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If you read the article directly linked you will understand why I post those studies and quote below...
I already posted the 2011 study called Body Size, Skeletal Biomechanics, Mobility and Habitual Activity from the Late Palaeolithic to the Mid-Dynastic Nile Valley in another thread.
In the same way here below, it seems even lower egyptians before the first dynasty (before the upper egyptians took over to unify egypt and create the AEian state) cluster more with Africans than with West Asians:
quote: Moving to the opposite geographical extremity, the very small sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty (Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline of variation along the Nile valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into southern Palestine.73 The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans. - Ancient Egypt: Anatomy of a Civilisation (Kemp, 2005, p.54)
So while lower egyptian may had closer trading and cultural ties with western asia than say upper egyptians they still were biogically closer to other populations along the Nile (both Sudanese and Egyptian side) and in the surrounding deserts. The admixture between lower egyptians and western asians before the 1st Dynasty was minimal.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: ^^^ what does this remark have to do with this thread?
If you read the article directly linked you will understand why I post those studies and quote below...
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: ^^^ what does this remark have to do with this thread?
It's the I-crave-to-bask-in-old-data sickness that has taken over this forum, rearing its head again. You can act like it's an isolated incident and ask him why he does it or you can recognize a pattern and diagnose it as the rabbid, deranged spam that it is.
Other than that, great find Lioness.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: ^^^ what does this remark have to do with this thread?
It's the I-crave-to-bask-in-old-data sickness that has taken over this forum, rearing its head again. You can act like it's an isolated incident and ask him why he does it or you can recognize a pattern and diagnose it as the rabbid, deranged spam that it is.
If you can't see the relation with the paper called "Prehistoric Regional Cultures" you're retarded.
This is indeed a great site, a lot of info about Ancient Egyptian culture.
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We're just going contextlessly dump information you posted hours ago? No analysis of whatever it was that is supposedly being addressed, no nothing. Never mind me, Ivanvansertimavindicated. Go on, don't you have yet to give in to your craving to randomly post DNA Tribes' analysis or Ramses IIIs haplogroup in this thread, as you always do when nothing whatsoever calls for it? Go on, indulge in your fetishes. After all, you're in like-minded company. No one seems to protest the beating of horses beyond pulp.
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The last thing I care is if my posts please you. Stop acting so butt-hurt. I can post what I want and how I want. You don't get to decide what people should post here. You're an idiot.
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Pulease--as if. The same head up your ass that's making you oblivious to your spamming behavior is making you think that you're a blip on my radar, or anyone's radar for that matter. I never even engaged you; I was talking to Lioness. Like I said, don't mind me. Go on with your spamming. If anything, I encourage you to do what you do best!
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: ^^^ what does this remark have to do with this thread?
It's the I-crave-to-bask-in-old-data sickness that has taken over this forum, rearing its head again. You can act like it's an isolated incident and ask him why he does it or you can recognize a pattern and diagnose it as the rabbid, deranged spam that it is.
Other than that, great find Lioness.
There are posters with different motives.
zarahan and Troll Patrol sometimes discuss or post new data but they are often in propaganda mode. It's not about basking in old data. It's about spreading it On a political level they use repetition to fight what they see as a quantity war of information on the internet. If you see a zarahan graphic or link to it or a Mike111 picture with his famous yellow caption enough you start to get familiar with the brand and it might give a sense of being authoritative (although the former propagandist does use proper references and the latter uses non at all)
Other posters might be only hungry to discuss the latest new article but they have a political mission, to spread by repetition, similar to an advertising approach, what they see as basic truths about the ethnicity of ancient civilizations
Amun Ra does it too sometimes, like he'll post the DNATribes Amarna MLI chart over and over again in threads where it's not directly related to the converstation as a sort of defence move. When information is used like this it's being used for politcal propaganda. I'm not saying it's wrong to have this political mission for a black Egypt. And of course Clyde has a ton of mega post info we see over and over again, going back to the 70s It can be annoying when one is trying to stick to analyzing new information and sticking closely to the detail of a topic It's like your watching a TV show and a long infomercial that you've seen before comes on. It's as if they stop talking to you and they pause to inform first time viewers on what they thing are basic truths on the general subject rather than specific to the argument. But sometimes it's done with huge mega long size posts if they don't like a person's point of view politcially. They will try to swamp such posts with one extremely long or several long posts in a row of information which may or may not be good but is not directly related to the specific part of the conversation going on. This is the format battle approach, half debate related information and half simply putting up huge amounts of old text and charts, which they have posted many times before as a visual stompout technique for brand promotion
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quote: Originally posted by lioness, It's not about basking in old data. It's about spreading it
I've never said otherwise. It's not an either/or situation, either. There clearly is a basking aspect to it because when you're just in it to spread information, you're not going to stigmatize the discussion of certain haplogroups like mtDNA U6 and demand to long standing ES members that certain data you happen to like, ought to be discussed instead.
Moreover, when you have political motives for spreading whatever it is that you want the public to know, your emotional attachment to the data you have can be measured by how balanced you are in presenting the evidence. When was the last time you've seen the recently observed aDNA haplogroup I from Pusch et al 2013 brought up by Amun Ra with the intention of discussing it, just like any other haplogroup? When was the last time you've seen him bring up NRY F-M89 marked Y chromosomes in Meroitic aDNA, or some of Fox et al 1999's likely non mtDNA L types? In fact, when these mtDNAs are discussed he'll chastize you for not basking in Ramses IIIs haplogroup, instead, as if science leaves one with a choice to arbitrarily decide what to discuss and what not to discuss.
You must have been under a rock to come to the conclusion that he's not using these data almost exclusively for therapeutic reasons.
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Many of those titles could make great threads. We could discuss a bit Ancient Egyptian culture and history outside the bio-origin angle.
Maybe we can see parallels too with other African culture and history. Nobody needs to be expert to discuss history.
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^ An asshole by definition is someone who spews out sh*t every chance he/she gets. And it is YOU who meets that criteria, dear. And now that I'm back I guess I'll have to retake my janitorial duties in flushing you sh*t down the toilet where it belongs. Posts: 26243 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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