute has no current records of the finding.

Such a discovery would have offered hard evidence of an Egyptian journey to Americas but perhaps it is just too inconvenient to rewrite the history books and alter long-held traditions such as the Columbus Day celebrations.

What are you guys thoughts on this? Do you think there is a possibility that Ancient Egyptians actually made it to the new world? Or do you disagree? Me...I say we need MORE evidence. Also would this open the doors for a certain someones claim? We all know who that person is.

Anyways Brada-Anansi, please be kind to transfer this to Egyptsearch Reloaded if you wish to do so. [Smile]

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About time the Olmec heads are explained!
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quote:
Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate:
About time the Olmec heads are explained!

I know the Olmec group are going to freak out about this...Anyways I thought cocaine being inside the mummies was proven to be false and some other substance?

Also stay toned for my blog which touches base on claims about Africans reaching the New World.

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quote:
Originally posted by Son of Ra:
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Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate:
[qb] About time the Olmec heads are explained!

I know the Olmec group are going to freak out about this...
Nobody is goingt o freak out, its an old story re-done
with no new information

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
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Originally posted by Son of Ra:
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Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate:
[qb] About time the Olmec heads are explained!

I know the Olmec group are going to freak out about this...
Nobody is goingt o freak out, its an old story re-done
with no new information

Again I thought cocaine in mummy was refuted? They say in the article that it was not and there were many tests. Also they mentioned different finds that proved the Ancient Egyptians tried voyages in the red sea, thats new information to me.
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You have to verify

If there is new information out other sources, reputable ones either mainstream news or science webistes will be carrying the story

go to google "cocaine" mummies, at left search tools past week or month. This will tell you if theres' new info out

check wiki, look for references at bottom for primary sources

also search

Mersa Gawasis ancient harbour Egyptian ships

and set date at left search tools

The authors at Epoch Times hype and exaggerate this stuff

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then you got that statement in the Britsh Museum study aid on West Africa/ Carthage

they gave you the sources at the end of the article, now you can check each one

What authors often do is leave out ambiguities and make assumptions to make their writing more interesting.
They write out the doubts

you need to back track this stuff.

When there is important new info out a news article wil often refers to a journal artcile you can look up where the primary resarch was done

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Bump.
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
You have to verify

If there is new information out other sources, reputable ones either mainstream news or science webistes will be carrying the story

go to google "cocaine" mummies, at left search tools past week or month. This will tell you if theres' new info out

check wiki, look for references at bottom for primary sources

also search

Mersa Gawasis ancient harbour Egyptian ships

and set date at left search tools

The authors at Epoch Times hype and exaggerate this stuff

_____________________

then you got that statement in the Britsh Museum study aid on West Africa/ Carthage

they gave you the sources at the end of the article, now you can check each one

What authors often do is leave out ambiguities and make assumptions to make their writing more interesting.
They write out the doubts

you need to back track this stuff.

When there is important new info out a news article wil often refers to a journal artcile you can look up where the primary resarch was done

Read the OP, I think I said that there needs to be MORE evidence.
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IF there was contact between Egyptians and Americans, I doubt Egyptians would be the only Africans. There had to have been West Africans involved. We don't even have evidence that the Egyptians had extensive trade with West Africa (yet). So why don't archaeologists try to verify evidence of American contact in West Africa??
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^^^Thats what I am saying!

Heck they did it with the Vikings and Chinese, yet not West Africans.

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