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As for Dr Hawass, well, he was right again. Two years ago he said the younger lady was most likely Tut's mother Kiya....bingo, he was correct. We also know now that the red headed Elder Lady is indeed Queen Tiy.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bob_01:

Seriously, I couldn't care less about what Berbers in the NW think, especially when they're not even Nile peoples. The truth is, mainstream Egyptian portals state what I'm stating:

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The Egyptians see themselves as essentially sumr, or "dark". However, for all intents and purposes this is a most confusing and contentious term. If an individual is described as asmar, the masculine, or samra, the feminine, they could range in colour from the southern Sudanese ebony or indigo black, a west African chocolate or mahogany black, the various copper and honey-toned Ethiopian and Somali types, to the olive or ****off-white dark-haired Mediterranean or Middle Eastern-looking type****.
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Upper class Egyptians, often fairer than their poorer compatriots, invariably look down on lower class Egyptians who tend to be darker in complexion. There is a subtle correlation between lower income and darker complexion. The Egyptian upper classes and elites tend to be noticeably lighter in complexion than their poorer and working class compatriots. "They labour in the sun," is sometimes the cynical explanation.

But, a more accurate explanation would be that Egypt has for thousands of years been ruled by foreign, and lighter-skinned, invaders -- ***Persians, Greeks, Romans***, Arabs, ***Turks***, the French and British. A large section of the pre-revolutionary Egyptian elite could trace their ancestry to Balkan, Caucasian and Turkish roots. Moreover, Napoleon Bonaparte's French expedition was notorious for sowing its seeds in places like the Delta city of Mansoura whose women are reputedly "exceptionally beautiful"; in Egyptian common parlance that means fair-skinned, with light-coloured eyes and hair. Link

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Have you heard of Al-Ahram? Do you know the history of this newspaper? I'd suggest doing some research, before assuming that this piece is from some Afrocentrist source.

Returning to the article, who the hell do you think those off-white people are? I'd suggest visiting Iran and Turkey. You'd see both which the piece above clearly suggests is a foreign element. That is certainly not being suggested of those who'd fall under Black:

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Not only are the poorer classes darker in complexion, but they tend to display more *****"African"**** cultural traits. Much of the music they enjoy has rhythmic beats that are reminiscent of those of the music of Africa ****south ****of the Sahara, with an emphasis on drums and percussion. The elite tend to favour classical Western-influenced music or Middle Eastern (Turkish and Persian) musical strains dominated by stringed instruments. While the poorer and working classes are more likely to dance spontaneously and with abandon in public, the elites tend to be more restrained. Much clapping and ululation accompanies street parties in low income areas, the elites, in sharp contrast, shun these ****"baladi"**** literally "country" traits, suggestive of the African.

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PS: I suggest shutting up, Fawal. Maybe I'd join the many who **** young women from your land. However, I wouldn't want to mess around with such dirty people. Please tone down your ego. [/qb]

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I ask pride, do you understand that Al-Ahram is one of the leading news portals in Egypt? It predates the internet and is as mainstream as ABC or FOX. The irony is that this portal is government-owned, so it's quite far from Afrocentrism.

So I ask, who are these off-white people being referred to? Why are those traits being described as foreign to the Nile? That is, brought by invaders, while those dark complexions aren't framed in a similar manner. In other words, you're talking of people who would resemble Nile populations even today.

Those fair traits in the North, as suggested by Al-Ahram is of foreign, "Persians, Greeks, Romans,[...], Turks, the French and British" origin. It is that clear and being stressed by mainstream sources as well. No one is going to mix up Iranians with the British, especially when they're noticeably darker.

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LMAO Just as I fucking thought Though TUT was not black as Negrocentrics claim the proof is in the fucking DNA HA HA HA HA!

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Originally posted by Hammer:
yeah, it is clear he was not black. If so they would have made that known.

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Absence of evidence isn't evidence. This study never was aimed at determining regional. There is a reason why most papers, in various fields of biology suggest that we're dealing with essentially Nile African peoples.

Where does his data disprove that? The presence of red hair? Do you how rare that trait is within the Middle East (especially Egypt of all places), first class moron.

Please substantiate your reason why hair color is a more important indicator than other traits such as overall body plain, skin color, uni-parental markers, ALL, pointing to Nile. Since Herotodus is a drunk liar, who is supposedly the "father" of history", we'll leave him aside. So here comes the last question:

Where did you get the idea that hair is considered a primary source of evidence used in forensic research? That is, anal-ysis, that was made by a welder, an African-American-loving psychopath, and some aimless Haitian, with their own naked eye! Please do provide literature from a journal dealing with Forensic Science substantiating your reasoning.
 

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Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
 
The funny part is that they did not waste time to say Tut was a "caucasian" a debunked outdated term and they did not wait to reveal the ashen Bust that Hiwass himself said did not represent Egyptians but looked more French. So why the reluctance to release Tut's Haplogroup??

This is what Afronut wrote before he swithed up his reply:
[b][QUOTE]Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
[QB] I had gone into silence these past couple of weeks, patiently waiting for the result. I knew the result would confirm the well established truth; Ancient Egypt was not an African negro civilization.

As you can see, the NEGROES arent commenting (LOL)!!!!!! These pieces of [b/]


Really I guess you forgot about your emotional beatdown you got:-
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=002513
 

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Posted by Narmer Menes (Member # 16122) on :
 
Also of note, for those of you who have actually BEEN to Africa should know that African's do not have naturally black hair (like East Asians'). Africans actually have very dark brown hair, ranging in hues from medium to dark brown. The hair of Africans is also commonly known to lighten in the sun... this is very common amongst some of my relatives whose hair is lighter than their skin. Now Hammer, you turd brain, multiply this by the say 3-4000 years that Tiye's has been sitting in a harsh Sahara environment for, and BINGO, you get discolouration... not rocket science, really it isn't. Real anthropologists don't make an issue of the hair colour of the mummies, because if you do, then someone with an afrocentric viewpoint will simply point out to you the JET BLACK skin of almost EVERY mummy, which no doubt you will say has turned back due to the environment!
 

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Posted by Nubian1984 (Member # 16955) on :
 
But they haven't released anything on the DNA yet....... Just more lineage stuff.
 

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Posted by Hammer (Member # 17003) on :
 
Jari, Hawass has already said he was caucasian.
 

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Posted by Recovering Afro-holic (Member # 17311) on :
 
Get over yourself! He was already claimed as a caucasoid. If it were not so, hawas would have reversed himself.

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Originally posted by Nubian1984:
But they haven't released anything on the DNA yet....... Just more lineage stuff.

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Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
RFLOL!!!! You fvcking lose punk_Bob! RFLOL!!!!

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Oh, I thought you killed yourself already? What's taking so long? Oh King, until people that live right in that twisted nation don't reason with them (due to being punks), I'll use my own methods.

So moving on...

Horemheb's comparative biology analysis, which involved observing a red-haired noble, using his naked eye could be considered evidence.

On top of the white indigenous Americans, lily white "Afrocentrist" Anguish, this evidence somehow trumps actual literature in human biology which, beyond a doubt. suggests that Egyptians approximate with peoples south of the Nile and along the Red Sea as well.

PS: Seems like "Black" folks to me.
 

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Posted by Nubian1984 (Member # 16955) on :
 
No sorry,

Just looking for more information since I found out that there were new discoveries.

Thanks
 

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Posted by Bob_01 (Member # 15687) on :
 

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Originally posted by Hammer:
sure, go to Amazon and order a copy of the TV special that deals with the Tut facial reconstruction. It was out a year or tow ago. In that special he is showing Tut's reconstructed face and says. "he is a typical North African caucasian." The show was either on discovery or Nat geo, you can get a copy at a good price now.

Dpn't pay attention to these afroloons on this board. They will lead you own the yellow brick road.

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Originally posted by fawal:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bob_01:

Seriously, I couldn't care less about what Berbers in the NW think, especially when they're not even Nile peoples. The truth is, mainstream Egyptian portals state what I'm stating:

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The Egyptians see themselves as essentially sumr, or "dark". However, for all intents and purposes this is a most confusing and contentious term. If an individual is described as asmar, the masculine, or samra, the feminine, they could range in colour from the southern Sudanese ebony or indigo black, a west African chocolate or mahogany black, the various copper and honey-toned Ethiopian and Somali types, to the olive or ****off-white dark-haired Mediterranean or Middle Eastern-looking type****.
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Upper class Egyptians, often fairer than their poorer compatriots, invariably look down on lower class Egyptians who tend to be darker in complexion. There is a subtle correlation between lower income and darker complexion. The Egyptian upper classes and elites tend to be noticeably lighter in complexion than their poorer and working class compatriots. "They labour in the sun," is sometimes the cynical explanation.

But, a more accurate explanation would be that Egypt has for thousands of years been ruled by foreign, and lighter-skinned, invaders -- ***Persians, Greeks, Romans***, Arabs, ***Turks***, the French and British. A large section of the pre-revolutionary Egyptian elite could trace their ancestry to Balkan, Caucasian and Turkish roots. Moreover, Napoleon Bonaparte's French expedition was notorious for sowing its seeds in places like the Delta city of Mansoura whose women are reputedly "exceptionally beautiful"; in Egyptian common parlance that means fair-skinned, with light-coloured eyes and hair. Link

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Have you heard of Al-Ahram? Do you know the history of this newspaper? I'd suggest doing some research, before assuming that this piece is from some Afrocentrist source.

Returning to the article, who the hell do you think those off-white people are? I'd suggest visiting Iran and Turkey. You'd see both which the piece above clearly suggests is a foreign element. That is certainly not being suggested of those who'd fall under Black:

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Not only are the poorer classes darker in complexion, but they tend to display more *****"African"**** cultural traits. Much of the music they enjoy has rhythmic beats that are reminiscent of those of the music of Africa ****south ****of the Sahara, with an emphasis on drums and percussion. The elite tend to favour classical Western-influenced music or Middle Eastern (Turkish and Persian) musical strains dominated by stringed instruments. While the poorer and working classes are more likely to dance spontaneously and with abandon in public, the elites tend to be more restrained. Much clapping and ululation accompanies street parties in low income areas, the elites, in sharp contrast, shun these ****"baladi"**** literally "country" traits, suggestive of the African.

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PS: I suggest shutting up, Fawal. Maybe I'd join the many who **** young women from your land. However, I wouldn't want to mess around with such dirty people. Please tone down your ego.

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I ask pride, do you understand that Al-Ahram is one of the leading news portals in Egypt? It predates the internet and is as mainstream as ABC or FOX. The irony is that this portal is government-owned, so it's quite far from Afrocentrism.

So I ask, who are these off-white people being referred to? Why are those traits being described as foreign to the Nile? That is, brought by invaders, while those dark complexions aren't framed in a similar manner. In other words, you're talking of people who would resemble Nile populations even today.

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Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Tsk..tsk..tsk... Too bad for the Afrocoons. Hawass has not retracted his statement; Tut, just as his north African people, was caucasoid.

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The Egyptians see themselves as essentially sumr, or "dark". However, for all intents and purposes this is a most confusing and contentious term. If an individual is described as asmar, the masculine, or samra, the feminine, they could range in colour from the southern Sudanese ebony or indigo black, a west African chocolate or mahogany black, the various copper and honey-toned Ethiopian and Somali types, to the olive or ****off-white dark-haired Mediterranean or Middle Eastern-looking type****.
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Upper class Egyptians, often fairer than their poorer compatriots, invariably look down on lower class Egyptians who tend to be darker in complexion. There is a subtle correlation between lower income and darker complexion. The Egyptian upper classes and elites tend to be noticeably lighter in complexion than their poorer and working class compatriots. "They labour in the sun," is sometimes the cynical explanation.

But, a more accurate explanation would be that Egypt has for thousands of years been ruled by foreign, and lighter-skinned, invaders -- ***Persians, Greeks, Romans***, Arabs, ***Turks***, the French and British. A large section of the pre-revolutionary Egyptian elite could trace their ancestry to Balkan, Caucasian and Turkish roots. Moreover, Napoleon Bonaparte's French expedition was notorious for sowing its seeds in places like the Delta city of Mansoura whose women are reputedly "exceptionally beautiful"; in Egyptian common parlance that means fair-skinned, with light-coloured eyes and hair. Link

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2002/598/li1.htm

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Not only are the poorer classes darker in complexion, but they tend to display more *****"African"**** cultural traits. Much of the music they enjoy has rhythmic beats that are reminiscent of those of the music of Africa ****south ****of the Sahara, with an emphasis on drums and percussion. The elite tend to favour classical Western-influenced music or Middle Eastern (Turkish and Persian) musical strains dominated by stringed instruments. While the poorer and working classes are more likely to dance spontaneously and with abandon in public, the elites tend to be more restrained. Much clapping and ululation accompanies street parties in low income areas, the elites, in sharp contrast, shun these ****"baladi"**** literally "country" traits, suggestive of the African.

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Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Tsk..tsk..tsk... Too bad for the Afrocoons. Hawass has not retracted his statement; Tut, just as his north African people, was caucasoid.

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Hawass is an archaeologist, not a physical anthropologist, so he's not necessarily more qualified to speak on the biological relationships of ancient Egyptians than anyone on this forum.

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It's rather ironic, I studied biochemistry at the undergraduate level. I swear I could remember those courses usually having terrible admission scores.

Point being, if we were dealing with archeology, I'd take him more seriously. For instance, has he ever suggested that Ancient Egyptian is derived from a Mesopotamian source? That would be interesting to hear, but the man would have to back his word with either literature, or data derived from his field research.
 

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Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
 

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Originally posted by Bob_01:
It's rather ironic, I studied biochemistry at the undergraduate level. I swear I could remember those courses usually having terrible admission scores.

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Originally posted by Truthcentric:
Speaking of college, I'm considering studying to become a physical anthropologist myself. Were I in that position, I'd lay this issue (and a number of related ones) to rest once and for all. I wonder what classes I should take to pursue that goal?

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Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Please keep the board abreast on the matter of you deciding whether to pursue a study in physical anthropolgy. In the event you do, we can contact the college & present them with all your non-sensical, Afro-loon rambling postings from the EgyptSearch forum archive. That way they can see you for the Afro-coon jive turkey that you are and reject your application for admission; and of course, I posit my statement unequivacally (if that makes any sense LOL).

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Originally posted by Truthcentric:
Speaking of college, I'm considering studying to become a physical anthropologist myself. Were I in that position, I'd lay this issue (and a number of related ones) to rest once and for all. I wonder what classes I should take to pursue that goal?

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Originally posted by StTigray:
"Afrocoon"?
AND people still believes this ignorant clown, is even half black.

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Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:
^^^
Why are yall letting this uneducated and Debunked ass ruin our recent progress..??

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Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Negro, I am 100% black and of the pure Haitian extract. Now go fvck yourself porch monkey.

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Originally posted by StTigray:
"Afrocoon"?
AND people still believes this ignorant clown, is even half black.

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Last time I recall you was only quarter black, a mullatoe or mix race loon; now you are totally black...100%

Me thinks that you really is 100% pink-jallow.
 

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Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
 

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The 'black Egypt' loons on this board are quiet today. The DNA tests are in and nobody is talking about the King's race. Why? The truth is that there is about as much public interest in the race of Ancient egyptians as there is in the sex life of the snail darter.

As for Dr Hawass, well, he was right again. Two years ago he said the younger lady was most likely Tut's mother Kiya....bingo, he was correct. We also know now that the red headed Elder Lady is indeed Queen Tiy.

One wonders if the afro loons saw the insult National geo tossed their way. The Tut mask with thin lips was a total insult, a slap in the face.

So where are we, there is no DNA evidence and the whining will continue here on egyptsearch. The rest of the world moved on long ago.

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It's rather ironic, I studied biochemistry at the undergraduate level. I swear I could remember those courses usually having terrible admission scores.

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I hope it depends on the college, or else an awful lot of incompetent people would be getting into prestigious sciences.

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Speaking of college, I'm considering studying to become a physical anthropologist myself. Were I in that position, I'd lay this issue (and a number of related ones) to rest once and for all. I wonder what classes I should take to pursue that goal?

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You'll be my hero if you specialize in genetics, with a good base in comparative biology. A good anatomy and physiology base, some biochemistry is good, under a solidified evolutionary biology program. There is no actual program deals with describing diversity, but it's done.

PS: I am certain Argyle would suffer from a brain stoke, if he were to sit in a lecture involving much of the sciences. The term "Black" is used to describe the phene of organisms, for instance, despite not literally being opaque. As for your endeavors, hope you succeed.
 

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Posted by Bob_01 (Member # 15687) on :
 

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Originally posted by Nubian1984:
I've just noticed a third thread today. So I'm going to ask again, has their been an official release of the DNA again? Or was it just lineage stuff?

Thanks

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Originally posted by Hammer:
Barbara Watterson deals with the issue in her book on Akhenaten as well as the concept of red hair in general. Everytime red hair is brought up on this forum we get the same worn out knee jerk reaction i.e. hair dye etc. The ion microscope technology looks at hair at it's deepest level and according to Dr. Watterson is as accurate as a fingerprint.
The woman has red hair, that we know.

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When the hell was a Egyptologist a biologist? I'm really hoping U of C, and other Art faculties get folded. I mean, is this a culture or what in that sector. I don't claim to be some expert in Baroque horse excrement. Cite the excerpt Hammer.

We do it, you need to start doing that. Since we're dealing with SECONDARY evidence, why don't you post literature from biologists or forensic scientists those claims? i.e. hair color (the phene itself) is as accurate as finger identification. We also need the hair samples from Queen Tiye too.

Provide the samples used for Tiye, and, also, how accurately the phene of soft keratin could be used to identify socially-constructed groups. I am finding this claim rather interesting. You'd expect someone who studied close to this area to easily spot bullshit. Oh, and we're not dealing with hair strand analysis. Instead we're referring to the pigmentation of the actual hair itself.

Since we're dealing with "Caucasians", what evidence do you have that "Negroids" cannot develop such traits? What marker is involve in the development of this unique trait? Why is it found in Australia Aboriginals? Why is it found amongst Africans themselves? I mean, you're suggesting that the light brown hair, so common amongst Blacks (note: Horemheb is obviously some suburbanite) is rare.

The problem here, you're comparing rather specific traits, with analysis based on cranio-facial analysis, body plain, AND melanin. The last two are most comprehensive. Why? Because it deals with the entire body. That's especially when skeletal samples suggest that greatest approximation is to Nile sub-Saharan Africans, so we must question the use of hair color.

To heighten our discussion, which biologist has suggested that hair color, itself, is more reliable than those major traits? It would be akin to saying that the hair is as reliable as a source as the corpse itself. You need to valid your position.

PS: Don't quote books unless you cite the literature being used. I didn't invest in an education in the sciences, that white kids don't want to do, so that I could be seeing an empirical system that is from radically different discipline. The way Horemheb cite sources, it's akin to consulting literature on say, Herrenknecht double shield TBMs, with a diameter of 9.51m in order to effectively employ microsurgery in a cardiac bypass operation. Let's stick to the discipline of discussion!
 

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Posted by Apocalypse (Member # 8587) on :
 

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Barbara Watterson deals with the issue in her book on Akhenaten as well as the concept of red hair in general. Everytime red hair is brought up on this forum we get the same worn out knee jerk reaction i.e. hair dye etc. The ion microscope technology looks at hair at it's deepest level and according to Dr. Watterson is as accurate as a fingerprint.
The woman has red hair, that we know.

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Barbara Watterson deals with the issue in her book on Akhenaten as well as the concept of red hair in general. Everytime red hair is brought up on this forum we get the same worn out knee jerk reaction i.e. hair dye etc. The ion microscope technology looks at hair at it's deepest level and according to Dr. Watterson is as accurate as a fingerprint.
The woman has red hair, that we know.

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She probably did not have red hair but even if she did it does not make her "caucasian". Red tinged hair or red hair is not unknown among black people. Red Foxx and Malcolm X are two famous examples.

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It's funny. Hair color is not the result of homogeneous strands, but rather heterogeneous strands. Colors vary, I've seen blonde or white strands amongst those who with dark brown.

This suggests that hair itself is quite elastic, where coloration would vary, especially over time. The irony here is that brown hair is a lot more closer to red hair than blonde. You would think that such a hair color would be rather common amongst Africans.

We're waiting for your evidence, Horemheb. You've made a lot of claims, yet no materials to back them. I still want to see paper listing "Caucasian"-specific hair color. I mean, with that faulty logic, we may as well consider all dark-haired Greeks "black". Also, does anyone know how common this red hair phenomena is amongst known mummies?

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"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
Through the Looking Glass.

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This quote is relevant because it captures an important aspect of the caucasian concept: it can be stretched to incorporate anything! On the other hand the definition of what is black and who is black has to be narrowed to accomodate this biological imperialism.
 

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Posted by Kalonji (Member # 17303) on :
 
^nice quote
 

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Posted by Apocalypse (Member # 8587) on :
 
^brain washing I received as a kid in the West Indies
 

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Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
 

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Barbara Watterson deals with the issue in her book on Akhenaten as well as the concept of red hair in general. Everytime red hair is brought up on this forum we get the same worn out knee jerk reaction i.e. hair dye etc. The ion microscope technology looks at hair at it's deepest level and according to Dr. Watterson is as accurate as a fingerprint.
The woman has red hair, that we know.

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She probably did not have red hair but even if she did it does not make her "caucasian". Red tinged hair or red hair is not unknown among black people. Red Foxx and Malcolm X are two famous examples.

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For the record, Hawass own personal opinion is the modern Egyptians closest to the ancient Egyptians are those living in Southern(Upper Egypt). Also, there has never really been any microscopic analysis of the hair of the elder lady to say her definitive color. If there exist such studies then I ask whomever making such claims post it as a reference. Better yet, post a direct quotation from the study or book.

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LOL, I went to a predominantly black Highschool starting my Soph. Year and I have seen with my own eyes Blacks with Brown, Blond and Red natural hair. This is nothing new the Red Hair thig is old. Even the Cocroach Liar Mathilda points out blondism amoung the Northern Sudanese and other so called Nubians..nothing new and such a discussion on Red Hair should be dismissed on the fact that all these people rallying for Red Heaired mummies can not provide a single shred of evidence of Invasions of Red Haired Leukoderms from the Mid East and none what so ever exist for Invaders from Europe prior to the Dynasty of Ramses.

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You guys need to do a little surfing today. Tut was of european background.

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Originally posted by AswaniAswad:
Hhahahhahahah come on guys i am from egypt and the ancient egyptians are related to Europeans and Arabs with nice white fine features come on guys we all know that Europeans came before african.

Europeans have always been in Africa they are the most ancient people of africa. First man had straight hair and didnt get kinky until they went deep into the african jungle hahahhahhahh.

Come on We Whites Wrote so many books and ancient texts look at Homer the first to write books the Odyssey and Illad before any african could even speak or draw.

Hahahahhah silly Europeans Ancient Egyptians had parents and ancestors much older than them

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I've just noticed a third thread today. So I'm going to ask again, has their been an official release of the DNA again? Or was it just lineage stuff?

Thanks

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Originally posted by AswaniAswad:
Hhahahhahahah come on guys i am from egypt and the ancient egyptians are related to Europeans and Arabs with nice white fine features come on guys we all know that Europeans came before african.

Europeans have always been in Africa they are the most ancient people of africa. First man had straight hair and didnt get kinky until they went deep into the african jungle hahahhahhahh.

Come on We Whites Wrote so many books and ancient texts look at Homer the first to write books the Odyssey and Illad before any african could even speak or draw.

Hahahahhah silly Europeans Ancient Egyptians had parents and ancestors much older than them

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Your English is not to good some I am not following you at all. Are you saying that Black evolved from White people?

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Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Negro, I am 100% black and of the pure Haitian extract. Now go fvck yourself porch monkey.

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Originally posted by StTigray:
"Afrocoon"?
AND people still believes this ignorant clown, is even half black.

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Jari, it's pointless to think that Blacks are that composed. He above is an uncle tom. From what I've heard from Dominicans, not necessarily unusual amongst Haitians. The same goes for other Black users, who maintain a "soft' stance, and yet let the status quo fly. I'm saying, too much Western culture over here.


Hammer, get over it. Tut was Black. We provided evidence. That is what everyone who lurks here realizes. It would include Northern Europeans, or maybe "Mediterraneans", who don't like being said that 1) modern "Egyptians" (Fella/ Saedis, especially) descent from AE populations, 2) AE approximate closest with Nile and Red Sea Africans, and 3) those populations I described cluster with each other more than to say, "West Africans".

You know, the stereotypical type that is more numerous in the United States than Nigeria itself. If one were to visit Northern Nigeria, the various areas of Ghana, Eastern Congo, you'll see a lot of Black "Caucasoids" as well. Oh well, however, do understand, that even that Forest Negro approximates closer to AE, modern Egyptians, Nile peoples than those of European descent, and many Middle Easterners. That would include say Iran, the Kurdish states, the region that is referred to as Mesopotamia.

As Is said before you provided nothing, Horemheb. You still have not referred to forensic scientists on the use of hair, and the degree of hair COLOR diversity amongst Black Africans. We're not dealing with just the hair type (i.e. my hair strand diameter is likely thicker than all whites), but rather something as petty as pigmentation. At least cite what that Barbara, whatever cites, so we could at least go somewhere.

Seems like, I need to stress it again, we're dealing with Black folks. Cold adapted, white skinned, IE-speaking peoples, weren't just there and that's a shame. Please go look for that mysterious ancient kingdom of magic that was based in Northern Europe.
 

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Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
 
Bob_01

If you feel that you need to teach a lesson to these racists, then I won't say anything wrong with it.

Africans need to stand strong and not let people walk over them. I speak of unity all the time, but there is just some fishy things going on that bothers me. Africans need to be respected, I would rather it come about peacefully but sometimes you have to put a fire on the racist.

Peace
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
It appears the Euronuts are going crazy over this Tut DNA thing, and yet the findings say NOTHING about population affinity and only speaks of his familial relations!

By the way, I am sick and tired of this redhead b.s. that Hammered brains keeps spouting! Natural red hair is extremely rare in the Middle East and especially in Egypt (which of course is in Africa). The ion microscopy results that Hammered keeps bringing up only shows that natural phaelomelanin pigment was found in Egyptian mummies. For those who don't know, phaelomelanin is the pigment responsible for lighter hues in hair. However, minimal amounts of phaelomelanin is quite common in dark-haired individuals including black Africans. This is why dark hair that is not jet-black but slightly lighter with a only a very slight brownish tinge is due to phaelomelanin. However as I and others have pointed out many times, the chemical structure of hair is subject to change especially if subject to embalming substances from mummification and especially after extremely long periods of time (thousands of years) of exposure to extremely dry environments.

If one were to go by Hammered's idiotic views, then these ancient Native Americans of Peru below must have been red-heads when they were alive as well.







^ Ironically it was such so-called "evidence" of hair color that led Nazi scientists to believe the ancient Incas were ruled by white 'Aryans'! Funny how such simple-minded silliness is still perpetuated today.
 

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Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 

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Originally posted by Djehuti:

It appears the Euronuts are going crazy over this Tut DNA thing, and yet the findings say NOTHING about population affinity and only speaks of his familial relations!

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Originally posted by Apocalypse:

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Barbara Watterson deals with the issue in her book on Akhenaten as well as the concept of red hair in general. Everytime red hair is brought up on this forum we get the same worn out knee jerk reaction i.e. hair dye etc. The ion microscope technology looks at hair at it's deepest level and according to Dr. Watterson is as accurate as a fingerprint.
The woman has red hair, that we know.

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She probably did not have red hair but even if she did it does not make her "caucasian". Red tinged hair or red hair is not unknown among black people. Red Foxx and Malcolm X are two famous examples.

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LOL, I went to a predominantly black Highschool starting my Soph. Year and I have seen with my own eyes Blacks with Brown, Blond and Red natural hair. This is nothing new the Red Hair thig is old. Even the Cocroach Liar Mathilda points out blondism amoung the Northern Sudanese and other so called Nubians..nothing new and such a discussion on Red Hair should be dismissed on the fact that all these people rallying for Red Heaired mummies can not provide a single shred of evidence of Invasions of Red Haired Leukoderms from the Mid East and none what so ever exist for Invaders from Europe prior to the Dynasty of Ramses.

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Originally posted by AswaniAswad:
Hhahahhahahah come on guys i am from egypt and the ancient egyptians are related to Europeans and Arabs with nice white fine features come on guys we all know that Europeans came before african.

Europeans have always been in Africa they are the most ancient people of africa. First man had straight hair and didnt get kinky until they went deep into the african jungle hahahhahhahh.

Come on We Whites Wrote so many books and ancient texts look at Homer the first to write books the Odyssey and Illad before any african could even speak or draw.

Hahahahhah silly Europeans Ancient Egyptians had parents and ancestors much older than them

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Your English is not to good some I am not following you at all. Are you saying that Black evolved from White people?

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Lol, Osirion perhaps you should have made sure your English was understandable, and tried proofreading your reply before making a comment about someone else's grammar...perhaps?

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Anything new released guys? So far I read nothing new on the official DNA.

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
It appears the Euronuts are going crazy over this Tut DNA thing, and yet the findings say NOTHING about population affinity and only speaks of his familial relations!

By the way, I am sick and tired of this redhead b.s. that Hammered brains keeps spouting! Natural red hair is extremely rare in the Middle East and especially in Egypt (which of course is in Africa). The ion microscopy results that Hammered keeps bringing up only shows that natural phaelomelanin pigment was found in Egyptian mummies. For those who don't know, phaelomelanin is the pigment responsible for lighter hues in hair. However, minimal amounts of phaelomelanin is quite common in dark-haired individuals including black Africans. This is why dark hair that is not jet-black but slightly lighter with a only a very slight brownish tinge is due to phaelomelanin. However as I and others have pointed out many times, the chemical structure of hair is subject to change especially if subject to embalming substances from mummification and especially after extremely long periods of time (thousands of years) of exposure to extremely dry environments.

If one were to go by Hammered's idiotic views, then these ancient Native Americans of Peru below must have been red-heads when they were alive as well.







^ Ironically it was such so-called "evidence" of hair color that led Nazi scientists to believe the ancient Incas were ruled by white 'Aryans'! Funny how such simple-minded silliness is still perpetuated today.

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Bravo, Djehuti for this fine rebuttal but unfortunately nutty Hammered people aren't able to understand the subtleties of this type of in depth analysis so don't be surprised if they just ignore it.
 

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Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 

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Originally posted by Hammer:
The 'black Egypt' loons on this board are quiet today. The DNA tests are in and nobody is talking about the King's race. Why? The truth is that there is about as much public interest in the race of Ancient egyptians as there is in the sex life of the snail darter.

As for Dr Hawass, well, he was right again. Two years ago he said the younger lady was most likely Tut's mother Kiya....bingo, he was correct. We also know now that the red headed Elder Lady is indeed Queen Tiy.

One wonders if the afro loons saw the insult National geo tossed their way. The Tut mask with thin lips was a total insult, a slap in the face.

So where are we, there is no DNA evidence and the whining will continue here on egyptsearch. The rest of the world moved on long ago.

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I guess you don't know what Kiya looked like Hammered.

If you think anybody on this board with sense is going to ever believe Kiya, Tiyye and other obviously African women - that could easily be represented by some black woman walking down the street in Harlem, NY, Nairobi, Kenya or New Orleans is closely related to you or Europeans - you are crazier than I thought you were.
 

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Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 

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Originally posted by Narmer Menes:

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Originally posted by White Nord:
LMAO Just as I fucking thought Though TUT was not black as Negrocentrics claim the proof is in the fucking DNA HA HA HA HA!

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/news/tutankhamun-now-we-know-who-the-mummys-mummy-was-1901730.html


Yawn.

The only thing the DNA results proved is that Akenaten and Tutankhamun African looks were definately NOT a result of a genetic disorder like Eurocentrics like to claim. Sorry dude, those thick lips were home grown in Africa.

Have a nice day.

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I want to also reinterated that the early Western Asian farmers that may or may have not back migrated into Europe/Northern Africa did not look like modern Europeans. I doubt their phenotype was much like the modern populations you see in modern day Western Asia as well. Before anybody jumps up in glee that this proves ancient Egyptians were like modern Europeans needs to take this in consideration.

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Originally posted by osirion:
You guys really would maintain this argument even if Tut was R1b? Lets face it, an R1b Tut fits the Aryan model. It would mean an early Aryan domination of the Nile valley civilization similar to the Indus valley.

If Tut was R1b then Caucasoid dilution theories are now far more debatable.

It would mean an Indo-European class of Egyptians.

I can understand a J1 Tut but not a R1b. White upper class in Egypt? Sounds more like modern Egypt and ancient. Sounds like things were not so different back then as they are now.

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Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:

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Originally posted by osirion:
You guys really would maintain this argument even if Tut was R1b? Lets face it, an R1b Tut fits the Aryan model. It would mean an early Aryan domination of the Nile valley civilization similar to the Indus valley.

If Tut was R1b then Caucasoid dilution theories are now far more debatable.

It would mean an Indo-European class of Egyptians.

I can understand a J1 Tut but not a R1b. White upper class in Egypt? Sounds more like modern Egypt and ancient. Sounds like things were not so different back then as they are now.

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Provide the document that says Tut was R1b..

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I can understand a J1 Tut but not a R1b. White upper class in Egypt? Sounds more like modern Egypt and ancient. Sounds like things were not so different back then as they are now.

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Originally posted by dana marniche:

I guess you don't know what Kiya looked like Hammered.

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I think he confuses Kiya's alabaster bust for actual white skin. LOL




Lord knows Hammered knows how Tiye looked like since he's seen her painted bust a million times in this forum

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If you think anybody on this board with sense is going to ever believe Kiya, Tiyye and other obviously African women - that could easily be represented by some black woman walking down the street in Harlem, NY, Nairobi, Kenya or New Orleans is closely related to you or Europeans - you are crazier than I thought you were.

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Of course he's crazy! What sane person would post even a quarter of the stuff he posts here. Also, he obviously hasn't noticed the ludicrousness in suggesting that women with African names like Tiye and Kiya who are natives of Africa were actually some redheaded white women.
 

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Posted by Bob_01 (Member # 15687) on :
 

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Originally posted by xyyman:
That's whats up. Not in a million years Tut was R1b.

Remember all the BS about Rameses having red hair. What a ridiculous idea. This was proven wrong. Now this speculation about Tut being R1b... . a western European. GTFOH!!.

I am really surprised with the response by some of you brothas. Panicking and shiit. Laying claim to R1b. 2ya when I proposed a similar idea. . .

I said before there are few white men I can trust. Although I have good relationship with some.

You know what is at stake. They are either going to lie about the results or keep the results secret. Hawass don't want to be embarrassed. Remember the demonstrations at the Franklin Institute in Philly(Tut exhibits).

We have to be one step ahead people.

It is too late. The debate is over. Fudging data is not enough now. The cat is out the bag.

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Originally posted by xyyman:
That's whats up. Not in a million years Tut was R1b.

Remember all the BS about Rameses having red hair. What a ridiculous idea. This was proven wrong. Now this speculation about Tut being R1b... . a western European. GTFOH!!.

I am really surprised with the response by some of you brothas. Panicking and shiit. Laying claim to R1b. 2ya when I proposed a similar idea. . .

I said before there are few white men I can trust. Although I have good relationship with some.

You know what is at stake. They are either going to lie about the results or keep the results secret. Hawass don't want to be embarrassed. Remember the demonstrations at the Franklin Institute in Philly(Tut exhibits).

We have to be one step ahead people.

It is too late. The debate is over. Fudging data is not enough now. The cat is out the bag.

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No one was Panicking, curiosity rather than Panic. Also If R1b is of a Western European. Show me one Western European that look like this:






I mean Damn it The Skin Color is the same as Mine, Thick Lips I mean WTF?? How can some one with a straight ace say these people Are Caucasian or White people?? Then turn around in the same blog and accuse Afrocentrics of distorting evidence and claiming others history?? Its Fk-ing Hypocracy.!! Plain and simple...
 

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Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
 

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Originally posted by osirion:
You guys really would maintain this argument even if Tut was R1b? Lets face it, an R1b Tut fits the Aryan model. It would mean an early Aryan domination of the Nile valley civilization similar to the Indus valley.

If Tut was R1b then Caucasoid dilution theories are now far more debatable.

It would mean an Indo-European class of Egyptians.

I can understand a J1 Tut but not a R1b. White upper class in Egypt? Sounds more like modern Egypt and ancient. Sounds like things were not so different back then as they are now.

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If there is no documentation the shut up about it. You sound stupid and honestly I can see why Explorer attacked you the way he did. You come here and accuse us of makeing the Egyptian blck to steal its legacy due to inferiority but yet the second some delusional troll whose credibility is a valuable as a fake dollar bill come here and says the Egyptians were Europeans you waste no time saying they were Indo Europeans and had White ROYAL CLASS of ARYAN INVADERS??? You go to be fu#ing kidding me, Of all the Dumb Sh#t I have heard that is probably the to 5. There is no evidence of Indo Europeans in Egypt let alone Invading Egypt nor is there any Evidence of some White Caste System in Egypt. At best any Indo European was a slave or a Whore in a Harem. The Egyptians were Tropically adapted Native Africans of the Nile Valley, Archeaology Proves this, Egyptology Proves this, Greek History Proves this, Hebrew History Proves this. Egypt was Black especially the 18th who Originated in Upper Egypt where you can take a trip there today and See The decendants of the Upper Egyptians and the Northern Sudanese. Go over and Find me the White Upper class Aryans??

N.Sudan


If you want to Hypotetically imagine some European Dominated Indo-European Speaking White Egypt there are plenty of places you can Go, storm Front, Mathidas blog..etc. Plus many more like the Threads that claim Tut has r1b without any proof except someone who claims to have seen it on a clip. On Egypt Search King Tut and Egypt will never be upheld as a White Nation. Call Us Fringe, Call us Afrocentric, Call us Nigger, Call Us Slaves, Make fun of Us but you Will never beat us in Debate, You wont win. We have people all over the New scared to post Here. People that get all the hoopla, MAthilda, Dienkies, Stormfront, Argue With Everyone, Evil Euro/Racial Reality etc. Sickening how people propose that European were in Egyptian Royal lineages but get up in ares when we speak the truth.

GTFOH
 

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Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
 

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I can understand a J1 Tut but not a R1b. White upper class in Egypt? Sounds more like modern Egypt and ancient. Sounds like things were not so different back then as they are now.

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This statement is beyond ridiculous. I hope everyone understands that King Tut and the entire line of 18th dynasty kings before him starting with Ahmose I were all black regardless of what their DNA may be.

I agree that there is currently no basis for concluding that he is R1b other than wild internet speculation. Even if Tut were found to be R1b (and its a big IF)lets not throw out the baby with the bath water: he was still unquestionably BLACK!

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Originally posted by osirion:

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Originally posted by Apocalypse:

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I can understand a J1 Tut but not a R1b. White upper class in Egypt? Sounds more like modern Egypt and ancient. Sounds like things were not so different back then as they are now.

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This statement is beyond ridiculous. I hope everyone understands that King Tut and the entire line of 18th dynasty kings before him starting with Ahmose I were all black regardless of what their DNA may be.

I agree that there is currently no basis for concluding that he is R1b other than wild internet speculation. Even if Tut were found to be R1b (and its a big IF)lets not throw out the baby with the bath water: he was still unquestionably BLACK!

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An R1b Tut means he is likely to have been of European origin. He is suppose to be of Southern Egyptian origin. How could R1b be that far down in Egypt at this time? If he really was R1b then there is no baby to throw out. The reconstructions are genuine and he is basically White with minor African admixture. It also means that the Hawass is trying to cover up the European origin of the Pharaonic class during this era.

Doesn't make any sense.

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Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:

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Originally posted by osirion:
You guys really would maintain this argument even if Tut was R1b? Lets face it, an R1b Tut fits the Aryan model. It would mean an early Aryan domination of the Nile valley civilization similar to the Indus valley.

If Tut was R1b then Caucasoid dilution theories are now far more debatable.

It would mean an Indo-European class of Egyptians.

I can understand a J1 Tut but not a R1b. White upper class in Egypt? Sounds more like modern Egypt and ancient. Sounds like things were not so different back then as they are now.

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If there is no documentation the shut up about it. You sound stupid and honestly I can see why Explorer attacked you the way he did. You come here and accuse us of makeing the Egyptian blck to steal its legacy due to inferiority but yet the second some delusional troll whose credibility is a valuable as a fake dollar bill come here and says the Egyptians were Europeans you waste no time saying they were Indo Europeans and had White ROYAL CLASS of ARYAN INVADERS??? You go to be fu#ing kidding me, Of all the Dumb Sh#t I have heard that is probably the to 5. There is no evidence of Indo Europeans in Egypt let alone Invading Egypt nor is there any Evidence of some White Caste System in Egypt. At best any Indo European was a slave or a Whore in a Harem. The Egyptians were Tropically adapted Native Africans of the Nile Valley, Archeaology Proves this, Egyptology Proves this, Greek History Proves this, Hebrew History Proves this. Egypt was Black especially the 18th who Originated in Upper Egypt where you can take a trip there today and See The decendants of the Upper Egyptians and the Northern Sudanese. Go over and Find me the White Upper class Aryans??

N.Sudan


If you want to Hypotetically imagine some European Dominated Indo-European Speaking White Egypt there are plenty of places you can Go, storm Front, Mathidas blog..etc. Plus many more like the Threads that claim Tut has r1b without any proof except someone who claims to have seen it on a clip. On Egypt Search King Tut and Egypt will never be upheld as a White Nation. Call Us Fringe, Call us Afrocentric, Call us Nigger, Call Us Slaves, Make fun of Us but you Will never beat us in Debate, You wont win. We have people all over the New scared to post Here. People that get all the hoopla, MAthilda, Dienkies, Stormfront, Argue With Everyone, Evil Euro/Racial Reality etc. Sickening how people propose that European were in Egyptian Royal lineages but get up in ares when we speak the truth.

GTFOH

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Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:

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Originally posted by osirion:

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Originally posted by Apocalypse:

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I can understand a J1 Tut but not a R1b. White upper class in Egypt? Sounds more like modern Egypt and ancient. Sounds like things were not so different back then as they are now.

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This statement is beyond ridiculous. I hope everyone understands that King Tut and the entire line of 18th dynasty kings before him starting with Ahmose I were all black regardless of what their DNA may be.

I agree that there is currently no basis for concluding that he is R1b other than wild internet speculation. Even if Tut were found to be R1b (and its a big IF)lets not throw out the baby with the bath water: he was still unquestionably BLACK!

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An R1b Tut means he is likely to have been of European origin. He is suppose to be of Southern Egyptian origin. How could R1b be that far down in Egypt at this time? If he really was R1b then there is no baby to throw out. The reconstructions are genuine and he is basically White with minor African admixture. It also means that the Hawass is trying to cover up the European origin of the Pharaonic class during this era.

Doesn't make any sense.

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Tut Does not have R1b, Tut can BE a God Damn Martian the same as he can be a European. There is no Evidence of Europeans in Egypt during Tuts time.

What meakes no sense is that R1b is even upheld, No What is even more F-ing Said is that you would even entertain an Idea of Whites in Egypt during the 25th Dynasty before any Literate society came about in Europe.

You fantacy is just that a Fantacy.

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Originally posted by osirion:

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Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:

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Originally posted by osirion:
You guys really would maintain this argument even if Tut was R1b? Lets face it, an R1b Tut fits the Aryan model. It would mean an early Aryan domination of the Nile valley civilization similar to the Indus valley.

If Tut was R1b then Caucasoid dilution theories are now far more debatable.

It would mean an Indo-European class of Egyptians.

I can understand a J1 Tut but not a R1b. White upper class in Egypt? Sounds more like modern Egypt and ancient. Sounds like things were not so different back then as they are now.

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If there is no documentation the shut up about it. You sound stupid and honestly I can see why Explorer attacked you the way he did. You come here and accuse us of makeing the Egyptian blck to steal its legacy due to inferiority but yet the second some delusional troll whose credibility is a valuable as a fake dollar bill come here and says the Egyptians were Europeans you waste no time saying they were Indo Europeans and had White ROYAL CLASS of ARYAN INVADERS??? You go to be fu#ing kidding me, Of all the Dumb Sh#t I have heard that is probably the to 5. There is no evidence of Indo Europeans in Egypt let alone Invading Egypt nor is there any Evidence of some White Caste System in Egypt. At best any Indo European was a slave or a Whore in a Harem. The Egyptians were Tropically adapted Native Africans of the Nile Valley, Archeaology Proves this, Egyptology Proves this, Greek History Proves this, Hebrew History Proves this. Egypt was Black especially the 18th who Originated in Upper Egypt where you can take a trip there today and See The decendants of the Upper Egyptians and the Northern Sudanese. Go over and Find me the White Upper class Aryans??

N.Sudan


If you want to Hypotetically imagine some European Dominated Indo-European Speaking White Egypt there are plenty of places you can Go, storm Front, Mathidas blog..etc. Plus many more like the Threads that claim Tut has r1b without any proof except someone who claims to have seen it on a clip. On Egypt Search King Tut and Egypt will never be upheld as a White Nation. Call Us Fringe, Call us Afrocentric, Call us Nigger, Call Us Slaves, Make fun of Us but you Will never beat us in Debate, You wont win. We have people all over the New scared to post Here. People that get all the hoopla, MAthilda, Dienkies, Stormfront, Argue With Everyone, Evil Euro/Racial Reality etc. Sickening how people propose that European were in Egyptian Royal lineages but get up in ares when we speak the truth.

GTFOH

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R1b would be difficult to argue against. I think it would be a waste of time. Even if King Tut is Black, the fact he is R1b means Europeans were in the male lineage of the Pharoahs or even Indians.

R1b King Tut would change my position. It would mean Egypt and India are more than just similar civilizations.

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^ R1b is yDNA and thus the whore example is non-sensical.

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Originally posted by Doug M:
Bottom line, provide the actual evidence in a peer reviewed journal that the 18th dynasty had R1b.
Anything else is pure nonsense and Osirion is simply a passive troll for suggesting otherwise.

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Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:

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Originally posted by osirion:
^ R1b is yDNA and thus the whore example is non-sensical.

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The problem is not the R1b, provide a source and we can debate on that, the problem is your lack of logic. To you Egyptians are Tri-Lankan, Indian, Aryans anything but Africans.

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Originally posted by Bob_01:
Osirion is a funny guy. He seems to link Hg R, with Europe, when it's anything but that. The uni-parental marker he is likely referring to is likely R1b1b2.

The parental clade doesn't have a European origin, but a southwest Asian. The pre-historic population within the region, as I stressed, looked like sub-Saharan Africans. That'd be akin to suggesting that Amhara peoples are part "European", because some may uni-parental markets leading towards southwest Asia.

God, stupid people will always be stupid. Those cold adapted traits which is present amongst Europeans did not develop indigenously within southwest Asia, never mind pale skin. I swear, people can't be object, nor handle two discussions at once.

What we know:

1. STR data provided in the blurry video, with no clear heading isn't not Y-DNA data. It takes three misses to match with the data.

2. Hg R1, not R1b1b2, does not have a European origin, and has NOTHING to do with cold adapted, pale skinned Europeans. Peoples DO and HAVE changed, historically.

Jesus, stop being fucking stupid. This discussion is way beneath us. It's never too late to learn. However, it's never too early to kill yourself, because you won't.

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Originally posted by osirion:

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Originally posted by Bob_01:
Osirion is a funny guy. He seems to link Hg R, with Europe, when it's anything but that. The uni-parental marker he is likely referring to is likely R1b1b2.

The parental clade doesn't have a European origin, but a southwest Asian. The pre-historic population within the region, as I stressed, looked like sub-Saharan Africans. That'd be akin to suggesting that Amhara peoples are part "European", because some may uni-parental markets leading towards southwest Asia.

God, stupid people will always be stupid. Those cold adapted traits which is present amongst Europeans did not develop indigenously within southwest Asia, never mind pale skin. I swear, people can't be object, nor handle two discussions at once.

What we know:

1. STR data provided in the blurry video, with no clear heading isn't not Y-DNA data. It takes three misses to match with the data.

2. Hg R1, not R1b1b2, does not have a European origin, and has NOTHING to do with cold adapted, pale skinned Europeans. Peoples DO and HAVE changed, historically.

Jesus, stop being fucking stupid. This discussion is way beneath us. It's never too late to learn. However, it's never too early to kill yourself, because you won't. [/qb]

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R1b is Indo-European and is found amongst the Hittite people.

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The Amarna letters refers to these people as the origin of the royal lineage of the era in question. I have always dismissed this as lunacy. However, R1b find in the royal lineage of the 18th dynasty, if true, would support the Amarna letters in such a way to be very perplexing.

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We had assumed that the Southern Egyptian routed the Hyksos. But what if they were lead by White Hittites?

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It's just hypothetical at this point. And you guys need to stop treating this subject like religion. [/qb]

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Looks who talking. You morons seem to assume that Hg R1b1, is some sort of European uni-parental marker. We still haven't seen this cold adapted, pale skinned pre-historic southwest Asian. You sure as well can bet that I'd expect if you could refer to an actual pre-historic culture. Please don't do what PR did and refer to some inconsistent "Cro-Magnon" fiction, who were actually tropically adapted peoples.

I think we need to stress this fact. You are claiming that the indigenous peoples of southwest Asia were European. You know those Saudi populations that one could sell skin lightening products to. It really seems like people are lightening up the region excessively. Those in Southern Lebanon are light brown, while Iraqis look rather Pakistani. People in Saudi Arabia are somewhat darker than North Indians.

Oh well.

Here's your "Caucasoid":




 

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Posted by Bob_01 (Member # 15687) on :
 

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Originally posted by osirion:

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Originally posted by Doug M:
Bottom line, provide the actual evidence in a peer reviewed journal that the 18th dynasty had R1b.
Anything else is pure nonsense and Osirion is simply a passive troll for suggesting otherwise.

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I am not suggesting anything other than speaking hypothetically. You guys are acting more like religious people than scientific ones.

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You're the one who acts like a religious troll. I hate it when someone who'd likely be called a "nigger" maintaining that, unjustified, condescending attitude that is found in Horemheb/ Pride. People like you have made a rather radical claim that Hg Rb is a "European" marker.

It's quite well known that Hg R origins well within southwest Asia. What the hell were you doing when other user likely discussed this years ago? Just because you cross the Red Sea or Sinai doesn't somehow result to a radically different climate.

Do you think Syria is cold? Is the thick clothing associated in Northern European climate worn in Saudi Arabia? These lands would much resemble African climates within their proximity. For that reason, why in the world would these populations develop cold adapted traits?

I'm helping you, by repeating myself. I am referring to R1b, not R1b1b2. As for that clade, I think some people don't seem to understand why I'd question that to. What is the climatic range of the Iberian peninsula? Did you know that pale skin developed North Asia? I find it hard to believe that what I'm suggesting is a terribly new concept.

NOTE: R1b1b2 didn't coincide with the development of pale skin. Those populations with dark skin and tropically adapted proportion, were likely absorbed by lighter-skinned populations through skinned populations.

Refer to this thread:
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=002490

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Climate
Spain's climatic areas

Due to Spain's geographical situation and orographic conditions, the climate is extremely diverse; discounting the mountain climate, it can be roughly divided into five areas:

* A Continental Mediterranean climate in the inland areas of the Peninsula (largest city, Madrid).
* An Oceanic climate in Galicia and the coastal strip near the Bay of Biscay or (largest city, Bilbao). This area is often called Green Spain.
* A Semiarid climate or arid Mediterranean in the southeast (largest city, Murcia).
* A Mediterranean climate region extends from the Andalusian plain along the southern and eastern coasts up to the Pyrenees, on the seaward side of the mountain ranges that run near the coast. Also in Ceuta and Melilla (largest city, Barcelona). Localized Subtropical climate areas exist in the coasts of Granada and Málaga (Costa Tropical).
* A Subtropical climate in the Canary Islands (largest city, Las Palmas).
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Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:
Bob101 Don't waste your time with this Troll Osirion. Its not worth you time, let him rant his White Royal Aryan Invasion with himself. Talking to him is like talking to a brick wall.

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He's an idiot. However, the fool needs to get used to using material evidence, or just kill himself if he can't fit in. I have very little love for brother, who chooses to be a moron. We're not Rwandans being chased by Hutus militias. There are very little excuses that could be made, in my opinion.

Saying that, it's rather clear that the earlier R1b populations would NOT resemble Europeans. It is simply due to the fact that the pressures would've not produced those traits. I mean ****, we don't see indigenous cold adapted Siberians being proposed as being the original populations of say, Punjab, India. So why is the same illogical nonsense being proposed?

The same applies to the R1b1b2 mutation, because it didn't coincide with the development of either cold adaptation or pale skin. People really think that sex chromosomes can think. It's quite clear that those populations dispersed from Iberia, where pressures for cold adaption wouldn't be likely, and enhanced as the population went into Northern Europe.

We don't even know what exactly occurred. Those in the North could've been supplanted by paternally, but due to a larger female base maintained Northern European traits. It's rather a shame that political motives are so strong, thus stronger controls aren't used. The Neolithic samples may have resembled Horners, who are clearly not "Caucasoid" populations. Europe isn't one homogeneous continent, and should be scrutinized, just as Africa, has even if it frightens Orion.
 

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Barbara Watterson deals with the issue in her book on Akhenaten as well as the concept of red hair in general. Everytime red hair is brought up on this forum we get the same worn out knee jerk reaction i.e. hair dye etc. The ion microscope technology looks at hair at it's deepest level and according to Dr. Watterson is as accurate as a fingerprint.
The woman has red hair, that we know.

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She probably did not have red hair but even if she did it does not make her "caucasian". Red tinged hair or red hair is not unknown among black people. Red Foxx and Malcolm X are two famous examples.

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LOL, I went to a predominantly black Highschool starting my Soph. Year and I have seen with my own eyes Blacks with Brown, Blond and Red natural hair. This is nothing new the Red Hair thig is old. Even the Cocroach Liar Mathilda points out blondism amoung the Northern Sudanese and other so called Nubians..nothing new and such a discussion on Red Hair should be dismissed on the fact that all these people rallying for Red Heaired mummies can not provide a single shred of evidence of Invasions of Red Haired Leukoderms from the Mid East and none what so ever exist for Invaders from Europe prior to the Dynasty of Ramses.

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That is because you people have a good dose of white blood. Take a trip to sub- sahan Africa and find anybody with red or blondish hair. True Africa hairs is not black black like Asian but it is about there,

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... the Hittite people. The Amarna letters refers to these people as the origin of the royal lineage of the era in question.

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Originally posted by osirion:

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Originally posted by Bob_01:
Osirion is a funny guy. He seems to link Hg R, with Europe, when it's anything but that. The uni-parental marker he is likely referring to is likely R1b1b2.

The parental clade doesn't have a European origin, but a southwest Asian. The pre-historic population within the region, as I stressed, looked like sub-Saharan Africans. That'd be akin to suggesting that Amhara peoples are part "European", because some may uni-parental markets leading towards southwest Asia.

God, stupid people will always be stupid. Those cold adapted traits which is present amongst Europeans did not develop indigenously within southwest Asia, never mind pale skin. I swear, people can't be object, nor handle two discussions at once.

What we know:

1. STR data provided in the blurry video, with no clear heading isn't not Y-DNA data. It takes three misses to match with the data.

2. Hg R1, not R1b1b2, does not have a European origin, and has NOTHING to do with cold adapted, pale skinned Europeans. Peoples DO and HAVE changed, historically.

Jesus, stop being fucking stupid. This discussion is way beneath us. It's never too late to learn. However, it's never too early to kill yourself, because you won't.

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R1b is Indo-European and is found amongst the Hittite people.

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Evidence? Please provide evidence suggesting that pre-historic southwest Asian populations:

1) spoke an Indo-European tongue, and

2) featured cold adapted European traits, OR

3) independently developed Osama bin Laden's traits from a proto-human state, where which both "Caucasoids" and "African" are sister populations, vs. a daughter-mother relationship (respectively).

Do you know how much I hate stupid Africans? I like seeing a higher intellectual stature amongst my own. To be honest, when I read your posts, I think this forum flies into the dark ages. This must've been how the Europeans felt when they idly waiting for some African to transfer agriculture and writing.

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The Amarna letters refers to these people as the origin of the royal lineage of the era in question. I have always dismissed this as lunacy. However, R1b find in the royal lineage of the 18th dynasty, if true, would support the Amarna letters in such a way to be very perplexing.

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Do you know that you're committing the sin of anachronism? We're dealing the pre-historic populations who represent the origin of Hg R1b. I, for some reason, have a feeling you don't seem to understand that this period was one, where written history is said to not exist.

What the ****?

Did you use a time machine?

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We had assumed that the Southern Egyptian routed the Hyksos. But what if they were lead by White Hittites?

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Sounds like an assumption. They could have been Rhinos from Jupiter as well. What evidence do you base your speculation on?

More reading, less posting, and employing workable models.

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It's just hypothetical at this point. And you guys need to stop treating this subject like religion. [/qb]

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Looks who talking. You morons seem to assume that Hg R1b1, is some sort of European uni-parental marker. We still haven't seen this cold adapted, pale skinned pre-historic southwest Asian. You sure as well can bet that I'd expect if you could refer to an actual pre-historic culture. Please don't do what PR did and refer to some inconsistent "Cro-Magnon" fiction, who were actually tropically adapted peoples.

I think we need to stress this fact. You are claiming that the indigenous peoples of southwest Asia were European. You know those Saudi populations that one could sell skin lightening products to. It really seems like people are lightening up the region excessively. Those in Southern Lebanon are light brown, while Iraqis look rather Pakistani. People in Saudi Arabia are somewhat darker than North Indians.

Oh well.

Here's your "Caucasoid":



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Originally posted by Bob_01:

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Originally posted by osirion:

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Originally posted by Bob_01:
Osirion is a funny guy. He seems to link Hg R, with Europe, when it's anything but that. The uni-parental marker he is likely referring to is likely R1b1b2.

The parental clade doesn't have a European origin, but a southwest Asian. The pre-historic population within the region, as I stressed, looked like sub-Saharan Africans. That'd be akin to suggesting that Amhara peoples are part "European", because some may uni-parental markets leading towards southwest Asia.

God, stupid people will always be stupid. Those cold adapted traits which is present amongst Europeans did not develop indigenously within southwest Asia, never mind pale skin. I swear, people can't be object, nor handle two discussions at once.

What we know:

1. STR data provided in the blurry video, with no clear heading isn't not Y-DNA data. It takes three misses to match with the data.

2. Hg R1, not R1b1b2, does not have a European origin, and has NOTHING to do with cold adapted, pale skinned Europeans. Peoples DO and HAVE changed, historically.

Jesus, stop being fucking stupid. This discussion is way beneath us. It's never too late to learn. However, it's never too early to kill yourself, because you won't.

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R1b is Indo-European and is found amongst the Hittite people.

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Evidence? Please provide evidence suggesting that pre-historic southwest Asian populations:

1) spoke an Indo-European tongue, and

2) featured cold adapted European traits, OR

3) independently developed Osama bin Laden's traits from a proto-human state, where which both "Caucasoids" and "African" are sister populations, vs. a daughter-mother relationship (respectively).

Do you know how much I hate stupid Africans? I like seeing a higher intellectual stature amongst my own. To be honest, when I read your posts, I think this forum flies into the dark ages. This must've been how the Europeans felt when they idly waiting for some African to transfer agriculture and writing.

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The Amarna letters refers to these people as the origin of the royal lineage of the era in question. I have always dismissed this as lunacy. However, R1b find in the royal lineage of the 18th dynasty, if true, would support the Amarna letters in such a way to be very perplexing.

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Do you know that you're committing the sin of anachronism? We're dealing the pre-historic populations who represent the origin of Hg R1b. I, for some reason, have a feeling you don't seem to understand that this period was one, where written history is said to not exist.

What the ****?

Did you use a time machine?

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We had assumed that the Southern Egyptian routed the Hyksos. But what if they were lead by White Hittites?

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Sounds like an assumption. They could have been Rhinos from Jupiter as well. What evidence do you base your speculation on?

More reading, less posting, and employing workable models.

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It's just hypothetical at this point. And you guys need to stop treating this subject like religion.

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Looks who talking. You morons seem to assume that Hg R1b1, is some sort of European uni-parental marker. We still haven't seen this cold adapted, pale skinned pre-historic southwest Asian. You sure as well can bet that I'd expect if you could refer to an actual pre-historic culture. Please don't do what PR did and refer to some inconsistent "Cro-Magnon" fiction, who were actually tropically adapted peoples.

I think we need to stress this fact. You are claiming that the indigenous peoples of southwest Asia were European. You know those Saudi populations that one could sell skin lightening products to. It really seems like people are lightening up the region excessively. Those in Southern Lebanon are light brown, while Iraqis look rather Pakistani. People in Saudi Arabia are somewhat darker than North Indians.

Oh well.

Here's your "Caucasoid":



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Some of us have jobs, family and a life. Others like you obviously don't or you wouldn't be wasting your time splitting hairs like you do about everything.

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And Luiza is most likely a Negrito like those that live in New Guinea.

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In your case and like many others that post here - its not Afrocentric its Afrocultic. This is a religion to you and many others.

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So now you guys want to claim R1b as African because King Tut might have it?

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Yes - there is a chance of that but if I was a betting man I would not place my bets on that.

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R1b, Caucasoid features

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a history of contact with R1b populations (Hittites), and the Amarna letters in which the Widow of King Tut is looking for a replacement and cannot find someone in Egypt and is looking to the Hittites for a Pharoah?

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You guys are about as religious as it gets. [/QB]

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[QB] ^ How the hell do you have time for this crap!

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R1b is about as European as you are going to ever get period. It is the most common lineage in that area. Doesn't matter where it arose from it is now a European marker.

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If you want to waste time trying to make it African or anything else you are really wasting all that Negro college fund you probably got.

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As for phenotype, I don't care what they looked like the question is on indigenous African people or not.

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Was Tut African or non-African?

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I have already said that R1b could be from India, Western Asia or Europe [Bob_01: India more so than sub-Saharan Africa? ] but it is most commonly associated with European people.

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That is R1b1b2, you idiot. If you're referring to younger clades, it is associated with Europe. In fact, the greatest number of R1 markers, quantitatively, would be found in India. Instead of misusing figures that refer to daughter clades, we could use even more basal clades such as R1.

Noting your aways, I ask, why is it that you ignore the possibility that the clade could have an AFRICAN origin? Oh please, you're such a damn joke. What indications is it that the origin would lie within South Asia?

More assumptions, or dreaming (more precise).

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Why don't you go invent something and then be proud of that instead of splitting hairs over nothing.

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Luiza is a NEGRITO. There are Negrito people living in New Guinea.

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Negrito

a member of any of various small-statured, indigenous peoples of Africa, the Philippines, the Malay Peninsula, the AndamanIslands, and southern India.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Negrito

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The Amarna letters give rise to the question of a society of royalty living in the Middle East:

Amarna diplomacy: the beginnings of international relations By Raymond Cohen, Raymond Westbrook

You need to learn to read what I say instead of spouting off non-sensical diatribes.

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Remember - Aryan invasion theory I put out. As in Aryans of India? Not Europe! The point is that R1b is called a European marker. That could be just because of a founder affect. Doesn't matter, its just a description since most Europeans are R1b.

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Just like I call J1 Jewish because its found amongst Jewish people more so than any other group. Doesn't mean its exclusive to Jews.

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Its a DESCRIPTION not a set.

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Originally posted by xyyman:
Said many times listen but don't trust the white man . . . .and Turks LOL !!

Hawass and his crew are playing mind games. My understanding . . . he gave enough information out to fan the flames.

Enough DNA info to suggest that Tut was R1b with no certainty. However based on the limited data E3a, is a close second(Thanks AstenB). I wonder why all the data was not shown. Hmmmmm!!

Tut E3a. What a bombshell!!!!

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Luiza is a NEGRITO. There are Negrito people living in New Guinea.

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Dumb bitch, the Negrito people refer to people of small stature. I could even cite a dictionary, and it'd read:

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Negrito

a member of any of various small-statured, indigenous peoples of Africa, the Philippines, the Malay Peninsula, the AndamanIslands, and southern India.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Negrito

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Notice small-statured people? From what I seen Australians and those from Papua New Guinea are around the same size as Northern Europeans. That is, largely, short people, but not dwarfs. You are referring to a population has a reach in various continents, and are NOT the same.

Why adopt terms developed by some semi-illiterate traveler? One may as well refer to the Holocaust denier if we must divorce ourselves from bare academic standards.

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The Amarna letters give rise to the question of a society of royalty living in the Middle East:

Amarna diplomacy: the beginnings of international relations By Raymond Cohen, Raymond Westbrook

You need to learn to read what I say instead of spouting off non-sensical diatribes.

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Bitch, have you ever been to a damn school? Cite the the damn text. I don't see anything being quoted, and all I see is assumptions on your side. The Mitanni culture means nothing without actual data, or once you learn that the parental R1b clades have an origin well outside of mother Europe. It didn't coincide with the development of "Caucasoid" features either.

Now, drop that superiority complex, fivehead moron. I wouldn't be surprised if you look like an ape thanks to your Natasha blood. That explains your rather erratic rants that even developed between Explorer and you.

So here, we have this clown, linking Hg R1b with the Mitanni peoples. That is, despite the most common form of Hg R1b, likely being its DERIVATIVE, R1b1b2. The most ANCIENT Hg R clades are within Africa and Asia.

I couldn't care less if the royal remains featured the R1b marker. However, it'd be akin to the African populations that carry the V88, and I bring that up, because Tut looked much like an African person. This "European", you claim, is a tropically adapted person.

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Remember - Aryan invasion theory I put out. As in Aryans of India? Not Europe! The point is that R1b is called a European marker. That could be just because of a founder affect. Doesn't matter, its just a description since most Europeans are R1b.

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Umm..R1b isn't very common in India, moron. You're referring to its sister clade, R1a.

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Just like I call J1 Jewish because its found amongst Jewish people more so than any other group. Doesn't mean its exclusive to Jews.

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Err. One should be naming a clade anything unless it originates with that population. Jesus, acquire a brain. You act as if frequencies can't change over time. We look at origin for a reason, because data sets may not even be exhaustive.

Ever consider that?

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Its a DESCRIPTION not a set.

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Umm..I was the one who brought up descriptive terminology. The problem here is that R1b, as Explorer, has pointed out, does not have a European origin.

It seems like this user can pretend to know just because I'm more recent. I am rather certain that you picked up your knowledge from Explorer, Rasol,et al. However, you cannot even respect your teachers.

Such a brat.

Why do you post when you lack the education to deal with these topics? This is getting downright ridiculous, seriously.

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Was Tut African or non-African?

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I think others such as Explorer and myself (after wards) suggested that an African origin of Hg R1b is quite possible.

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Originally posted by osirion:

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Originally posted by Bob_01:

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Luiza is a NEGRITO. There are Negrito people living in New Guinea.

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Dumb bitch, the Negrito people refer to people of small stature. I could even cite a dictionary, and it'd read:

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Negrito

a member of any of various small-statured, indigenous peoples of Africa, the Philippines, the Malay Peninsula, the AndamanIslands, and southern India.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Negrito

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Notice small-statured people? From what I seen Australians and those from Papua New Guinea are around the same size as Northern Europeans. That is, largely, short people, but not dwarfs. You are referring to a population has a reach in various continents, and are NOT the same.

Why adopt terms developed by some semi-illiterate traveler? One may as well refer to the Holocaust denier if we must divorce ourselves from bare academic standards.

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The Amarna letters give rise to the question of a society of royalty living in the Middle East:

Amarna diplomacy: the beginnings of international relations By Raymond Cohen, Raymond Westbrook

You need to learn to read what I say instead of spouting off non-sensical diatribes.

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Bitch, have you ever been to a damn school? Cite the the damn text. I don't see anything being quoted, and all I see is assumptions on your side. The Mitanni culture means nothing without actual data, or once you learn that the parental R1b clades have an origin well outside of mother Europe. It didn't coincide with the development of "Caucasoid" features either.

Now, drop that superiority complex, fivehead moron. I wouldn't be surprised if you look like an ape thanks to your Natasha blood. That explains your rather erratic rants that even developed between Explorer and you.

So here, we have this clown, linking Hg R1b with the Mitanni peoples. That is, despite the most common form of Hg R1b, likely being its DERIVATIVE, R1b1b2. The most ANCIENT Hg R clades are within Africa and Asia.

I couldn't care less if the royal remains featured the R1b marker. However, it'd be akin to the African populations that carry the V88, and I bring that up, because Tut looked much like an African person. This "European", you claim, is a tropically adapted person.

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Remember - Aryan invasion theory I put out. As in Aryans of India? Not Europe! The point is that R1b is called a European marker. That could be just because of a founder affect. Doesn't matter, its just a description since most Europeans are R1b.

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Umm..R1b isn't very common in India, moron. You're referring to its sister clade, R1a.

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Just like I call J1 Jewish because its found amongst Jewish people more so than any other group. Doesn't mean its exclusive to Jews.

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Err. One should be naming a clade anything unless it originates with that population. Jesus, acquire a brain. You act as if frequencies can't change over time. We look at origin for a reason, because data sets may not even be exhaustive.

Ever consider that?

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Its a DESCRIPTION not a set.

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Umm..I was the one who brought up descriptive terminology. The problem here is that R1b, as Explorer, has pointed out, does not have a European origin.

It seems like this user can pretend to know just because I'm more recent. I am rather certain that you picked up your knowledge from Explorer, Rasol,et al. However, you cannot even respect your teachers.

Such a brat.

Why do you post when you lack the education to deal with these topics? This is getting downright ridiculous, seriously.

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Times up - you lose.

Negrito people live in New Guinea.

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PS: Luiza was a short Black woman - Negrito - means short Black person.

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Quote by Bob/Rasol.
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I think others such as Explorer and myself (after wards) suggested that an African origin of Hg R1b is quite possible. You need to understand there is a culture of assuming European-affinity without referring to literature.


You fugckers are a trip!! R1b is now an African marker!! When that was proposed in Marc's thread, about 2ya, no one would touch it...including Explorer. As for Rasol. . . .

Now Tut's DNA results has fughk up your world. They have cross the line, your comfort zone is messed up.

Weak-azz MFers. Tut is NOT R1b. It is virtually improbably.

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Explorer said it before, you are really an idiot. How the hell am I, Rasol? Our debate style and my perspective on matters is likely quite different.

Besides, I don't think I've ever suggested that King Tut is R1B. He could be a Martian for all I care, I'm dealing with the origin of r1b. That clade is NOT European. We still need to find this cold adapted, European-specific, sample. Where can this be found? Where is this underived R1* of Europe?

Look at thought's thread, bozo. Those prior to that as well, clearly highlighting that R1b's origin was discussed well prior than two years ago. I'm more new here, and yet I at least look at previous thread titles (plus skim through it) to understand where we're at.

Osirion: Let's reverse the question, what migrationary path did this "European" clade take vs. Africa? I mean, it's quite clear the consensus, at the moment, is the origin isn't clear at all.
 

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Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
 

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Originally posted by Bob_01:

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Luiza is a NEGRITO. There are Negrito people living in New Guinea.

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Dumb bitch, the Negrito people refer to people of small stature. I could even cite a dictionary, and it'd read:

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Negrito

a member of any of various small-statured, indigenous peoples of Africa, the Philippines, the Malay Peninsula, the AndamanIslands, and southern India.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Negrito

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Notice small-statured people? From what I seen Australians and those from Papua New Guinea are around the same size as Northern Europeans. That is, largely, short people, but not dwarfs. You are referring to a population has a reach in various continents, and are NOT the same.

Why adopt terms developed by some semi-illiterate traveler? One may as well refer to the Holocaust denier if we must divorce ourselves from bare academic standards.

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The Amarna letters give rise to the question of a society of royalty living in the Middle East:

Amarna diplomacy: the beginnings of international relations By Raymond Cohen, Raymond Westbrook

You need to learn to read what I say instead of spouting off non-sensical diatribes.

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Bitch, have you ever been to a damn school? Cite the the damn text. I don't see anything being quoted, and all I see is assumptions on your side. The Mitanni culture means nothing without actual data, or once you learn that the parental R1b clades have an origin well outside of mother Europe. It didn't coincide with the development of "Caucasoid" features either.

Now, drop that superiority complex, fivehead moron. I wouldn't be surprised if you look like an ape thanks to your Natasha blood. That explains your rather erratic rants that even developed between Explorer and you.

So here, we have this clown, linking Hg R1b with the Mitanni peoples. That is, despite the most common form of Hg R1b, likely being its DERIVATIVE, R1b1b2. The most ANCIENT Hg R clades are within Africa and Asia.

I couldn't care less if the royal remains featured the R1b marker. However, it'd be akin to the African populations that carry the V88, and I bring that up, because Tut looked much like an African person. This "European", you claim, is a tropically adapted person.

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Remember - Aryan invasion theory I put out. As in Aryans of India? Not Europe! The point is that R1b is called a European marker. That could be just because of a founder affect. Doesn't matter, its just a description since most Europeans are R1b.

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Umm..R1b isn't very common in India, moron. You're referring to its sister clade, R1a.

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Just like I call J1 Jewish because its found amongst Jewish people more so than any other group. Doesn't mean its exclusive to Jews.

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Err. One should be naming a clade anything unless it originates with that population. Jesus, acquire a brain. You act as if frequencies can't change over time. We look at origin for a reason, because data sets may not even be exhaustive.

Ever consider that?

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Its a DESCRIPTION not a set.

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Umm..I was the one who brought up descriptive terminology. The problem here is that R1b, as Explorer, has pointed out, does not have a European origin.

It seems like this user can pretend to know just because I'm more recent. I am rather certain that you picked up your knowledge from Explorer, Rasol,et al. However, you cannot even respect your teachers.

Such a brat.

Why do you post when you lack the education to deal with these topics? This is getting downright ridiculous, seriously.

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Times up - you lose.

Negrito people live in New Guinea.

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Err...Negrito people live in Africa dolt. The term isn't appropriate since most Melanesians and Australians, especially, do not look like Negritos. Those who entered from Siberia, with tropically adapted, traits, LOOKED like those from Australia.

Get it?

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If a population of people have the highest frequency of a haplogroup then a description of it associated with that group is normal.

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It's not that simplstic. We'd be saying that R originated from India then.

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R1b is common amongst Northern Syrians.

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R1b is more common amongst several ISOLATED sub-Saharan African groups, such as those from Cameroon, etc. Remember, the fact that the group is isolated makes it more salient. The land of Syria, has no strong lineage system, plus the land has been invaded for numerous millineas.

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R-m207 is the parent to R1b and R1a and is found in its highest frequency in Pakistan (India).

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Who thought you how to analyze genetic history? Frequency is not what necessarily determines, the variance of the marker is more important. Considering the more basal clades are found in Africa, it's quite possible that the origin is within the mother continent.

You're not accepting the possibility that your position could be wrong, fool. I don't see you posting ANY literature at all to back your assertions either.

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Tut will not turn out to be R1b unless there was infidelity in his lineage such as the story of Joseph but with a European slave.

Now go do something useful.

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... You do understand that R1b isn't exclusive to Europe? Jesus, you need mental help. Say, if he was Indian for god's sake, or even a local African with a more ancient clade of R1b , how does that strengthen your hypothesis?

Indian origin <> European. That should be rather obvious.

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PS: Luiza was a short Black woman - Negrito - means short Black person.

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Never mind that humans were typically short at that time. Do you have the height of that woman, vs. average height at that time?

The term was developed in different times. It can be used to refer to Africans. The Siberian-specific mutation present in both migrant populations of America suggest multiple migrations from the SAME so source. It's just one migrated earlier, thus appearing "Negrito".

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Originally posted by Recovering Afro-holic:
Tsk..tsk..tsk... Too bad for the Afrocoons. Hawass has not retracted his statement; Tut, just as his north African people, was caucasoid. Oh man! it hurts dont it Afrofools. I remember you idiots were waiting on the results. Well? LOL!! The verdict is in fvckturds! Tut's (and AE) caucasoid heritage remains INTACT. Now... you Afrofools can go crawl back under the little jungle mud hut from which you come.

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Originally posted by Hammer:
Nobody said Jesus was blonde and we know Tut's ancestors were european farmers.

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Source?
 

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Posted by Hammer (Member # 17003) on :
 
Hawass, DNA tests
 

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Posted by Hammer (Member # 17003) on :
 
Brainless Djehuti will substitute art work for a DNA test and CAT. He puts up this art work with no expalanation. Art Historians would have a pages long explanation for each work. Just really stupid, meaningless crap. The DNA tests have wiped out his position and still he struggles. That is the mark of a true idiot. We should have given him more affirmative action money.
 

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Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
 
Djehuti is Asian so in America there is Anti-Affirmative action for him.

As for DNA, I already told you, I am R1b but I am Black. Haplogroups do not define race but lineage. You know that because Greeks are European but many of them have a Sub-Saharan lineage.

It doesn't mean anything.

Its rather obvious that King Tut is part of the Ethiopian race of people. Really Hammer, I understand arguing over Ramses but not King Tut. King Tut has typical East African features.
 

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Posted by osirion (Member # 7644) on :
 
King Tut had typical East African features. Compare him to an Oromo Ethiopian general here:



During the Amarna period the Oromo features of Egyptian royalty is undeniable.




Europeans would never depict themselves this way.
 

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Posted by Yonis2 (Member # 11348) on :
 

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Bob wrote.

What the **** is a Ethiopian in UK? This foolish kike is acting like I'm some sort of West Africa. Little bitch, my parent's grand mother could read and write in multiple tongues and was educated. What did your whore called a grand mother do, pastoral bitch?

Seeing that I'm not African-American, let me talk for the community. How about we refer to the invention of IBM's Mark Dean? Three-ninth of the patents of the PC architecture, and as a chief engineer. Parents in areas such as the first 1Ghz microprocessor. Look at the traffic light, peanut products, etc, and you see African-American inventions over there.

I mean, how could Ethiopians even claim to have exceeded African-American educational prowess in the world? Please, don't be a clown. I don't even think the much wealthier Gulf Region could claim that. A lot more African-Americans are involved in the development of Ford cars, the manufacturing, the maintenance, the entire life cycle than much of Eastern Africa or Southwest Asia. Let's be honest here, why are so many of "you" Black Jews under the Israeli prison system and fail to integrate?

Since we're dealing with "Bantus", why is it that most of the mathematic nerds, I've seen associated with aerospace, to financial instruments, to X-Ray development, seem to be from West Africa? On the other hand, I usually see welfare-dependent peoples from East Africa, Christian or otherwise.

Please stop acting like a troll. I don't how our regions will be able to develop, ever, with morons such as yourself. Pretending to be white, and piggybacking on their stereotypes. It's rather disturbing that you cannot even recognize African-American achievements. The majority of the population are "middle class" (stop looking at those Hip Hop monkeys), and "West African Bantus" are very prosperous. If one can do that within NYC, he surely can in the hyper welfare states of Europe.

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1) What do you mean with this statement...."This foolish kike is acting like I'm some sort of West Africa."? Obviously you're projecting your own sentiments above sephardic boy, since he never mentioned west africans once in his post, but yiu still felt the urge to try inflate this trivial RIb discussion into some kind of west africa vs east african dick contest, just like the typical instigating jooo that you are, couldnt resist eh?

2) Osirion is a former Khazaristan citizen just like you he's not an Ethiopian 'jew' as he claims. So no need to drag others (the whole east africa) into your domestic disagreement.

3) Even if he was Ethiopian i don't see how you're entitled to talk **** about a whole region because of his opinion and with your further attempt of instigating some lame west vs east african flame war in particular when he never mentioned west africa.

4) and lastly, your paternalistic attitude towards west africa (and diaspora)shows clearly your true feelings, in reality it's just a reflection of some sort of superiority complex. Personally i would get offended with such individuals and attitude , most here are smart enough to defend themselves and don't need to get rescued by a khazaristan like you including instances where no attack has been made.

Lol at two israelis engaging at a online mudslinging battle supposedly representing east and west africa... ..sick
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
Out of curiosity, where is Bob from anyway? I understand that he's African, but I get the impression that either he is from Egypt or some country close by.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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Originally posted by Hammered:

Ta Sets or whatever you call yourself. You guys started spinning this as soon as it came out. Most of you are little more than field negroes who long, even crave to be victims. That is why you are so passionate about this issue. Your race has been the back of the train as far back as we can see. The real problem is that you hate being black and think of it every hour of every day. Thus you create this phoney history because you feel it justifies your existence.

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Please do not project your own personal thoughts and feelings onto others. For the only 'spinning' anything is you as all the findings on Tut's DNA was about family relations NOT population. Ignoring the usual antipathy for blacks, you speak of "phony" history, yet nothing gets more phoney than claiming an AFRICAN civilization and its people as some blonde or red-headed whites! LMAO

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Nobody said Jesus was blonde and we know Tut's ancestors were european farmers.
If I operated like Djehuti I would just ASSUME Jesus was blonde.

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Hawass, DNA tests

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Brainless Djehuti will substitute art work for a DNA test and CAT. He puts up this art work with no expalanation. Art Historians would have a pages long explanation for each work. Just really stupid, meaningless crap. The DNA tests have wiped out his position and still he struggles. That is the mark of a true idiot. We should have given him more affirmative action money.

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And nobody is more brainless than YOU. Not only have we cited CAT scan studies of his skull which speak of his African cranial features, but also osteological body measurements which do the same, as well as melanin tests which show Egyptian mummies had black skin, not to mention DNA tests on modern day descendants showing predominant African lineages especially in the southern areas like Luxor where Tut originated! All of this supplemented by historical accounts from ancient Israelites (Bible) Assyrians, Greeks, Romans, etc. that Egyptians were black. And that leaves us with all the evidence we need to support the basic point that the Egyptians as native Africans were black, while all you have are your fantasies of an ancient white Afrikaaner empire that was dynastic Egypt! LMAO
 

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Posted by Yonis2 (Member # 11348) on :
 
he once stated he was jewish from israel or was it france. Maybe he's from a new place this week.
 

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Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
 
Details of the DNA testing used on the mummies.

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/303/7/638/DC2?home
 

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Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
 
Bases on the Official release these are typical indigenous Africans



two independent labs

To authenticate DNA results, analytical steps were repeated and independently replicated in a second ancient DNA laboratory staffed by a separate group of personnel.

only eight data sets???
yielded complete data sets for all 8 markers in 7 mummies (Thuya, Yuya, Amenhotep III, Tutankhamun, KV55, and both female mummies from KV35) but only partial data for both KV62 fetuses and the KV21A and KV21B mummies (Figure 1). Repeated attempts to complete the profiles in the 4 latter mummies were not successful; however, we were able to replicate some of the results for the previous mummies more than 4 times in the second, independent laboratory (Figure 1). Moreover, because these profiles differed from those of the laboratory staff and were not identical to the ones established for the control group, the data were considered authentic.

no longer used as race indicator. . .but Yuya is black and Tut white. yeah right. What about the women?? Not measured.
One of the obvious features of Marfan syndrome is dolichocephaly.17-19 With the exception of Yuya (cephalic index, 70.3), none of the mummies of the Tutankhamun lineage has a cephalic index of 75 or less (ie, indicating dolichocephaly). Instead, Akhenaten has an index of 81.0 and Tutankhamun an index of 83.9, indicating brachycephaly. From the control group, Thutmose II and the TT320-CCG61065 mummy show dolichocephaly, with cephalic indices of 73.4 and 74.3, respectively


More than 55 bone biopsies were used to elucidate the individual relationships of 18th-dynasty individuals, with the result that several of the anonymous mummies or those with suspected identities are now able to be addressed by name.

It is unlikely that either Tutankhamun or Akhenaten actually displayed a significantly bizarre or feminine physique.


fake bust - so who put the fake face on. Was AE or the German "discoverer"?
A recent radiographic examination of the Nefertiti bust in the Berlin Museum illustrates this clearly by showing that the original face of Nefertiti, present as a thin layer beneath the outer surface, is less beautiful than that represented by the artifact.3

Sickle Cell Trait?
Malaria - This means either that the infection took place quite late in their lifetime, that they enjoyed strong genetic fitness ***code for resistant***, or that they aquired a partial immunity against the pathogen during their lives. Not every person infected with P falciparum becomes gravely ill, and this is especially true in populations that have been exposed to malaria pathogens over long periods.52 If Yuya and Thuya spent much of their time living in malaria-endemic areas close to the marshes of the Nile River, partial immunization may have contributed to their survival.


 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
It is said that Balcha's origins are unknown. My guess is that he was part Italian or some other type of European.


 

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Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
 
And before Recovered . . .or Hammer jump on the bandwagon that Tuts cephalic index is 83.9 and thus white. His confirmed great-great grandfather is . . . a "super negro" with CI of 70.3.

So Tut defintely carried a "super negro" male lineage.

Hawass and his crew are playing games by NOT disclosing the females CI. But yet playing up the CI of Akenathon and Tut.

Their intent is to fuel the debate. ie African great-great grand father but he and his father is . . . .

The report should state that CI are not used in Anthroplogy anymore . . .and not even in forensics or paternity studies.
 

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Posted by Hammer (Member # 17003) on :
 
xyy, If you looked up "phoney" in the disctionary your picture would be in the place of the definition. As soon as the Tut thing was over you guys started spinning. This is the only place on the web clining to the now debuked view that Tut was black.
 

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Posted by Morpheus (Member # 16203) on :
 
So...no details have actually come out about King Tut's Y-chromosome or mtDNA haplogroups?

I doubt they will relase it and even if they did genetic lineages alone don't give us a strong indicator of population affliation. They would need to compare Tut's DNA profile to other populations to assess genetic affinity.
 

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Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
 
Why don't you try a different approach.. . . .Hammer. To get you started. Critique the study from JAMA.. . . which is what "I. . I. . I. . .I" did.

No need to cite sources (insert sarcasm).

To give you a push start(LOL), apparently ONLY eight markers were officially released. Now where is your proof he is R1b. . . based upon the JAMA paper.

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Originally posted by Hammer:
xyy, If you looked up "phoney" in the disctionary your picture would be in the place of the definition. As soon as the Tut thing was over you guys started spinning. This is the only place on the web clining to the now debuked view that Tut was black.

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This is probably one of the only places on the web where people cling to getting at the truth. Why don't you join the club?

We are cutting edge. You know . . leading the way.
 

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Posted by astenb (Member # 14524) on :
 
E3a aka Haplotype IV for the win.
 

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Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
 
??

You saying that "most likely" E3a is the HG based on the OFFICIAL 8 markers released?

D13S317,
D7S820,
D2S1338,
D21S11,
D16S539
D18S51,
CSF1PO,
FGA


BTW- trying to get my hands on the software to determine HG based on the markers. Any suggestions?
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Sixteen Y-chromosomal short tandem repeats (DYS456, DYS389I, DYS390, DYS389II, DYS458, DYS19, DYS385, DYS393, DYS391, DYS439, DYS635, DYS392, Y-GATA-H4, DYS437, DYS438, DYS448) were amplified according to the manufacturer's protocol using the AmpF\STR Yfiler PCR amplification kit (Applied Biosystems, Foster City, California). The Identifiler kit and the AmpF\STR Minifiler kit (Applied Biosystems) were used for amplification of 8 polymorphic microsatellites of the nuclear genome (D13S317, D7S820, D2S1338, D21S11, D16S539, D18S51, CSF1PO, FGA).
 

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Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
 
LOL! Egyptians and a European, so much alike:




http://www.travelpod.com/travel-blog-entries/sewtersojourns/1/1260162297/tpod.html

And you see black Africans and white Europeans walking all over America looking like that every day.
 

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Posted by astenb (Member # 14524) on :
 

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Originally posted by xyyman:
??

You saying that "most likely" E3a is the HG based on the OFFICIAL 8 markers released?

BTW- trying to get my hands on the software to determine HG based on the markers. Any suggestions?

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And you see black Africans and white Europeans walking all over America looking like that every day.

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Originally posted by argyle104:
Mike111 wrote:
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It is said that Balcha's origins are unknown. My guess is that he was part Italian or some other type of European.
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"It is said"?


And you wonder why no one takes your clown ass seriously.

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Originally posted by xyyman:
??

You saying that "most likely" E3a is the HG based on the OFFICIAL 8 markers released?

D13S317,
D7S820,
D2S1338,
D21S11,
D16S539
D18S51,
CSF1PO,
FGA


BTW- trying to get my hands on the software to determine HG based on the markers. Any suggestions?
QUOTE:

Sixteen Y-chromosomal short tandem repeats (DYS456, DYS389I, DYS390, DYS389II, DYS458, DYS19, DYS385, DYS393, DYS391, DYS439, DYS635, DYS392, Y-GATA-H4, DYS437, DYS438, DYS448) were amplified according to the manufacturer's protocol using the AmpF\STR Yfiler PCR amplification kit (Applied Biosystems, Foster City, California). The Identifiler kit and the AmpF\STR Minifiler kit (Applied Biosystems) were used for amplification of 8 polymorphic microsatellites of the nuclear genome (D13S317, D7S820, D2S1338, D21S11, D16S539, D18S51, CSF1PO, FGA).

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Originally posted by homeylu:

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Originally posted by xyyman:
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You saying that "most likely" E3a is the HG based on the OFFICIAL 8 markers released?

D13S317,
D7S820,
D2S1338,
D21S11,
D16S539
D18S51,
CSF1PO,
FGA


BTW- trying to get my hands on the software to determine HG based on the markers. Any suggestions?
QUOTE:

Sixteen Y-chromosomal short tandem repeats (DYS456, DYS389I, DYS390, DYS389II, DYS458, DYS19, DYS385, DYS393, DYS391, DYS439, DYS635, DYS392, Y-GATA-H4, DYS437, DYS438, DYS448) were amplified according to the manufacturer's protocol using the AmpF\STR Yfiler PCR amplification kit (Applied Biosystems, Foster City, California). The Identifiler kit and the AmpF\STR Minifiler kit (Applied Biosystems) were used for amplification of 8 polymorphic microsatellites of the nuclear genome (D13S317, D7S820, D2S1338, D21S11, D16S539, D18S51, CSF1PO, FGA).

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These are autosomal markers, they don't give the same results as Ystr and MtDna markers. They were very "careful" releasing only 8 strands of autosomal markers, even with the software, you'll probably have Tut related to almost every population around the globe. It's pointless.

The only software I 'know' of, there may be others, is Omnipop , one forensics often use. And I can tell you before you put in a lot of effort, this database DOES NOT have many Africans in it to began with. The results could lead you to accepting that he is of mixed origins, which I'm sure is probably why they released this limited data.

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Will check out Omni. Still trying to get my hands around STR/SNP stuff. Got the simple stuff like the lineage., HG.

No doubt
they want the controversy brewing. At least the R1b nonsense can be put to bed.

All the nuts, including the brothas, frothing at the mouth because of "released" stock footage that wasn't even Tut's.

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Do you want to know what's the 'funniest' excuse I heard for Hawass not wanting to release the origins of any of the Egyptian Mummies? I've always assumed that he was trying to conceal the African origins of the Dynasties, but it was claimed that he and the Egyptian government refuse to "ever" release their origins for "fear the Jews of Israel, will try to claim the young King as their own", now this is supposed to be an official quote to a journalist, which is very strange because Hawass seems intent on proving that modern Egyptians like (himself) are the true representatives of the Pharonic period. Now my logic tells me that if this was true, he would have released this information years ago, and proudly at that. This man is concealing something, and it very obvious to anyone that is scrutinizing his evasiveness with the DNA.
 

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Posted by Avee (Member # 16937) on :
 

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Originally posted by homeylu:

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Originally posted by xyyman:
Will check out Omni. Still trying to get my hands around STR/SNP stuff. Got the simple stuff like the lineage., HG.

No doubt
they want the controversy brewing. At least the R1b nonsense can be put to bed.

All the nuts, including the brothas, frothing at the mouth because of "released" stock footage that wasn't even Tut's.

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Do you want to know what's the 'funniest' excuse I heard for Hawass not wanting to release the origins of any of the Egyptian Mummies? I've always assumed that he was trying to conceal the African origins of the Dynasties, but it was claimed that he and the Egyptian government refuse to "ever" release their origins for "fear the Jews of Israel, will try to claim the young King as their own", now this is supposed to be an official quote to a journalist, which is very strange because Hawass seems intent on proving that modern Egyptians like (himself) are the true representatives of the Pharonic period. Now my logic tells me that if this was true, he would have released this information years ago, and proudly at that. This man is concealing something, and it very obvious to anyone that is scrutinizing his evasiveness with the DNA.

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Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:

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Originally posted by osirion:
You guys really would maintain this argument even if Tut was R1b? Lets face it, an R1b Tut fits the Aryan model. It would mean an early Aryan domination of the Nile valley civilization similar to the Indus valley.

If Tut was R1b then Caucasoid dilution theories are now far more debatable.

It would mean an Indo-European class of Egyptians.

I can understand a J1 Tut but not a R1b. White upper class in Egypt? Sounds more like modern Egypt and ancient. Sounds like things were not so different back then as they are now.

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If there is no documentation the shut up about it. You sound stupid and honestly I can see why Explorer attacked you the way he did. You come here and accuse us of makeing the Egyptian blck to steal its legacy due to inferiority but yet the second some delusional troll whose credibility is a valuable as a fake dollar bill come here and says the Egyptians were Europeans you waste no time saying they were Indo Europeans and had White ROYAL CLASS of ARYAN INVADERS??? You go to be fu#ing kidding me, Of all the Dumb Sh#t I have heard that is probably the to 5. There is no evidence of Indo Europeans in Egypt let alone Invading Egypt nor is there any Evidence of some White Caste System in Egypt. At best any Indo European was a slave or a Whore in a Harem. The Egyptians were Tropically adapted Native Africans of the Nile Valley, Archeaology Proves this, Egyptology Proves this, Greek History Proves this, Hebrew History Proves this. Egypt was Black especially the 18th who Originated in Upper Egypt where you can take a trip there today and See The decendants of the Upper Egyptians and the Northern Sudanese. Go over and Find me the White Upper class Aryans??

N.Sudan


If you want to Hypotetically imagine some European Dominated Indo-European Speaking White Egypt there are plenty of places you can Go, storm Front, Mathidas blog..etc. Plus many more like the Threads that claim Tut has r1b without any proof except someone who claims to have seen it on a clip. On Egypt Search King Tut and Egypt will never be upheld as a White Nation. Call Us Fringe, Call us Afrocentric, Call us Nigger, Call Us Slaves, Make fun of Us but you Will never beat us in Debate, You wont win. We have people all over the New scared to post Here. People that get all the hoopla, MAthilda, Dienkies, Stormfront, Argue With Everyone, Evil Euro/Racial Reality etc. Sickening how people propose that European were in Egyptian Royal lineages but get up in ares when we speak the truth.

GTFOH

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R1b would be difficult to argue against. I think it would be a waste of time. Even if King Tut is Black, the fact he is R1b means Europeans were in the male lineage of the Pharoahs or even Indians.

R1b King Tut would change my position. It would mean Egypt and India are more than just similar civilizations.

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Huh?

Osirion dear - I'm guessing most of your schooling was over in Morocco somewhere?
 

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Posted by dana marniche (Member # 13149) on :
 

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
Out of curiosity, where is Bob from anyway? I understand that he's African, but I get the impression that either he is from Egypt or some country close by.

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