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Originally posted by KING:

Don't forget how Ghandi was played by Ben Kingsly a european.

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But at least Ben Kingsley is actually partly Indian-descended.
 

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Posted by Confirming Truth (Member # 17678) on :
 



Does he look Negro to you? How fukcing desperate are Afrocentrists to try to hi-jack history that does not even belong to them? Dumas was sixty-six percent white and seventeen percent black. Yet the Afrocentrist, in his/her desperation to link themselves to nobility, will ignore the overwhelmingly WHITE blood in Dumas. You guys are a sick lot.

"Dumas' paternal grandparents were Marquis Alexandre-Antoine Davy de la Pailleterie, a French nobleman and Général commissaire in the Artillery in the colony of Saint-Domingue — now Haiti — and Marie-Cesette Dumas, an Afro-Caribbean Creole of mixed French and African ancestry" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Dumas,_p%C3%A8re#Life

Afrocentrism is a SERIOUS pathology.
 

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Posted by Confirming Truth (Member # 17678) on :
 
So then why did you not apply the same reasoning to Dumas who was 66 percent white? His father was white or, as you put it, "but at least... is actually partly... - descended."

You are a pathetic hypocrite.

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But at least Ben Kingsley is actually partly Indian-descended.

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Posted by Djehuti. (Member # 17581) on :
 


Alexandre Dumas
 

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Posted by The Explorer (Member # 14778) on :
 

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Originally posted by Confirming Truth:

So then why did you not apply the same reasoning to Dumas whose father was 66 percent white? His father was white or, as you put it, "but at least... is actually partly... - descended."

You are a pathetic hypocrite.

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fuckhead, where is Dumas mentioned by me.

Learn to read alphabets.

Ps: And in any case, you should be talking about the immediate ancestry of the person playing him, not Dumas himself.
 

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Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
 
What more pathetic is you race loons can't get your story straight. Obama is black by your definition since he is what. . . .50/50. Dumas is white because he is 17/83(LOL). But Rev Wright is black although he is 10/90. What happened to the one drop rule. Where does black stop and white begin.

What a fugcked up group of people!!!

You criteria is. . . if it is great it must be white. LOL.

FYI- I always maintained Obama is neither Black nor White

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Originally posted by Confirming Truth:
. . . will ignore the overwhelmingly WHITE blood in Dumas. You guys are a sick lot.

. . Afro-Caribbean Creole of mixed French and African ancestry" . . ..

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Originally posted by xyyman:
What more pathetic is you race loons can't get your story straight. Obama is black by your definition since he is what. . . .50/50. Dumas is white because he is 17/83(LOL). But Rev Wright is black although he is 10/90. What happened to the one drop rule. Where does black stop and white begin.

What a fugcked up group of people!!!

You criteria is. . . if it is great it must be white. LOL.

FYI- I always maintained Obama is neither Black nor White

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Originally posted by Confirming Truth:
. . . will ignore the overwhelmingly WHITE blood in Dumas. You guys are a sick lot.

. . Afro-Caribbean Creole of mixed French and African ancestry" . . ..

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Originally posted by Mike111:
^Anybody know what HE called himself?

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Originally posted by Gigantic:
I don't give a damn what you maintain. My mssg was directed to the turd, OP, Who obviously thinks the "one drop" rule is scientific.

Historically, culturally, phoenotypically and genetically, the white frenchman has more right to play the role of Dumas than a black man. And sir, that is a fact. Now... go fvck yourself.

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Originally posted by xyyman:
What more pathetic is you race loons can't get your story straight. Obama is black by your definition since he is what. . . .50/50. Dumas is white because he is 17/83(LOL). But Rev Wright is black although he is 10/90. What happened to the one drop rule. Where does black stop and white begin.

What a fugcked up group of people!!!

You criteria is. . . if it is great it must be white. LOL.

FYI- I always maintained Obama is neither Black nor White

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Originally posted by Confirming Truth:
. . . will ignore the overwhelmingly WHITE blood in Dumas. You guys are a sick lot.

. . Afro-Caribbean Creole of mixed French and African ancestry" . . ..

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Originally posted by Mike111:
^Anybody know what HE called himself?

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Originally posted by xyyman:
That Gigantic guy is catching on!!!! LOL. Those are the most logical words that ever came out of his mouth eh! fingers.

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GiganticAss is just Hammer. Same whore, new dress.
 

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Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
 
Dumas




 

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Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
 
^ More than likely some white took the photos and made the drawings while using the opportunity to "brighten" it up.
They do the same thing today in Hollywood to Oprah, Mary J, and other blacks.
 

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Posted by Hammer (Member # 17003) on :
 
xyy, you did not know dumas was black because he was not black. Can we get any goofier?
 

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Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
 
Somebody save this thread for future generations.
xyyman, those black pictures showing the REAL Dumas will likely disappear leaving only the whitened ones as references.
That is what they do.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
^SO TRUE!
 

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Posted by the lion (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by MelaninKing:
[QB] Tut is not enough, so here we go again....
Caught in the act.

No major accomplishments of their own, they steal achievements of others, especially, blacks. This time, France attempts to credit whites as being the author of the nation's greatest great novels such as, The Three Musketeers and The Count Of Monte Christo, well known to have been written by a black man, son of Haitian born General, Thomas Dumas.

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have you read these books? Do you like them?
 

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Posted by the lion (Member # 17353) on :
 
same barber as Cornel West
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
^Very insightful.
 

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Posted by Gigantic (Member # 17311) on :
 
Dumas



You clowns are funny!
 

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Posted by Hammer (Member # 17003) on :
 
They are funny along with being some of the most ignorant pople walking around on two legs.
 

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Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
 
In terms of race quanta it should be noted that according to well-known geneticist Cavalli-Sforza Europeans are genetically 33.3% African in terms of genotype. This stands to reason given that Europeans are descendants of population groups that originated in Africa.

Thus the claim that a black-white biracial perosn would be 50% Black and 50% White would be erroneous--given the Cavalli-Sforza hypothesis. Dumas would then be much less than the 66% white as claimed above.

Whatever his genetic background it would be disingenuous to cast Depardieu as Dumas. In Haiti he would have been seen as a "mulatre"--not a "blanc". And with that bushy hair he might find it hard to get a taxi sometimes or enter "Europeans Only" restaurants in South Africa during the days of Apartheid.

Oh well, maybe Sidney Poitier(nice French name) could play Louis XIV or Napoleon one day.
 

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Posted by 9th Element (Member # 17629) on :
 

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Originally posted by Confirming Truth:



Does he look Negro to you? How fukcing desperate are Afrocentrists to try to hi-jack history that does not even belong to them? Dumas was sixty-six percent white and seventeen percent black. Yet the Afrocentrist, in his/her desperation to link themselves to nobility, will ignore the overwhelmingly WHITE blood in Dumas. You guys are a sick lot.

"Dumas' paternal grandparents were Marquis Alexandre-Antoine Davy de la Pailleterie, a French nobleman and Général commissaire in the Artillery in the colony of Saint-Domingue — now Haiti — and Marie-Cesette Dumas, an Afro-Caribbean Creole of mixed French and African ancestry" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Dumas,_p%C3%A8re#Life

Afrocentrism is a SERIOUS pathology.

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Originally posted by Mike111:
^Anybody know what HE called himself?

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He, as did his father, STRONGLY referred to themselves as, BLACK.
This too, is in the history books.
In fact, the sole reason Napoleon came down on his father so hard and drove him to poverty is due to his being a member of the black race.

See, this is the hidden problem with allowing whites to adopt black children which seems to be the fad today in Hollywood.

This Bullshit about "66%" white is a farce, or does anyone here know the mother's parental history which chances are, also had a percentage of black blood?

In reality, he look pretty much like African Americans such as Adam Clayton Powell or many mulattoes of the south.

Point is, once again we directly observe Europeans as the non-contributing, thieving cultural frauds they truly are.

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Originally posted by Hammer:
They are funny along with being some of the most ignorant pople walking around on two legs.

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Originally posted by lamin:
In terms of race quanta it should be noted that according to well-known geneticist Cavalli-Sforza Europeans are genetically 33.3% African in terms of genotype. This stands to reason given that Europeans are descendants of population groups that originated in Africa.

Thus the claim that a black-white biracial perosn would be 50% Black and 50% White would be erroneous--given the Cavalli-Sforza hypothesis. Dumas would then be much less than the 66% white as claimed above.

Whatever his genetic background it would be disingenuous to cast Depardieu as Dumas. In Haiti he would have been seen as a "mulatre"--not a "blanc". And with that bushy hair he might find it hard to get a taxi sometimes or enter "Europeans Only" restaurants in South Africa during the days of Apartheid.

Oh well, maybe Sidney Poitier(nice French name) could play Louis XIV or Napoleon one day.

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Originally posted by Gigantic:
You have turds lacking any tangible relationship, on any level, with the ancient Egyptians. Yet they call themselves descendants of those people. And your point is, sir? I think, what he called himself is, frankly, IRRELEVANT. This display of yours only shows the lengths Afronuts will go to out of desperation, to link themselves to history.

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Originally posted by Mike111:
^Anybody know what HE called himself?

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Originally posted by MelaninKing:

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Originally posted by lamin:
In terms of race quanta it should be noted that according to well-known geneticist Cavalli-Sforza Europeans are genetically 33.3% African in terms of genotype. This stands to reason given that Europeans are descendants of population groups that originated in Africa.

Thus the claim that a black-white biracial perosn would be 50% Black and 50% White would be erroneous--given the Cavalli-Sforza hypothesis. Dumas would then be much less than the 66% white as claimed above.

Whatever his genetic background it would be disingenuous to cast Depardieu as Dumas. In Haiti he would have been seen as a "mulatre"--not a "blanc". And with that bushy hair he might find it hard to get a taxi sometimes or enter "Europeans Only" restaurants in South Africa during the days of Apartheid.

Oh well, maybe Sidney Poitier(nice French name) could play Louis XIV or Napoleon one day.

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True, and very well stated. None of those in opposition have any clue regarding the genetics of Dumas's mother. However, according to Europeans scholars, Europeans are mixed Africans, so the 66% is an unverifiable assumption.

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Originally posted by Gigantic:
Dumas



You clowns are funny!

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LOL...

Thats not Alexandre Dumas, pere; thats his son, Alexandre Dumas, fils.

The younger Dumas was only 25% black, his mother was French.

Why are trying to twist history?

I HATE HYPOCRITES!
 

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Posted by Gigantic (Member # 17311) on :
 
Afrocentrism is a disease!



 

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Posted by Gigantic (Member # 17311) on :
 
Afrocentrism ALWAYS loses.









 

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Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
 
What are you smoking? I seeeee a colored man. Better known as a black man in some parts of the world.

As a Haitian you should be familiar with that.
 

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Posted by Gigantic (Member # 17311) on :
 
You are correct, in part of course. Dumas was a man of color but, a black man, he was not. That is where you people get it twisted. Ethnic whites also are people of color, i.e. Italians, Spaniards, Portugese, etc...

The Haitian flag originally was Black and Red. Do you know why? Because we Haitians knew the difference between the Black and red (mulatto) race. If you look at Dumas' phoenotype, it is brutally evident that he resembled the whites and, more specifically, swarthy or ethnic whites.

The only argument you people have is the ridiculous "one drop" rule. Otherwise, there is nothing in that man that links him to his black side more than his white.

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Originally posted by xyyman:
As a Haitian you should be familiar with that.

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Originally posted by Hammer:
That is correct. If I have a black grandmother I amo not black, there is more to it than that.

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And if you had some mix-up mixed up half and half mechicanos blood like your grand-daughters...what would you be then?
 

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Posted by Hammer (Member # 17003) on :
 
Like all peole of mexican descent who have a family that has been here for multi generations they are art of the majority anglo culture. Beyond that, even full blooded mexicans are doing that....white people with a tint.

Mr Dumas is much the same, there nis nothing african about him. For examle we know from his literature he did not have bone from ear to ear, nor is there any evidence that everyone called him "boy."
 

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Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 

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Originally posted by Hammer:
Like all peole of mexican descent who have a family that has been here for multi generations they are art of the majority anglo culture. Beyond that, even full blooded mexicans are doing that....white people with a tint.

Mr Dumas is much the same, there nis nothing african about him. For examle we know from his literature he did not have bone from ear to ear, nor is there any evidence that everyone called him "boy."

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Originally posted by Hammer:
That he suffered from racism does not make him culturally black. You just tried to change the subject. Dumas himself was not culturally black, period.
If he had been none of that great literatue would have been written.

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"All his life he self-identified as a negro."
 

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Posted by Hammer (Member # 17003) on :
 
Nonsense. the man was 25% black. He was bon outside paris in 1824 and grew up in a european world. In 19th century Paris it would be difficult to even find a black person to self identify with. His dad was a frickin General for Napoleon.

Are you saying he self identified with slaves and hatian blacks? These is not even any common ground for him to self identify with.

This reminds me of the sally Hemmings garbage.
 

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Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 
^^Please answer...

"Did the man self-identify as a negro or not?"

"Dumas was the grandson of a Haitian slave and often referred to himself as a negro..." See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8523212.stm

What is it in "negro" you do not understand?

And what is it in "half and half Mechicanos" (apologies to the grandkiddies) that you fail to comprehend?
 

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Posted by Hammer (Member # 17003) on :
 
You are a classic example of why black people get no respect. Again bozo there were no blacks in his community. he wrote in a European style, for a European audience, in a European language. You should not be allowed to have a drivers license or vote if you cannot do any better than that.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
^Hammer - Why are White people like you so fuching stupid. What, only White people were in Europe - since when asshole.


Lion - I don't know if this is a creditable article or not, let those with an interest be the judges.


From the Teaching column in the May-June 1997 Perspectives
Problems in Studying the Role of Blacks In Europe



By Allison Blakeley

Editor's note: Allison Blakely's article below and the essay by Gretchen Gerzina on "The Black Presence in British Cultural History," mark the end of Robert Blackey's tenure as contributing editor of this column. In almost 15 years of service, Blackey has brought in, developed, and refined more than 140 articles and forums on teaching. We thank him for his many contributions and achievements.

There is a risk in asking 20th-century questions of earlier times because today's terms of discourse may not find a meaningful context there. It is likewise problematic to project onto European history social and cultural constructs that have evolved in the United States, and perhaps nowhere else, in quite the same form. Such is the dilemma we face in considering the influence of blacks in European history for a primarily American audience.

A discussion of the influence of black Africans on Europe and on Europeans is complicated by the absence of a universal definition of black. In general, the designation black in Europe, unlike in the United States, has been reserved for those of dark color, not the broader definition based on known black African ancestry. Consequently, awareness of a black population in Europe has been limited by the fact that when interracial marriage occurred, subsequent light-complexioned generations might never be referred to again as black. Hence the debate over whether Alexandre Dumas père, who had African ancestry through his paternal grandmother, was black. Consistent with the predominant European attitude, he emphatically rejected the notion that he was. Besides, in his France-as in all the other European societies-class was far more important than color, at least until the 20th century. The great Russian poet, Alexander Pushkin, who took pride in his African ancestry, shrugged off aspersions cast on that score, but took great offense at those who did not respect the centuries of nobility on his father's side.

Is it legitimate, therefore, for a historian to count these two 19th-century literary giants as evidence of an African influence? Has racial thought in Europe had the same degree of significance as in the United States? Have blacks in Europe experienced a kind of positive "invisibility" in contrast to the destructive American type chronicled by Ralph Ellison? On the surface the European racial definition seems more egalitarian. However, the history in question suggests also the possibility of an attempt to ignore or minimize the influence of a group considered sufficiently undesirable to have been excluded by law from European countries at various times. For teachers and students of history a resultant practical problem is the absence of clear references to race in documents such as census data where it might be quite useful. Moreover, among scholars, few have found the experience of blacks in Europe to merit special attention; and even those few of African descent who have achieved high status have done so by following the accepted conventions and by avoiding drawing attention to either their African heritage or to African characteristics in their societies. This has been left to blacks in former colonies, not in Europe. The remainder of this brief essay by one such outsider uses selected examples from continental European societies to discuss some of the other issues that must be confronted in studying the influence of Africa and Africans on continental Europe.

Africa and Africans have had an influence on European thought and culture far disproportionate to the size of the small black population (which, for example, approached 150,000 in the Iberian peninsula in the 16th century, and by the 18th amounted to just several thousand in France, a few thousand in the Netherlands, and several hundred scattered through Germany, Scandinavia, and Russia; only in the 20th century would the combined numbers reach the hundreds of thousands). The most striking example of that disproportionate influence can be seen in the 20th century, in Soviet Russia, which as part of its messianic role chose Black Africa and blacks in America as symbols for the Communist championing of the downtrodden; elected blacks as honorary members of the Moscow City Council; and named a mountain after Paul Robeson. A strong case can also be made that blacks have had influence in and on Europe primarily as symbols of European achievement, rather than in their own right. A graphic example was the curious widespread use of "Moors' heads" in the coats of arms of hundreds of European towns and families in medieval and early modern Europe. European attitudes about Africa and Africans have played a significant role in helping Europeans to define themselves.

For purposes of this discussion, it will be useful to begin with a look at how leading European thinkers framed the main questions involved here. Immanuel Kant, an Enlightenment luminary, wrote in his "Observations on the Feeling of the Beautiful and Sublime":

The Negroes of Africa have by nature no feeling that rises above the trifling. Mr. [David] Hume challenges anyone to cite a single example in which a Negro has shown talents, and asserts that among the hundreds of thousands of blacks who are transported elsewhere from their countries, although many of them have even been set free, still not a single one was ever found who presented anything great in art or science or any other praiseworthy quality, even though among the whites some continually rise aloft from the lowest rabble and through superior gifts earn respect in the world. So fundamental is the difference between these two races of man.

Kant's essay is his global inventory of all the world's cultures, which concludes that Europeans surpass nearly all of the others in most regards. Thus Africans, who rank among the lowest in his mind, help to define what he terms the European character. His conclusions also suggest how difficult it would be for him to accept any notion of a positive influence by blacks.

It should be obvious that Mr. Hume, the devout empiricist, was in this instance not very empirical at all. For his part, Kant never traveled farther than 100 miles from his native home in Königsberg on the Baltic Sea during his entire 80 years of life. Johann Herder, one of Kant's best university students there, articulated even more clearly what it would have taken for blacks to impress those who accepted the Hume-Kant assessment, when in his own Outlines of a Philosophy of the History of Man he wrote: "The Negro has ... never once conceived the design of improving or of conquering Europe." It should be noted that there was opposing Enlightenment opinion on the subject, which offers an alternative explanation for limits to lofty black achievement. The Abbé Raynal, one of the most prolific philosophe writers, wrote that blacks only appeared to be inferior because of the circumstances that had been forced upon them. However, it was Kant's evaluation of the ability of blacks that was the predominant view among the leading Enlightenment thinkers and has prevailed in European thought ever since. This remained true even though Kant himself eventually arrived at a more positive assessment of blacks and blackness in his later philosophical reflections. How does a history teacher, who perhaps has just in an earlier lesson impressed upon students how important an intellectual figure Immanuel Kant is, now persuade these same students that even they can correct Kant on this particular subject? One possible way is to simply use him as an example of how even powerful intellectuals are still human beings, and can be wrong.

Kant's sentiments appear all the more arrogant in light of three interesting examples of blacks with distinguished careers in nearby Germany, Russia, and the Netherlands. The saga of Anthony William Amo should have been familiar to Kant because Amo gained fame in Germany for his philosophical studies. Born on the Gold Coast around 1700, he was taken to Amsterdam by the West India Company when he was about 10 years old and was presented to the Duke of Wolfenbüttel. He was baptized in Wolfenbüttel in 1707 and given the names Anton and Wilhelm in honor of the reigning duke and his son. A grant from the duke allowed Amo to be educated to a point where he was able to enter the universities at Halle, in 1727, and Wittenberg, in 1730, where he became skilled in Latin, Greek, Hebrew, French, German, and Dutch and concentrated on philosophy. In 1734 he was awarded the doctorate degree from the University of Wittenberg with a dissertation on "De humanae mentis apatheia" ("On Apathy in the Human Mind"). In his philosophical work he was a rationalist, devoting special attention to mathematical and medical knowledge in the context of Enlightenment thought. He became a lecturer at the University of Halle and later at the University of Jena until the 1750s.

Among the few fairly prominent black figures in Dutch history who at least briefly caught the public eye, the earliest was the former slave Jacobus Capitein, so named because a Dutch captain brought him to Leiden, where he was put into school, mastered several European languages, and eventually became a predicant after completing theological training at the University of Leiden in 1742. He became famous as author of a treatise that defended slavery as an avenue to redemption for Africans. His portrait, usually accompanied by didactic poetry, circulated widely, advertising that blacks could be transformed by Christianity and Western civilization. Prior to going off to what was to prove a disastrous mission in his homeland on the Gold Coast, he preached a number of times in Holland to audiences who flocked to see this novelty.

The first black to attain high recognition in Russia was Abram Hannibal, the African slave who became a favorite of Tsar Peter the Great and was the maternal great-grandfather of Pushkin, the single most revered figure in all of Russian culture. Brought to Russia at the beginning of the 18th century as part of a group of young black prospective servants, Hannibal, under the tsar's sponsorship, went on to attain a high level of education in France and, after returning to Russia, eventually advanced to the rank of major general in the army engineers. He brought back to Russia a personal library of 400 books, one of the largest and most up-to-date in the empire, and himself published a two-volume compilation on geometry and construction techniques. The owner of several estates, complete with serf labor, he served from 1743 to 1751 as Commandant of the city of Reval on the Baltic, not far from Kant's Königsberg. He later directed major canal and other construction projects.

The cases of Hannibal, Amo, and Capitein are particularly germane to the present discussion because there is correspondence showing that their patrons deliberately supported their development as Enlightenment experiments to determine whether blacks could be formally educated to excel in European arts and sciences. How then do we explain the virulence of the negative assessment of the abilities of blacks by some of the most respected thinkers in Western civilization, an assessment still invoked in the late 20th century by those seeking to legitimize theories asserting black inferiority? A closer consideration of the historical background of the Kantian view can clarify the limitations on African influences on Europe and provide some further direction for teachers.

The first point that should be noted is that Kant was not basing his evaluation on the historical experience of blacks in Europe. There had been blacks who had achieved distinction as early as Moorish Iberia, and later in Spain and Portugal, the European societies that first saw a large influx of blacks. Most of these notables were mulattos: for example, Cristóbol de Meneses, a Dominican priest; the painters Juan de Pareja and Sebastian Gomez; and Leonardo Ortiz, a lawyer. Among the few dark-skinned blacks who achieved high status was Juan Latino, a slave from Africa who through his master's benevolence was educated at the University of Granada. There were also some other signs of respect for blacks during these centuries. In 1306 an Ethiopian delegation came to Europe to seek an alliance with the "King of the Spains" against the Moslems. King Anfós IV of Aragon considered arranging a double marriage with the Negus of Ethiopia in 1428. And the Portuguese sent Pedro de Corvilhao to Ethiopia in 1487 on a similar mission.

Meanwhile the actual living experience of blacks in Europe appeared to be marked by smooth integration into European society, with the role of lower-class blacks determined very much by that of their masters or employers. The 140,000 slaves imported into Europe from Africa between 1450 and 1505 were a welcome new labor force in the wake of the Bubonic Plague. On the whole, the blacks in Christian Iberia were not limited to servile roles; but they were also not influential as a group. The new slave population in Portugal worked in agriculture and fishing. Free blacks living in Loulé and Lagos in the southern edge of Portugal owned houses and worked as day laborers, midwives, bakers, and servants. Most were domestic servants, laborers (including those on ships and river craft), and petty tradesmen. Some free blacks, especially women, became innkeepers. Blacks in Spain served as stevedores, factory workers, farm laborers, footmen, coachmen, and butlers. Male and female domestics apparently lived well compared to other lower-class people. Slaves could work in all the crafts, but could not join the guilds. A few Africans active in the Americas during the early Iberian expansion were among returnees to Portugal and Spain from America and Africa from the 16th to the 18th centuries. These included free mulatto students, clerics, free and slave household servants, sailors, and some who attained gentlemen's status. The use of many black women slaves as domestics and concubines led to mulatto offspring who received favored treatment, and in some instances, attained middle-class and even aristocratic status.

In surveying the later experience of blacks in the northern, central, and eastern European societies, there is a striking similarity to the patterns in Iberia, but with smaller populations before the 20th century. In those societies it became fashionable for the wealthy to employ blacks as decorative house servants and in ceremonial roles such as military musicians. The Dutch entry into the African slave trade, beginning in the 17th century and eventually accounting for the removal of about half a million Africans to the Americas, magnified the image of blacks as a servile race in Dutch society. This was one of the factors reinforcing a low esteem for blacks in other parts of Europe as well by the 18th century.

The basis for denigration of blacks must also be sought, however, in underlying notions within European cultures. Images of blacks and attitudes about blacks were present in Europe long before there was a significant physical presence. In visual arts, religion, epics, and legends, the Middle Ages provide a fascinating array of vivid illustrations of this point. There is a persistent pattern of ambivalence in the attitudes of white Europeans toward blacks that has survived over the centuries, always containing both positive and negative features, but usually tilting toward the latter. Imagery based upon religious themes illustrates especially well the ambivalence in question. Black saints were proclaimed in parts of medieval Europe when the Holy Roman Emperors, beginning with Charles IV's ascension in 1346, adopted blacks into the iconography of their realm. The statue of St. Maurice in the chapel of St. Kilian at Magdeburg and the 17th-century bust and older relics of St. Gregory the Moor at the church of St. Gereon in Cologne testify to the strength of these notions. This special recognition aimed not only to acknowledge the contribution of African martyrs to the Christian cause, but also to amplify the scope of the German emperor's realm and affirm the relevance of Christianity to all peoples.

Yet even some of the most beautiful art depicting blacks had darker undertones. The Adoration of the Magi was the single most popular religious theme featuring blacks in European art. The black king, handsome with noble bearing, was usually depicted as the youngest, presumably symbolizing Africa as the continent just beginning to participate in world affairs. This hint at backwardness is of course the negative aspect. Another biblical theme with a similarly ambiguous message was that surrounding the baptism of the Ethiopian eunuch, described in a passage of the Book of Acts. Although this may be interpreted as celebrating a missionary role for Christianity, it also implies European cultural superiority. Moreover, this theme becomes even more negative when it is associated with a popular symbol derived from a passage in the Old Testament Book of Jeremiah, where the impossibility of an Ethiopian changing his color is mentioned in a discussion of sin and punishment (Jeremiah 13: 22-25). In the emblematic tradition widely published in western Europe during the early modern period, a "washed Moor" was the symbol for futility.

An even older and better known religious theme bearing a negative connotation for blacks was that concerning the Hamitic legend. The convergence of this legend (as well as that on the Ethiopian baptism) with the historic advent of the African slave trade represents just the type of historical fusion that can help explain the depth of modern racism's roots: that is, myth seemingly confirmed by experience. Other imagery concerning blacks drawn more from the historical experience than from imagination might be cited from epics, legends, and literature. An illustrative medieval literary work is Wolfram von Eschenbach's Parzifal, drawn from the legend of King Arthur and his court, which evolved for centuries in England, France, Germany, and the Netherlands. The images of the blacks in the story are at times positive and at others negative, sometimes noble, at others ridiculous. Also, precursing a familiar theme of the present day, the males have uncontrollable sexual appetites. The depiction of blacks as tormentors and sexual symbols was also popular. Among Satan's titles in literature and folklore were "black knight," "black man," "big Negro," "black Jehovah," and "black Ethiopian." Such figures as Ruprecht and Black Pete (Zwarte Piet), the sometimes benevolent bogeymen who accompany the Saint Nicholas figure in the Christmas celebrations in Germany and the Netherlands, show that the ambivalence persists.

In the 19th and 20th centuries the apparent assumed inferiority of blacks would become cloaked in supposedly scientific racist theories, such as those of Joseph Gobineau and Adolph Hitler, which consciously echoed the earlier language of Kant. Reservations about the character of blacks, even when not spoken, have been among the reasons for limiting entry of blacks into Europe and for opposing racial mixture. On the other hand, this low opinion has only added to the popularity of blacks as symbols, because the commercial use of blacks as symbols tended to reinforce their dehumanization. In the course of the 19th century, industries throughout the Western world began to adopt trademarks featuring blacks; for example, those for tobacco products, cleansers, coffee, liquor, rice, shoe and metal polish, and toothpaste. Those for raw materials and foods were especially prominent. These trademarks were additional embellishment of imagery already manifested in the popular culture in literature, song, and story. This seems to reflect an association of blacks with the primitive and often with the sensuous. Similar attitudes can also be seen in the appreciation of blacks as athletes and entertainers. The ambivalence of Europeans, like their white American counterparts, toward equal acceptance of blacks in major sports and the exploitation of jazz music in the 20th century are good examples. Thus, deeply embedded stereotypes have continued to overshadow the real role of blacks in European history and culture.

How does a teacher end a course on such a gloomy note without leaving the serious student with a sense of despair? How should an instructor respond to the skeptical white student who suspects that the black professor has biased the selection of information in order to make a point; or to the embarrassed black student who believes the professor is dredging up dated, sordid history that is better left forgotten? One approach is to admit to the first that there are also negative stereotypes about whites; but they are surrounded by enough positive images to leave a more balanced perspective. For both students' objections, resort to a medical school analogy can be useful: examination of a diseased cadaver has great value despite all the difficulties of stomaching it, just as the history of racism must be confronted before it can be properly addressed in the present. It might also be added that what is learned in this examination may be instructive concerning other forms of social bias, beyond that involving blacks and beyond Europe.

—Allison Blakely, professor of European and comparative history at Howard University, is the author of Blacks in the Dutch World (Indiana University Press, 1994) and Russia and the Negro (Howard University Press, 1986).
 

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Posted by Hammer (Member # 17003) on :
 
Mike, Your ancestors were slaves and have been exploited by every society they hsave encountered for centuries. They were throwing spears at the british in the 19th century. Wake up son and smell the coffee. nobody wants you living in their neighborhood, nobody wants their kids in school with your kids. Your children casn't read asnd your neighborhoods are slums.

We damn sure do not want to hear any more of the victim babble you put out. There is a reason why when i walk into NASA I have to search for a black men and with some exceptions it ends up being the janitor.
 

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Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
 

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Originally posted by Hammer:
.... Your children casn't read asnd your neighborhoods are blah..blah..blah.....

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And you sure can spell professor..you sure can spell!
 

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Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 
Dumas was very proud of his Black heritage. Blacks played and important role in French history. The Greatest French swordsman was Georges. He raised an army of Blacks that play an important role in Napoleons army.



It was Georges who recruited Dumas' father Alexander to his Black regiment. In this unit and later while serving under Napoleon General Dumas accomplished many victories.


 

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Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 

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Nonsense. the man was 25% black. He was bon outside paris in 1824 and grew up in a european world. In 19th century Paris it would be difficult to even find a black person to self identify with. His dad was a frickin General for Napoleon.

Are you saying he self identified with slaves and hatian blacks? These is not even any common ground for him to self identify with.

This reminds me of the sally Hemmings garbage.

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In addition to General Dumas, there were five other Black Generals in Napoleon's army.




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Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
 

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Originally posted by Hammer:
Mike, Your ancestors were slaves and have been exploited by every society they hsave encountered for centuries. They were throwing spears at the british in the 19th century. Wake up son and smell the coffee. nobody wants you living in their neighborhood, nobody wants their kids in school with your kids. Your children casn't read asnd your neighborhoods are slums.

We damn sure do not want to hear any more of the victim babble you put out. There is a reason why when i walk into NASA I have to search for a black men and with some exceptions it ends up being the janitor.

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You have never been outside the trailerpark where you live. You definely have never been to NASA.

You're a stupid racist. The head of NASA is an African American General Charles Bolden.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 

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Originally posted by Hammer:
Mike, Your ancestors were slaves and have been exploited by every society they hsave encountered for centuries. They were throwing spears at the british in the 19th century. Wake up son and smell the coffee. nobody wants you living in their neighborhood, nobody wants their kids in school with your kids. Your children casn't read asnd your neighborhoods are slums.

We damn sure do not want to hear any more of the victim babble you put out. There is a reason why when i walk into NASA I have to search for a black men and with some exceptions it ends up being the janitor.

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Hammer my boy, do you know what the major problem with crackers like you is - aside from your being stupid as hell?

It's that you are fuching delusional!
You ass-holes think that what you WANT to believe (because of your pathetic need to believe that there are people even lower than you - which there isn't) So to you, what you WANT to believe is the truth - IT'S NOT. It's just your sick cracker minds.


BTW - Please Meet Mr. Charles Bolden, 12th Administrator of NASA (You know, like head Nigger in Charge).


 

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Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
 
Here's a thought. Why don't you honkys spend less time stealing other peoples stuff, and more time trying to accomplish something unique on your own.Like the ancient Egyptians, Dumas id'ed himself as black. Now some honkeys come around talking about he didn't understand what he was saying. Get real you cheap thieves. Gentiles have NEVER invented or contributed anything of value. Everything under the sun has either been invented by Africans, or Jews. White Gentiles are just human parasites.
 

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Posted by Hammer (Member # 17003) on :
 
incorrect
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 

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Originally posted by MelaninKing:
Here's a thought. Why don't you honkys spend less time stealing other peoples stuff, and more time trying to accomplish something unique on your own.Like the ancient Egyptians, Dumas id'ed himself as black. Now some honkeys come around talking about he didn't understand what he was saying. Get real you cheap thieves. Gentiles have NEVER invented or contributed anything of value. Everything under the sun has either been invented by Africans, or Jews. White Gentiles are just human parasites.

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This is the same Ahole who said AE is pre-dominantly European. (tongue in cheek).

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Posted by Whatbox (Member # 10819) on :
 
Not to say he doesn't appear the 17% black genes, i mean really peoples, but by the looks of his picture his 1/3 black juice may have all went to his mind and / or perhaps the below the waist area.

Me, i'm 50% hoss (horse person) below tha waist 50% Advanced Spacetime-man Extra Terrestrial above it.
 

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Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
 
You got me!! You said Caucasian.
 

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Posted by the lion (Member # 17353) on :
 

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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Dumas was very proud of his Black heritage. Blacks played and important role in French history. The Greatest French swordsman was Georges. He raised an army of Blacks that play an important role in Napoleons army.



It was Georges who recruited Dumas' father Alexander to his Black regiment. In this unit and later while serving under Napoleon General Dumas accomplished many victories.

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Originally posted by lamin:
In terms of race quanta it should be noted that according to well-known geneticist Cavalli-Sforza Europeans are genetically 33.3% African in terms of genotype. This stands to reason given that Europeans are descendants of population groups that originated in Africa.

Thus the claim that a black-white biracial perosn would be 50% Black and 50% White would be erroneous--given the Cavalli-Sforza hypothesis. Dumas would then be much less than the 66% white as claimed above.

Whatever his genetic background it would be disingenuous to cast Depardieu as Dumas. In Haiti he would have been seen as a "mulatre"--not a "blanc". And with that bushy hair he might find it hard to get a taxi sometimes or enter "Europeans Only" restaurants in South Africa during the days of Apartheid.

Oh well, maybe Sidney Poitier(nice French name) could play Louis XIV or Napoleon one day.

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You got me!! You said Caucasian.

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Hahaha, funny watching whites people fight over making a mulatto white when they created the one-drop rule to do the reverse.

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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Dumas was very proud of his Black heritage. Blacks played and important role in French history. The Greatest French swordsman was Georges. He raised an army of Blacks that play an important role in Napoleons army.



It was Georges who recruited Dumas' father Alexander to his Black regiment. In this unit and later while serving under Napoleon General Dumas accomplished many victories.

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@Clyde

were these bruthas sellouts?

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Here's a thought. . . . he didn't understand what he was saying. . . ..

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Hahaha, funny watching whites people fight over making a mulatto white when they created the one-drop rule to do the reverse.

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Hey shmuck! get w/the times. Stop livin in the past.

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^MK - It used to be that Jews couldn't get into the big international Financial banks. But did you make note of the people "BEHIND" the recent Financial collapse? Not the pinons like that french guy, but the people that he was working for?

Can you imagine the Zillions now in Tel Aviv and Swiss banks?

And the sh1t is, that as you said, Jews used the gentiles own greed, to get them to remove regulations in place to protect the banks, just so that they could loot them - damn Whites are stupid!

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the lion

I gots to speak on this. Why would you think that ALL Jews are the problem? It's the elites in each race that is hurting our people Black, White etc.

Why do you think that Africans, home to the richest continent have a hard time feeding there people if not for the Corrupt Elites who take the money of the Elite Westerners and screw over there citizens. There is even reports that South Africa was feeding there people genetically modifed beans.

Until the Mass unites and work for the greater good of the people we will always be hurt by the Elites in each ethnicity that is only out for themselves.

Peace

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Originally posted by KING:
the lion

I gots to speak on this. Why would you think that ALL Jews are the problem? It's the elites in each race that is hurting our people Black, White etc.

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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Dumas was very proud of his Black heritage. Blacks played and important role in French history. The Greatest French swordsman was Georges. He raised an army of Blacks that play an important role in Napoleons army.



It was Georges who recruited Dumas' father Alexander to his Black regiment. In this unit and later while serving under Napoleon General Dumas accomplished many victories.

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@Clyde

were these bruthas sellouts?

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No. Dumas' victories were against European armies.

http://www.cadytech.com/dumas/related/thomas_alexandre_dumas.php

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Has anyone noticed that the White boys have disappeared?

Wonder what that means, are they Jews laying low until it blows over. Or are they red-necks too embarrassed by their own stupidity to say anything?

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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

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Originally posted by the lion:

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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Dumas was very proud of his Black heritage. Blacks played and important role in French history. The Greatest French swordsman was Georges. He raised an army of Blacks that play an important role in Napoleons army.



It was Georges who recruited Dumas' father Alexander to his Black regiment. In this unit and later while serving under Napoleon General Dumas accomplished many victories.

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@Clyde

were these bruthas sellouts?

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No. Dumas' victories were against European armies.

http://www.cadytech.com/dumas/related/thomas_alexandre_dumas.php

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His victories were against the Italians on behalf of the French
He was also involved in Napoleon's military expedition to seize Egypt from the Ottomans and undermine Britain's access to India.

dis n' wuz a sell out

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Originally posted by KING:
So all the spoken words on this thread seems to make the Jews the scapegoat of the world.

Jews seem to be the reason why socalled ethnicitys can't get along.

Sorry if I have a hard time believing that Jews are to blame for all the worlds problems.

The TRUTH is that ALL Ethnicities must work together if we want to stop the stealing of all our rights. Trying to seperate Whites and Jews as enemies of the World will work to stop Unity The people must unite.

No matter how much times I say it, we must Have all the masses come together.

Peace

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Originally posted by lamin:
But something's going on definitely when the head of the IMF is Jewish, the head of the World bank is Jewish, the head of the U.S. Central Bank is Jewish, the head of the U.S Treasury is Jewish, the head of Goldman Sachs is Jewish, the head of Obama's economics team is Jewish, and almost the same for Britain and France. And the world's no. 1 rogue state, Israel can do no wrong.

I mean, what are those people eating? It must be good!

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They felt they were fighting for their country.

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Originally posted by MelaninKing:
KING
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The American court systems are literally filled in seating capacity with ignorant so-called black Christians like yourself. No black muslims, no black Moors, and even no black Buddists can be found sitting in any American court awaiting sentencing. Only so-called black Christians who are too ignorant to be ashamed they don't even know the basic ten commandments, and too ignorant to understand when they have been bamboozled.

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Originally posted by MelaninKing:
KING

No black muslims, no black Moors, and even no black Buddists can be found sitting in any American court awaiting sentencing. O

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Originally posted by Mike111:
MK - Love you brother, you know I do: And for the most part, what you say is true. But I just don't see the point of trading in one White mans religion for another. As I have said before; ALL you religious people scare the hell out of me.

King will respond back with all of the wonderfulness of Christianity, and he might also point out to you that it is a Black religion.

You will then respond back with all of the wonderfulness of Islam, and you will point out to him that IT is a Black religion.

But what you BOTH will miss is that you are BOTH WRONG! Yes Christianity was ORIGINALLY a Black religion - but the Greeks and Romans took that over.

Yes Islam was ORIGINALLY a Black religion - but the Turks took that over.

So now, whatever you THINK you know about Christianity OR Islam, it is only what some fool told you from reading the books WRITTEN by these Whites.

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Originally posted by Mike111:

But what you BOTH will miss is that you are BOTH WRONG! Yes Christianity was ORIGINALLY a Black religion - but the Greeks and Romans took that over.

Yes Islam was ORIGINALLY a Black religion - but the Turks took that over.

So now, whatever you THINK you know about Christianity OR Islam, it is only what some fool told you from reading the books WRITTEN by these Whites.

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He, he, See what I mean?

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Originally posted by Mike111:
He, he, See what I mean?

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Originally posted by Mike111:
He, he, See what I mean?

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Yes, and it illustrates my point.
The Hebrews have lain with the Canaanites and they are Hebrews no more.

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Originally posted by Mike111:
Jari-Ankhamun - I think you miss my point - How do you know Jesus said that?

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Originally posted by Mike111:
Jari-Ankhamun - I think you miss my point - How do you know Jesus said that?

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Originally posted by Mike111:

White people will not lie about Djoser or his dynasty: BUT, they WILL lie about Djoser being a White man. Common sense goes a long way in this business.

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Originally posted by MelaninKing:
As I said, WEAK minded, and cannot even think.

Using FACTS to support your claim that the church is beneficial is not possible. All you can do is repeat silly FAITH based bs to make your case.

If it were fact that churches benefit blacks, then why is it that the larger and more numerous that churches become, the problematic issues with black culture become larger also?
If churches are so beneficial, then why have black marriages failed as churches become larger?
Why are the majority of black churches comprised of single black mothers rising children without fathers.
Why are black churches filled with homosexuals and alcoholics.
Why is BET style materialism replacing spirituality. Do you even know what spirituality is? No, I think not. You equate it with the white man's Hey-Zeus, while spirituality existed 1000s of years before Judaism was merged with paganism to write the social fiction called, the bible.

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O.K so tell us how are we to liberate ourselves, what is your credentials?? How did we end up here in America as slaves along side Native Indians being opressed?? What is the future for the black and latino people here in America?? What is your plan for liberation or for change??

I will wait paitiently but I wont hold my breath...

The only True weak minded person is the one who does'nt know who they are, no heritage, no plan, no forefather, nothing. Holding onto every philosophy under the sun yet these philosophies are not helping.

So please tell us, besides complaining on the Jews controlling the monetary system, What are we to do??
 

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Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
 
Because the Jews who wrote the book but practice the Torah told them so.

This makes no sense for 1) the fact that the Jewish Talmud tries to discredit Christ breaks you WEAK argument in peices.

2) Why would people die, being fed to lions in the Roman Collesiums if Christianity was made up by the Jews?? The fact that people either knew and saw Christ or were relatives and friends of people that did proves Christ existed and established a church.

Its pathetic, First Horus and the Egyptians created Christ, then the Romans, the the Jews, what are you New Agers going to think of next?? LOL.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Quote: O.K so tell us how are we to liberate ourselves.

Hate to tell you this son, but you are not in bondage - except in your mind.


Quote: Its pathetic, First Horus and the Egyptians created Christ, then the Romans, the the Jews, what are you New Agers going to think of next?? LOL.

It may be pathetic, but it is also true - your religion has passed through many hands - his too.
 

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Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
 
Hate to tell you this son, but you are not in bondage - except in your mind. Im free mentally actually. I know who I am, my ancestors true "religion" my prophet, I know the who and why of our opression in America, and what to expect.

Tell this to people who bemoan the Jews controlling the monetary system, the Blacks being thrown into prison, the white man being Albino...and other internet radical garbage to no avail, no plan, no action, only moaning and groaning, wishful thinking, and philosophy.

It may be pathetic, but it is also true - your religion has passed through many hands - his too. There no truth this is why yall have to keep jumping shift First ot was Akenaton, then it was Horus, then it was the Romans, then the Jews. Can't even put together a solid consiracy..sad and pathetic.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Jari-Ankhamun - If you want to be a Christian, that's okay, just be a real Christian. Find the "Black Essence of it"

Quote: Hail to thee, great lord of justice. I have come to you, my lord, that thou may bring me so that I may see your beauty, for I know thou and I know your name. Lord of Truth is thy name. Behold, I have come to you, I have brought you truth, I have repelled falsehood for you. I have not done falsehood against men; I have not impoverished my associates; I have done no wrong in the Place of Truth, I have not learned that which is not; I have done no evil; I have not daily made labor in excess of what is due to be done for me; my name has not reached the offices of those who control slaves; I have not slandered a servant to his master; I have not caused pain; I have not made hungry; I have not made to weep; I have not killed; I have not commanded to kill; I have not made suffering for anyone. I am pure.

Sound familiar?
It's not from the Bible, it's FROM THE BOOK OF THE DEAD: The declaration of innocence.

Here is a little history to get you going.

Josiah was king and he had successfully re-taken territory from the Assyrians, who were rapidly declining in power, and then their hated capital "Nineveh", was destroyed by the Medes.

But Josiah's successful rebellion ended, when he fell in battle against pharaoh Necho (Nekau II - 26 dyn.), of Egypt. Who was intent on re-establishing Egyptian dominance in Canaan after Assyria's decline. At the same time, the Chaldean kings of Babylonia were rapidly gaining strength. King Nabopolassar of Babylon and King Cyaxares of Media divided the old Assyrian empire between themselves. After Nabopolassar's death, his son Nebuchadrezzar II, later gained control of Syria and Canaan in swift campaigns.

The Egyptians however, continued to intrigue in Canaan, whose native states were repeatedly induced to join anti-Babylonian coalitions. All of which collapsed of themselves, or were crushed by the Chaldean armies. Jerusalem was twice besieged in 597 and again in 589 B.C. Finally in about 587/586 B.C, it was stormed and destroyed. The prophet Jeremiah, who had foreseen this tragic end, and who had repeatedly warned his people against their suicidal policy, died in Egypt. Judah was devastated and almost depopulated, with most of it's people sent off to Mesopotamia.





"Rivers of Babylon" is a song written and recorded by Brent Dowe and Trevor McNaughton of The Melodians in 1972.

The song is based on the Biblical hymn Psalm 137, a hymn expressing the yearnings of the Jewish people in exile following the Babylonian conquest of Jerusalem in 586 BC. The namesake rivers of Babylon are the Euphrates river, its tributaries, and the Chebar river.

The song also has words from Psalm 19:14. It is one of a few pop songs whose lyrics come directly from the Bible.




Psalm 137 (King James Version)

Psalm 137

By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof.

For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion.

How shall we sing the LORD's song in a strange land?

If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning.

If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy.

Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.

O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.

Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.


This all changed with the victory and ascension of the Persian King Cyrus II (Cyrus the Great). After Cyrus had taken Babylon, he ordered that all the captives there be freed, and returned to their homelands, this was to be financed by Cyrus! He ordered the Hebrews restored to Jerusalem, and bade them to rebuild their temple. This period of peace lasted for almost three hundred years, but then the Persian Empire was destroyed by the armies of Alexander of Macedon.




See, the White man played no part, so why listen to his bullsh1t?
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
BTW Jari-Ankhamun - That Bible that you take so literally: The first version of it was written and re-written many times, by one of Alexanders Generals - Ptolemy II (Philadelphus) 282-246 B.C.

Ptolemy II Philadelphus, which means 'Brother/Sister-loving', was the second ruler of the Ptolemaic Dynasty. He was married to his full sister Arsinoe II.

That first version was called the SEPTUAGINT.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Jari-Ankhamun - Did you notice that in "True" Pure-Black religion, there is no hatred because of religion?

The ancient Blacks respected each others religions - and freely took from each other. Many aspects of the Persian religion "Zoroastrianism" were melded into the Hebrew religion; In the same manner that Egyptian religion was.

As you might have guessed, religious discrimination began with Whites. During the wars between the second Persian dynasty (the Sassanian) and the Romans; Rome started persecuting Zoroastrians, the Persians responded by persecuting Christians.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Here is a link that discusses the commonalities of Christianity and Zoroastrianism.

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Religions/iranian/Zarathushtrian/compasrisons_Z_christ.htm
 

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Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
 
Don't waste your time Mike.
They've swallowed the whole Biblical load and begging for more.
Next they'll run to their minister/Pastor asking the question, and of course you can guess at the answer, just before holding out hand for tithes.

I'm so pissed because I attended three churches this weekend to help a friend present new Gospel songs. Following each performance at each church I was repeatedly sexually propositioned by the church minister, the choir director, and one of the freaking minister's wife.
The same reason I stopped performing at churches 15 years ago.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
^Yes, I know; it's more than sad, it's sick. And have you noticed how people respond to it when these things come out - so pathetic.

But that is because (in order to control them) the White man has convinced them, that god is a sick, unreasonable, unforgiving, genocidal destroyer of all who do not believe what their priests tell them. Got to admit - that IS scary stuff.

BTW - One thing that I do like about Christianity is the music - love that song above. Good luck with yours, hope you get it published.
 

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Posted by Confirming Truth (Member # 17678) on :
 
Mike111, we await your thread protesting the white washing of the movie "Prince of Persia." *shrugs*
 

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Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
 
BTW Jari-Ankhamun - That Bible that you take so literally: The first version of it was written and re-written many times, by one of Alexanders Generals - Ptolemy II (Philadelphus) 282-246 B.C.

Ptolemy II Philadelphus, which means 'Brother/Sister-loving', was the second ruler of the Ptolemaic Dynasty. He was married to his full sister Arsinoe II.

That first version was called the SEPTUAGINT.

What does this have to do with anything7 Also Incest goes back to the native Egyptian royals, who the Greeks sought to copy. I guess there is nothing wrong with Incest as long as Albino Turkish Greeks are not doing it huh??

Jari-Ankhamun - Did you notice that in "True" Pure-Black religion, there is no hatred because of religion? Who said I hated anyone becuase of their religion. I could care less about other folks be they black or white religion. What I do care is about pety attacks on Christ by internet neo-Afrocentric radicals that think by copy and pasting and parroting New Age B.S and think they are going to get away with. Funny how in one sentence the White man is the Father of lies, The Devil and Albino carved in one, the next he is a reliable source, Intellegent Mystic becuase he trows yall negroes some crumbs by complimenting Africa and saying Egypt is the light of the world. I don't see Egyptians up holding this dude but the Negros flock to it becuase they have no idea who they are. upholding and defending the New Age Druid Gerald Massey...The funny part is the guy is all philosophical "ANCIENT EGYPT THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD, yet he Segregates and wont allow you ORIGINAL LIGHT OF THE WORLD "Egyptians" into his Freemasonic lodge.

[/b]the ancient Blacks respected each others religions - and freely took from each other.[/b] Yeah sure only all I hear is about Hebrews or Christ doing all the borrowing. Its like one man in history, one book, and one set of people being attacked by every religion, every race, everyone. Christ must have did SOMETHING right when he can get Racist Neo-Afrocentrics and Racist New Agers and Satanists, Arab Apoligetic Muslims together to attack one man.
Many aspects of the Persian religion "Zoroastrianism" were melded into the Hebrew religion; In the same manner that Egyptian religion was. Now the Hebrews and Jesus was Persian in origin...LOL

As you might have guessed, religious discrimination began with Whites. During the wars between the second Persian dynasty (the Sassanian) and the Romans; Rome started persecuting Zoroastrians, the Persians responded by persecuting Christians. Yet you forget the destuction of Judea in 70 A.D, the Persecution of the Christians under Rome, being fed to lions and burned alive. I don't care about a Persian or Roman belief as they have nothing to do with me or my people other than oppression. Down with both of them.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Confirming Truth:
Mike111, we await your thread protesting the white washing of the movie "Prince of Persia." *shrugs*

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I'm missing your point, don't know anything about it.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Quote: I don't care about a Persian or Roman belief as they have nothing to do with me or my people other than oppression. Down with both of them.

Jari-Ankhamun - I really, really hate to be the one to tell you this, BUT:


Constantine begot Catholicism;





AND - Catholicism begot, Methodists, Presbyterians, Anglican/Episcopalian, and Lutherans, Baptists, etc, etc.

You were saying?
 

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Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
 
All I have seen in this thread is a senseless attack on Christ.

The truth is that during the civil rights era, the church played a pivotal role in helping free AA and other minorities. Can't dispute this.

As for MK all I see is an attack on my faith, and nothing from you that refutes anything or any FACTS that you claim to have. Again you ignored where I pointed out that miracles were done in the Old Testament. Why do you continue to ignore this, yet attack me as being weak minded? Your way of proving that the Bible is "myth" is just wrong and seems more of an anger issue with people in certain churches. If people came on to you in the church thats just sad and wrong but don't blame the whole church for what a few people have done.

Peace
 

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Posted by Confirming Truth (Member # 17678) on :
 
Well? Aren't you going to protest how they don't have a Black man playing the part?

quote:

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Originally posted by Mike111:

quote:

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Originally posted by Confirming Truth:
Mike111, we await your thread protesting the white washing of the movie "Prince of Persia." *shrugs*

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I'm missing your point, don't know anything about it.

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Confirming Truth - You never got back to me about the movie.

But let me guess: It is a movie about Persians with White people playing the Persians - Right?

And so you think that means that the Persians were White - Right?

Damn boy, you sure are stupid.

Do yourself a favor, go to one of the Museum sites and look up Darius the great.

(Yes, I know that Whites have all manner of fake Persian statues, that is why I said Darius, it is one of the few authentic ones - Whites are such liars).
 

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Posted by Confirming Truth (Member # 17678) on :
 
Typical strawman tactic. Who said anything about white? Anyhow, here is a snapshot of the main character. Do you find anything wrong w/his character?

quote:

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Originally posted by Mike111:
Confirming Truth - You never got back to me about the movie.

But let me guess: It is a movie about Persians with White people playing the Persians - Right?

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quote:

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Originally posted by Confirming Truth:
Typical strawman tactic. Who said anything about white? Anyhow, here is a snapshot of the main character. Do you find anything wrong w/his character?

quote:

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Originally posted by Mike111:
Confirming Truth - You never got back to me about the movie.

But let me guess: It is a movie about Persians with White people playing the Persians - Right?

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Well yes, actually I do:
This is what a "REAL" Persian young man looked like.
I would prefer that racist Whites more accurately portray what these people actually looked like.


 

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Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
 
Jari. Are you for real? Christianity . . . .AND Islam. Those freaking goat herders who still live in the 700's

quote:

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Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:

quote:

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Originally posted by Mike111:
He, he, See what I mean?

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Im not arguing with this fool, Christ said those that deny him he will deny them to the Father. Unlike most Christians I will never force my religion on others, the way I look at it the same spirit that led me to Christ can lead anyone.. . . .

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quote:

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Originally posted by Mike111:

quote:

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Originally posted by Confirming Truth:
Typical strawman tactic. Who said anything about white? Anyhow, here is a snapshot of the main character. Do you find anything wrong w/his character?

quote:

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Originally posted by Mike111:
Confirming Truth - You never got back to me about the movie.

But let me guess: It is a movie about Persians with White people playing the Persians - Right?

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Well yes, actually I do:
This is what a "REAL" Persian young man looked like.
I would prefer that racist Whites more accurately portray what these people actually looked like.

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Actually the Persians had soldiers from all over the world I always though those people depicted were Chaldeans...

Sorry but the Persians looked like the Modern day Iranians...not like freaking Jake Gyllanhall but like Amendinijhad:






 

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Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
 
Funny, I always thought that the pic Mike posted was of the Elamites.

Peace
 

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Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
 
King the Chaldean(Babylonians) controlled Elam..



Im sure they resembled each other..

Note Im not saying the Persians like Amendinijhad looked like the Elamite depicted on the wall..Those Elamites were obviously "black"...unlike the Persians.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Jari-Ankhamun - Somehow I get the feeling that you are just a little too dense to be a Black guy - You're fronting Black aren't you. King is excused.


Glazed brick relief panel

Achaemenid Persian, late 6th century BC
From Susa, south-west Iran
From the palace of Darius I, ruler of the largest empire in antiquity

This panel is made of polychrome glazed bricks which were found by French excavators scattered in a courtyard of the palace built by the Persian king Darius I (522-486 BC). At least 18 figures have been restored and this example is on permanent loan to The British Museum from the Musée du Louvre, Paris. It was part of a larger frieze depicting rows of guards, perhaps the 'immortals' who made up the king's personal bodyguard. The arrangement of the figures may have been similar to the rows of sculptured guards carved in relief at Persepolis. According to a foundation inscription at Susa, the craftsmen who made the brick panels came from Babylonia where there had been a tradition of this sort of architectural decoration.




http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/me/g/glazed_brick_relief_panel.aspx
 

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Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
 
Mike111

Be Easy

Seems like you're right.

I don't condone disrespecting Jari and claiming he is not Black simply because he has a different opinion then you.

I have seen this pic alot of times and people said that it was a Elamite. If it is a persian, then I guess thats the TRUTH. You learn something every day. To each one teach one.

Peace
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
If you fuching White guys weren't so pathetic, I might have been offended.


From Wiki
Darius I, imagined by a Greek painter, 4th century BCE.






http://www.iranchamber.com/history/darius/darius.php
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Sorry King - no Black man is stupid enough to believe that Iranians are Persians - except that Sudanese guy that I met years ago who thought that Palestinians were native people - now THAT'S stupid!

To follow his logic, Hawass the liar is a real Egyptian - no Black man is THAT stupid.
 

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Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
 
Mike111

I know you have been on this forum for a long time. You should know that to be humble and classy gets your point accross without the disrespect.

I admited that I was wrong, No harm in this. Why do you even hint that people who have a different viewpoint then yours is stupid? You make sense more when you discuss things and not try and insult the people you are debating.

I have never understood why people like you(who has sense) Argyle, Akoben attack people when you post. It seems you guys forget we are all here to learn and better understand what was really happening in the Ancient World.

What I gather from your post of the Black persian is that Persia was a mixed country with Black and Whites who came together to build up there land. Instead of people claiming that Egypt was mixed, maybe we should look into just how mixed was Persia.

Peace
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Quote: What I gather from your post of the Black persian is that Persia was a mixed country with Black and Whites who came together to build up there land. Instead of people claiming that Egypt was mixed, maybe we should look into just how mixed was Persia.

Where?
Where is there anything in my post to suggest that Persia was a mixed-race country?

I just find it difficult to believe that people are really that dense. Therefore they must be trying to play me.
 

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Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
 
Maybe you can get your point across proving when whites/Turks entered Persia.

Denial is one of the strengths of white pople.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
BTW King - it has not missed my notice that those attempting to falsify history, are the most devout (they say) Christians.

Yes, I understand, true history and Christianity don't exactly go hand in hand.

xyyman - I guess you fell that the first hundred times was not sufficient?
 

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Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by KING:
All I have seen in this thread is a senseless attack on Christ.

The truth is that during the civil rights era, the church played a pivotal role in helping free AA and other minorities. Can't dispute this.

As for MK all I see is an attack on my faith, and nothing from you that refutes anything or any FACTS that you claim to have. Again you ignored where I pointed out that miracles were done in the Old Testament. Why do you continue to ignore this, yet attack me as being weak minded? Your way of proving that the Bible is "myth" is just wrong and seems more of an anger issue with people in certain churches. If people came on to you in the church thats just sad and wrong but don't blame the whole church for what a few people have done.

Peace

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quote:

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Originally posted by xyyman:
@ Mike.


The more I read the more I come across evidence that up to about 1000BC black people occupied the periphery of the Medit basin, and all of Southern Asia and including all of Africa(the origin). They were however not the stereotypical "negroes" we see on TV today.

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quote:

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Originally posted by MelaninKing:
mike, I think I have not gone far enough.
Please allow me to continue.

Jews conceived, organized, and funded the NAACP. Jews were and remain the decision makers sitting on the NAACP board.
They controlled W.E.B.DuBois through this organization and it was the Jewish decision of having DuBois take the lead in cooperating with the FBI accusing Marcus Garvey of Mail fraud.
It was DuBois's testimony that had Garvey deported. I'm sure you can guess why. CLose to the time of his death, DuBois reflected that he regretted this decision.
Jews also conceived, organized, and funded The American Civil Liberties union.

Were MLK followers hoodwinked by their silent Jewish controllers?
You damn straight they were. Jews held the purse strings of the NAACP and later even managed to gain control of the SLC.
Following King's death, what did Ralph Abernathy do?
He wrote a book and snitched out King, for money. These men were no thinking leaders in the sense of a Garvey, but acting front men for their Jewish controllers who wrote the scripts, gave them money, and send them out to the fire hoses.
Today's Jews owe their tremendous advances (dominance) over Media control, banking, politics, education, and industry to the outcome of the civil rights movement.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Mike111:
Jari-Ankhamun - Somehow I get the feeling that you are just a little too dense to be a Black guy - You're fronting Black aren't you. King is excused.


Glazed brick relief panel

Achaemenid Persian, late 6th century BC
From Susa, south-west Iran
From the palace of Darius I, ruler of the largest empire in antiquity

This panel is made of polychrome glazed bricks which were found by French excavators scattered in a courtyard of the palace built by the Persian king Darius I (522-486 BC). At least 18 figures have been restored and this example is on permanent loan to The British Museum from the Musée du Louvre, Paris. It was part of a larger frieze depicting rows of guards, perhaps the 'immortals' who made up the king's personal bodyguard. The arrangement of the figures may have been similar to the rows of sculptured guards carved in relief at Persepolis. According to a foundation inscription at Susa, the craftsmen who made the brick panels came from Babylonia where there had been a tradition of this sort of architectural decoration.




http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/me/g/glazed_brick_relief_panel.aspx

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The Persians were known to be white until the Arabs conqured them and even then it was so...

Mike111 says the Persians were Blacks:

Al-Jahiz says..(Islamic Philosopher)

The blacks are
more numerous than the whites. The whites at most consist of the people of Persia, Jibal,
and Khurasan, the Greeks, Slavs, Franks, and Avars, and some few others, not very
numerous; the blacks include the Zanj, Ethiopians, the people of Fazzan, the Berbers, the
Copts, and Nubians, the people of Zaghawa, Marw, Sind and India, Qamar and Dabila, China,
and Masin... The islands in the seas between China and Africa are full of blacks, such as
Ceylon, Kalah, Amal, Zabij, and their islands, as far as India, China, Kabul, and those
shores.

Al-Jahiz even compares them to Greeks, and Slavs

Herodotus-the Budini are a large and powerful nation: they have all deep blue eyes, and bright red hair. There is a city in their territory, called Gelonus, which is surrounded with a lofty wall, thirty furlongs [Polytonic

The Sythians inhabited the Northern Part in Persian called Parthia at the time, and were whitest tribe.

Parthian soldiers



Here is a Native Parthian Soldier



Notice how much he is different than the Elamite/Chadean

A True Decendant of the Elamite and Chaldean "Immortal" soldiers in service of the Persians.



Its ok Mike I took it easy on you...Go ahead and say Im Sorry Jari Im too feebleminded to know my error..I mislabeled like I did to the "Tejekker" pic..LMAO

Say it Mike111...you will feel a lot less foolish..
 

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Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
 
Djhuti

Indeed. Mike, like Clyde are fools caught up in their own errors which they HATE to admit they have. Takruri not only caught his like but exploded it only causing the fool to whine and carry on a tantrum.

MMMkay

^ Bear in mind he is not saying he "empathizes" with your work itself, but with the fact that your (useless) material was deleted. The same having happened to him.

Don't confuse the two. [Wink] The sane posters here don't "empathize" with any of the crap you put out.

Its spam, nothing more.

Sundjata

^To the pseudo-Afrocentric loon. What was the size of the Black population on ancient Jupiter? How about the Cydonian face on Mars? Is it Negroid?


Altakruri-
C'mon Mike. Quit clowning. I know you can do the
research if you would but only apply yourself,
because we all can see how resourceful you are
in ferreting out and analyzing ancient works of
art. Props to your mad skills!

Don't take my word for it folks...
 

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Posted by the lion (Member # 17353) on :
 
we need to black wash history to balance out the white washing Dr. Byron Hill
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
^Idiots DO flock together.
Neither of you can read or know what you are reading.

Al-Jahiz???
Since when do towel heads know anything about anything, or anyone care what they think they know, or make up?

Parthians were an invading people.
Gelonus is in Ukraine you fuching idiot.
 

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Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
 
MelaninKing

Sigh

Jesus Christ will always be the "Crutch" I lean on.

BUT

You know more then me about these things. What books do you think I should read. I remember reading that MLK was thinking of changing his views, Really though unless I read it again, I will have a hard time thinking MLK was thinking about stopping his Call for Unity of the Human race.

Really in my life, All I want to do is the right thing for the people(Blacks, Whites etc). Why do I have to hate Jews for the Unity of the masses? Really don't you think that it's the Elites we should worry about from all races?

Peace
 

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Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Mike111:
^Idiots DO flock together.
Neither of you can read or know what you are reading.

Al-Jahiz???
Since when do towel heads know anything about anything, or anyone care what they think they know, or make up?

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quote:

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Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:

quote:

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Originally posted by Mike111:
^Idiots DO flock together.
Neither of you can read or know what you are reading.

Al-Jahiz???
Since when do towel heads know anything about anything, or anyone care what they think they know, or make up?

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Al-Jahiz was of Ethiopian decent Mike111...

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quote:

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Originally posted by KING:
MelaninKing

Sigh

Jesus Christ will always be the "Crutch" I lean on.

BUT

You know more then me about these things. What books do you think I should read. I remember reading that MLK was thinking of changing his views, Really though unless I read it again, I will have a hard time thinking MLK was thinking about stopping his Call for Unity of the Human race.

Really in my life, All I want to do is the right thing for the people(Blacks, Whites etc). Why do I have to hate Jews for the Unity of the masses? Really don't you think that it's the Elites we should worry about from all races?

Peace

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quote:

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Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:
Though I give Al-Jahiz credit for the quote above, it still does not excuse his confusion and ignorance in your quote below. Of course I do realize that your kind routinely falsify what was actually written - so maybe he didn't actually write this.

So your only rebuttal is that Al-Jahiz was confused or that "My Kind"????(Who is my Kind African American people??) distorted this yet I quoted this from the source.

And of course, he incorrectly believed that all Chinese were Black, like the Huns, Who were probably in his time, still occupying Germany and Hungary

this is the same B.S that Eurocentrics use to discredit Al-Jahiz, he never said all the chinese were black...
the blacks include the Zanj, Ethiopians, the people of Fazzan, the Berbers, the
Copts, and Nubians, the people of Zaghawa, Marw, Sind and India, Qamar and Dabila, China,
and Masin... The islands in the seas between China and Africa are full of blacks, such as
Ceylon, Kalah, Amal, Zabij, and their islands, as far as India, China, Kabul, and those
shores.

Simply put he is saying the lands have signifigant black or dark skinned populations...If not I don't think he would say they were "Full of Blacks" he most likely would have simply said they were black...well thats how I read it.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Mike111:

quote:

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Originally posted by Jari-Ankhamun:
Though I give Al-Jahiz credit for the quote above, it still does not excuse his confusion and ignorance in your quote below. Of course I do realize that your kind routinely falsify what was actually written - so maybe he didn't actually write this.

So your only rebuttal is that Al-Jahiz was confused or that "My Kind"????(Who is my Kind African American people??) distorted this yet I quoted this from the source.

And of course, he incorrectly believed that all Chinese were Black, like the Huns, Who were probably in his time, still occupying Germany and Hungary

this is the same B.S that Eurocentrics use to discredit Al-Jahiz, he never said all the chinese were black...
the blacks include the Zanj, Ethiopians, the people of Fazzan, the Berbers, the
Copts, and Nubians, the people of Zaghawa, Marw, Sind and India, Qamar and Dabila, China,
and Masin... The islands in the seas between China and Africa are full of blacks, such as
Ceylon, Kalah, Amal, Zabij, and their islands, as far as India, China, Kabul, and those
shores.

Simply put he is saying the lands have signifigant black or dark skinned populations...If not I don't think he would say they were "Full of Blacks" he most likely would have simply said they were black...well thats how I read it.

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Actually I am more concerned about your lack of creditability. You seem to be implying above that you are AA. As I have said, I don't believe that to be the case. Yes, I know that there are many beaten-down AAs who have lost their identity, but I think that you are just lying.

BTW - On the Black Chinese; Didn't you and your fellow traveler, the lion, dispute my post on that very same subject at the link below. What, they're not Black when I say it, but they ARE Black when someone else says it? I thought only xyyman's mind worked like that.


http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=003039;p=2

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MIKE111you can call me white if you want it does'nt phase me Im not a racist like you, also shoe me where I argued about the race of the Chinese on that thread. I think you are just mad becuase of the defeat you suffered in reguards to the Persians..LOL.

BWWWWAAAA AHAHAAHAAHAAHAHAHA!!!!!

Agyle104-Check

Yonis-Check

Afronut-CHECK

MelaninKing-CHECK

Fawal-CHECK

Abdul Kareem-Check

Muhammed Abdeed-Check

Hammer-Check

and NOW...

MIKE111 added to my list of Crushed Bigots

Pharoah Jari saying PEACE BE UPON YOU to my Enemies!!!

 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Re; The Black Chinese;
1,500 years ago, Black Huns occupied and ruled all of Eastern Europe west to Germany.




All surviving accounts were written by enemies of the Huns, and none describe the Huns as attractive either morally or in appearance.

Jordanes, a Goth writing in Italy in 551, a century after the collapse of the Hunnic Empire, describes the Huns as a "savage race, which dwelt at first in the swamps,--a stunted, foul and puny tribe, scarcely human, and having no language save one which bore but slight resemblance to human speech."

"They made their foes flee in horror because their swarthy aspect was fearful, and they had, if I may call it so, a sort of shapeless lump, not a head, with pin-holes rather than eyes. Their hardihood is evident in their wild appearance, and they are beings who are cruel to their children on the very day they are born. For they cut the cheeks of the males with a sword, so that before they receive the nourishment of milk they must learn to endure wounds. Hence they grow old beardless and their young men are without comeliness, because a face furrowed by the sword spoils by its scars the natural beauty of a beard. They are short in stature, quick in bodily movement, alert horsemen, broad shouldered, ready in the use of bow and arrow, and have firm-set necks which are ever erect in pride. Though they live in the form of men, they have the cruelty of wild beasts."

Jordanes also recounted how Priscus had described Attila the Hun, the Emperor of the Huns from 434 - 453, as: "Short of stature, with a broad chest and a large head; his eyes were small, his beard thin and sprinkled with grey; and he had a flat nose and tanned skin, showing evidence of his origin.

.

But in those intervening 1,500 years, Whites have wiped out all traces of Europe's previous history as relates to the Huns.





The only evidence of the former Black masters are the occasional Gypsy.



So all of you should remember this, the next time you see a picture of Amendinijhad and think that he is a Persian.

 

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Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
 
Maybe Negritos were the Blacks Al-Jahiz described..

They are said to be diminutive Africoids and are variously called Pygmies, Negritos and Aeta. They are found in the Philippines, northern Malaysia, Thailand, Sumatra in Indonesia and other places.

Chinese historians called them "black dwarfs" in the Three Kingdoms period (AD 220 to AD 280) and they were still to be found in China during the Qing dynasty (1644 to 1911). In Taiwan they were called the "Little Black People" and, apart from being diminutive, they were also said to be broad-nosed and dark-skinned with curly hair.

The Muslims knew as early as the 10th century that Blacks were in Asia not just Africa..

Adaman/Negretos


Aboriginals


Dravidians

 

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Posted by Gigantic (Member # 17311) on :
 
Now the Gypsies are Black?! I thought I heard it all!



but wait! somehow I suspect the Afronuts will claim the present day Gypsies are not the real ones. They're just the white wash of the ottoman-turks. Where have I heard that before (every single god damn claim Afronuts make outside Negroland).
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Gigantic:
Now the Gypsies are Black?! I thought I heard it all!

but wait! somehow I suspect the Afronuts will claim the present day Gypsies are not the real ones. They're just the white wash of the ottoman-turks. Where have I heard that before (every single god damn claim Afronuts make outside Negroland).

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Foolish White Boy:

This is a common everyday White man - Please note the pink color.





This is the Gypsy boy that I posted above: Do you see a pink color - of course not.

What do you think accounts for his lack of pink color.

(BTW asshole, quote me correctly - I did not say that he was Black).


 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Gigantic - You may be interested to know that the Black Huns were probably the reason that your Pink Ass wound up in Europe. Many White scholars speculate that as the Huns raided westward, they forced the Whites in Central to flee before them - thus the great Migration.

Read about it here (click on the words "Great Migration").

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns


In case you don't want to know your "REAL" history, (and I can certainly understand why) here are some of the people who were fleeing the Black Huns.

The Migration period, also called the Barbarian Invasions or German: Völkerwanderung (wandering of the peoples), was a period of human migration that occurred roughly between the years 300 to 700 CE in Europe, marking the transition from Late Antiquity to the Early Middle Ages. These movements were catalyzed by profound changes within both the Roman Empire and the so-called 'barbarian frontier'. Migrating peoples during this period included the Goths, Vandals, Bulgars, Alans, Suebi, Frisians, and Franks, among other Germanic and Slavic tribes.

(BTW - this accounts for ALL of the White people in Europe - Just in case you are one of those assholes who think that White people are native to Europe).

{DJ are you listening?}

Migrations of peoples, although not strictly part of the 'Migration Age', continued beyond 1000 CE, marked by Viking, Magyar, Moorish, Turkic and Mongol invasions, and these also had significant effects, especially in Central and Eastern Europe.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Note to the ignorant, "Beaten-down" Negros who have in the past denigrated Afrocentrists.

The above article is from "Wiki" the racist White boys playground.

Do you think that they are admitting their "True" history willingly?

If you think so, then read a book from say, five years ago - or any high school or college history schoolbook of today.

The research and work done by Afrocentrists is what is forcing them to tell their true history - nothing else.

As an example: The Kurgan hypothesis was introduced by an Indian, Marija Gimbutas in 1956. Whites did their best to ignore it, but Afrocentrists have kept the pressure on, and each revelation added more pressure, until finally they are being forced to admit and tell the truth.

How different "True" history is from the bullsh1t that they taught you in school - eh?

Though I don't always agree with him, Clyde was one of the trailblazers - be sure to tell him thanks, next time he posts.
 

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Posted by Hammer (Member # 17003) on :
 
Mike, The Huns attacked europe in the Common era you moron.
 

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Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mike111:
King - You said Quote: All you can do is wait for Jesus and hope that more people learn the TRUTH about God and revelations.

But when Jesus comes back - isn't that "THE RAPTURE??? Scary, scary.

The Rapture is a belief that all "true Christians" will be gathered together in the air to meet Christ at his return.

The problem here is; isn't this also the time of Armageddon, when sinners like the rest of us get wiped OUT!!!

I thought you said that you loved us!
Why do you want Jesus to wipe us out????

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Originally posted by Hammer:
Mike, The Huns attacked europe in the Common era you moron.

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Originally posted by Mike111:
Gigantic - You may be interested to know that the Black Huns were probably the reason that your Pink Ass wound up in Europe. Many White scholars speculate that as the Huns raided westward, they forced the Whites in Central to flee before them - thus the great Migration.

Read about it here (click on the words "Great Migration").

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns


In case you don't want to know your "REAL" history, (and I can certainly understand why) here are some of the people who were fleeing the Black Huns.

The Migration period, also called the Barbarian Invasions or German: Völkerwanderung (wandering of the peoples), was a period of human migration that occurred roughly between the years 300 to 700 CE in Europe, marking the transition from Late Antiquity to the Early Middle Ages. These movements were catalyzed by profound changes within both the Roman Empire and the so-called 'barbarian frontier'. Migrating peoples during this period included the Goths, Vandals, Bulgars, Alans, Suebi, Frisians, and Franks, among other Germanic and Slavic tribes.

(BTW - this accounts for ALL of the White people in Europe - Just in case you are one of those assholes who think that White people are native to Europe).

{DJ are you listening?}

Migrations of peoples, although not strictly part of the 'Migration Age', continued beyond 1000 CE, marked by Viking, Magyar, Moorish, Turkic and Mongol invasions, and these also had significant effects, especially in Central and Eastern Europe.

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Mike isnt it implying that Migrations took place in Europe, like the Anglo Saxons migrating to Britian.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
Jari-Ankhamun Quote: "Mike isnt it implying that Migrations took place in Europe, like the Anglo Saxons migrating to Britian."

Like I said above:
Either you can't read, or you don't know what you are reading.


Hammer, would you please explain it to him.
(He is making White people look awfully bad).
 

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Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
 
Like I said above:
Either you can't read, or you don't know what you are reading.
Well I don't know Mike you seem to be implying something the quote does not say. We all know how you like to invent your own theories, The Tjekker, the Persians, The Albino theory,...You get my drift.


Hammer, would you please explain it to him.
(He is making White people look awfully bad).
You make Humanity in general look bad, with your looney tune crack pot theories...Like I said earlier that ass whooping I gave you must have left some mental scars.



Stay in a Fools place!!!
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 
^Can't read, but you sure know how to make accusations.

How about some substance? Show me the error with the Tjekker, the Persians, The Albinos.

He, he, That's not going to happen, is it?
 

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Posted by Jari-Ankhamun (Member # 14451) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mike111:
^Can't read, but you sure know how to make accusations.

How about some substance? Show me the error with the Tjekker, the Persians, The Albinos.

He, he, That's not going to happen, is it?

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All one has to do is look Mike111, you must live in your own world buddy boy now that people are seeing the psudo Psycho-Babble you spew all you can do is save face, pathetic really but then again its soming from YOU Mike111 so I understand..


^^^
Now stay in your place Child!!!
 

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Posted by Hammer (Member # 17003) on :
 
Mike, ML and others are a big part of why many of the old regulars have left the board. The philosophy of the old regulars may have been based on assmptions to some extent and even some whichful thinking but these guys here now are just plain nuts.
 

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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
 

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Originally posted by Hammer:
Mike, ML and others are a big part of why many of the old regulars have left the board. The philosophy of the old regulars may have been based on assmptions to some extent and even some whichful thinking but these guys here now are just plain nuts.

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Originally posted by Hammer:
Mike, ML and others are a big part of why many of the old regulars have left the board. The philosophy of the old regulars may have been based on assmptions to some extent and even some whichful thinking but these guys here now are just plain nuts.

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And your dumbass has been from 2005 reading wat we post, all up in our sh#t, pathetic that your kind can't get enough of us.
 

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Posted by the lion (Member # 17353) on :
 
Alexandre Dumas novels penned by 'fourth musketeer' ghost writer

Alexandre Dumas has a special place in France's literary hall of fame as the father of great swashbuckling historical epics.


By Henry Samuel in Paris
Published: 7:00AM GMT 10 Feb 2010


But a leading academic has cast doubt on how much of The Three Musketeers and The Count of Monte Cristo he actually penned. A new film will also suggest they were largely written by an unsung assistant.

The importance of the author's "nègre" – the French term for ghost writer – is explained by Claude Schopp, France's leading Dumas expert, in his Dictionary of Alexandre Dumas out next month.


He claims that Auguste Jules Maquet was the real "fourth musketeer", the man who actually came up with the plot for the trilogy featuring Porthos, Athos, Aramis. and d'Artagnan.

The relationship between Dumas, an ogre-like philanderer, and Maquet, a plain, family man is also the subject of L'Autre Dumas (The Other Dumas), a film starring Gérard Depardieu out on Wednesday in France.

In the 1830s, Maquet, a novelist and playwright, had tried to have his works published but was told: "You have written a masterpiece, but you're not a name and we only want names."

Another writer, Gérard de Nerval put him in touch with Dumas and asked the already famous author if he would rework one of Maquet's plays, which was subsequently published.

Soon afterwards, Dumas, a bon vivant who consistently spent more than he earned, fled his French creditors for Florence. There, he asked Maquis if he would let him publish one of his novels in serial form. Dumas renamed it Le Chevalier d'Harmental and it was published in 1841, signed only Alexandre Dumas.

This was to be the start of a hugely fruitful literary partnership. Maquis would come up with the plots and historical backdrop and Dumas would embellish and expand on the story in his flamboyant style, Mr Schopp explained.

Dumas would pay Maquet handsomely and reap the glory. The duo spawned dozens of novels over a decade including the musketeer trilogy, The Count of Monte Cristo, Twenty Years After and The Vicomte of Bragelonne: Ten Years Later.

At one stage, according to Mr Schopp, who recently unearthed Dumas' last, unfinished novel, the acclaimed author even stood up after a stage performance of the musketeers and publicly acknowledged Maquet as the "co-author" of the work.

However, he got Maquet to sign a paper waiving all ownership rights to their joint works. Then in 1858, the pair fell out over money, which the debt-ridden Dumas owed his ghost writer.

Maquet took him to court three times, asking not just for money but recognition. During one court case, an editor at Le Siècle, a newspaper that serialised Dumas' works, sent a letter to Maquis backing up his claims. He recounted how an episode of the Vicomte de Bragelonne which was due to be published in his paper had gone missing the day it was due to be printed. Dumas was unavailable so Maquet was contacted.

By midnight he had rewritten the episode, which was published. When, the following day, the Dumas "rewritten" text was found, "only 30 words from 500 lines were not absolutely the same".

Despite such support, the court ordered Maquet financial compensation but rejected his demands to be recognised as co-author.

His name would remain forever off the famous works. But he had one form of posthumous recognition: on his tombstone in Paris' Père-Lachaise cemetery are engraved The Three Musketeers, the Count of Monte Cristo and La Reine Margot.

Dumas’ remains, by contrast, were recently transferred with great pompt to the Pantheon, the Paris mausoleum where France’s greats are interred.

At the ceremony in 2002, Jacques Chirac, then president said: “With you, we were D’Artagnan, Monte Cristo, or Balsamo, riding along the roads of France, touring battlefields, visiting palaces and castles — with you, we dream.”

Not all critics see Maquet's role as so important. Alain Decaux, a well-known historian and writer noted: "Just like the Renaissance painters, someone had to prepare your frescoes – and it is right that Auguste Maquet be named – but in the end, the quill is yours."



Alexandre Dumas/Auguste Jules Maquet
 

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Posted by Child Of The KING (Member # 9422) on :
 
Bump for tha real
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
My few cents on this topic.

I've known since elementary school that Alexander Dumas was black since my (white) literature teacher taught about his identity and background.

The blatant and overt racism about this issue is ridiculous! Of course Dumas was European both nationally and culturally. In the same sense many African Americans including those of mixed background are also American nationally and culturally yet the racist idiots are quick to diminish or deny their black heritage when they are great individuals or renown! LOL Apparently it did not matter if these individuals self-identified as black, these idiots can't stand to have blacks prominent in their (white) societies.

It's obvious from Hammered's replies that he sees blacks as nothing more than slaves or a slave-class yet this so-called history professor fails to acknowledge that even in enslaved and repressed conditions there were still blacks who rose to prominence in such societies. Clyde Winters presents some really good and I mean accurate information concerning Dumas's father as well as the situation of blacks in Napoleonic France. It is one of those rare instances in a blue moon where he provides any historical accuracy. But getting back to the point, it is the mentality that if it was great it had to have been 'white' that disturbs me the most.
 

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Posted by Child Of The KING (Member # 9422) on :
 

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
My few cents on this topic.

I've known since elementary school that Alexander Dumas was black since my (white) literature teacher taught about his identity and background.

The blatant and overt racism about this issue is ridiculous! Of course Dumas was European both nationally and culturally. In the same sense many African Americans including those of mixed background are also American nationally and culturally yet the racist idiots are quick to diminish or deny their black heritage when they are great individuals or renown! [b]LOL[b] Apparently it did not matter if these individuals self-identified as black, these idiots can't stand to have blacks prominent in their (white) societies.

It's obvious from Hammered's replies that he sees blacks as nothing more than slaves or a slave-class yet this so-called history professor fails to acknowledge that even in enslaved and repressed conditions there were still blacks who rose to prominence in such societies. Clyde Winters presents some really good and I mean accurate information concerning Dumas's father as well as the situation of blacks in Napoleonic France. It is one of those rare instances in a blue moon where he provides any historical accuracy. But getting back to the point, it is the mentality that if it was great it had to have been 'white' that disturbs me the most.

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