With the establishment of Roman rule by Emperor Augustus in 30 B.C., more than six centuries of Roman and Byzantine control began. Egypt again became the province of an empire, as it had been under the Persians and briefly under Alexander. As the principal source of the grain supply for Rome, it came under the direct control of the emperor in his capacity as supreme military chief, and a strong force was garrisoned there. Gradually, Latin replaced Greek as the language of higher administration. In 212 Rome gave the Egyptians citizenship in the empire.
The emperor ruled as successor to the Ptolemies with the title of "Pharaoh, Lord of the Two Lands," and the conventional divine attributes assigned to Egyptian kings were attributed to him. Rome was careful, however, to bring the native priesthood under its control, although guaranteeing traditional priestly rights and privileges.
Augustus and his successors continued the tradition of building temples to the local gods on which the rulers and the gods were depicted in the Egyptian manner. The Romans completed the construction of an architectural jewel, the Temple of Isis on Philae Island (Jazirat Filah), which was begun under the Ptolemies. A new artistic development during this period was the painting of portraits on wood, an art that originated in the Fayyum region. These portraits were placed on the coffins of mummies.
The general pattern of Roman Egypt included a strong, centralized administration supported by a military force large enough to guarantee internal order and to provide security against marauding nomads. There was an elaborate bureaucracy with an extended system of registers and controls, and a social hierarchy based on caste and privilege with preferred treatment for the Hellenized population of the towns over the rural and native Egyptian population. The best land continued to form the royal domain.
The empire that Rome established was wider, more enduring, and better administered than any the Mediterranean world had known. For centuries, it provided an ease of communication and a unity of culture throughout the empire that would not be seen again until modern times. In Western Europe, Rome founded a tradition of public order and municipal government that outlasted the empire itself. Rome's contact with other Eastern civilizations was less successful.
The story of Roman Egypt is a sad record of shortsighted exploitation leading to economic and social decline. Like the Ptolemies, Rome treated Egypt as a mere estate to be exploited for the benefit of the rulers. But however incompetently some of the later Ptolemies managed their estate, much of the wealth they derived from it remained in the country itself. Rome, however, was an absentee landlord, and a large part of the grain delivered as rent by the royal tenants or as tax by the landowners as well as the numerous money-taxes were sent to Rome and represented a complete loss to Egypt.
The history of Egypt in this period cannot be separated from the history of the Roman Empire. Thus, Egypt was affected by the spread of Christianity in the empire in the first century A.D. and by the decline of the empire during the third century A.D. Christianity arrived early in Egypt, and the new religion quickly spread from Alexandria into the hinterland, reaching Upper Egypt by the second century. According to some Christian traditions, St. Mark brought Christianity to Egypt in A.D. 37, and the church in Alexandria was founded in A.D. 40. The Egyptian Christians are called Copts, a word derived from the Greek word for the country, Aegyptos. In the Coptic language, the Copts also called themselves "people of Egypt." Thus the word Copt originally implied nationality rather than religion.
In the third century A.D., the decay of the empire gradually affected the Roman administration of Egypt. Roman bureaucracy became overcentralized and poorly managed. The number of qualified applicants for administrative positions was seriously reduced by Roman civil war, pestilence, and conflict among claimants to imperial power.
A renaissance of imperial authority and effectiveness took place under Emperor Diocletian. During his reign (284-305), the partition of the Roman Empire into eastern and western segments began. Diocletian inaugurated drastic political and fiscal reforms and sought to simplify imperial administration. Under Diocletian, the administrative unity of Egypt was destroyed by transforming Egypt from one province into three. Seeing Christianity as a threat to Roman state religion and thus to the unity of the empire, Diocletian launched a violent persecution of Christians.
The Egyptian church was particularly affected by the Roman persecutions, beginning with Septimius Severus's edict of 202 dissolving the influential Christian School of Alexandria and forbidding future conversions to Christianity. In 303 Emperor Diocletian issued a decree ordering all churches demolished, all sacred books burned, and all Christians who were not officials made slaves. The decree was carried out for three years, a period known as the "Era of Martyrs." The lives of many Egyptian Christians were spared only because more workers were needed in the porphyry quarries and emerald mines that were worked by Egyptian Christians as "convict labor."
Emperor Constantine I (324-337) ruled both the eastern and western parts of the empire. In 330 he established his capital at Byzantium, which he renamed Constantinople (present-day Istanbul). Egypt was governed from Constantinople as part of the Byzantine Empire. In 312 Constantine established Christianity as the official religion of the empire, and his Edict of Milan of 313 established freedom of worship.
By the middle of the fourth century, Egypt was largely a Christian country. In 324 the ecumenical Council of Nicea established the patriarchate of Alexandria as second only to that of Rome; its jurisdiction extended over Egypt and Libya. The patriarchate had a profound influence on the early development of the Christian church because it helped to clarify belief and to formulate dogmas. In 333 the number of Egyptian bishops was estimated at nearly 100.
After the fall of Rome, the Byzantine Empire became the center of both political and religious power. The political and religious conflict between the Copts of Egypt and the rulers of Byzantium began when the patriarchate of Constantinople began to rival that of Alexandria. The Council of Chalcedon in 451 initiated the great schism that separated the Egyptian Church from Catholic Christendom. The schism had momentous consequences for the future of Christianity in the East and for Byzantine power. Ostensibly, the council was called to decide on the nature of Christ. If Christ were both God and man, had he two natures? The Arians had already been declared heretics for denying or minimizing the divinity of Christ; the opposite was to ignore or minimize his humanity. Coptic Christians were Monophysites who believed that after the incarnation Christ had but one nature with dual aspects. The council, however, declared that Christ had two natures and that he was equally human and equally divine. The Coptic Church refused to accept the council's decree and rejected the bishop sent to Egypt. Henceforth, the Coptic Church was in schism from the Catholic Church as represented by the Byzantine Empire and the Byzantine Church.
For nearly two centuries, Monophysitism in Egypt became the symbol of national and religious resistance to Byzantium's political and religious authority. The Egyptian Church was severely persecuted by Byzantium. Churches were closed, and Coptic Christians were killed, tortured, and exiled in an effort to force the Egyptian Church to accept Byzantine orthodoxy. The Coptic Church continued to appoint its own patriarchs, refusing to accept those chosen by Constantinople and attempting to depose them. The break with Catholicism in the fifth century converted the Coptic Church to a national church with deeply rooted traditions that have remained unchanged to this day.
By the seventh century, the religious persecutions and the growing pressure of taxation had engendered great hatred of the Byzantines. As a result, the Egyptians offered little resistance to the conquering armies of Islam.
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
The Greek and Roman colonisers of Egypt discriminated against the native Egyptian, they treated the black Egyptian as second class citizen.Only the Greek, the Roman and the immigrant Jewish, Syrian population that serve them occupied the highest and most important position/jobs in colonised Egypt.
The Greek and Roman colonisers exploited Egypt economicaly.Egyptian farmers were taxes sometime heavily for the benefit of the colonisers.Most of Egypt grain production were exported to Rome.The black Egyptian revolted many times against Greek and Roman colonisers located in Alexandria.Greek and Roman repression of these revolts cause thousands of Egyptian to immigrate to West, East and Central Africa. Some black scholar call Egypt the first black African colony of Europe.
The Christian Roman Emperor Theodosius destroyed black Ancient Egyptian culture by closing the Ancient Egyptian Temple and University, by making the Ancient Egyptian religion illegal and by burning the 700,000 manuscripts library of Alexandria.Theodosius wanted Roman literalise Christianity(A copy of black Egyptian Neterism and Christian Gnosism)to become the only religion of the Roman Empire control by the Roman elite and Emperor.Roman Christianity reorganised by Emperor Constantine at the conference Nicea is the most powerful religion on earth today with 1.5 billion members still controled by the Roman Emperor/Pharaoh/Pope Benedict XVI and ancient Papal families.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
You guys are more knowledgeable about this than me ...but since I am a skeptic...and I read more about AE since joining the forum. I question that belief. Reading about the lineage of Cleopatra I very much doubt that is the case. It seems that the greeks were fughking the natives more so than even their fellow Greeks. Assuming the Greeks were white, it seems liked they were fughking the the natives every which way. But that is not the suprise. What is suprising is the offsprings were allowed to ascend the Ptolomey throne. See Cleo, her father, grandfather and even her younger brother. And they were the only one I read up on. Cleo young brother was murdered to prevent him from ascending the throne. He is confirmed to have a black Egyptian mother ..if not Cleo.
Now I question everything a white person writes.
quote:Originally posted by mena7: The Greek and Roman colonisers of Egypt discriminated against the native Egyptian, they treated the black Egyptian as second class citizen..
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
BTW Lioness. What is the point of the post. Copy and paste. Bold or highlight your point.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by mena7: The Greek and Roman colonisers of Egypt discriminated against the native Egyptian, they treated the black Egyptian as second class citizen..
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: You guys are more knowledgeable about this than me ...but since I am a skeptic...and I read more about AE since joining the forum. I question that belief. Reading about the lineage of Cleopatra I very much doubt that is the case. It seems that the greeks were fughking the natives more so than even their fellow Greeks. Assuming the Greeks were white, it seems liked they were fughking the the natives every which way. But that is not the suprise. What is suprising is the offsprings were allowed to ascend the Ptolomey throne. See Cleo, her father, grandfather and even her younger brother. And they were the only one I read up on. Cleo young brother was murdered to prevent him from ascending the throne. He is confirmed to have a black Egyptian mother ..if not Cleo.
Now I question everything a white person writes.
Yet yet you are far from enitirely dismissing DNA analysis written by the cave beast.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: BTW Lioness. What is the point of the post. Copy and paste. Bold or highlight your point.
The thread is an outline of how the Romans ran Egypt.
Your assumption is that because occupiers fvckd the occupied they treated them as equals. Might I remind you of the plantation owners in the deep South, although treatment of Egyptians might be more along the lines of dominant nationalism rather than racism. Look up "Fayum mummy portraits" in wikipedia and also in google images for portraits of mixed
The point at which Egypt was never to return to governing itself was the invasion of the Assyrians followed by Persians (short periods) , then Greeks who were supposedly not as oppressive as the Persians, then Romans then Arabs. But Egypt had had the longest running empire in history. Keep in mind the topic of this thraed is Roamn Egypt rather than Greek Egypt.
googlebooks is a great resource go there and type in "Roman Egypt" and "Greek Egypt" I haven't read that much about these topics yet
they have a wide variety of authors there including the likes of Molefi Asante and Diop as well as Genetic textbooks
I'm not sure about this term "Moorish Civilization" They were civilized. I would call the Moors a part of Islamic Civilization, largely Arab and directed from Mecca.
The Roman empire was predominantly white but they controlled territories in Africa, had some blacks and other etnicities in the population and had a few Emperors who were part "berber" ( something of a culture rather than a precisely defined ethnicity, similarly "Moor") The Year of the Five Emperors refers to the year 193, in which after the assianation of Commodus, there were five claimants for the title of Roman Emperor. The five were Pertinax, Didius Julianus, Pescennius Niger, Clodius Albinus and Septimius Severus. Some of them were born in Africa including Albinus who was known for his light skin. Others were part berber.
As per the Egyptian civilization it is part of Nile Valley civilization which runs further South into Sub Saharn Africa. They incorporated dieties from other African cultures into their religion. But the were also very close to the Near East and for that reason it possible that they may have had some significant mixture with Levantine people also I'm not sure how much. depictions of the Egyptians is widely diverse including of the more southerly looking type African. Meroe to the South had pyamids also but all coantructed after the Egyptaisn finished making their. The Sumerians however had monumental architecture of their own style as early as the Egyptians. You cannot find that type of stone architecture in other parts of Africa in the predyanastic and Old Kingdom periods The unique location of Egypt includes the small bottleneck sinai which is the only point of traversable continuous land between Africa and Asia. Sometimes ancient writers regarded Africa as part of Asia Rome and Greece however are not geographic hub between continents. Also befoer the late dynasties a large part of Egypt was ruled by the Hyksos for about 100 years.
There is also a point at which "African" people evolve into people that would be described as "non African" . This is separate from admixture. SOY Keita points this out. It occurs in stages over long periods of time. Sometimes these people are called "intermediate" There could even be more of these "halfway" types than similar looking people that are a result of admixture. Were they mixed rather than imtemediate? It's a maybe. Some of them however appear to be largely pure African similar to other Africans. In the past couple of years more new mummies were found so there may be new information coming in in the future
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: [qb] ^ More than that, we know that the Egyptians have had relations with the people of the Sinai since predynastic times. The earliest dynastic writings label the natives of the Sinai as 'Monitu' whom they traded turquoise with. There may even be evidence of proto-Egyptic/proto-Semitic ties due to early Sinai and Canaanite deities and rulers having similar headdresses as Egyptians. There is a book I read once that described a probable predynastic Egyptian colonization of the Sinai and Canaan right before unification.
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
"Ancient Egyptian civilisation - not primarily black, it was mixed. Moorish civilisation - not primarily black (even though Moor means black) it was mixed. Greek civilisation, primarily white. Roman civilisation, primarily white." - Lioness
"Predynastic Sinai and Canaanites = no blacks" - Lioness
"Phonecians traders in North Africa = no blacks" - Lioness
quote:There is also a point at which "African" people evolve into people that would be described as "non African" . This is separate from admixture. SOY Keita points this out. It occurs in stages over long periods of time. Sometimes these people are called "intermediate" There could even be more of these "halfway" types than similar looking people that are a result of admixture. Were they mixed rather than imtemediate? It's a maybe.
^ doesn't even begin to support your crackpot theory...
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
quote:They didn't have enough of it to characterize these civilizations as mulatto.
Wah??! LOL! Oh really prof. lioness, you are privy to these intimate demographic details? I would love to know too, what does your "research" say about the numbers of "mixed" offspring (in %) in the Greco-Roman world as compared to Carthage and AE. Sources please.
Not enough sex. LoL!
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
^^^ the simplton comes and makes upf false quotes. Knows nothing about Egypt under Rome and Byzantium, 30 B.C.-A.D. 640. Doesn't care to know about it. Goes into the tired old "were the Egyptians black" thing trying to raise his ptofile in the forum and get attention. Problem is everyone knows he's a troll, and would rather here someone else argue with me who knows more. And most people get tired of that discussion over and over again. They would rather discuss the Romans in Egypt. And the initial thread didin't even have a sidebar into "were the Egyptians black?" So this troll comes in jealous he has no posts of his own and to cover up his lack of knowlege on the topic wants to to go into racial politics to get attention. Sad loser Menawhile he's the same person who believes Trayvon martin got what he deserved. But I'm not going to discuss that here.What does that have to do with Roman rule in Egypt?
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
^ Bitch can't defend his crackpot theory so now the troll will pretend he has standards and don't go OT. LOL!
Please, the diversion wont work. Your posts are there for all to see no need to make up shyt. You're the one guilty of out-of-your-azz theories (shyt making?). Denying AE was primarily black has been your theme for fourteen thousand posts now. Recently you claimed that AE was primarily mixed and ancient Rome was primarily white based on whites not having as much sex with blacks etc. But when asked to support your shyt making it's all "I'm not sure" and "it's a maybe". LOL! Well damn bitch, I thought unlike me you did "research"? Are you saying your mulatto theory is based on anti-black ideology and your only reason in here is to promote that BS?
When you first came I was thought you were Salassin/Jamie but it was only a matter of time before you notice the enormous difference between his posts and your "research" (i.e spam). You're all troll Lioness productions. Can't even learn anything from you.
STILL NOT SUPPORTED...
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
quote:They didn't have enough of it to characterize these civilizations as mulatto.
Wah??! LOL! Oh really prof. lioness, you are privy to these intimate demographic details? I would love to know too, what does your "research" say about the numbers of "mixed" offspring (in %) in the Greco-Roman world as compared to Carthage and AE. Sources please.
Not enough sex. LoL!
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Lioness, why are you such an idiot? No one can make a well founded pronouncement on the racial nature of Europe. Simply because there is absolutely no trustworthy source to base an opinion on. Regardless of whether you accept it or not, Albinos have spent the past two/three centuries muddling racial history with lies and fake artifacts. So my guess is that it will be a long time before we are able to peel away all of the Albinos lies, fakes, and bullsh1t.
Here is an interesting one for you.
Medal of Italian artist Giovanni Paolo Lomazzo by Annibale Fontana - 1650
Here he is clearly a Mulatto, no doubt with Black/Albino parents at home in Milan.
Albino sources tell us that this is his SELF PORTRAIT!
How can we move ahead when Albinos continue to insult our intelligence like this? Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
"Ancient Egyptian civilisation - not primarily black, it was mixed. Moorish civilisation - not primarily black (even though Moor means black) it was mixed. Greek civilisation, primarily albino. Roman civilisation, primarily albino." - Lioness
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
Hypocrite much Mike?? You are the one trying to insult our intelligence. We can not move ahead while Black racist idiots like yourself and your crew continue to use racist epithets towards us, continue to try to steal our history, continue to try to steal our heritage, our identities, continue trying to steal our homeland, and continue trying to leak on us & tell us its raining.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Doxie dear, I'm sure your people DO have a history: but because they never developed a writing/reading system to record it, there is no way for us to know what it was.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Lioness, why are you such an idiot? No one can make a well founded pronouncement on the racial nature of Europe. Simply because there is absolutely no trustworthy source to base an opinion on. Regardless of whether you accept it or not, Albinos have spent the past two/three centuries muddling racial history with lies and fake artifacts. So my guess is that it will be a long time before we are able to peel away all of the Albinos lies, fakes, and bullsh1t.
Here is an interesting one for you.
Medal of Italian artist Giovanni Paolo Lomazzo by Annibale Fontana - 1650
Here he is clearly a Mulatto, no doubt with Black/Albino parents at home in Milan.
Albino sources tell us that this is his SELF PORTRAIT!
How can we move ahead when Albinos continue to insult our intelligence like this?
^^^ This is another self portrait by Giovanni Paolo Lomazzo.
The medal at top from a owned and made available for you to see on the internet by white sources by was made according to you in 1650.
Giovanni Paolo Lomazzo had died 1592 - 58 years earlier and more years before he made self portraits.
Mike, what does that tell you?
Also you make the following assumption over and over again
^^^^ you call someone like this Mulatto and assume that that means he had parents that looked different form one another, one black the other white
^^^^ when in reality his parents look similar to how he looks and such case could go back many generations
Turkish family, Istanbul
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Obviously that was suppose to be 1560.
He,he,he: So you really like those Turk mulattoes eh?
This is how nice-n-pink they used to look before they started having babies with Black men.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
^^^^^ the same argument could be made about the vast majority of European paintings of the nobility
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
13th century book illustration produced in Baghdad by al Wasiti showing a slave market in the town of Zabid in Yemen . -note the date of this art and the fact it was made by Muslims
see if you can steer back tp Romans in Egypt topic. we've done the Turk thing hundreds of times
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: 13th century book illustration produced in Baghdad by al Wasiti showing a slave market in the town of Zabid in Yemen . -note the date of this art and the fact it was made by Muslims
see if you can steer back tp Romans in Egypt topic. we've done the Turk thing hundreds of times
^Albinos deluding again!
Idiot, I see three Black guys and one White guy sitting down. The Black guy front left, seems to have a halo around his head.
Meanwhile some White guy on the left is dragging a White woman towards them, while a standing White guy on the right seems to be talking to them - maybe extolling the woman's talents?
The only one that could be a slave is the woman - what's your point, gender inequality?
Idiots in general:
CUSTOMERS "Sit" MERCHANTS "Stand" SLAVES "Do NOT sit" (unless it is a crowd control situation).
Negroes, tell the truth, how many of you believed that Albino bullsh1t?
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
This is info that you will need to know for my next post.
History of the Kurdish people
The Kurds are an ethnic group who have historically inhabited the mountainous areas to the south of Caucasus (Zagros and Taurus mountain ranges), a geographical area collectively referred to as Kurdistan. Most Kurds speak an Indo-European language belonging to the Iranian branch.
There are various hypotheses as to predecessor populations of the Kurds, such as the Carduchoi of Classical Antiquity. The earliest known Kurdish dynasties under Islamic rule (10th to 12th centuries) are the Hasanwayhids, the Marwanids, the Shaddadids, followed by the Ayyubid dynasty founded by Saladin. The Battle of Chaldiran of 1514 is an important turning point in Kurdish history, marking the alliance of Kurds with the Ottomans. The Sharafnameh of 1597 is the first account of Kurdish history. Kurdish history in the 20th century is marked by a rising sense of Kurdish nationhood focussed on the goal of an independent Kurdistan as scheduled by the Treaty of Sèvres in 1920. Partial autonomy was reached by Kurdistan Uyezd (1923–1926) and by Iraqi Kurdistan (since 1991), while notably in Turkish Kurdistan, an armed conflict between the PKK and Turkish Armed Forces was ongoing from 1984 to 1999, and the region continues to be unstable with renewed flaring up of violence in the 2000s.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Wanna know Middle-east, West Asian history in short form?
Here it is:
Black Penis:
Albino Turk Virgina.
.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Wanna know Middle-east, West Asian history in short form?
Here it is:
Black Penis:
Albino Turk Virgina.
.
when you say black penis are you referring to the black haram guards who were bought by the Turkish owners of these baths and had their balls cut off so they wouldn't get any ideas?
Again, information is left out puposely. Jean Germome 1824 - 1904
in order to make these paintings he visited Turkey where these Ottoman baths were.
So right after trying to say the Turks were white he's trying to claim they were black and had these white women slaves.
Mike your scholarship a fvcking joke
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Mike it's disappointing I thought you might have some research on the Romans in egypt. Instaed you are in an emotioal Turk obsessed whilwind of picture spams
parading around eunuch slaves of the Turks and calling it pride
The Ottman sultans weren't hanging around these baths. They were in fancy rooms smoking hookahs waiting for the black slave women to finish washing the white slave girls so the could meet them in their bedrooms. If they acted charming enough they might get special privilges. Look into it
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
32-01-06/66 MEDIEVAL MANUSCRIPT, ILLUMINATED 15TH CENTURY Sultan Saladin holding a scimitar. From "The Six Ages of the World". Code 0210005549 The British Library, London, Great Britain
Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
the 17 cent CE medal of Italian artist Giovani Paolo Lomazo and the painting of Giovani Paolo Lomazo show part of the Italian people to be metis/mulato.
Great find Mike I didnt know there was black Kurdish people.I didnt know Ayyubid Kurdish general Saladin was black.This morning AMC tv was playing the movie kingdom of heaven were the Chritian knight Templar and the Muslim lead by Saladin were fighting for Jerusalem. Saladin is show as a semite in the movie not black. 17 cent CE Historical artifact like the painting of Dutch painter Jan Lievens show Saladin is a black man.
Napoleon 1 stated history is European lie agreed upon.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^What it shows is that like we have been saying, the Albinos took power only recently. The question is, what caused them to rebel, and kill off all of their Black Lords.
It really is uncomfortable, almost sickening, to see lioness flopping around, trying to find a workable lie. Poor sad creature.
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
Mike you are the one who is lying & trying to steal other people's identities, histories, heritages, & homelands. Trying to claim all for your own people & leaving everyone else particularly Whites with nothing, no history, no heritage, no identity, no homeland, no pride. Typical of you & the rest of your Kill Whitey, White people hating, White people genocidist, Black racist ilk (Narmer, Ironcocksucker, Typezeiss, Mena7, Mali, Xyyman, Nontruthhitman, etc).
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Mike you are the one who is lying & trying to steal other people's identities, histories, heritages, & homelands. Trying to claim all for your own people & leaving everyone else particularly Whites with nothing, no history, no heritage, no identity, no homeland, no pride.
Typical of you & the rest of your Kill Whitey, White people hating, White people genocidist, Black racist ilk (Narmer, Ironcocksucker, Typezeiss, Mena7, Mali, Xyyman, Nontruthhitman, etc).
^Black roll of Honor!
But we don't hate Whitey, nor do we wish Whitey harm.
Are you familiar with the "Devils Island" concept? i.e. removing the most dangerous criminals from contact with normal people?
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
On point as usual. After you mention it, yes, you are right. Clearly the depiction is the white woman being sold by the merchants to the buyers(blacks).
Man. Once mentally deprogrammed we see things differently.
Anyone knows Arabic? What does it say?
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: 13th century book illustration produced in Baghdad by al Wasiti showing a slave market in the town of Zabid in Yemen . -note the date of this art and the fact it was made by Muslims
see if you can steer back tp Romans in Egypt topic. we've done the Turk thing hundreds of times
^Albinos deluding again!
Idiot, I see three Black guys and one White guy sitting down. The Black guy front left, seems to have a halo around his head.
Meanwhile some White guy on the left is dragging a White woman towards them, while a standing White guy on the right seems to be talking to them - maybe extolling the woman's talents?
The only one that could be a slave is the woman - what's your point, gender inequality?
Idiots in general:
CUSTOMERS "Sit" MERCHANTS "Stand" SLAVES "Do NOT sit" (unless it is a crowd control situation).
Negroes, tell the truth, how many of you believed that Albino bullsh1t?
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Quote: "maybe extolling the woman's talents" He! He! He! Got to admit they are good. He! He!
No holds barred.....
Clear depiction of why we lost the Middle East. ..........
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: On point as usual. After you mention it, yes, you are right. Clearly the depiction is the white woman being sold by the merchants to the buyers (blacks).
Man. Once mentally deprogrammed we see things differently.
Anyone knows Arabic? What does it say?
Don't blame yourself, since birth, nearly every Albino that you came across was trying to teach you to think like that.
Now consider this:
If they were called what they are - Albinos, would you have been so quick to believe them?
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
LOL, awww don't talk about yourself & your ilk (the above mentioned, oh forgot Kikuyu in that list) like that Mike, you may be Black racists, you may hate Whitey, you may be liars & history thieves,identity thieves, you may be mental but you aren't dangerous then again I could be wrong & you may be LOL. Again Mike we Whites are NOT Albinos everyone knows that you and your kill Whitey ilk only use Albino as a way to demean, degrade, belittle, & dehumanize us.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Again Mike we Whites are NOT Albinos everyone knows that you and your kill Whitey ilk only use Albino as a way to demean, degrade, belittle, & dehumanize us.
Albinism Definition Albinism is an inherited condition present at birth, characterized by a lack of pigment that normally gives color to the skin, hair, and eyes. Many types of albinism exist, all of which involve lack of pigment in varying degrees. The condition, which is found in all races, may be accompanied by eye problems and may lead to skin cancer later in life.
But Only you people (Albinos) are Pink "Outside" too.
The reason is the word in the definition above: YOU HAVE NO, OR VERY LITTLE, PIGMENTATION!
Now do you understand? Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Slave market, from Muslim manuscript of 13th c.. Published on L'Illustration, Journal Universel, Paris, 1860, drawing of Parent from collection of M. Schefer, professor at school of oriental languages
They seem to be negotiating . What appears to be a child is pointing to his open hand as if to indicate receiving something. At right the standing figure communictaing something with his hands
Now look at the top left figure. He has that same hand in that same finger pointing to hand position. "give me" perhaps
Of what appears to be slaves sitting in the middle there is a light skinned person in the back
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Sad, really sad.
Fool, the Black guy on the right is pointing too.
Damn, you're stupid.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
So then, who were these Black Kurds originally?
The progenitor of the Ayyubid dynasty was Najm ad-Din Ayyub bin Shadhi. He belonged to a Kurdish tribe whose ancestors settled in the town of Dvin, in northern Armenia. He belonged to the tribe of Rawadiya, itself a branch of the Hadhabani tribe. The Rawadiya were the dominant Kurdish group in the Dvin district. They were a member of the sedentary political-military elite of the town.
Circumstances became unfavorable in Dvin when Turkish generals seized the town from its Kurdish prince. Shadhi left for Iraq with his two sons Najm al-Din Ayyub and Asad al-Din Shirkuh. He was welcomed by his friend Mujahed al-Din Bihruz—the military governor of northern Mesopotamia under the Seljuks Turks — who appointed Shadhi as the governor of Tikrit.
The Hadhabani was a large medieval Kurdish tribe divided into several groups, centered at Arbil, Ushnu and Urmia in central and north-eastern Kurdistan. Their dominion included surrounding areas of Maragha and Urmia to the east, Salmas to the north and parts of Arbil and Mosul to the west.
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About 10th century they gradually immigrated northward to the areas around lake Urmia with Ushnu as their summer capital. They ruled the area for a while but later split to a few branches who spread across Azerbaijan (at the time Turks still had not invaded Azerbaijan), and Caucasus. Saladin the renowned Muslim ruler was descendant of one of Hadhabani branches.
Apparently the "REAL" unmixed Kurds, may have been descendants of of the Sumerians/Akkadians/Assyrians, or perhaps even the Colchians.
The Artaxiads is also a possibility.
The Artaxiads After the defeat of the Seleucid king Antiochus III, his two Armenian satraps, Artaxias (Artashes I) and Zariadres (Zareh), established themselves with Roman consent, as kings of Greater Armenia and Sophene respectively, thus becoming the creators of an independent Armenia. Artashes I (a Persian name) built his capital called Artashat, on the Aras River near modern Yerevan. The Greek geographer Strabo names the capital of Sophene as Carcathiocerta.
Tigranes II (The Great) An attempt to end the division of Armenia was made at about 165 B.C, when an Artaxiad ruler sought to suppress his rival, the attempt failed however, and it was left to his descendant Tigranes II (95 B.C.) to establish, by his conquest of Sophene, a unity that was to last almost 500 years.
Under Tigranes, Armenia ascended to a pinnacle of power unique in its history and became, albeit briefly, the strongest state in the Roman east. Extensive territories were taken from the kingdom of Parthia in Iran, which was compelled to sign a treaty of alliance. Iberia (Georgia), Albania, and Atropatene had already accepted Tigranes' suzerainty when the Aramaeans, tired of anarchy, offered him their crown (83 B.C.). And with that, Tigranes penetrated as far south as Canaan.
Armenian culture at the time of Tigranes was Persian, as it had been, and as it was fundamentally to remain for many centuries. The Armenian empire lasted until Tigranes became involved in a struggle between his father-in-law, Mithradates VI of Pontus and Rome.
The Roman general Lucius captured Tigranocerta, Tigranes' new capital in 69 B.C, but He failed to reach Artashat. But in 66 B.C, the legions of Pompey, aided by one of Tigranes' sons, succeeded in reaching Artashat. Tigrane was compelled to give up Syria and other conquests in the south, and to become an ally of Rome. Armenia thus became a buffer state, and often a battlefield between Rome and Parthia. Maneuvering between these two larger neighbors, the Armenians gained a reputation for deviousness. The Roman historian Tacitus called them an ambigua gens (“ambiguous people”).
I looked at that painting several times in the past and never noticed those details.
Even this one. See the child and the dress of the black woman behind the child. She looks like nobility?
These details are right in front our faces but we believe the lies without questioning the authors.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Leave me out of your ignorance. I don't hate white people. That is simply not true. There are good hard working honest white people out there. Trying to take care of their famlies just as black or any other colored people.
What I dislike is the lies told by the media. Which is essentially owned by Euros.
White people have played an important part in my career. So......
Quote: Typical of you & the rest of your Kill Whitey, White people hating, White people genocidist, Black racist ilk (Narmer, Ironcocksucker, Typezeiss, Mena7, Mali, Xyyman, Nontruthhitman, etc). Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: I looked at that painting several times in the past and never noticed those details.
Even this one. See the child and the dress of the black woman behind the child. She looks like nobility?
These details are right in front our faces but we believe the lies without questioning the authors.
Not sure if I understand your point xyyman:
The "Great Bath" depicted a communal bath which acted as a bath, a meeting place, and no doubt, a whore house too. Unlike a harem which was exclusively for the lord.
There are no Black women bathers in the picture, so this is obviously more a whorehouse for Turkish women.
The Black guy in the center has already chosen a woman and the one in red pants in the rear is just chatting up the girls.
The Black woman with the child is obviously a servant.
The woman sitting in the middle is sucking on a "Hash Pipe" the favorite paraphernalia of Harem Women and Whores.
Ordinarily there would be more men in the picture, but the painter decided he preferred more women.
Oriental harem paintings were moderately erotic but not too sexually explicit. They combined two traditions – Oriental (plane treatment of images; “carnal” colors; motley Eastern ornaments of clothes and draperies) and Western European (absence of “shocking” images; static character of subjects). Jean Leon Gerome (1824-1904) traveled extensively throughout Egypt, Turkey, Syria and Palestine and used those experiences to produce realistic pictures of the East. Fréderic Masson records an entertaining account by Gérôme (probably in a letter) of his experience:
During a stay in Bursa, I was taken by the architecture of the baths, and they certainly offered a chance to study nudes. It wasn’t just a question of going to see what was going on inside, and of replacing [some men by some women], I had to have a sketch of this interior; and since the temperature inside was rather high, I didn’t hesitate to sketch in the simple apparel of a beauty just aroused from her sleep—that is, in the buff. Sitting on my tripod, my paint box on my knees, my palette in my hand, I was a little grotesque, but you have to know how to adapt yourself as necessary. I had the idea of painting my portrait in this costume, but I dropped it, fearing that my image (dal vero) might get me too much attraction and launch me in a career as a Don Juan.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: What I dislike is the lies told by the media. Which is essentially owned by Euros.
White people have played an important part in my career. So......
Oh, so you mean that after they murdered your kind, and stole the world from you, they "Allowed" you to get a crumb?
Well, how truly great and magnanimous they must be.
Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
Great Job Mike, I looked at that picture one hundred time during the last ten years in world history books, Islam history books, and children illustrated history books and believed the White authors of those books saying the portrait of Yemen slave market by Al Wasiti was about the selling of black African slaves.
Mike you discover the subtle lie of pale people and reinterpreted that picture very well.The picture is about pale Arab or Turkish slave merchants selling a pale Turkish slave girl to seated black Sabean/Yemenite/Arab noblemen.One of the Sabean/Arab buyer have a halo behind his head showing he is a holy man not a slave.The Sabean/Arab look, dress and hair look like the Ethiopian/Abyssinian of Africa.
It look like some light skin Berber and Arab people were ruled by black Sultan/King like the pale European were rule by a black nobility.In a drawing of 15 cent conception of Africa with white people held as slaves by Dapper s Naukenrige Beschryvinge der Afrikaensche you can see a black King seated on a camel with his cloak, scepter and Phrygian/bag hat.He is commanding pale berber or Arab/Turk holding European slaves.
In the movie Shaka Zulu the light skin Berber people Shaka Zulu was fighting had a black King with a crown with horn.I think some of the light skin Berber kingdoms(also black Berber/Moors)and Turkish/Mameluke kingdoms of North Africa were secretly ruled by black kings.
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
It's the dialogue of the dumb up in here.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: I looked at that painting several times in the past and never noticed those details.
Even this one. See the child and the dress of the black woman behind the child. She looks like nobility?
These details are right in front our faces but we believe the lies without questioning the authors.
^^^ all paintings by the same painter Jean Germoe
It's an Ottoman Turkish bathhouse. The black women are slave servants of the white harem girls who are also slaves. Their job is to wash them
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^^^ Also by Gerome the title the "Guard of the Harem"
This man's boring security job is to stand all day long in front of that door. he was castarted so he won't get any ideas about the girls. Look up >eunuch harem Turkish
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Rudolph Ernst, Harem Guard
Mike's alternative theory: all the above black people are nobles
carry on
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
^ LOL Hate to admit that was funny. Jesus Mike, you really are a dumbass. No wonder Lioness likes you so much.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by mena7: Great Job Mike, I looked at that picture one hundred time during the last ten years in world history books, Islam history books, and children illustrated history books and believed the White authors of those books saying the portrait of Yemen slave market by Al Wasiti was about the selling of black African slaves.
Mike you discover the subtle lie of pale people and reinterpreted that picture very well.The picture is about pale Arab or Turkish slave merchants selling a pale Turkish slave girl to seated black Sabean/Yemenite/Arab noblemen.One of the Sabean/Arab buyer have a halo behind his head showing he is a holy man not a slave.The Sabean/Arab look, dress and hair look like the Ethiopian/Abyssinian of Africa.
It look like some light skin Berber and Arab people were ruled by black Sultan/King like the pale European were rule by a black nobility.In a drawing of 15 cent conception of Africa with white people held as slaves by Dapper s Naukenrige Beschryvinge der Afrikaensche you can see a black King seated on a camel with his cloak, scepter and Phrygian/bag hat.He is commanding pale berber or Arab/Turk holding European slaves.
In the movie Shaka Zulu the light skin Berber people Shaka Zulu was fighting had a black King with a crown with horn.I think some of the light skin Berber kingdoms(also black Berber/Moors)and Turkish/Mameluke kingdoms of North Africa were secretly ruled by black kings.
mena7, Your world concept still seems a bit strained and confused. Zulus and Berbers are separated by thousands of miles.
But at least you are starting to realize that the Albinos have conditioned you to think in a certain way. Work with that, critically evaluate everything they tell you, whether directly or indirectly.
Also use common sense, those so-called Arab manuscripts show almost exclusively Albino people, but the reality is that the people in those places would have been overwhelmingly Black people. Obviously then they are not what you were told, they in fact may be completely bogus.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: ...It's an Ottoman Turkish bathhouse. The black women are slave servants of the white harem girls who are also slaves. Their job is to wash them
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Leona
Since when did slaves start owing slaves?
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: ^ LOL Hate to admit that was funny. Jesus Mike, you really are a dumbass. No wonder Lioness likes you so much.
Damn, Albinos sure are stupid!
That's what happens when you see what you wish for, instead of what's actually really there.
Doxie, you want some of that, don't you.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB]
Slave market, from Muslim manuscript of 13th c.. Published on L'Illustration, Journal Universel, Paris, 1860, drawing of Parent from collection of M. Schefer, professor at school of oriental languages
Encyclopaedia Aethiopica: He-N
edited by Siegbert Uhlig
Yemen's medieval history is a tangled chronicle of contesting local Imams. The Fatimids of Egypt helped the Isma'ilis maintain dominance in the 11th century through the Sulayhid dynasty founded and brought to peak by Ali al-Sulayhi between 1047-1063. Turan-Shah annexed Yemen to the Ayyubid Empire of Saladin in 1173. The Rasulid dynasty ruled Yemen, with Zabid as its capital, from about 1230 to the 15th century. In 1516, the Mamluks of Egypt annexed Yemen; but in the following year, the Mamluk governor surrendered to the Ottomans, and Turkish armies subsequently overran the country. They were challenged by the Zaidi Imam, Qasim the Great (r.1597–1620), and were expelled from the interior around 1630. From then until the 19th century, the Ottomans retained control only of isolated coastal areas, while the highlands generally were ruled by the Zaidi Imams.
Besides being the capital of Yemen from the 13th to the 15th century, the city of Zabid played an important role in the Arab and Muslim world for many centuries because of its Islamic university.
The Ayyūbids of Egypt, when they invaded Yemen in 1173, found it parceled out among several dynasties. Ayyūbid objectives were probably part political, to find themselves a haven and destroy the Ismāʿīlites, and part economic, to control the India trade route. They remained in power until about 1229
From 1216 until 1429, Rasulid rulers encouraged learning and built schools for teaching the Koran and the sciences (madrasas ), along with the necessary hostels for students, all over the region: of the 62 madrasas recorded in Zabid, 22 still survive.
The Rasulids were a Muslim dynasty that ruled Yemen and Hadhramaut from 1229 to 1454. The Rasulids assumed power after the Egyptian Ayyubids left the southern provinces of the Arabian Peninsula.
The Rasulids descended from the eponymous Rasul (his real name is Muhammad ibn Harun), a Turkmen Oghuz chief. Later, they assumed an Arab lineage, claiming descent from an ancient Arabian tribe. Rasul came to Yemen around 1180 while serving as a messenger for an Abbasid caliph. His son Ali was governor of Mecca for a time, and his grandson Umar bin Ali was the first sultan of the Rasulid dynasty.
Zabid lost its political and economic importance under the Tahirid dynasty (1454-1538), but retained its role as a university. With the establishment of Ottoman rule, Zabid was completely neglected in favour of the capital city, Sana'a. Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
The European Orientalist painters provide Mike's masturbation supplies
Now what was the context of a painting like this. Who was running the show?
Moors were rewarded for helping the Ottomans to acquire kidnapped Europeans on the barbary coast.
Towards the latter part of the Ottoman Empire during the 19th century with the decline of its European territories the Ottomans began to import slaves from the sub Sahara via Egypt. Black slaves became a common sight amongst the Ottoman elite where they worked mostly in the households of rich Ottomans as servants or maids. When slavery was abolished in Turkey by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk some of these black former slaves moved from Istanbul to the city of İzmir and the surrounding villages
^^^ Afroturk
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: ...It's an Ottoman Turkish bathhouse. The black women are slave servants of the white harem girls who are also slaves. Their job is to wash them
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Since when did slaves start owing slaves?
they are not owned by the white women but they serve them by washing them. They were both slaves of the Ottoman Turks
Of course I could be wrong, the black woman here does sort of look like a noble possibly a black queen according to xyyman and Mike.
Now maybe you can redirect this thread to Roman Egypt as opposed to sexy paintings made by albinos
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: ...It's an Ottoman Turkish bathhouse. The black women are slave servants of the white harem girls who are also slaves. Their job is to wash them
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Leona
Since when did slaves start owing slaves?
You're such a dumbass.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Mike. I will provide more details later. But the black woman is NOT holding the child. Look at the feet.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: I looked at that painting several times in the past and never noticed those details.
Even this one. See the child and the dress of the black woman behind the child. She looks like nobility?
These details are right in front our faces but we believe the lies without questioning the authors.
Not sure if I understand your point xyyman:
The "Great Bath" depicted a communal bath which acted as a bath, a meeting place, and no doubt, a whore house too. Unlike a harem which was exclusively for the lord.
There are no Black women bathers in the picture, so this is obviously more a whorehouse for Turkish women.
The Black guy in the center has already chosen a woman and the one in red pants in the rear is just chatting up the girls.
The Black woman with the child is obviously a servant.
The woman sitting in the middle is sucking on a "Hash Pipe" the favorite paraphernalia of Harem Women and Whores.
Ordinarily there would be more men in the picture, but the painter decided he preferred more women.
What did you "Think" you were seeing?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
What did you "Think" you were seeing? [/qb]
xyyman IQ, 144
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: You're such a dumbass.
anguishofbeingstupid - You are a disgrace to Albinos everywhere! Look at all the fine lies that Lioness and other Albinos come up with.
He,he,he: Like Black slave soldiers, you know, like the Turk Mamlukes. When there is no history of Blacks ever having such a thing.
And there pathetic you are with this lame-assed sh1t "You're such a dumbass". That's really sad man, it's best that you keep quiet rather than embarrassing yourself further.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Abdulhamid II, His Imperial Majesty, The Sultan Abdülhamid II, Emperor of the Ottomans, Caliph of the Faithful, Abd Al-Hamid II Khan Ghazi, The Great Hakan, (by his opponents) The Crimson Sultan (Ottoman Turkish: عبد الحميد ثانی `Abdü’l-Ḥamīd-i sânî, Turkish: İkinci Abdülhamit) (22 September 1842 – 10 February 1918) was the 99th caliph of Islam and the 34th sultan of the Ottoman Empire. He was the last Sultan to exert effective control over the Ottoman Empire.[1] He oversaw a period of decline in the power and extent of the Empire, ruling from 31 August 1876 until he was deposed on 27 April 1909. He was succeeded by Mehmed V. His deposition following the Young Turk Revolution was hailed by most Ottoman citizens, who welcomed the return to constitutional rule.
Starting around 1890 the Armenians began demanding the implementation of the reforms which were promised to them at the Berlin conference.[13] Unrest occurred in 1892 and 1893 at Merzifon and Tokat. Armenian groups staged protests and were met by violence. Sultan Abdülhamid did not hesitate to put down these revolts with harsh methods, possibly to show the unshakable power of the monarch, and often used the local Muslims (in most cases the Kurds) against the Armenians.[14] According to Turkish scholar Taner Akçam, Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany claimed that eighty thousand Armenians had been killed, and French reports claimed that two hundred thousand had been killed.[15] In 1907, the Armenian Revolutionary Federation attempted to assassinate him with a car bombing during a public appearance, but the Sultan delayed for a minute and the bomb went off early, killing 26, wounding 58 (of which four died at hospital) and demolishing 17 cars in the process. Surviving the assassination, he pardoned the assassin. The ex-sultan was conveyed into dignified captivity at Salonica. In 1912, when Salonica fell to Greece, he was returned to captivity in Istanbul. He spent his last days studying, carpentering and writing his memoirs in custody at Beylerbeyi Palace in the Bosphorus, where he died on 10 February 1918, just a few months before his brother, the Sultan. He was buried in Istanbul. Abdülhamid was the last relatively authoritative Sultan of the Ottoman Empire. He presided over thirty three years of decline. The Ottoman Empire had long been acknowledged as the Sick Man of Europe by its enemies, the British, French and most European countries excluding Germany, Bulgaria and Austria-Hungary.
Abdul Hamid II attempted to correspond with the Chinese Muslim troops in service of the Qing imperial army serving under General Dong Fuxiang; they were also known as the Kansu Braves.
Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany also requested the Sultan's help when having trouble with Muslims. During the Boxer Rebellion, the Chinese Muslim Kansu Braves fought against the German Army repeatedly, routing them along with the other 8 nation alliance forces at the First intervention, Seymour Expedition, China 1900. It was only on the second attempt in the Gasalee Expedition did the Alliance manage to get through to battle the Chinese Muslim troops at the Battle of Peking. Kaiser Wilhelm was so alarmed by the Chinese Muslim troops that he requested the Caliph Abdul Hamid II of the Ottoman Empire to find a way to stop the Muslim troops from fighting. Abdul Hamid II agreed to the Kaiser's demands and sent Enver Pasha to China in 1901, but the rebellion was over by that time
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Got jokes? Nevertheless. I am new to this but there is someone between the black woman and the other. That person is holding the child. My question is really, what is a child doing in a "whorehouse"?. As for the other painting you are wrong. The. Two blackmen are bidding on the woman....clearly. And. As I said. I question everything written by white people. What is the translation?
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
New to what? You've been here since 2007.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Got jokes? Nevertheless. I am new to this but there is someone between the black woman and the other. That person is holding the child. My question is really, what is a child doing in a "whorehouse"?. As for the other painting you are wrong. The. Two blackmen are bidding on the woman....clearly. And. As I said. I question everything written by white people. What is the translation?
don't get your info from Mike. Where do you think gets it? White people books and paintings
and you will find out a lot more than white historian derived bits Mike reshapes with his own jungle fever fantasies and feeds to you. Example, he calls it a whorehouse but presented to evidence to that effect. It is simply a bath scene idiots And it's an orienatlist painting. Look up orientalist painting, the intent of these European painters and how they looked at the Muslim world, It is coming from a certain perspective
I already posted info about Zabid in Yemen
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If you read below Gerome replaced some men with women.
I will have to do further research on this painting. Is there a male even in the painting? And if there is that means he's buying women? based on what? made up bullsyht? It's the fvcking Turkish empire
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http://www.orientalisma.com/articles/Article_Gerome_Grand_bath.html Ten years after his first trip to Turkey in 1875, Gérôme produced the most celebrated and impressive of his bath scene paintings, La Grande piscine à Brusa. Exhibited in the Paris Salon of 1885, Fanny Field Hering recalled in her 1892 monograph on Gérôme that the picture ‘aroused the most enthusiastic admiration’ and declared that it was ‘probably the most remarkable of his pictures in this genre’ (Hering, p. 247). This splendid evocation of ladies lounging around an octagonal hot pool in a Turkish bath is set under the great dome of the caldarium in Yeni Kaplica, Bursa’s ‘New Baths’ built in 1552 from designs possibly by the Master Builder Sinan (see also lots 140 and 144 for other constructions by Sinan). Bursa had been the ancient capital of the Ottoman Empire before the conquest of Constantinople in 1453. By the time the present work was executed in 1885 Gérôme had moved away from heroic history painting towards archeological accuracy and objective realism. That is not to say that he adhered to Courbet’s transitory school of Realism - the poses and finish of Gérôme’s nudes remain grounded in academic idealism - but rather that he paid greater attention to the ensemble; he studied the relation of the figures to their costumes, to the floors and to the walls and accessories around them. The room is in a real building depicted as it looked during Gérôme’s lifetime, and the activities of the women are as close to everyday life as Gérôme could imagine. The nudes are carefully studied, well placed, delightfully posed and painted and, in Gerald Ackerman's opinion, 'the standing nude in the foreground is a singular accomplishment among Gérôme’s many fine nudes'; the ensemble is subtle in line, shape and colour. Gérôme's inspiration for this monumental composition was almost certainly sparked by his 1879 visit to Bursa. During this sojourn he not only sketched some of the older monuments of the town including the Green Mausoleum of Mehemet I but documented the interior of the New Baths in an oil sketch that has since been lost. Fréderic Masson records an entertaining account by Gérôme (probably in a letter) of this experience: During a stay in Bursa, I was taken by the architecture of the baths, and they certainly offered a chance to study nudes. It wasn’t just a question of going to see what was going on inside, and of replacing [some men by some women], I had to have a sketch of this interior; and since the temperature inside was rather high, I didn’t hesitate to sketch in the simple apparel of a beauty just aroused from her sleep—that is, in the buff. Sitting on my tripod, my paint box on my knees, my palette in my hand, I was a little grotesque, but you have to know how to adapt yourself as necessary. I had the idea of painting my portrait in this costume, but I dropped it, fearing that my image (dal vero) might get me too much attraction and launch me in a career as a Don Juan. (Masson, p. 30)
The subject of La Grande piscine was not uncommon in 19th Century painting; Delacroix, Ingres and Chassériau (see lot 108) had already received critical acclaim for their various nudes set in Turkish interiors. Ingres’ famous rendering of this subject in 1862 is an exotic fantasy of voluptuous flesh and writhing bodies. In contrast with this and even Gérôme’s other bath scenes, the composition of La Grande piscine seems devoid of lasciviousness or even the mildest evocation of eroticism: the nudes are not shown as examples of primitive sensuality as is the tradition in depicting bath scenes; they do not writhe and pose in erotic deprivation or anticipation; they are simply engaged in the social activity of spending the day at the bath. They stand and move around or settle down in casual, unself-conscious poses, like people relaxing at a bath. Of the some twenty women depicted, only one, seated on the basket chair to the right, has a bit of self-conscious coyness about her pose. It seems likely that Gérôme, working in the bath on Men’s Day, naturally, observed the casual society of the male bathers around him in the warm, steamy space. Their relaxed deportment gave him a clue as to the behaviour of the women on their day. The women stand and converse, walk about, smoke a hookah, or gather in gregarious gatherings on the niche benches; or sit on the edge of the pool with their feet dangling in the water. Two have hopped or walked into the hot water, and stay cautiously half-emerged. The composition centres on the standing couple to the right, with the dazzling contrast of a black arm crossing a white back as a personal slave puts her arm around her unsteady mistress both in support and affection, while the pair, standing on their ornate pattens to prevent them from slipping, stops their circumnavigation of the pool. The self-composure and haughty glance of the standing white nude over her shoulder seems to attract the interest of the bathers in the pool, drawing the viewer into the intimate circle of gazes. The circular movement around the pool, directed by the turned heads unites the composition around a central event, as in a formal history painting. The contrast of the light and dark skin is dazzling, as well as being an acutely transmitted tactile experience. Although Lynne Thornton argues that this contrast was a social and historical statement and that it would not have shocked the public as it did in the contemporary European context of Manet’s Olympia (Thornton, p. 76), Ruth Bernard Yeazell claims of Gérôme’s work that ‘while the half-nudity of the black figure duly contributes to the viewer’s seduction, there is no question that she is designed, in every sense of the word, to serve her fairer companion’ (Harems of the Mind, New Haven, 2000, p. 105). The African’s black arm draped around the pearly-white Circassian’s waist heightens the appeal of the model’s sensuously-poised rear. The London Athenæum recognized the masterful quality of the main protagonist, reporting ‘this young bather is one of the best figures M. Gérôme has ever painted, so clear, firm, elastic, and rosy. It is exquisitely drawn and modeled with the utmost choiceness, refinement, and research.’ Indeed she is expertly drawn, caught in the contrapposto evoked by the imbalance of her uneasy stance and her skeletal and muscular adjustment to the support of the slave’s shoulder: all this unconscious physical activity is dominated by her glance over to the woman in the pool. The action caught is as subtle as it is masterful. This nude is rivaled in beauty if not in complexity only by the nude seen from the rear in the Vente d'esclaves à Rome of 1886 (Walters Art Museum, Baltimore). Instead of portraying his models in erotic poses, Gérôme observes the movement of muscle and flesh as the body turns, and records the manner in which light falls on the skin. The structure of bones, the mechanism of the musculature, and the flexibility of the skin were wonders, beauties of nature to be observed, studied and reported. Gérôme’s skill in portraying the human body encouraged him (and his friend Degas) to sometimes place their models in awkward positions to reveal, in full splendour, the anatomy of the human body. Gerald Ackerman has suggested that the wonderful nude figure in La Grande piscine is a criticism and correction of the awkward standing slave in Delacroix’s Femmes d'Alger of 1834 in the Louvre. This seems likely considering that Gérôme once corrected Manet’s foreshortening of a horse in one of his own paintings. Gérôme’s nudes of the eighties benefited from the intense study of the nude he had taken up as he started to sculpt in the late 1870s. This foreground pair is, of course, carefully and precisely painted based on studio drawings, but every other prominent nude in the picture seems the result of study and sketches; particularly those in the water and around the pool. Although Gérôme sketched the interior of the baths in detail while in Bursa, his studies of the female nudes along with the finished painting would have been executed back in his Paris studio. Gérôme knew a good model when he had one, and he unabashedly and joyfully puts her in everywhere, in the water, on the floor, and in the recesses of the building. The space is large and full of steam caught by rays of light coming through the small glazed windows high above. The water is brightly glaucous despite the foggy vapour in the air, illuminated by streaks of light from small windows up high. On top of all these achievements - great perspective, the exact placement in space of each figure, nudes in a variety of poses and activities - the composition is held together by Gérôme’s organisation of the figures and the event, and his rigorously controlled but subtle colour. The sophistication of the composition is helped by a clever device: the placement of the standing couple off centre to the right, while the centre is held down by one of the great stone piles supporting the dome (forming a compositional vertical reinforced by a hookah and the back of the foreground woman in the pool). Throughout the composition, Gérôme’s immense skill as a painter and draughtsman is backed up by his equally sharp intelligence. Hering recalls her first glimpse of La Grande Piscine à Brusa at the Salon exhibition: We well remember strolling through the Palais de l’Industrie, on a gloomy, rainy morning, that reminded one of London, and suddenly exclaiming, The weather must be clearing!’ But the sound of the steady downpour soon undeceived us and we found that the warm light shone out from a large canvas on the opposite side of the room. It seemed to fill the whole gallery with its sunny rays, so wonderful was the refraction from the great pool of water and the rising vapour. (Hering, p. 247) In his analysis of La Grande Piscine à Brusa Ackerman remarks: 'none of the other bath scenes by Gérôme seem to be based on such objective thought and observation; the baths in most of them are—as was proper for the genre—usually hot houses of licentious longing and fantasy but not of activity, for they are male bereft. In fact, when Tsar Alexander III bought this picture from Gérôme, he already owned another bath scene that was in the traditional bath scene genre - that is, deliberately lascivious, Femmes au bain. He bought the painting after the Paris Salon of 1876.' Extolling the outstanding merits of the present work, Ackerman continues: 'although Gérôme’s Oriental bathing scenes are among the most popular and famous of his subjects, they actually number together fewer than thirty paintings—that is, less than half of one percent of his oeuvre. Of all these often splendid bathing scenes, La Grande Piscine à Brusa is the largest, the best composed, the most intelligently arranged, the most interesting, or, in sum, the most wonderful.'
Posted by DHDoxies (Member # 19701) on :
No Mike I don't.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
You know Doxie, somehow it seems to me that you would really enjoy life in the Harem. Plus Black guys never get tired.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: You know Doxie, somehow it seems to me that you would really enjoy life in the Harem. Plus Black guys never get tired.
when you say Black guys do you mean the Turkish Sultans who owned the harem? or their Moorish collborators? Mike, you would have had a ball working for the Turks. get yourself a white ho for a few hours, maybe you can get it out of your system
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: when you say Black guys do you mean the Turkish Sultans who owned the harem? or their Moorish collaborators? Mike, you would have had a ball working for the Turks. get yourself a white ho for a few hours, maybe you can get it out of your system
Lioness, the pressure to find new lies is getting to you. Moors relate to the Berbers of North Africa. The Turks usually dealt with Arabs and other Blacks of Egypt and west Asia.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: when you say Black guys do you mean the Turkish Sultans who owned the harem? or their Moorish collaborators? Mike, you would have had a ball working for the Turks. get yourself a white ho for a few hours, maybe you can get it out of your system
Lioness, the pressure to find new lies is getting to you. Moors relate to the Berbers of North Africa. The Turks usually dealt with Arabs and other Blacks of Egypt and west Asia.
15c Writers such as Duarte Barbosa called people from as far as Sofala in Mozambique "Moors" including Moors who were black others tawny
I prefer it to mean only people who came from the Mahgreb, but "Moor" is not a term people called that applied to themsleves, it is a loose term up for grabs
But it doesn't matter blacks you point out in these paintings are Muslim convert employees of the Turks and in other cases slaves.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: The Black guy in the center has already chosen a woman and the one in red pants i
LIE, complete fabrication, the idea that a transaction is even going on
saying the women are whores, complete fabrication
furthermore all blacks in this picture may be women
the situation is obvious, the black person, probably a woman, is holding the white child you can see the dark fingers coming around from the back on the child's torso
alternative view:
the black person is nobleman who is buying the services of the white woman in order to produce a child of reduced melanin. A baby is practising levitation in between them. What appear to be fingers are actually sausages glued onto the baby so he can eat them later. The sausages are lamb sausages rather than pork so that halal rules are followed
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: LIE, complete fabrication, the idea that a transaction is even going on
saying the women are whores, complete fabrication
furthermore all blacks in this picture may be women
Lioness - Damn your stupid!
Which part of "TURKISH HOUSEWIVES DID NOT SMOKE HASHISH" don't you understand?
Only "Fallen" women would do it publicly - stupid!
Is it that you don't know what Hash is????
Hashish, often known as "hash", is a cannabis product composed of compressed or purified preparations of stalked resin glands, called trichomes, collected from the unfertilized buds of the cannabis plant. It contains the same active ingredients—such as THC and other cannabinoids—but in higher concentrations than unsifted buds or leaves.
It is consumed by being heated in a pipe, hookah, bong, bubbler, vaporizer, hot knife, smoked in joints, mixed with cannabis buds or tobacco (the latter being more common in Europe and Africa), or cooked in foods.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: I looked at that painting several times in the past and never noticed those details.
Even this one. See the child and the dress of the black woman behind the child. She looks like nobility?
These details are right in front our faces but we believe the lies without questioning the authors.
Not sure if I understand your point xyyman:
The "Great Bath" depicted a communal bath which acted as a bath, a meeting place, and no doubt, a whore house too. Unlike a harem which was exclusively for the lord.
There are no Black women bathers in the picture, so this is obviously more a whorehouse for Turkish women.
The Black guy in the center has already chosen a woman and the one in red pants in the rear is just chatting up the girls.
The Black woman with the child is obviously a servant.
The woman sitting in the middle is sucking on a "Hash Pipe" the favorite paraphernalia of Harem Women and Whores.
Ordinarily there would be more men in the picture, but the painter decided he preferred more women.
What did you "Think" you were seeing?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Mike you assume that Orientalist painting for sale in the Paris Salons to decorate walls is accurate history and you switch to a different painting and assume that there really were women ther smoking hookahs and that they were therfore whores and one of the black women attending them is a man who purchased one, complete fabrication, a jungle fever fanatsy you keep having. Gerome already he said he changed soem things. Look up the background on the pipesmokers. Germoe makes soem remarks about his paintings. They were whores? Does it matter all the Black people in the scene were their back washers and child care attendant, no pimps
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Black women made a living wherever they could;
If that meant washing an Albino whore, so be it.
If that meant bringing an Albino whore her Hash Pipe, so be it
If that meant selling an Albino whore, so be it.
And when she owned the Albinos outright: she treated them well.
. She must have been very rich to ruin an expensive carpet in the water, just so her Black ass could recline in comfort and style.
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All hail the Black woman! Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
OK. Much better pic. I can man-up....
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [QUOTE]
the situation is obvious, the black person, probably a woman, is holding the white child you can see the dark fingers coming around from the back on the child's torso
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
The presence of the child leads one to believe it is a bath-house and not a whore-house.
Correction?
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Use your imagination xyyman, and keep at it, you're doing fine.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
For years I have been trying to find the words to describe the look she gives to Bredt. The best I could come up with is "Haughty". Suggestions welcome.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
While researching African presence in the Levant I came across a DNA study where the result shows African DNA in Kurdistan. SO yes, it seems there are black Kurds.
Was also suprise to find the large presence of African DNA in South Turkey and the South Caucas.
Makes one wonder what is it with the race loons and Caucasians since they are probably admixed.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Okay,okay, I see two "Real" Kurds still left. As usual, the rest are Turk Mulattoes.
Is it my imagination, or does the guy in the front look like Shaquille O'neal?
^Last I heard, all DNA was African DNA, after all, Albinism only effects the "P" gene. Mind telling me how their particular DNA is a unique African DNA?
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
I do things backwards, I am wired like that. What Europeans write about in books history is my last source.
I first anlayze the data (or painting), look at geographic location, then timeline, who painted or produced the data and lastly the writeup/conclusion.
This clearly shows two black men purchasing a woman. The seller is the "arab". The two black men are checking her out.
Wait, I thought, paintings and the like was your thing. Maybe Dana is right you just copy and paste with no in-depth knowledge of the pictures you spam.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Got jokes? Nevertheless. I am new to this but there is someone between the black woman and the other. That person is holding the child. My question is really, what is a child doing in a "whorehouse"?. As for the other painting you are wrong. The. Two blackmen are bidding on the woman....clearly. And. As I said. I question everything written by white people. What is the translation?
don't get your info from Mike. Where do you think gets it? White people books and paintings
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: The presence of the child leads one to believe it is a bath-house and not a whore-house.
Correction?
The idea that it is a whorehouse Mike made up.
What he does is put up a lot of legit historical info. Then you go "damn he's done a lot of research"
Then when he sprinkles in lies you are then more likely to buy it
^^^ here we have a painting called 'An Oriental noblewoman and her Entourage on a Barge' by F.M. Bredt.
"Orientals" is what the Euros called some people from the Mid East back then along with East Asians, hense the painting style "Orientalism" we see an example here, Euro interpretations of "exotic" Islamic culture
There's a light skinned woman in the front. In the middle two African women. Wait that's one too many.
Mike's website version:
So when Mike posts this painting in his "True Negro" section (see pic's html) - he cuts the picture now ther's only one African woman, and wala, since there's only one African woman she has transformed into an "Oriental noblewoman" leaving out "and her entourage" because it's only two adults and a kid in Mike's verison, not much of an entourage. And in the switch we are also supposed to believe the slave brought her child with her.
^^^ But maybe we never saw the original, so we don't know it's cut So if you buy your dope from Mike it's gonna be cut.
^^^^ xyyman look at this, Barbados, at the time the site of large British run sugar plantations. Who was King at the time who sponsored this? KIng James III
Mike's website says he's this black guy on the coin even though his name is not on the coin. Instead it says "I serve" at the bottom Mike found a version of the coin were that is cut in half due to a poor stamping job. Another cut off technique.
Who would believe that this is King George and all the other paintings of him are fake. Gullible black folk who think his site looks authentic.
This is an example of a black person lying to you.
What are Mike's information sources? White owned museums and white authored books. Waht if you wnat to go to the sources and see for yourself, you won't find them listed on Mike's site. If you use his sources they change into albino lies so only he can translate them for you
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Lioness, it sure took you a long time to come up with that nonsense, you're slipping.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman:
[I do things backwards, I am wired like that. What Europeans write about in books history is my last source.
I first anlayze the data (or painting), look at geographic location, then timeline, who painted or produced the data and lastly the writeup/conclusion.
This clearly shows two black men purchasing a woman The seller is the "arab". The two black men are checking her out.
why do you state that something is clear when it is not clear? If the black men were doing the purchasing the bearded man standing at right would not be involded motioning with his hands. You say you look at look at geographic location, then timeline, who painted or produced yet you produced no information at all to that effect. You are merely bluffing You didn't even read the Arabic. I thought you had a 144 IQ. So why do you jump to conclusions and pretend you did research? That is doing things backwards, accepting something as proven based soley on you intuition before looking at evidence
YOU ARE JUST GUESSING
Obviously the people that are communicating are the ones standing up making eye contact.
If you can't see that involves the man standing at right you are blind.
Do you not see that the adult in posseion of the child is looking UP at him?
The people running this slave market are the men with beards.
And I have also discovered by research since, not guessing , that the kid is possibly being sold, a story possibly of a man who sold his own daughter. So you may be partially right. The people running the show are the men with beards. They are weighing the scales to trade some precious material passing hands for payment or receipt on a sale. What does the picture show you? Muslims in Yemen in the 13c who were light skinned. Did you do any rudimentary research on Zabid in Yemen? The child here is a Muslim probably someone of near East background. If you want to go by Mike's teachings every black person was a noble. If you want to go by Arab history you will find Yemenis were bringing in shiploads of Ethiopian slaves into Yemen since a few hundred years prior
lioness productions team recent rough translation:
"And I thought that he'll look askance at me and raise the price on me but he didn't He said ' when the his price for a slave is low and his provision is light, then his lord will be blessed by him' And I keep trying to make you love this kid by lowering his price, so weigh 200 Dirhams if you wish and thank me as long as you live, so I gave him the money right away as a cheap thing given away for the precious thing "
The child is being sold it appears. So who are the blacks? They are either Ethiopian slaves or they are freemen who are sitting down while buyer and seller standing up making eye contact are negotiating. If they are not slaves they may be commenting on the deal from the sitting down position.
Now watch an idiot interject screaming about "albinos"
I got your albinos. Right there in 13 c Yemen, with the turbans
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Lioness, it sure took you a long time to come up with that nonsense, you're slipping.
sorry I'm not faster in exposing your lies
It's easier to make a mess than to clean up after one
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Glad to see that you can admit when you are wrong. “You win some you lose some” That is what happens with an inexact science. The blacks are NOT slaves. They are the ones doing the purchasing. I read the narrative. Yes the small person is being sold. The black man makes an offer – two fingers. The merchant seems to make a conter-offer also “two fingers’. The Black men are looking over the “product”. The “cashier clerk” in the back-ground is “weighing” the payment. From the narrative it looks like the seller is lowering the value of the slave. The time-line equates to the migration of people from the Turkey through the Levant into South Arabia.
Quote: lioness productions team recent rough translation:
"And I thought that he'll look askance at me and raise the price on me but he didn't He said ' when the his price for a slave is low and his provision is light, then his lord will be blessed by him' And I keep trying to make you love this kid by lowering his price, so weigh 200 Dirhams if you wish and thank me as long as you live, so I gave him the money right away as a cheap thing given away for the precious thing
You are done with the Science and Math classes now onto Reading Comprehension. I will oblige
“And I thought that he'll look askance at me and raise the price on me”. The narrative is by the black man. The merchant wants to raise the price on him for the small person. “I keep trying to make you love this kid by lowering his price”. The merchant lower the price because his provisions is low. In other words. It look like he did not have enough provision to sell so as a last resort he sold this person ..apparently someone of the same ethnic group as him.
“so I gave him the money right away as a cheap thing given away”. The buyer was happy with the deal, he got a bargain.
“I got your albinos. Right there in 13 c Yemen, with the turbans” . Obviously the bearded men are not land owners or upper class since they are selling produce and their own kind. Most likely new migrants to the area.
See what one can do with an IQ of 144.
Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
Xyman Great Arabic translation of two blacks buying a white woman in a Yemen slave market.
Mike check the painting of Dan Antonio Manuele De Funta Ambassador of the king of Kongo by Rafaello Schiamossi.Maybe he was black European nobility.Also check out Henrique Dias a free black from the website Brazil the illustrated guide to the novel.He look like black nobility.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Quote by Lioness crew: “ The child is being sold it appears. So who are the blacks? They are either Ethiopian slaves or they are freemen who are sitting down while buyer and seller standing up making eye contact are negotiating. If they are not slaves they may be commenting on the deal from the sitting down position.
Your explanation is laughable. Like a bad Hollywood script Ha Ha! Ha! Ha!
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Notice I said “small person”. . I would hate to think it is a child of whatever ethnic background. That would be traumatizing.
quote:Originally posted by mena7: Xyman Great Arabic translation of two blacks buying a white woman in a Yemen slave market.
Mike check the painting of Dan Antonio Manuele De Funta Ambassador of the king of Kongo by Rafaello Schiamossi.Maybe he was black European nobility.Also check out Henrique Dias a free black from the website Brazil the illustrated guide to the novel.He look like black nobility.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
xyyman why I don't respect your opinion is that you express guesses as fact. When I speculate I tell you it's speculation. Although you know some scientifc information you don't have a scientific mind
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Obviously the bearded men are not land owners or upper class since they are selling produce and their own kind. Most likely new migrants to the area.
See what one can do with an IQ of 144. [/QB]
^^^ an example here of your dumb assumption , why you are unqualified to battle me.
There is no "produce" in the scene. You think that because there is a scale in the scene they are selling vegetables
The scale was used by Arab merchants to weigh silver or other precious metals. So much for the 144 IQ
you also say "Most likely new migrants to the area." based on nothing
Qatabanian funerary statuette of 'Amma'alay of the Dharah'il clan. Alabaster, 1st century BC, Hayd ibn Aqil
Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: why you are unqualified to battle me.
But Mike is? lol
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
@Lioness. GDP. You are really a simpleton, aren't you? It you don't get, we are done.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Infact. I should end the discussion right now, since you mis-understood produce. I only debate my equals all others I teach......
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Stop mis-directing! Damn!! You Caucasians (sic) people always trying their trickery and con. The issue isn’t really the name of the individuals but whether the portrait depicts blacks as slaves. I and like a few here initially accepted the perception that the blacks WERE the slaves. This is the first time I have looked at it closely, in fact, thanks to you. I know the truth now. Mike opened the door. I am not sure I agree with him as to who is whom. You are going to lose points on this one from the Euronuts, Lioness. You are the one who translated the Arabic in the painting. You should have played dumb. The translation from the Al H tales is secondary. Doesn’t matter who is Abu or Al H. Bottom-line Al H is trying to peddle a Turkish slave to the black Yemenis.
As I said 0 for 4. I were you and would quit before I get another beating. You are a masochist, aren’t you?
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