quote:Originally posted by tropicals redacted: ...same professor who wrote this....
30/04/2015 "As far as I see it, all this obsession and refusal to accept that the ancient Egyptians were a mixed race, not all Blacks as they claim, has a psychological foundation in most Afro people's deep and perhaps also unconscious inferiority complex as to white people.
They carry a chip on their shoulder and must try to grasp whatever they can to bolster their self-esteem at any price."
^ The above is an alleged private email correspondence between tropicals redacted and a Professor of Egyptology.
tropicals redacted, using his real name plans to make an e-book and also reveal the Professor's name and comment. He will also publish many other of these email correspondences with different Egyptologists Do you approve of this?
What kind of result do you see coming out of it? Will this improve Egyptology?
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If you truly believe a "Professor of Egyptology" would send such mails (that one and others) to a complete stranger on the internet, you're more stupid than tropicals redacted himself/herself.
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quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: If you truly believe a "Professor of Egyptology" would send such mails (that one and others) to a complete stranger on the internet, you're more stupid than tropicals redacted himself/herself.
point taken I just changed "a private email" to an "alleged private email".
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Amun Ra for argument's sake, what if somehow a person got a professor to take his guard down and the professor slipped up and made a racist comment in a private email. Would you support that the email be made public without the consent of the professor?
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Amun Ra for argument's sake, what if somehow a person got a professor to take his guard down and the professor slipped up and made a racist comment in a private email. Would you support that the email be made public without the consent of the professor?
Yes, emails to the public/students are not private.
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'They carry a chip on their shoulder and must try to grasp whatever they can to bolster their self-esteem at any price."
I find that Albinos LOVE to project.
They need psychiatric treatment....it should be mandatory.
After all, it is they who spend millions making Ancient Egypt movies and put themselves in it as if the Ancient Egyptians were Central Asian Albinos.....
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Kdolo already mentioned part of it, but it should be pointed out that this blatantly self-promotional and Eurocentric trend is not specific to movies about ancient Egypt.
Ask Bruce Lee what he had to go through to play Kato (a fictional Asian character) in the Green Hornet. Also see who ended up taking the lead role in the Kung Fu TV show Bruce lee had worked on. There is the infamous Hercules TV series where twi blonde men are casted as leads and the TV show Xena were a blue eyed brunette has the lead role. And look at who played the Middle Eastern characters in Ben Hur. Etc, etc.
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Publishing private comments without permission is only one of several issues someone might have.
What about smearing people's names online for something as petty as refusing to use 'black' when baited to say it?
Or what about the dubiousness of approaching non-specialists who are giving their opinion without necessarily stating it as fact. Do they automatically deserve to get crucified in public for not being convinced that the AE were "black"?
Consider legitimate misunderstandings. Is it possible that an academic without a background in bio-anthropology wrongly assumes that mummies with posthumously discolored (e.g. blonde) wavy and curly haired mummies are mixed or not African? Some Egyptologists (like Bob Brier) specialize in mummies or have seen many of them.
Consider professionalism. Usually when the public approves of undercover operations, they assume the agent is doing it for the general good, not for personal gain. They also assume that the allegations (in this case, of "racism") aren't ambiguous and open to interpretation. They expect the "evidence" to live up to a certain standard.
If it appears later that academics clarified their points later on, they should be vindicated immediately. Has that always happened?
Ask the reverse. How did forum posters react when Keita's phone call with Salsassin was posted? What would happen if Euroloon trolls were to contact 'Afrocentric' scholars and posted their conversations online with dubious racism allegations?
Also consider asking an audience that has nothing to gain from reading these emails. Given the outlook of this forum, the opinions expressed here aren't necessarily going to be shared by academic world and people in general.
I can go on and on. But you get the idea.
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Swenet you coisgn this racist kdolo who makes threads with titles like "dumb Africans" and " Degenerate Albinos" ?
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If you are British like Carlos Coke and you ask somebody if another person is black. It does not mean just skin color. It means what "black people" means generally in modern Britain in 2015. It means people primarily of West African descent and in America as well. So if you as a British person ask a British or American Egyptologist "were the Egyptians black?" what you are really asking is "did the Egyptians look like West Africans?"
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quote:Originally posted by tropicals redacted: ...same professor who wrote this....
30/04/2015 "As far as I see it, all this obsession and refusal to accept that the ancient Egyptians were a mixed race, not all Blacks as they claim, has a psychological foundation in most Afro people's deep and perhaps also unconscious inferiority complex as to white people.
They carry a chip on their shoulder and must try to grasp whatever they can to bolster their self-esteem at any price."
^ The above is an alleged private email correspondence between tropicals redacted and a Professor of Egyptology.
tropicals redacted, using his real name plans to make an e-book and also reveal the Professor's name and comment. He will also publish many other of these email correspondences with different Egyptologists Do you approve of this?
What kind of result do you see coming out of it? Will this improve Egyptology?
I am trying figure out why this "professor" spoke so degenerate of blacks?
Do you cosign and condone this type of expression?
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: If you are British like Carlos Coke and you ask somebody if another person is black. It does not mean just skin color. It means what "black people" means generally in modern Britain in 2015. It means people primarily of West African descent and in America as well. So if you as a British person ask a British or American Egyptologist "were the Egyptians black?" what you are really asking is "did the Egyptians look like West Africans?"
Perhaps,
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quote:Originally posted by tropicals redacted: ...same professor who wrote this....
30/04/2015 "As far as I see it, all this obsession and refusal to accept that the ancient Egyptians were a mixed race, not all Blacks as they claim, has a psychological foundation in most Afro people's deep and perhaps also unconscious inferiority complex as to white people.
They carry a chip on their shoulder and must try to grasp whatever they can to bolster their self-esteem at any price."
^ The above is an alleged private email correspondence between tropicals redacted and a Professor of Egyptology.
tropicals redacted, using his real name plans to make an e-book and also reveal the Professor's name and comment. He will also publish many other of these email correspondences with different Egyptologists Do you approve of this?
What kind of result do you see coming out of it? Will this improve Egyptology?
I find this claim funny considering that I've heard way more WHITES claim the Egyptians as "mixed" rather than full black for their own self-esteem reasons. Par exemplar, Lioness. LOLPosts: 26238 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by tropicals redacted: ...same professor who wrote this....
30/04/2015 "As far as I see it, all this obsession and refusal to accept that the ancient Egyptians were a mixed race, not all Blacks as they claim, has a psychological foundation in most Afro people's deep and perhaps also unconscious inferiority complex as to white people.
They carry a chip on their shoulder and must try to grasp whatever they can to bolster their self-esteem at any price."
^ The above is an alleged private email correspondence between tropicals redacted and a Professor of Egyptology.
tropicals redacted, using his real name plans to make an e-book and also reveal the Professor's name and comment. He will also publish many other of these email correspondences with different Egyptologists Do you approve of this?
What kind of result do you see coming out of it? Will this improve Egyptology?
I find this claim funny considering that I've heard way more WHITES claim the Egyptians as "mixed" rather than full black for their own self-esteem reasons. Par exemplar, Lioness. LOL
I always ask them, with what and whom, then they get upset.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: I find this claim funny considering that I've heard way more WHITES claim the Egyptians as "mixed" rather than full black for their own self-esteem reasons. Par exemplar, Lioness. LOL
Obviously white supremacists who deny Egyptians were primarily African are motivated by an ideology that gives them a psychological wage to cover up their insecurities. But I'm not sure claiming Egyptians were always "mixed" (as in a thorough mix between African and Eurasian populations) is always motivated by white supremacist ideology. If anything, most white supremacists try to write off the African component as foreign input from slaves or Kushite conquerors. The mixed-race school of thought seems to have more to do with projecting modern American ideals of multiracial harmony onto an ancient civilization than traditional racism.
That said, I bet Rome or Carthage would be a better example of a "mixed race" civilization than Egypt. I would presume mercantile nations with a history of extensive seafaring would be the most likely to mix up their populations, especially if they controlled territory on multiple continents. On the other hand, while the Egyptians did have ships plying the Mediterranean and Northeast African coasts, I tend to see them as starting out deeper in the African interior along the Nile.
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^Rome most definitely was a "mixed race" civilization and would have been like America today. Yet Rome is ALWAYS included into European history and its "Europeannes" is never questioned at all..
And indeed Ancient Egypt was first an Nile Valley/Saharan civilization far before it was a Mediterranean one, which many don't seem to get.
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Either you support publishing email correspondance in a book or you don't. I'm not making a judgement here
The law sometimes allows for these disclosures if it can be proven that they are in the public interest
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quote:Originally posted by BlessedbyHorus: ^Rome most definitely was a "mixed race" civilization and would have been like America today. Yet Rome is ALWAYS included into European history and its "Europeannes" is never questioned at all..
And indeed Ancient Egypt was first an Nile Valley/Saharan civilization far before it was a Mediterranean one, which many don't seem to get.
This is certainly true.
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