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Than as a valid linguistic category. Languages like Mande just don't fit into the Niger-Congo catebory linguistically but because of shared so called "true Negro" physical morphology I believe they along with bantu languages have been lumped into one Niger-Congo category. Thoughts?
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quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: ^^^Troll
Don't be ridiculous, even Fulani, you racist assholes like so much are classified as Niger-Congo.
Troll? How, I mention Mande language specifically, there is gaining opinion that Mande languages don't belong to Niger-Congo at all but may in fact be its own language family.
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^^^You're not even a linguist, and you're a racist asshole, so I don't care what you idiot think or wish.
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quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: ^^^You're not even a linguist, and you're a racist asshole, so I don't care what you idiot think or wish.
How am I being racist? DId you even grasp what I initially said? I was saying in essence that languages called "Niger-Congo" are likely classed as such based on shared physical characteristics of the people. Indeed at one time Niger-Congo was divided into Negro and Bantu languages
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^^The more you talk, the more you sound like a racist idiot. Give it up. You're not a linguist, so shut up for your own sakes.
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quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: ^^^Troll
Don't be ridiculous, even Fulani, you racist assholes like so much are classified as Niger-Congo.
I don't believe that he is a racist. I think he has become so confused trying to support European scholarship without making his own evaluation of the research,that he can not accept the fact that everything you read may not be the god-given truth.
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Man you're being obtuse, lol
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A statement was made. No evidence was given. Without support it is no more than a private opinion.
Those doubting existence or family relationship of 'AsioAfrican' languages at least attempt to back up their 'belief' with some set of linguistic facts.
Still, it is childish to counter an argument about languages by calling its presenter a racist. To do that shows a complete lack of the meaning of the word racist and the struggle people like Chazz actually waged against racism back in the days of its virulence.
You make a joke of the sweat in toil and the blood shed from those who battled colonialism, apartheid, jim crow and other institutional racisms.
No black man on this board denied anybody human rights employment housing education etc.
You make yourself like unto a fool when you call any black contributor to ES racist simply because you disagree with what they say. It shows you never once encountered racism in your life less lone involved in any fight against racism, past or present.
Your selfish use of 'racist' is no more than a wildcard to gain personal sympathy from emotional driven readers in lieu of point by point analysis to dismantle opposing arguments that you don't like.
What a despicable show of grandstanding.
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quote:External Classification: Mande is thought to belong to the Niger-Congo phylum. However, its affiliation to Niger-Congo is disputed and some authors think that it is an independent family. If it does belong to Niger-Congo, it must have separated early from the ancestor language as it doesn't share with the rest of the family the noun-class system.
I was simply saying that I'm beginning to doubt Niger-Congo as a huge language family for reasons like this above.
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: A statement was made. No evidence was given. Without support it is no more than a private opinion.
Those doubting existence or family relationship of 'AsioAfrican' languages at least attempt to back up their 'belief' with some set of linguistic facts.
Still, it is childish to counter an argument about languages by calling its presenter a racist. To do that shows a complete lack of the meaning of the word racist and the struggle people like Chazz actually waged against racism back in the days of its virulence.
You make a joke of the sweat in toil and the blood shed from those who battled colonialism, apartheid, jim crow and other institutional racisms.
No black man on this board denied anybody human rights employment housing education etc.
You make yourself like unto a fool when you call any black contributor to ES racist simply because you disagree with what they say. It shows you never once encountered racism in your life less lone involved in any fight against racism, past or present.
Your selfish use of 'racist' is no more than a wildcard to gain personal sympathy from emotional driven readers in lieu of point by point analysis to dismantle opposing arguments that you don't like.
What a despicable show of grandstanding.
That's ridiculous. You either are racist or you're not. Hitler was maybe one of the worst racist in history, but there's other stupid racists in the world you don't have to look back at the civil right movements. Just consider Rupert Murdoch statement discussed in the other thread in the Ancient Egypt forum. As for the black/white/xyz identity of posters, I judge them by their posts not by what they claim to be.
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You are a very inattentive twister.
SMH. After being told you still have absolutely no idea of what racism is, past or present, like I said.
You sound like an 8 year old. Grow up.
Instead of crying like a baby to appeal to those on your emotional level try posting the reasoning behind why Greenberg's Niger-Kordofanian is not typological.
Everything else you have to say is worthy of nothing but ridicule especially your baby-like rants:
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^^You're the one who sounds like an 8 year old now.
The racists on this forum are always of the same type: supporting the hamitic race myth based on racist pseudo-science from the 18th Century which has been debunked decades ago. The idea was to create a connection between Ancient Egypt and Eurasian (European, West Asian) but denying the connection between Ancient Egypt and black Africans. It's funny to see them crawl back to where they came from when you mentions E-P2 (E1b1), the common haplogroup lineage between East and West Africans. The fact that Ramses III is E1b1a (common in West Africans and African-Americans) and that both the 18th and 20th royal family cluster with Sub-Saharan African populations on the autosomal STR results also got them running away looking for cover.
To not spot those you would have to be a real imbecile.
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Quit clowning troll.
If you want to see racism at work just go to Ancient Egypt forum and read any posts by Mike111 (not that he's black because he is not but dupes blacks emotionally like you try but fail to do with your weak trademark "you're racist" ranting, shut up w/that **** already junior).
No Blacks here are anti-black racists. Keep proving how a real imbecile operates also a weasler who shouts 'racist' to hide his inability to present facts and data but resorts to emotiona appeal grandstanding who is totally obtuse and oblivious as far as what racism is.
You wouldn't know what a racist is if they were peering through the glass ceiling that prevents you from rising to the top in your chosen career while you train the white new employee who will shortly become your boss.
Challenging Greenberg's linguistic conclusions is not racism. Quit acting like a dolt and bring us some linguistic reasoning behind your disagreement instead of derailing the thread topic by going on and on and proving you live in a make believe world of your own who's magic conclusion to any and every thing you don't like is RACIST just like the little boy in that gif Beyoku posted.
ARtU: "I don't like the shirt you're wearing. You're a racist!"
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Indeed AMun Ra needs to start laying down some specifics as to Bass' query. And Bass is a veteran ANTI-RACIST for well nigh a decade on this and similar boards. Quit with the wild accusations and put some specifics on the floor.
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quote:Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: Indeed AMun Ra needs to start laying down some specifics as to Bass' query. And Bass is a veteran ANTI-RACIST for well nigh a decade on this and similar boards. Quit with the wild accusations and put some specifics on the floor.
You know his charge of racism is bogus because I don't see how its racism to suggest that languages classed together as "Niger-Congo" were done to fit stereotypical "True Negro" races, we've seen similar type things happen with Afro-Asiatic when some scholars regarded them as "Caucasoid languages," and put Fulani among Afro-Asiatic over Chadic which is a true Afro-Asiatic language. I simply suggested as an example the classification of Mande Languages as being Niger-Congo as one example. Some scholars consider Mande to be its own language family, just like some scholars contend Songhai is its own language independent of Nilo-Saharan
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Food for thought. Chadic languages were EXCLUDED from "Afro-Asiatic" for this exact same reason....They are spoken by "Negroids" in Sub Saharan Africa and didnt "fit the part."
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I disagree because Fulani is apart of Niger-Congo language and they have what we call "elongated" features. Not very "true Negroid"
Also I always held the idea that Mande language was a very early branch of Niger-Congo. Some linguistics attest to that.
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And yeah saying Bass is a "racist" is the most ridiculous thing I never IIRC he's "Game Theory" from biodiveristy forum who is well known and is one of the most anti-racist members on that site.
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quote:Originally posted by beyoku: Food for thought. Chadic languages were EXCLUDED from "Afro-Asiatic" for this exact same reason....They are spoken by "Negroids" in Sub Saharan Africa and didnt "fit the part."
I agree with this, that's why I insist languages be classified based on purely linguistic evidence and not on race or physical characteristics. Indeed, there are still some who insist, albeit a small minority, that Chadic languages are still not Afro-Asiatic because Chadic speakers look "true Negro." At one time all cattle herder/pastoral peoples were said to speak "Hamitic" languages.
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quote:Originally posted by BlessedbyHorus: I disagree because Fulani is apart of Niger-Congo language and they have what we call "elongated" features. Not very "true Negroid"
Also I always held the idea that Mande language was a very early branch of Niger-Congo. Some linguistics attest to that.
If it was indeed a very early offshoot of Niger-Congo why is it so divergent? That Fulani is "Niger-Congo" is attested to, in some respects the Fulani language is said to be "Semi-Bantu" like
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quote:Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: Indeed AMun Ra needs to start laying down some specifics as to Bass' query. And Bass is a veteran
Are you talking about this Charlie Bass or the one with periods at both ends?:
quote:Originally posted by .Charlie Bass.: That Fulani is "Niger-Congo" is attested to,
Yeah, but Fulani disprove your stupid notion that linguists classify people based on their phenotype. They are linguists not racist forum members with a mind set in the 18th Century. A notion from you alone that was based on a knee-jerk reaction anyway. East African populations don't all look the same (even if they share E-P2/E1b1b in great proportion), not more than West Africans do. Even if you have a relatively small or large AVERAGE for a phenotype it doesn't mean you don't have a great RANGE. This speak to the diversity of African phenotypes in all African populations. This is common sense.
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After cooling I realize the below is what I should've posted
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C'mon man. You've proven you have skill enough to go toe to toe against any ES poster and often enough win.
So why even resort to name calling (racist) when you can and have presented fully cited exerpts and charts from the pros while your opponents put up captionless unsourced stuff?
Just do the same here, please.
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quote:Originally posted by .Charlie Bass.: That Fulani is "Niger-Congo" is attested to,
Yeah, but Fulani disprove your stupid notion that linguists classify people based on their phenotype. They are linguists not racist forum members with a mind set in the 18th Century. A notion that was based on a knee-jerk reaction anyway. East African populations don't all look the same (even if they share E-P2/E1b1b in great proportion), not more than West Africans do. Even if you have a relatively small or large AVERAGE for a phenotype doesn't mean you don't have a great RANGE. This speak to the diversity of African phenotypes in all African populations. This is common sense.
Only after serious linguistic studies did they prove Fulani belongs in the Niger Congo family, but even if their language was its own family they are still black people regardless so I don't see your point. Some languages are disputed as being part of families.
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So why even resort to name calling (racist) when you can and have presented fully cited exerpts and charts from the pros while your opponents put up captionless unsourced stuff?
Still it does say something when my "opponent" post racists (oops, I said the word!) captionless unsourced stuff from the 18th century. Don't you think?
BTW, all the hamitic myth stuff has been debunked and classified as being racist in many (modern) publications. So I'm not the one who put hamitic myth stupidity and racism together in the same sentence. I won't put up with it without calling a spade a spade
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So why even resort to name calling (racist) when you can and have presented fully cited exerpts and charts from the pros while your opponents put up captionless unsourced stuff?
Still it does say something when my "opponent" post racists (oops, I said the word!) captionless unsourced stuff from the 18th century. Don't you think?
BTW, all the hamitic myth stuff has been debunked and classified as being racist in many (modern) publications. So I'm not the one who put hamitic myth stupidity and racism together in the same sentence. I won't put up with it without calling a spade a spade
This guy ^^^^^smh, what did I post that was racist? I simply said that I think that what they class as the Niger-Congo language family was large done and based on racially characteristics. Yes, after more extensive studies languages thought to not be a part of this family due to racial typology have been included in it, but at any rate you have languages like Mande languages which have been shown to be highly divergent to the point that some scholars feel they form an independent language family of their own. Please explain to me how this is racist? The same people are still black whether they speak languages within the same family or not, but in your damn twisted mind all Africans cluster together in one tight unit genetically and linguistically when they is not the case, thus that is why you don't believe in an Afro-Asiatic language family.
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For the first part of your post. Linguist don't classify people based on racist topology from the 18th century (which for some reason you seem to still believe). They use linguistic knowledge and methodology to do so. Only an idiot can't understand this.
quote:Originally posted by .Charlie Bass.: but in your damn twisted mind all Africans cluster together in one tight unit genetically and linguistically when they is not the case, thus that is why you don't believe in an Afro-Asiatic language family.
I knew this was all about a knee-jerk reaction from what I demonstrated in other threads.
Yes, African people share a lot of ancestry but it's very remote but still post-OOA. Since that time they had more than enough time to become their own people.
Is it my fault of most African populations, namely East and West/Southern Africans share the same E-M96 haplogroup? Which they share after the OOA migration? Same thing for various other haplogroups?
Is is my fault if East and West African cluster together autosomally relatively to other human populations?
Is is my fault if East and West Africans share ancestry between each others from a time period AFTER the OOA migrations?
You're making too much of a case for a common origin that is ultimately remote but still more recent than the OOA migrations.
All I say is 100% true, but I like to repeat it to piss off racist assholes which used to come to this forum trying to promote the debunked hamitic myth. For example, mentioning E-P2 anger them since this is an haplogroup shared between East and West Africans but not shared with Eurasians and OOA migrants. Same for the genetic distance between populations (especially if you remove the considerable recent Eurasian admixtures in modern East Africans, but even without doing so). I'm just doing that to pissed them off, but in reality, while yes, East and Wet African share a common origin. This common origin is remote, but still AFTER the OOA migrations. Since that time East and West Africans, as well as subgroups from those populations, had more than enough time to become their own people.
All this is also an interest of me, because I'm interested in populations history.
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Well actually Obenga is accused of racial typology as the basis for his Egyptien Ancien Copt Negro-Africaine Modern superphylum, a point that's been argued back and forth here over the last decade.
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Well actually Obenga is accused of racial typology as the basis for his Egyptien Ancien Copt Negro-Africaine Modern superphylum, a point that's been argued back and forth here over the last decade.
I could understand why people would think that but Obenga's linguistic analysis seems pretty tight (he's a real linguist). But Obenga's Negro-Egyptian language phylum had no bearing on the common E-P2 origin of East and West Africans in North-Eastern Africa. Those are 2 completely different subjects. If Semitic is truly part of the Afro-Asiatic family, and since the Afro-Asiatic homeland is usually placed in Africa, it would only mean that pre-Semitic Eurasian people switched their languages to an African one, which we now know as Afro-Asiatic.
As you can see this has no bearing on the common GENETIC and HISTORICAL origin of both modern East and West Africans in North-Eastern Africa.
Even if the Afro-Asiatic homeland, would be among Eurasian populations in West Asia, it would just means modern East Africans switched languages after their separation from modern West Africans. We know for sure some already did (recently) since some of those populations are Semitic speakers (ethio-semitic).
It's not a biggy for me. This has no effect on the common genetic and historical origin of East and West Africans.
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There has been no reconstructed proto-Niger Congo, you have proto Bantu and proto-Mande, but NO proto Niger Congo.
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quote:Originally posted by BlessedbyHorus: I disagree because Fulani is apart of Niger-Congo language and they have what we call "elongated" features. Not very "true Negroid"
Also I always held the idea that Mande language was a very early branch of Niger-Congo. Some linguistics attest to that.
If it was indeed a very early offshoot of Niger-Congo why is it so divergent? That Fulani is "Niger-Congo" is attested to, in some respects the Fulani language is said to be "Semi-Bantu" like
I mean is that it would have been an early split and thus it would be distant from the other languages.
Also never heard of Fulani being semi-Bantu. Interesting.
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Another interesting topic is that some linguistics believe "Bantu" language may not even be a language. The early linguistic just grouped together words that sounded similar in Africa and thus the Bantu language. Some Bantu's even say they have different origins instead being from southwest Africa. For example the Zulu's state they came from Egypt/North Africa iirc. Kenyan Bantu's also state they come from the Nile Valley. IDK just a topic to look into.
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quote:Originally posted by BlessedbyHorus: I disagree because Fulani is apart of Niger-Congo language and they have what we call "elongated" features. Not very "true Negroid"
Also I always held the idea that Mande language was a very early branch of Niger-Congo. Some linguistics attest to that.
If it was indeed a very early offshoot of Niger-Congo why is it so divergent? That Fulani is "Niger-Congo" is attested to, in some respects the Fulani language is said to be "Semi-Bantu" like
I mean is that it would have been an early split and thus it would be distant from the other languages.
Also never heard of Fulani being semi-Bantu. Interesting.
I was speaking of their language being described as semi-Bantu because of the robust use of noun classes, one the most distinctive characteristics of Niger-Congo languages and Bantu languages in particular.
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Cmon .Charlie Bass. you will really make stupid assessment about me and my positions then run for cover after I answer you? Posts: 2981 | Registered: Jan 2012
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quote:Originally posted by BlessedbyHorus: I disagree because Fulani is apart of Niger-Congo language and they have what we call "elongated" features. Not very "true Negroid"
Also I always held the idea that Mande language was a very early branch of Niger-Congo. Some linguistics attest to that.
If it was indeed a very early offshoot of Niger-Congo why is it so divergent? That Fulani is "Niger-Congo" is attested to, in some respects the Fulani language is said to be "Semi-Bantu" like
I mean is that it would have been an early split and thus it would be distant from the other languages.
That's a fair assessment of the situation. But don't believe a word coming out of this .Charlie Bass. character writings. Double check everything from valid sources. In fact, this goes for every info you get from the web including mine (even if I'm 100% right of course, ok 99.9% right. Let's leave perfection to god )
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quote: ATLANTIC The Atlantic or Senegalo-Guinean languages have given linguists problems ever since they were first recorded. "Their present distribution, their interrelationships with one another and with other West African languages and the origin of their most salient grammatical features are still subjects of speculation" (Bendor-Samuel 81). The major languages of this group include Fula (with several million speakers scattered across Africa), Wolof (with nearly two million speakers in Senegambia), The Diola cluster (nearly 400,000 speakers mainly in the Casamance province of Senegal), Serer (600,000 speakers near Kaolak in Senegal), and Temne (over 600,000 speakers in Sierra Leone) (Bendor Samuel 81). One of the major "conundrums" about Atlantic languages has to do with the often very Bantu-like class systems which they share with other West African languages. These similarities have earned them the name "semi-Bantu" or "Bantoid." Early scholars thought that these similarities were due in large part to borrowing but more recent study shows that this is due to a class system (Bendor-Samuel 83).
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^^^Bottom line, you make false statement about me and my positions and you still running away looking for cover when I answer you.
So what's the point?
I lay down my argumentations to disprove what you said about my argumentations but since you don't have anything to say to contradict them, you fall back to being irritated?
Yes, you're also an idiot because, because the quote above show to us that all Niger-Congo languages are related. Atlantic languages share a class like system with West African languages (at least remnants of it) and with Bantu languages.
I recall, you're the one who made false statements about me and my positions in the post above, which I answered you there:
Still looking for you to answer it without claiming to be irritated instead. If you don't next time shut the fuk up about me and my positions. You're just trolling. Everything I say is back by facts. What you say is only knee-jerk reactions from a stupid racist who clearly still believes in the hamitic race crap (which is stupid since East and West Africans share a common E-P2 origins in Eastern Africa after the OOA migrations). You have proved it by not answering my reply to you made with ARGUMENTATIONS. You disagree with me not because, you think my argumentation is false, but because of a stupid racist knee-jerk reaction.
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Can you guys quit the **** and start backing up your opinions on linguistics with some intelligence?
Believe it or not some reader may want to learn the pro and con points about the topic and doesn't give a flying **** what you two think of each other personally.
Oh and by the way posting charts and **** without posting their captions, knowing who authored them, or where to go to get their full context, is just a waste of space.
And here I thought you all wanted to raise the bar and make EGYPTOLOGY forum a place where learners can turn to.
~ Ardo ~
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quote:Originally posted by Red, White, and Blue + Christian: I read that Mande was in between Niger-Congo and Afro-Asiatic (Berber) which makes snse since they live near by.
At the risk of angering Ardo, this is nonsense. At least provide sources so we can "learn".
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quote:Originally posted by Red, White, and Blue + Christian: I read that Mande was in between Niger-Congo and Afro-Asiatic (Berber) which makes snse since they live near by.
The Bambara word for SUN is TLE.
Mande was never said to be Berber like, its either its own language family or either its a very divergent member of the so called Niger-Congo family
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quote:Originally posted by Red, White, and Blue + Christian: I read that Mande was in between Niger-Congo and Afro-Asiatic (Berber) which makes snse since they live near by.
Well this time you attacked the idea not the man who proffered the idea. That's the way to do it.
I really don't care if you guys want to act rude to each other as long as both parties don't care but I will enforce decorum if a party requests it.
RW&B+C is not one to be flippant and knowing him from before ES I took offense at you going ad hominem on him when he did not a thing to deserve it. He is one who brings Francophone sources to us and I miss that enhancement.
So stop and think, who'd want to join a bunch of insecure folk who can't discuss and argue fine points without acting the ass?
How will ES EGYPTOLOGY attract new bright talent when the behavior level is that of sophomores?
That's why I sometimes 'chastise' the brighter talented such as yourself from time to time.
Please forgive me, but think of the forum sometime instead of just yourself (vs the world).
~ Ardo ~
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quote:Originally posted by Red, White, and Blue + Christian: I read that Mande was in between Niger-Congo and Afro-Asiatic (Berber) which makes snse since they live near by.
Well this time you attacked the idea not the man who proffered the idea. That's the way to do it.
I agree it's how it should be done. It should be about argumentation, data and analysis.
Unfortunately, while I'm the one who baited you in this thread, by calling your name, you also fall down to make it personal against me, here painting me as a bad guy. Forcing me to reply to you about that subject. People who know me from the forum, know for many years I was putting up with all kind of racists and idiots on this forum before they start with their bs. Bringing their grievance from one thread to another. My purpose is always about analyzing the true population history and ethnic affiliations of Ancient Egyptians (I wouldn't even want them to be related to black African if they weren't. I prefer authentic history than fake history. Archaeology and more importantly DNA results force me to consider them Africans. Ramses III=E1b1a, 18th dynasty autosomal STR, JAMA, BMJ, DNA Tribes, etc).
Also let's be serious. This is a debate site. If you can't stand the heat, don't stand in the kitchen. My reply to Red in this and the other thread were perfectly fine. Saying somebody has limited genetic knowledge after he made 3 dumb posts in a row, is perfectly fine. His posts simply showed he didn't understand even the basic of haplogroups and he didn't made his posts as questions or fringe theory. All debate forums like politics or sports are like that. If you can stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
But I agree with the general idea of your posts. It should be about data, argumentation and analysis. This is a science site after all (the science of history and egyptology).
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quote:Originally posted by Red, White, and Blue + Christian: I read that Mande was in between Niger-Congo and Afro-Asiatic (Berber) which makes snse since they live near by.
The Bambara word for SUN is TLE.
Mande was never said to be Berber like, its either its own language family or either its a very divergent member of the so called Niger-Congo family
Its most likely a VERY EARLY divergent branch of Niger-Congo.
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