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Originally posted by Alive-(What Box):
What about Greece and its relationship with the muslims and their relationship to a 'Dark ages' Europe?

It was the Arabs who kept alive ancient Aegian and ancient black knowledge, and spread it throughout nearby Asia, Europe, and Africa.

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Remember that Rome was built on Greek Knowledge and Arabia was a province of Rome.

All the Provinces of Rome benifited greatly from being part of the Roman empire...If Carthage had dominated Sicily and Rome had failed to Expand further into Europe...how different would Civilization be...

Would we all have a universal Phonecian Script...instead of Latin. Would Africa and the Near East be the world powers of the day...?
 

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Posted by Alive-(What Box) (Member # 10819) on :
 
Your right, and it has turned out to be pretty much the opposite.
 

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Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
 
I ask this becuase Carthage was a Multicultural Hub, a Small City with a Growing population. Carthage like Rome was a Power that expanded and depended on Provinces and Colonies...

Cathage was Highly successful and very innovative and influential...

Carthage would have expanded futher into Africa it was inevitable....Look at the Trade routes of Hanno the Navigator

http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/hanno-the-navigator/

The exploits of Carthage are highly under played...
 

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Posted by Yonis2 (Member # 11348) on :
 
Phoenicians were already a naval power before rome even existed. Not much would have changed if the Carthagians sacked rome, they were equally meditteranian orientated as romans and would have continued to establish tradiing posts along the medditeranian coasts. There was not much different between romans and phoenicians only in modern times did romans become über European, historically they were just as equally meditteranian as phoenicians the concept of Europe didn't exist among them.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:

Ok, Just think about how much History and Civilization would change, With out Rome Western Civilization would be almost inrecognizable.

In my assumption Carthage would have gained Control of Sicily, Sacked and burned Rome and History would have changed Drastically. I think Egypt and Ethiopia and Especially the Near East would have Rose, Carthage would have eventually expand terrirories and colonies furhter into Africa...Maybe evene trading with a young Empire on the Rise Ghana..."

I know that Western Civilization would be different...Rome is the stepping block of Western Civilization....The Engineering, The Latin Script, Christianity..ect.

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Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:

Ok, Just think about how much History and Civilization would change, With out Rome Western Civilization would be almost inrecognizable.

In my assumption Carthage would have gained Control of Sicily, Sacked and burned Rome and History would have changed Drastically. I think Egypt and Ethiopia and Especially the Near East would have Rose, Carthage would have eventually expand terrirories and colonies furhter into Africa...Maybe evene trading with a young Empire on the Rise Ghana..."

I know that Western Civilization would be different...Rome is the stepping block of Western Civilization....The Engineering, The Latin Script, Christianity..ect.

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One thing's for sure. YOU, I, and the REST OF US WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BORN.

You guys seem to have forgotten one of the laws of physics in time known as mass effect. In which even one small change in the past could drastically change the future to where entire individuals present today would not be born.

Take slavery in America for instance. Of course it was wrong what Europeans did, but if it weren't for slavery African Americans at least as they are today would not exist. If it wasn't for certain events farther back in the past Euroepean colonization would have been different or have not taken place at all yet. etc. etc.

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Boo the butterfly effect lol..
 

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Posted by Obelisk_18 (Member # 11966) on :
 
Any of yall folks read Lion's Blood by Steven Barnes? It might have been that type of world...
 

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Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
 

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Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:

Ok, Just think about how much History and Civilization would change, With out Rome Western Civilization would be almost inrecognizable.

In my assumption Carthage would have gained Control of Sicily, Sacked and burned Rome and History would have changed Drastically. I think Egypt and Ethiopia and Especially the Near East would have Rose, Carthage would have eventually expand terrirories and colonies furhter into Africa...Maybe evene trading with a young Empire on the Rise Ghana..."

I know that Western Civilization would be different...Rome is the stepping block of Western Civilization....The Engineering, The Latin Script, Christianity..ect.

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One thing's for sure. YOU, I, and the REST OF US WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BORN.

You guys seem to have forgotten one of the laws of physics in time known as mass effect. In which even one small change in the past could drastically change the future to where entire individuals present today would not be born.

Take slavery in America for instance. Of course it was wrong what Europeans did, but if it weren't for slavery African Americans at least as they are today would not exist. If it wasn't for certain events farther back in the past Euroepean colonization would have been different or have not taken place at all yet. etc. etc.

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Djehuti writes:

One thing's for sure. YOU, I, and the REST OF US WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BORN.

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Djehuti writes:

Take slavery in America for instance. Of course it was wrong what Europeans did, but if it weren't for slavery African Americans at least as they are today would not exist.

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Originally posted by Obelisk_18:
Any of yall folks read Lion's Blood by Steven Barnes? It might have been that type of world...

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