quote:I presume BA means Black Americans?
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Well I'd like the real inner African Lion King story, that
of Sundjata MariDjata "LionKing" Keita (clickable link)
founder of Mali's empire.
Protests a plenty over Tut but BAs let this one go
right past them without so much as a whimper. Go figure.
quote:This is what I've been trying to figure out now.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Children need Disney's Lion King cartoon.
Lady friends deserve a night out on the
town, why not the Lion King play.
But those of us presuming ourselves students
of Africana and friends of freed minds need
to critique Disney's Lion King for what it
is and steer folk to MariDjata the real Lion
King of factual Mande Africa not fictional
Swahili Africa and yes even the old Egyptic
African archetype of the Ausar cycle.
quote:Don't know if anyone notices or not, but I don't usually spill my personalit/persona or personal life out onto the board. I generally just post to make ppl think, and other than that, post petty comments to petty posters, silly with silly, and serious with serious.
Originally posted by H*O*R*I*Z*O*N^*^H*O*R*U*S:
^Real talk. A "collateral damage" I have experienced in my psyche (since I awakened from my pentecostal-Christianity stupor a few years ago) is a knee-jerk reaction to call BS on blatant lies & propaganda. I think it's a balancing act in knowing how to deal with revelation of Knowledge. Sometimes I want to let people know when they're been bamboozled but then it often ruins the fun...
I've got to the point where I almost don't want to do all the regular social things Londoners do. And this is good sometimes if it means avoiding the "daily" pub culture, or the idea that Black people can only enjoy ourselves in dodgy jampacked night clubs (that I don't care to take my gf to) or the fact that pretty much everybody in London is a drug addict - even if it's just addiction to fast food. But then, I'm probably missing out on quality stuff going on in the midst of the general nonesense.
Running off to Europe (mostly France & Dam) can't be the solution to my grating boredom. I seem to throw the baby out with the bath water sometimes.
The more money I make and the more I learn about my environment, the more my apathy grows...
quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Well I'd like the real inner African Lion King story, that
of Sundjata MariDjata "LionKing" Keita (clickable link)
founder of Mali's empire.
quote:True.
Protests a plenty over Tut but BAs let this one go
right past them without so much as a whimper. Go figure.
quote:...but don't worry about me brother. The Internet is my platform; the matrix to my neo
The metaphor of the butterfly, the flapping of whose wings begins a chain of events that eventually create a hurricane, is the perfect device for contemplating the wisdom of Heru.
quote:
To infinity and beyond. Something really stinks, but I Sphinx like Leon or Lion in the desert.
quote:Good post alTakruri, this is the first thing that came to my mind as opposed to Horus.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Well I'd like the real inner African Lion King story, that
of Sundjata MariDjata "LionKing" Keita (clickable link)
founder of Mali's empire.
Protests a plenty over Tut but BAs let this one go
right past them without so much as a whimper. Go figure.
quote:^Most Definitely.
Originally posted by H*O*R*I*Z*O*N^*^H*O*R*U*S:
Lupe Fiasco - HipHop's Young Horus
quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
but when it comes to Africa they use
animals, aaaarrrrrggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!
quote:
Originally posted by xyyman:
We still don't see the big picture.
1. It is about dollars
2. Who youtr audience are
How many white Americans will want to see an African "movie"? I will say very few. But a good story with animals, yes, most will.
Hence - the dollars and the audience. That's why the bros and sistas with the dollars, like the Oprahs and the Jordans, got to step up.
We got to thank them, Leucoderms, for the few that they make and market.
quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
but when it comes to Africa they use
animals, aaaarrrrrggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!
quote:
Originally posted by H*O*R*I*Z*O*N^*^H*O*R*U*S:
I think economic power concentrated in the hands of Europeans is a by-product of Racism (an "on-going" PROGRAMME) and not vice versa.
To change it, we would have to seperate the white supremacists (as well as their non-white cohorts in Europe, Africa, Asia & Americas) from the rest of (bamboozled) humanity. When we know who these people are - we expose them and then work against them. Fyi, I think this is what Ron Paul is trying to do - but I may be wrong.
Racism is the "Means", Economic Power is the "End Goal".
quote:Well, Disney will have a black princess next year named Tiana. She will live in New Orleans, which is stupid. She will have a white prince named Naveen. You've heard of this, right?
Originally posted by alTakruri:
The biigest picture which some may've missed
is the continuation of the safari myth,
nothing of interest in Africa except animals
who are superior and more interesting than
humans.
Let's go back to Tarzan. No Africa is lord of
the jungle. An orphaned Euro raised by apes is
lord of jungle. Had he been raised by Africans
he would have been nearly as inferior as they.
Sundiata is the Lion King. Do not forget it.
You have never heard of him nor do you know
the epic of old Mali but you do know Simba
a fictional lion.
Continue to excuse the blatant intentional
burial and distortion of your civilizations
while Disney presents South American, East
Asian, even Hawaiian heritage for the world
to see. The dialectic being pushed is simple
to see with even the slightes political
acumen.
Disney even put the word nigger in
the mouth of Dr. Doolittle. Have you heard
cracker, mick, deygo, chink, gook, kike, spic,
pineapple, camel-jock, or other pejoratives
out of the mouth of characters adored by pre-
teens?
Wake up.
quote:
Originally posted by xyyman:
We still don't see the big picture.
1. It is about dollars
2. Who youtr audience are
How many white Americans will want to see an African "movie"? I will say very few. But a good story with animals, yes, most will.
Hence - the dollars and the audience. That's why the bros and sistas with the dollars, like the Oprahs and the Jordans, got to step up.
We got to thank them, Leucoderms, for the few that they make and market.
quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
but when it comes to Africa they use
animals, aaaarrrrrggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!
quote:
Originally posted by H*O*R*I*Z*O*N^*^H*O*R*U*S:
I don't agree. I think Racism came first. However, raising the conciousness of the human collective is the only solution. Other things like "improving our nations" will follow naturally.
With my (very limited) understanding of Egyptian spirituality and Bhuddism, I've come to the conviction that following a rigid system of fighting racism such as the "counter racism code" may not actually be fruitful.
Lao-Tse said:
"The mind of of the man of established virtue may be compared to that of a newborn child. He does not seem to suspect that poisonous insects bite or sting, that the claws of wild beasts can rend and the talons of birds of prey can tear...."
Buddha likewise preached the abolition of hatred and discord.
Bottom line is, I don't think we should be seeking to make the world "like us" running around trying to be "as good as" others. That's a sucker move.
quote:
Originally posted by xyyman:
... as a group they think we are worthless.
... the economic/power respect has to come from the continent. Places like Nigeria, SA, Ghana. ... start building airplanes, tanks, steam ships, computers, fighter jets, space stations, manufacturing vaccines, etc etc etc .
quote:First book I read that opened my world to the real Ancient Egypt.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Chancellor Williams
The Destruction of Black Civilization:
great issues of a race from 4500 B.C. to 2000 A.D.
Chicago: Third World Press, 1974 & 1987
quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Don't be fooled. Racism is not the concern unless
you believe others outside yourself hold the power
you need to actualize yourself.
It may be a bit antiquated but get a copy of
Haki R Madhubuti
From Plan to Planet: life studies;
the need for Afrikan minds and institutions
Detroit: Broadside Press, 1973
Chicago: Third World Press, 1992
Chancellor Williams
The Destruction of Black Civilization:
great issues of a race from 4500 B.C. to 2000 A.D.
Chicago: Third World Press, 1974 & 1987
And to see the same game was run down
on Africans both sides of the Atlantic
Useni Eugene Perkins
Home is a Dirty Street:
the social oppression of Black children
Chicago: Third World Press, 1975
quote:I see more clearly now
Remember even Malcolm moved away from race hating after his second Hadj.
quote:
Originally posted by H*O*R*I*Z*O*N^*^H*O*R*U*S:
quote:First book I read that opened my world to the real Ancient Egypt.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Chancellor Williams
The Destruction of Black Civilization:
great issues of a race from 4500 B.C. to 2000 A.D.
Chicago: Third World Press, 1974 & 1987
I'll soon check the others out. Thanks.
quote:
Originally posted by xyyman:
Great authors.
Have/had two of them since in my late teens. That has been some time now.
Haki - In Search of Enemies ?
Williams - DBC
But we got to take it to the next level. And work on the solution. Remember even Malcolm moved away from race hating after his second Hadj.
quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Don't be fooled. Racism is not the concern unless
you believe others outside yourself hold the power
you need to actualize yourself.
It may be a bit antiquated but get a copy of
Haki R Madhubuti
From Plan to Planet: life studies;
the need for Afrikan minds and institutions
Detroit: Broadside Press, 1973
Chicago: Third World Press, 1992
Chancellor Williams
The Destruction of Black Civilization:
great issues of a race from 4500 B.C. to 2000 A.D.
Chicago: Third World Press, 1974 & 1987
And to see the same game was run down
on Africans both sides of the Atlantic
Useni Eugene Perkins
Home is a Dirty Street:
the social oppression of Black children
Chicago: Third World Press, 1975
quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
This is the problem of inattentive superficial
perusal. I'm not referencing the non-existant
Madhubuti book you invented "In Search of
Enemies" (actually a title written by an ex-CIA
agent deployed in Africa).
Nor are these dime novels that you pick up and
read and pronounce -- good book! These works
are detailed political analyses with solutions
to the problems the global black community faces
not simply hateful bruthas rapping about how bad whitey is.
If you'd actually studied them you'd know that.
You're the one talking about race hating racism.
There is no next stage to either Madhubuti or
Williams unless you've just superficially
skim reading them instead of breaking down
and implementing either of their detailed
plans.
To date their methodology hasn't been implemented
on more than a small group scale, mostly by
independent institutions geared to elementary
education. Higher education, industry, etc.,
are ignorant of their methodology or because of
rhetorical ideaologues presentation have rejected
even examining and analyzing either plan.
It amazes me how so many equate love of self
with hatred of others when it comes to black
people exercising control over their own affairs.
quote:
Originally posted by xyyman:
Great authors.
Have/had two of them since in my late teens. That has been some time now.
Haki - In Search of Enemies ?
Williams - DBC
But we got to take it to the next level. And work on the solution. Remember even Malcolm moved away from race hating after his second Hadj.
quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Don't be fooled. Racism is not the concern unless
you believe others outside yourself hold the power
you need to actualize yourself.
It may be a bit antiquated but get a copy of
Haki R Madhubuti
From Plan to Planet: life studies;
the need for Afrikan minds and institutions
Detroit: Broadside Press, 1973
Chicago: Third World Press, 1992
Chancellor Williams
The Destruction of Black Civilization:
great issues of a race from 4500 B.C. to 2000 A.D.
Chicago: Third World Press, 1974 & 1987
And to see the same game was run down
on Africans both sides of the Atlantic
Useni Eugene Perkins
Home is a Dirty Street:
the social oppression of Black children
Chicago: Third World Press, 1975
quote:
Originally posted by xyyman:
My bad. Yeah I was speaking about "Haki - in search of enemies". As I said, I read it awhile back.
But the important thing is identifying the problem. Which to me - as a teen - Chenweizu and Fanon did on the economic and psychological level.
And it holds true today.
quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
This is the problem of inattentive superficial
perusal. I'm not referencing the non-existant
Madhubuti book you invented "In Search of
Enemies" (actually a title written by an ex-CIA
agent deployed in Africa).
Nor are these dime novels that you pick up and
read and pronounce -- good book! These works
are detailed political analyses with solutions
to the problems the global black community faces
not simply hateful bruthas rapping about how bad whitey is.
If you'd actually studied them you'd know that.
You're the one talking about race hating racism.
There is no next stage to either Madhubuti or
Williams unless you've just superficially
skim reading them instead of breaking down
and implementing either of their detailed
plans.
To date their methodology hasn't been implemented
on more than a small group scale, mostly by
independent institutions geared to elementary
education. Higher education, industry, etc.,
are ignorant of their methodology or because of
rhetorical ideaologues presentation have rejected
even examining and analyzing either plan.
It amazes me how so many equate love of self
with hatred of others when it comes to black
people exercising control over their own affairs.
quote:
Originally posted by xyyman:
Great authors.
Have/had two of them since in my late teens. That has been some time now.
Haki - In Search of Enemies ?
Williams - DBC
But we got to take it to the next level. And work on the solution. Remember even Malcolm moved away from race hating after his second Hadj.
quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Don't be fooled. Racism is not the concern unless
you believe others outside yourself hold the power
you need to actualize yourself.
It may be a bit antiquated but get a copy of
Haki R Madhubuti
From Plan to Planet: life studies;
the need for Afrikan minds and institutions
Detroit: Broadside Press, 1973
Chicago: Third World Press, 1992
Chancellor Williams
The Destruction of Black Civilization:
great issues of a race from 4500 B.C. to 2000 A.D.
Chicago: Third World Press, 1974 & 1987
And to see the same game was run down
on Africans both sides of the Atlantic
Useni Eugene Perkins
Home is a Dirty Street:
the social oppression of Black children
Chicago: Third World Press, 1975
code:”…a blue, plastic airplane with blue wheels, a blue propeller,
and a blue string on the front of the plane so that I could take
it home and roll it on the linoleum floor. Then the following
week she took me and my sister to Dearborn, Michigan where she
occasionally did domestic work. This was back when our mothers
cleaned up white folks' homes. Dearborn was where the men who ran
the automobile industry lived. I quickly noticed that they lived
differently. There were no five and dime stores in Dearborn at
that time. There were craft shops. There were hobby stores where
white mothers and fathers brought their children airplanes in boxes.
.
In the boxes were wooden parts and directions for assembling and
gluing small airplanes. After the plane was put together, the little
boy did not roll it on the floor. He took it outside and it flew. I
was learning to be a consumer who depended upon others to build the
plane for me. Translating that into the larger world, I was being
taught to use things and to use my body from the neck down, while
the white upper class boy was being taught very early to prepare
himself to build things, to run things, and to use his body from
the neck up. My world depended upon others…His world consisted of
controlling, running, making things and having other people work
for him.
.
In this slice of life you see two different kinds of consciousness
being developed. In my case and that of the other poor youth, we
would buy the planes already assembled, take it home, and hope it
rolled on the floor like a car or truck. But it was a plane! In
Dearborn the family would invest in a learning toy that the child
would put together, and through this process learn work ethics,
science, and math principle. As a result of that, the plane would
fly.
.
.
(“As Serious As First Love,” Black Genius, p. 64)
quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
You want to get cute eh? OK cut to the chase F U C K YOU!
This is no joke, this is about serious redemption
of a people relegated to the dungheap of humanity.
Take your snide attitude back to the playground
with your peers.
)[/CODE]
quote:No doubt. Part of the problem is, I (and many others) are trained to use these "mainstream" outlets for pretty much everything as part of our education ... from a very young age.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
If you would practice what Madhubuti teaches you
would get his works either directly from his 3rd
World Press http://www.thirdworldpressinc.com/
or from an independent African owned book seller
however inconvenient that might be to accomplish.
He'd call it co-operative economics (and it's as easy as
http://www.thirdworldpressinc.com/browse.php?id=24.
Enemies: the clash of races, does not have what
Plan to Planet has, an operative community
building plan, and is no substitute.
quote:^ One of my first favorite rappers.
Originally posted by H*O*R*I*Z*O*N^*^H*O*R*U*S:
Eminem's finest moment
quote:What people know about blacks is the result of what they have been told. And what they have been told is lies by those who profit from white supremacy. Racism is a tool of corporate industrialists who use it to build a fake sense of pride for white "culture" which is designed to support and further the cause of white racist capitalist industrial domination of the world.
Originally posted by xyyman:
As I said.. .in my view racism is loathing of a group of people for two reasons. I don’t think it is “physical”. Infact it is CAN NOT be looking at the Connell University genetic study. That study only re-affirmed what most people sense but won’t come out and admit. IF Africa is the birth place of man - more than likely Africans will have an edge in nature.
The loathing is caused by of two things.
1. What they see.
2. What they “know”- (History).
Europeans SEE everyday in the news a backward continent. Impoverish people begging for hand-outs. Killing each other. Unable to feed their own. No Technology and no sophistication. How can THEY be equal to US. We see that even with SOME AA towards bros. from the continent. That is also prejudicial. And the media keep pumping out those images with their informercials.
But forget about what they see and let’s look at what they “know”. As far as they KNOW the continent has always been like that. There is no history of Africans ever getting out of the “twigs, weed and loin cloth” technology. African never really even entered the stone age. They have no ancient castles, no great forts, no stone walls etc etc etc. That is why it is hard for some to believe AE were black Africans. And the FEW Eurocentrics have their agenda to maintain that belief.
So present day peoples regardless of race have no other choice than to either feel sorry for the continent, people and decendants or look at them as a worthless burden ie RACISM.
THE SOLUTION – reverse or destroy the two assertions. And that is not going to happen in our lifetime. It will take at least two generations. The important thing is for the current leaders to lay the foundation for the coming ones. AND CORRECT THE HISTORY BOOKS. ie forums, movies, documentaries etc.
quote:...you forgot to mention Chi-Town's finest:
Originally posted by Alive-(What Box):
I agree (for the most, as far as I can tell) with alTakruri on the racism/economic struggle tip, except for I haven't read Chancellor Williams - I almost got his book at Barnes & Nobles a couple months back, when picking a book to read.
Get specific later
quote:^ One of my first favorite rappers.
Originally posted by H*O*R*I*Z*O*N^*^H*O*R*U*S:
Eminem's finest moment
But here's me (the rest of this post):
Actually bro, fairly recently, I've come to appreciate more of music's many facets.
then
Around the time I got sattelite radio, I've actually found a few that stand out:
Most Americans don't listen to this, but I no care:
All You Gotta Do:
^As you can see, some are mere chill tracks while others may be different:
Slow Down
Originality
Steve Bam Jackson
Time [With Ursula Rucker] - "4 score and several centruies,
misery not even a word
blurred by the beam of eden,
but certain sceeming made them heathen,
serpant sceeming made us heathen,
fa-{#$%}-ers, renegades, resisters of the truth-twisters,
I want those demons
screaming,
underfoot of harkened angels and [somethin] fought,
[somethin] painful,
I've learned Darwin's Theory well,
just an ism?
no not while my inner schism has me in it's grasp,
threatening to suck me like cleopatra's asp
Now I'm the one with loaded guns,
murdering other mothers' sons,
making devils swell with pride as I ride Hades' river-boat,
choke on the blood of my victom,
Sin, my one desire
stoke the fires of hell
I'm in the belly of the beast,
Peace,
An anomaly
Covenant's Arc and Indiana Jones myth to me..."
By 4hero.
[somethin] or [(^%^%$&%&D$%] = I don't know what exactly she says.
Amon Tobin - At the end of the Day
D'Nell - Standing in a Crowd
Jill Scott - Gotta Get Up
I usually save these to playlists or get these on the internet, because they don't play on radio / are harder to find.
Many have a more 'black american' (seen some used as background for 'black' commercials) tone, others a pure funk tone, a hip-hop tone, reggae tone, and still others are just ... out there.
There are many others - including the song Lupe used for background in his "DayDream".
I've even (I think) seen you mention 'Massive Attack'.
Don't know why, but couldn't find more 'up-beat' ones at the mo.
Any way, as far as rappers go, I
* don't put everyone (mainstream) into two groups (good-guys vs. bad guys - it's too simplistic).
* tend to reside out of the mainstream (infact, wasn't paying too much attention to Lupe because of that, and was elated when you showed me a song of his I'd never heard; he's one of my favorites now - I just favorited a shizload of his songs to my Youtube account)
Hieroglyphics - Powers that Be
Blackalicious - Alphabetic Aerobics
Deltron 3030 aka Del Tha Funkee Homosapien aka Del The Funky Homosapien
* Memory Loss
*Mistadobalina
* Proto-Culture
* Virus
* Memory Loss
* Mastermind
Substantial/Nujabes
Immortal Techniquel
Dance with the Devil - Ill
Bush
Whoa, listen to the second song After Dance
There's more I'm forgetting, but I don't feel like posting them any way, so that's basically it with rap and me.
Another music I've come to like is Classic rock. However, it's easy to find a rock station so I rarely remember/note the names of songs.
My favorite is the funky stuff tho.
Peace.
Oh MY GAWD, I almost forgot to mention Nas!!!!! One of my favorites!
quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
What I am pissed about a new movie Disney is producing which features what they call their first fair-tale starring a "black princess". The movie is called 'The Frog Princess', which is a twist on the classic 'Frog Prince'. However, the story has nothing to do with a princess or even royalty but takes place in 1920s Louisiana, and the main character is a maid!! Yes, with all the actual countless African folktales and myths involving actual princesses, Disney came up with this crap! And the only Disney story about Africans doesn't involve any humans but animals.
So yeah, this pretty much proves Disney is racist!
You can read about this here.
quote:Seems to me like there is a butt plug stuck up his ass that he's unable to remove...
Originally posted by xyyman:
Boy you are really getting your knickers all twisted about nothing.
quote:^Thanks!
Originally posted by H*O*R*I*Z*O*N^*^H*O*R*U*S:
Alive (What Box), you listen to really good music. Lots of quality material in there.
Where do I start???