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Here is the study you requested (download it from my sendspace). I decided to make a thread to post the links to all of the studies I uploaded that are usually inaccessible:
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Ah, after decades of wanting to own an up to date es~Sa'adi translation not the antiquated French one. Words cannot express my thanks. U r a hero!
But what's with Hunwick? Does he have a life outside the dust of pre-industrial W. Africa? Mali's president needs to "knight" him.
quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: Here's a few books I have buried away:
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Happy to have helped. And yea, that Hunwick is definitely an overachiever. It's like he aspires to be the sole repository for all Sudanic knowledge. He's put out some excellent work.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Ah, after decades of wanting to own an up to date es~Sa'adi translation not the antiquated French one. Words cannot express my thanks. U r a hero!
But what's with Hunwick? Does he have a life outside the dust of pre-industrial W. Africa? Mali's president needs to "knight" him.
quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: Here's a few books I have buried away:
^^Don't know how to open up the format the supplements are in. A 'fas' format? Any clues?
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^It says it analyses hair from multiple geographic areas, might be interesting if it aamples varied African areas
Note on Five Pelves of Women of the Eleventh Dynasty in Egypt - D. E. Derry
^ mentions the hair characteristics of a few Southern Egyptian/Nubian mummies, says that its curly, but we need the full text to see what cross section index was observed
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^^Study 1 looks shaky on a number of points. It does not detail exactly what local areas its purported 'African' samples are from, and then they casually try to relate 'differences' to genetics. North Africa for example in several studies and in official UN geographic documents includes huge parts of Chad, Niger, Mali and the northern Sudan. Any claimed "North African" data needs to include these areas, or specifically say who and what locality is being sampled so readers can know their provenance. Not surprisingly, the authors dodge such specificity.
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Found a treasure trove!! Credit to "One Kamit".
quote:Black History Book Packs Here is some African History and Revolutionnary Books
BLACK HISTORY BOOKS PACK 1:
includes the following books:
African Origins of World Religions Bantu Origins (People & Language) - A.T. Bryant Cheikh Anta Diop - Civilization of Barbarism Cheikh Anta Diop - Cultural Unity of Black Africa Cheikh Anta Diop - Precolonial Black Africa Cheikh Anta Diop -The African Origin of Civilization Julian Baldick - Black God Wonderful Ethiopians 1926 Book The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors - Kersey Graves the_kebra_negast The Two Babylons & more (311.07 MB)
Chancellor Williams - Destruction of Black Civilization Ivan Van Sertima - Early America Revisited Ivan Van Sertima - They Came Before Columbus J A Rogers - World's Great Men Of Color Vol.1 J A Rogers - World's Great Men Of Color Vol.2 Rudolph R Windsor - From Babylon 2 Timbuktu The Truth About Black People And Their Place In World History & a few more things (300.54 MB)
includes the following books: - Martin Bernal - Black Athena Vol. 1 - Martin Bernal - Black Athena Vol.2 - Martin Bernal - Black Athena Rights Back - A deeper discussion on "black greeks" & more (347.95 MB)
includes the following books: - J.A. Rogers - The 5 Negro Presidents - David M. Goldberg - The Curse of Ham - Sylvester A. Johnson - The Myth of Ham in 19th Century American Christianity - The Nation of Islam - Secret Relationships Between Blacks & Jews - James Duffy - A Question of Slavery - some books by W.E.B. Du Bois & alot more ! (242.1 MB)
Akil - There Are Only 2 Religions In The Whole World John G. Jackson - Ethiopia & The Origin of Civilization Runoko Rashidi & Ivan Van Sertima - African Presence in Early Asia Yosef ben Jochannan - Cultural Genocide in Black & African Studies Curriculum Chaldea from the Earliest Times...
Ben Ammi - God, The Black Man & Truth J.A. Rogers - The Ku Klux Spirit J.A. Rogers - The Real Facts About Ethiopia J.A. Rogers - Your History (From Beginning To Present) J.A. Freeman & Don Griffin - Return To Glory (Powerful Stirring of The Black Man)
Dr. John L. Johnson - 500 Questions & Answers On Black Presence In The Bible Robert Livesey & A.G. Smith - Discovering Canada's Black Heritage Rudolph R. Windsor - Judea Trembles Under Rome Rudolph R. Windsor - The Valley of Dry Bones Rudolph R. Windsor - When Is The Next War + a book on Nelson Mandela - A Long Walk To Freedom + ...
George Wells Parker - Children of The Sun Mano Warren - The Truth Sings In Circles (Trail of The Black Madonna) The River Niger (Discovery & Commerce In Central Africa) + Bertrand Pepin - Semiramis - Heaven`s Loved One Gerald Massey - Darkness 1st Adversary or Devil & Serpent Gerald Massey - The Natural Genesis (Vol.1 & 2) & Lectures Goefrey Higgins - Anacalypsis (vol. 1 & 2) Drunvalo Melchizedek - The Ancient Secret of The Flower of Life and alot more...
quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: Found a treasure trove!! Credit to "One Kamit".
quote:Black History Book Packs Here is some African History and Revolutionnary Books
BLACK HISTORY BOOKS PACK 1:
includes the following books:
African Origins of World Religions Bantu Origins (People & Language) - A.T. Bryant Cheikh Anta Diop - Civilization of Barbarism Cheikh Anta Diop - Cultural Unity of Black Africa Cheikh Anta Diop - Precolonial Black Africa Cheikh Anta Diop -The African Origin of Civilization Julian Baldick - Black God Wonderful Ethiopians 1926 Book The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors - Kersey Graves the_kebra_negast The Two Babylons & more (311.07 MB)
Chancellor Williams - Destruction of Black Civilization Ivan Van Sertima - Early America Revisited Ivan Van Sertima - They Came Before Columbus J A Rogers - World's Great Men Of Color Vol.1 J A Rogers - World's Great Men Of Color Vol.2 Rudolph R Windsor - From Babylon 2 Timbuktu The Truth About Black People And Their Place In World History & a few more things (300.54 MB)
includes the following books: - Martin Bernal - Black Athena Vol. 1 - Martin Bernal - Black Athena Vol.2 - Martin Bernal - Black Athena Rights Back - A deeper discussion on "black greeks" & more (347.95 MB)
includes the following books: - J.A. Rogers - The 5 Negro Presidents - David M. Goldberg - The Curse of Ham - Sylvester A. Johnson - The Myth of Ham in 19th Century American Christianity - The Nation of Islam - Secret Relationships Between Blacks & Jews - James Duffy - A Question of Slavery - some books by W.E.B. Du Bois & alot more ! (242.1 MB)
Akil - There Are Only 2 Religions In The Whole World John G. Jackson - Ethiopia & The Origin of Civilization Runoko Rashidi & Ivan Van Sertima - African Presence in Early Asia Yosef ben Jochannan - Cultural Genocide in Black & African Studies Curriculum Chaldea from the Earliest Times...
Ben Ammi - God, The Black Man & Truth J.A. Rogers - The Ku Klux Spirit J.A. Rogers - The Real Facts About Ethiopia J.A. Rogers - Your History (From Beginning To Present) J.A. Freeman & Don Griffin - Return To Glory (Powerful Stirring of The Black Man)
Dr. John L. Johnson - 500 Questions & Answers On Black Presence In The Bible Robert Livesey & A.G. Smith - Discovering Canada's Black Heritage Rudolph R. Windsor - Judea Trembles Under Rome Rudolph R. Windsor - The Valley of Dry Bones Rudolph R. Windsor - When Is The Next War + a book on Nelson Mandela - A Long Walk To Freedom + ...
George Wells Parker - Children of The Sun Mano Warren - The Truth Sings In Circles (Trail of The Black Madonna) The River Niger (Discovery & Commerce In Central Africa) + Bertrand Pepin - Semiramis - Heaven`s Loved One Gerald Massey - Darkness 1st Adversary or Devil & Serpent Gerald Massey - The Natural Genesis (Vol.1 & 2) & Lectures Goefrey Higgins - Anacalypsis (vol. 1 & 2) Drunvalo Melchizedek - The Ancient Secret of The Flower of Life and alot more...
quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: Found a treasure trove!! Credit to "One Kamit".
quote:Black History Book Packs Here is some African History and Revolutionnary Books
BLACK HISTORY BOOKS PACK 1:
includes the following books:
African Origins of World Religions Bantu Origins (People & Language) - A.T. Bryant Cheikh Anta Diop - Civilization of Barbarism Cheikh Anta Diop - Cultural Unity of Black Africa Cheikh Anta Diop - Precolonial Black Africa Cheikh Anta Diop -The African Origin of Civilization Julian Baldick - Black God Wonderful Ethiopians 1926 Book The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors - Kersey Graves the_kebra_negast The Two Babylons & more (311.07 MB)
Chancellor Williams - Destruction of Black Civilization Ivan Van Sertima - Early America Revisited Ivan Van Sertima - They Came Before Columbus J A Rogers - World's Great Men Of Color Vol.1 J A Rogers - World's Great Men Of Color Vol.2 Rudolph R Windsor - From Babylon 2 Timbuktu The Truth About Black People And Their Place In World History & a few more things (300.54 MB)
includes the following books: - Martin Bernal - Black Athena Vol. 1 - Martin Bernal - Black Athena Vol.2 - Martin Bernal - Black Athena Rights Back - A deeper discussion on "black greeks" & more (347.95 MB)
includes the following books: - J.A. Rogers - The 5 Negro Presidents - David M. Goldberg - The Curse of Ham - Sylvester A. Johnson - The Myth of Ham in 19th Century American Christianity - The Nation of Islam - Secret Relationships Between Blacks & Jews - James Duffy - A Question of Slavery - some books by W.E.B. Du Bois & alot more ! (242.1 MB)
Akil - There Are Only 2 Religions In The Whole World John G. Jackson - Ethiopia & The Origin of Civilization Runoko Rashidi & Ivan Van Sertima - African Presence in Early Asia Yosef ben Jochannan - Cultural Genocide in Black & African Studies Curriculum Chaldea from the Earliest Times...
Ben Ammi - God, The Black Man & Truth J.A. Rogers - The Ku Klux Spirit J.A. Rogers - The Real Facts About Ethiopia J.A. Rogers - Your History (From Beginning To Present) J.A. Freeman & Don Griffin - Return To Glory (Powerful Stirring of The Black Man)
Dr. John L. Johnson - 500 Questions & Answers On Black Presence In The Bible Robert Livesey & A.G. Smith - Discovering Canada's Black Heritage Rudolph R. Windsor - Judea Trembles Under Rome Rudolph R. Windsor - The Valley of Dry Bones Rudolph R. Windsor - When Is The Next War + a book on Nelson Mandela - A Long Walk To Freedom + ...
George Wells Parker - Children of The Sun Mano Warren - The Truth Sings In Circles (Trail of The Black Madonna) The River Niger (Discovery & Commerce In Central Africa) + Bertrand Pepin - Semiramis - Heaven`s Loved One Gerald Massey - Darkness 1st Adversary or Devil & Serpent Gerald Massey - The Natural Genesis (Vol.1 & 2) & Lectures Goefrey Higgins - Anacalypsis (vol. 1 & 2) Drunvalo Melchizedek - The Ancient Secret of The Flower of Life and alot more...
quote:Originally posted by Kalonji: Will read it later
Read it and I agree with what is already said by Zaharan and CB.
Will add that the closeness of the North African sample to Europeans is inconsistent with what we know about their hybrid status, as documented in their lineages. **If** their North African sample is representative of said hybrid type, this may be taken to indicate that a significant portion of the closeness of their NA sample to Euros can be attributed to already present indigenous variation.
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quote:In a recent publication, Bosch et al. (2001) reported on Y-chromosome variation in populations from northwestern (NW) Africa and the Iberian peninsula. They observed a high degree of genetic homogeneity among the NW African Y chromosomes of Moroccan Arabs, Moroccan Berbers, and Saharawis, leading the authors to hypothesize that “the Arabization and Islamization of NW Africa, starting during the 7th century ad, … [were] cultural phenomena without extensive genetic replacement” (p. 1023). H71 (Eu10) was found to be the second-most-frequent haplogroup in that area. Following the hypothesis of Semino et al. (2000), the authors suggested that this haplogroup had spread out from the Middle East with the Neolithic wave of advance. Our recent findings (Nebel et al. 2000, 2001), however, suggest that the majority of Eu10 chromosomes in NW Africa are due to recent gene flow caused by the migration of Arabian tribes in the first millennium of the Common Era (ce).
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The interesting thing here is that other haplogroups with a supposed Neolithic origin from the Near East, have very low frequencies in Egypt. On the other hand, haplogroup J reaches significant frequencies which is more suggestive of recent demographic events as noted by Cadenas et al. (2007). So while the expansion time seems Neolithic, the high frequencies seem recent.
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quote:Originally posted by Calabooz': The interesting thing here is that other haplogroups with a supposed Neolithic origin from the Near East, have very low frequencies in Egypt.
Please help refresh my memory: what would those haplogroups be?
quote:So while the expansion time seems Neolithic, the high frequencies seem recent.
What would account for this? Were these haplogroups always trickling into Egypt but at insignificant levels until historical times?
Another thing I find weird is the fact that while Europe received significant immigration from Southwest Asia during the Neolithic, Egypt apparently didn't experience such mass colonization (or at least mass population replacement). Did Neolithic SW Asian farmers find Europe a more enticing place for settlement than the Nile Valley, or did the Nilotes put up more resistance than European hunter-gatherers?
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quote:Please help refresh my memory: what would those haplogroups be?
I thought G and T had Neolithic origins although G may be recent.
quote:What would account for this? Were these haplogroups always trickling into Egypt but at insignificant levels until historical times?
Well, recent events may account for the high frequency in Egypt. Don't recall the STR variation at the moment, but if it is high than it may have reached Egypt during the Neolithic. However Cadenas et al. (2007) says that recent events may be the reason for elevated frequency. It looks like northeast Africa was more effected by recent events than say
quote:Another thing I find weird is the fact that while Europe received significant immigration from Southwest Asia during the Neolithic, Egypt apparently didn't experience such mass colonization (or at least mass population replacement). Did Neolithic SW Asian farmers find Europe a more enticing place for settlement than the Nile Valley, or did the Nilotes put up more resistance than European hunter-gatherers?
In the Nile Valley they only over time developed a dependence on Agriculture and adopted Near Eastern domesticates gradually into an indigenous foraging strategy. Maybe the case wasn't the same for Europe.
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