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0 Children of Israel, remember My favor which I bestowed on and how I preferred you over the Alamin[everyone in the Universe.]

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"To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."

"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

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Im well aware of the Contradictions in the Koran during the Medina period but it still doesnt change that Allah is a Zionist.

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The muslim were seating one the Egyptian ruine for a thousand years and didnt do any research on them.

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The Mosque of Abu Haggag










The Mosque of Abu el Hagag (Abu'l Haggag).
Built on, or rather, in the first court of Rameses II's temple at Luxor.






NOTE THE NONSENSE LIES THE ALBINOS TELL TO COVER THEIR MULATTOES.

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Although its positioning atop the pharaonic columns seems both precarious and invasive, the Mosque of Abu Haggag (or Abu l-Haggag) must be seen as more than just a coincidental intruder. First, when the mosque was built, large parts of the temple were covered with earth. Secondly, it is not uncommon for a religious kinship between ancient Egyptian cult places and the local version of popular Islam to be recreated. When the pharaonic temple was unearthed in the late 19th century, locals fiercely resisted any attempt to tear down the mosque. For them, the geographical position was important, and a new mosque also dedicated to Abu Haggag has never become very popular.

Abu Haggag was a Sufi shaykh, born in Baghdad, but he spent the latter half of his 90 years in Luxor. He died here in 1243, but it is believed that the minaret is older than he was, dating back to the 11th century. The mosque itself has been rebuilt many times, and completely in the 19th century. Abu Haggag is Luxor's main saint, and his mosque is the core of local religious activities. Locals believe that his mosque is a particularly important religious spot, full of baraka, divine blessing.

When Shaikh Abu El Haggag came to Luxor, Islam at the time was not the major religion in Egypt; Coptic Christianity was the leading religion at the time. The city was a colony owned by a religious Coptic lady. She used to be called The Princess. Her soldiers saw Sheikh Abu El Haggag there and was immediately recognized as a foreigner, therefore he was taken to the Princess for questioning as they feared that he is a spy from a different tribe/region. He complained to her about the treatment he received and expressed that he wishes to become a local citizen. The lady was generous and offered him to stay as long as he wishes. He asked her to give him a land as big as a camel’s skin to sleep on it, she thought that would be maximum of 2 square meters, so she agreed as she was a generous Lady, he asked her to sign a contract confirming the deal which she agreed to.

At night, he took a camel’s skin and he cut it into a very thin line at the front of some local witnesses, something similar to a very thin washing line, he used it to border a big part of Luxor Temple. In the morning, soldiers saw this line and reported it to the Princess, and then she realised that he owns this bordered part of the temple as per their written agreement. As much as she was feeling deceived by his plan, they met few times afterwards, she was impressed by his knowledge and then she converted to Islam.

At the time, there was a church in the place of the mosque. Shaikh Abu El Haggag agreed with the princess to convert the building to a mosque, which stands till today. In the upper ground foundation the old part of the church, which is clear that it is not a part of the temple, can still be seen.

Lots of people claimed that he became a monk and was given a power to practice miracles, such as walking on water, healing rare diseases, and even people see him in the pilgrimage in Saudi Arabia while others sees him at the same time in Luxor. When he died he was buried in the mosque.
 

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Posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate (Member # 20039) on :
 
Usually religious imperialists like Muslims and Christians don't like that most ancient great civilizations were NOT based on their sacro-saint muhammed or christ but based on ancestral religion.

Green Saharan civilization = ancestral religion
Kush civilization = ancestral religion
Ancient Egypt = ancestral religion
Chinese empire = ancestral religion
Mayan civilization = ancestral religion
Olmec civilization = ancestral religion
Great Zimbabwe/Khami civilization = ancestral religion
Ancient Greek civilization = ancestral religion
Ancient Roman = ancestral religion

Abrahimic religions actually slowed down progress with their backward thinking based on a fixed book writings. In Europe, Christians destroyed what Ancient Greeks particularly and Romans started only to led Europe to the horrible middle ages . Only European distancing themselves from christianity in favor of a more scientific/natural view of life led Europe through the Renaissance (although Christianity wasn't completely rejected at that time like it is now). Even then, saying the earth was round or not at the center of the universe was once anti-christ. Scientific thinking, heresy. The real scientific basis of Europe is in Ancient Greece.

In ancestral religion thinking every people on earth have their own path to god through their ancestors. They are not intolerant of each people religions. At first, they didn't see anything wrong in christianity and islam because they were just another religion from other people. Another cult. Little they know those people wanted to religiously colonize us and eliminate and any other religions on earth (including each others of course). If they knew that they probably would have viewed those imperialist intolerant religions differently right from the start.
 

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Zionism/Zionist is the idea that the Jews have historical and Religious right to the Land of Israel.

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Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate:
Usually religious imperialists like Muslims and Christians don't like that most ancient great civilizations were NOT based on their sacro-saint muhammed or christ but based on ancestral religion.

Green Saharan civilization = ancestral religion
Kush civilization = ancestral religion
Ancient Egypt = ancestral religion
Chinese empire = ancestral religion
Mayan civilization = ancestral religion
Olmec civilization = ancestral religion
Great Zimbabwe/Khami civilization = ancestral religion
Ancient Greek civilization = ancestral religion
Ancient Roman = ancestral religion

Abrahimic religions actually slowed down progress with their backward thinking based on a fixed book writings. In Europe, Christians destroyed what Ancient Greeks particularly and Romans started only to led Europe to the horrible middle ages . Only European distancing themselves from christianity in favor of a more scientific/natural view of life led Europe through the Renaissance (although Christianity wasn't completely rejected at that time like it is now). Even then, saying the earth was round or not at the center of the universe was once anti-christ. Scientific thinking, heresy. The real scientific basis of Europe is in Ancient Greece.

In ancestral religion thinking every people on earth have their own path to god through their ancestors. They are not intolerant of each people religions. At first, they didn't see anything wrong in christianity and islam because they were just another religion from other people. Another cult. Little they know those people wanted to religiously colonize us and eliminate and any other religions on earth (including each others of course). If they knew that they probably would have viewed those imperialist intolerant religions differently right from the start.

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Zionism/Zionist is the idea that the Jews have historical and Religious right to the Land of Israel.

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Jackass Zionism has nothing to do with religion. Do you even know who Herzl was?

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Wasnt this about the same time that the said Christians enslaved Africans and went on to massacre more during colonialism? You are jackass #2.

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DJ. You forget that the concept seperating the Levitical and Mosaic/Halakah Law is that it is NOT based on the Life, Actions, Dictates, Words, and Behavior of Moses. the Sunnah is based SOLEY on Muhammads behavior. What he liked and did not like, for example Dogs and Bells, what he ate, who he liked and did'nt like, the Banning of Drinking Alcohol and the punishment of 80 Lashes is NO WHERE in the Koran but the Sunnah, the Hijab and Nikab, again the Sunnah. This is a Cult, Christians and Jews do not have laws based on the Actions and Behavior of their founder prophet.

The Subject is as Touchy as the Neo-Nazi cult. Plenty of people ascribe to the Neo-Nazi's but the Subject and ideology is hated, rightfully so, by all and any thinking and logical human being with a decent sense of honor and intelligence. The Same should be with Islam. Under Sharia it is MANDATORY to treat non Muslims as 2nd Class Citizens, and this only extends to Jews and Xtians aka Dhimies. All Atheists, Polytheists, Hindus, Buddhists, Animists are subject to being and are actively GENOCIDED in Islamic States.

Islam has had plenty of time to reform and was among the first in human history of all the major Religions to do so, only to revert back to the gutter of the 6th Century Arabia by Koran Abiding Muslims. Andalus, the Abasids, Fatimid Egypt the Persian and Indian Muslim empires are all examples of about as secular as you can get in an Islamic State.

The Billions of Muslims who don't abide by or read the Koran is meaningless. Most of them flock to our Secular Democracies from Sweden to India and demand every right under the sun while in their homelands they deny the very same rights not only to other Muslims of other sects but to non Muslims and Women.

The Sad part is what Islam has done to the Eastern Empires such as Egypt, Persia India etc. which were the bastions of free thought, philosophy, Art, Architecture, Mathmatics, science etc. The Persians and Egyptians even today, (in West of Course), Rank as some of the top Math and Science Professionals, Doctors and Engineers, all due to the Secularism of Western Thought. If they were living in Iraq, Egypt, or Pakistan they'd be a bunch of moronic, stupified, poverty stricken idiots under the dictates of Mullahs and Imams attending 3rd rate Madrassa Higher Learning pisspots such as Al-Azhar, but in the West they flourish like Roses.

Hell it was the French and British who dug up the Temples of Km.t and deciphered the Mdu-Ntr which allowed us to rediscover Kemet. The Muhammadan occupiers of Egypt and their coverted subjects had no care in the world about Kemet after their arabization.

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Zionism/Zionist is the idea that the Jews have historical and Religious right to the Land of Israel.

Allah in Muhammads Koran is clearly a Zionist.

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^You need to read carefully. I made no statements as to whether mohammed's deeds/sayings or how he "ran" things was "right" or not. No one can say much about his deeds/sayings because most of them are made up and were written down at the earliest 200 yrs after his time. My point was to show that authority figures in islamic lands used these supposed deeds to justify their laws and claim to power. I made no defense of mohammed's deeds/sayings because I can't tell what they are.

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[qb] You seem to be using a segment of muslims (those anonymous and varied ones on youtube and zealots of various times and places) to describe the entire body of muslims. Sounds similar to how eurocentrics use quacks likes Prof. Jeffries to define "afrocentrists" so they can easily "win" the argument.

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It should be obvious to anyone who's studied islamic history that much of the deeds and sayings attributed to mohammed are not his.

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This was just used as justification by various islamic rulers to gain adherence to certain laws they pushed, to support their claims to leadership, or whatever else was useful to their ends.

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How is this different than in christianity and judaism? Christians made up passages and even whole books in the bible to support their particular doctrine.

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Sure, there is no equivalent to the sunnah in christianity but similar made up deeds and sayings used (though to a lesser extent than in islam).

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Judaism too has a whole lot that is made up in terms of what prophet did what and said what. All 3 holy books of the "abrahamic" religions are filled with contradictions and **** that was made up to justify what the particular author (or authority) wanted to foister on the people. All 3 books have many contributing authors over long periods of time (hence the contradictions) but official religious doctrine gives the false impression that these books are 1 pristine ideology.

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You make a good point that officially non-muslims are officially 2nd class citizens in islam but non-jews and non-christians were de facto 2nd class citizens in lands ruled by jews (palestine after the return from captivity, the Hasmonean kingdom, Kazaria, etc.) and christians (all through out europe, and parts of SW asia and N Africa). The degree of "2nd classness" depended upon the vissicitudes of the time, place and leader. So, again, what you describe in islam can be found in the other 2 abrahamic religions.

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Also like the christianity and judaism, islam has had to struggle with stifling religious doctrine/authority. Following islam doesn't preclude countries/people from progress (as you seem to suggest).

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It is simply the matter that europe has won the battle against the religious straight-jacket while most islamic societies have not.

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Also, have you thought about the fact that the copts in egypt also didn't care about digging up kemetic temples as you say the muslims didn't? Islam alone is not to blame for egyptian lack of interest in kemet and in fact the lack of interest probably started long before the majority of egypt started to follow Islam.

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Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:
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Zionism/Zionist is the idea that the Jews have historical and Religious right to the Land of Israel.

Allah in Muhammads Koran is clearly a Zionist.

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Your definition of Zionism is woefully simplistic. Zionism is an extreme form of jewish nationalism that started in the late 1800's. It's aim is to bring all jewish adherents to palestine and form a country for and by jews. It's most cherished tenet is that all jews in the world have the same culture and are descended from judeans and therefore they have a right to the land of "ancient israel" as it was their forefather's. Most of the intellectual proponents of Zionism were not religious jews but they saw the old testament as being historically accurate and used it to claim their right to the land through blood descent.

One can believe in the religious doctrine that palestine is the promised land of the jews and still not be Zionist. For most of the last 2 millennia, the jews had not sought to conquer palestine and claim any land as their birth right, nor had they migrated en masse to palestine. These things are recent phenomena driven by the nationalism of ashkenazic jews in central and eastern europe. There is even a sect of Jews who is vehemently opposed to zionism. Muslims who deny the "jewish promised land" details in islam are either ill-informed and/or close-minded buffoons, but islam or allah as presented by islam is definitely not zionist. Matter of fact, jews before the 1800s were not zionist either.

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^ Such acts were not committed because of Christianity but because of European greed and supremacy. Sure some proponents used Christianity as an excuse but it really wasn't. Look what Italy did to Ethiopia even though it was a Christian nation. Look at how blacks in the Americas were treated even though they were fellow Christians.

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Zionism/Zionist is the idea that the Jews have historical and Religious right to the Land of Israel.

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Jackass Zionism has nothing to do with religion. Do you even know who Herzl was?

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It is no coincidence that wherever Muslim communities gain power or stronghold in a non-Muslim region, violence follows. At least Christianity had a reformation and then enlightenment period.

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Wasnt this about the same time that the said Christians enslaved Africans and went on to massacre more during colonialism? You are jackass #2.

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LMAO. Angelina loves to talk about Jews. If you're looking for Angelina, just create a thread about Jews and sure nuff, she will rear her ugly head.

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Originally posted by africurious:
[qb] You seem to be using a segment of muslims (those anonymous and varied ones on youtube and zealots of various times and places) to describe the entire body of muslims. Sounds similar to how eurocentrics use quacks likes Prof. Jeffries to define "afrocentrists" so they can easily "win" the argument.

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Where did I say that the Muslims I debate on youtube represent every single Muslim out of the billions who practice the faith? Also what does this have to do with the subject matter?

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It should be obvious to anyone who's studied islamic history that much of the deeds and sayings attributed to mohammed are not his.

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This is such a lame excuse. Many of the Hadiths were stories around that Muslims knew about before they were recorded and many customs Muhammadans follow COME From these very Hadiths. Funny how after a thousand some off of years of Hadiths being pushed suddenly Muslims are questioning their Validity? Really, then stop wearing the Hijab and Nikab, Get out of Jerusalem, Tear down Dome of the Rock, etc. etc. Without the Hadiths Islam would fall apart.

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This was just used as justification by various islamic rulers to gain adherence to certain laws they pushed, to support their claims to leadership, or whatever else was useful to their ends.

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This may very well be the case as Robert Spencer's new book, Did Muhammad exist claims. Who knows, just shows how scattered and stupid Islam is as a cult belief system.

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How is this different than in christianity and judaism? Christians made up passages and even whole books in the bible to support their particular doctrine.

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Show me where any of these Gospels tell Christians to Follow the Actions of Jesus when he was alive? To follow and venerate what he ate, what he kissed, who he married, what he liked, what he hated etc. Show me the Law in Christianity off of these Gospels.

Also who gives a flying **** about Christianity, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ISLAM, Got a problem With Christianity make a thread, why everytime Islam is bought up you Muhammadans and/or Muhammadan apologists point fingers at others. Own up to your own depravity stupidity and backwardness.

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Sure, there is no equivalent to the sunnah in christianity but similar made up deeds and sayings used (though to a lesser extent than in islam).

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Yeah so then what is your point.

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Judaism too has a whole lot that is made up in terms of what prophet did what and said what. All 3 holy books of the "abrahamic" religions are filled with contradictions and **** that was made up to justify what the particular author (or authority) wanted to foister on the people. All 3 books have many contributing authors over long periods of time (hence the contradictions) but official religious doctrine gives the false impression that these books are 1 pristine ideology.

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Yeah but only ONE of them is currently trying to push their Garbage Religious Law in our Secular Democracies. If you wanna follow Sharia, take your ass to an Islamic Country, we don't want or need you in the west.

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You make a good point that officially non-muslims are officially 2nd class citizens in islam but non-jews and non-christians were de facto 2nd class citizens in lands ruled by jews (palestine after the return from captivity, the Hasmonean kingdom, Kazaria, etc.) and christians (all through out europe, and parts of SW asia and N Africa). The degree of "2nd classness" depended upon the vissicitudes of the time, place and leader. So, again, what you describe in islam can be found in the other 2 abrahamic religions.

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Show many Any Judaic Law or Christian Law or Text that told people to Fight non-Belevers until they payed a Fucking Tax to survive unharmed in their own lands. Show me where Christians or Jews or anyone for that matter does the **** Muslims do, Killing anyone who would dare build Cathedral, Synagog or PAgan Temple in their lands but building the Largest most Grand Mosques in our lands.

As bad as Christians were and Jews they allowed others way more rights than Muslims ever did or ever will. Islam is the most intolerant of all the 3 religions.

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Also like the christianity and judaism, islam has had to struggle with stifling religious doctrine/authority. Following islam doesn't preclude countries/people from progress (as you seem to suggest).

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Really??

Egypt-3,000 Plus yrs of Progress, scientific, Architectural, and Philosophical thought. Every Ancient Source speaks of the Wisdom of Egypt etc. Even during the Coptic/Roman Occupation Egypt is the center of learning.

Egypt Under Islam-Modern Egypt. Poverty Stricken, Rual, Backward and steeped in the stupidity of Sharia, MAdrassa Ranting and Chanting, and the Ranting and Chanting of Alazhar AKA Fatwa University.

Persia-The Light of the Middle East. Architectural, Mathmatical, etc. Leader, Persia's Sophistication too vast to name.

Modern Persia-Iran-case closed.

Yet, Rome(Italy) China, (U.K)Britania, Greece, etc. are still leaders in the world.

I mean look at Turkey, they become Secular and Wa-laa..

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It is simply the matter that europe has won the battle against the religious straight-jacket while most islamic societies have not.

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Because Europe never fell victim to a bunch of Rag-headed, illiterate Hordes chanting about their dirt-bad Pedo Pirating Prophet and their Crime Syndacate the Caliphate. Christianity as stupid a religion it is allowed Europe to become Secular and seperate Church from State.

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Also, have you thought about the fact that the copts in egypt also didn't care about digging up kemetic temples as you say the muslims didn't? Islam alone is not to blame for egyptian lack of interest in kemet and in fact the lack of interest probably started long before the majority of egypt started to follow Islam.

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The Copts Knew who they were, The Copts Spoke Egyptian and claimed to be Egyptian. They did'nt speak a foreign tounge, they did'nt pray to a Rock in Arabia etc.

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And it's laughable that you say Rome (italy) and greece are still leaders in the world cuz not many ppl share that belief. Italy and greece have been looked down upon in europe since the 18th or 19th century so i dont know what you're talking about.

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... I have not seen anyone with a greater deficiency in intelligence and religion than you. A prudent and reasonable man can be led astray b y some of you." The women asked , "O Allah's Apostle! What is the defect in our intelligence and our religion?" He told them, "Is the testimony of two women not equal to that of one man?" They affirmed this. He said, "This is the defect in her intelligence. Is it not true that a woman is not allowed to pray or fast during her menstruation?" The women affirmed this. He said, "This is the defect in her religion."

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“Before my time facts were mentioned that cancel prayers. They said, "Prayers are cancelled by a dog, a donkey, and a woman (when they are passing in front of people engaged in prayers)." I said, "You have turned us (the women) into dogs. I saw the Prophet in prayer while I was lying in bed between him and the Qibla (direction of Mecca). When I needed something I slipped away since I did not want to pass in front of his face."

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Credit Jari for putting an smackdown on what is an REligion of hate and lust.

Let me say that Islam is an evil faith with women and children taking the brunt of that false prophet mhammad.

Hear is an Ayatollah Kohpmeni and book of disigusting perversions Read and Under stand:


The Ayatollah Khomeini’s Book: Sex with Children and Animals


A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable. If a man does penetrate and damage the child then, he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl will not count as one of his four permanent wives and the man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister… It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband’s house, rather than her father’s home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven. ["Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990]


A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, but selling the meat to a neighbouring village is reasonable.


It is not illegal for an adult male to ‘thigh’ or enjoy a young girl who is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her. ["The Little Green Book"]


Paedophilia legal in Iran

In June, 2002 Iranian authorities approved a law raising the age at which girls can marry without parental consent from 9 to 13. The elected legislature actually passed the bill in 2000, but the “Guardian Council”, a 12-man body of conservative clerics, vetoed it as contradicting Islamic Sharia law. Iran’s clerical establishment insists that the marriage of young girls is a means to combat immorality. The Expediency Council, which arbitrates between the elected parliament and the theocratic Guardian Council, timidly passed the measure. The law however does not change the age at which children can get married (nine for girls and 14 for boys), but says that girls below the age of 13 and boys younger than 15 need their parents’ permission and the approval of a “Righteous Court.” Reformists state that the new law does not protect children, since most of those who marry at such a young age do so by force.

That's just the beginning. Islam claims that Majority of women are in hell for not having sex with Husbands. How can any sane person defend such filth?


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=98d_1268716355

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^ Such acts were not committed because of Christianity but because of European greed and supremacy. Sure some proponents used Christianity as an excuse but it really wasn't. Look what Italy did to Ethiopia even though it was a Christian nation. Look at how blacks in the Americas were treated even though they were fellow Christians.

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Typical BS. When Muslims do shyt it's Islam, but when Christians do the same its not a reflection of Christianity. Bitch your pretense to objectivity just got exposed. lol

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LOL Whose pretense to objectivity is exposed?!

My post which you quoted says it all. Please prove that the enslavement and oppression of blacks by Europeans had its root cause in Christianity?? Please explain how the oppressive treatment of Native Americans by Euros even after their conversion to Christianity had anything to do with religion?? On the other hand you have Muslim Indians enslaving and killing fellow Indians because they are kuffar. You have black Africans enslaving and killing equally black Africans because they are kuffar. If you don't see it, either you are an Islamic apologist and/or just plain stupid.
 

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Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
 
Everyone knows that the Christian idea of supremacy (being the "right" religion) influenced Europeans to destroy African culture. It's celebration of violence, of hell fire and Armageddon (their god coming with a sword to kill nonbelievers) influenced them to enslave and plunder. It's all there Mary. Oh yes who could forget and Christian George Bush's "crusade" (one in a long line of such Christian jihads) against Islam.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-:

Really? What do you do besides run around the forum bitching about the Jew. What do you talk about here besides the Jew??

I bet if Afrocurious told you he believed in the Holocaust you'd not be on his dick like you are..lol You're a joke man.

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Originally posted by anguishofbeingajewfrighteneddumbbitch:
You have already proven to him that you are quite insane.

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LOL

The irony is that Hitler's 'Final Solution' including the culling of Jews and identification via 'star of David' was actually inspired by and taken from Muslims! How many in here has heard of the Farhud in Baghdad or the Holocaust of the Balkans being engineered by the Khalifa the Grand Mufti of Palestine who was a partner of Adolf Hitler?? Does anyone know that Hitler's book Mein Kampf was a popular book in the Arab world and still is in parts of the Islamic world?? Even the name Adolf and Hitler was adopted by many Arabs both during and after WWII.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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Originally posted by anguishofbeingdumb:

Everyone knows that the Christian idea of supremacy (being the "right" religion) influenced Europeans to destroy African culture. It's celebration of violence, of hell fire and Armageddon (their god coming with a sword to kill nonbelievers) influenced them to enslave and plunder. It's all there Mary.

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YES Christianity was a factor but it was NOT the main driving force??

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heheh bitch down to a strawman before the first bell. Mary, who the fuk cares about what **you** mean by "main driving force". Point is both Islam and Christianity are violent cults. This is a fact. Go way you lose again.

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The irony is that Hitler's 'Final Solution' including the culling of Jews and identification via 'star of David' was actually inspired by and taken from Muslims! How many in here has heard of the Farhud in Baghdad or the Holocaust of the Balkans being engineered by the Khalifa the Grand Mufti of Palestine who was a partner of Adolf Hitler?? Does anyone know that Hitler's book Mein Kampf was a popular book in the Arab world and still is in parts of the Islamic world?? Even the name Adolf and Hitler was adopted by many Arabs both during and after WWII.

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There were many partners of Hitler.

Zionism and the Third Reich

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html


 

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Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
 
I said College is a waste of time due to the Debt. For Example, you end up with High Debt. while Job chances and pay remains low or stagnant, thus ususing College to get into the Middle Class is not a sure thing, hence the waste of time.

College can be useful in teaching you skills but the debt. is a problem.

and I said "Eventually" meaning a Bach. is what I will hold until I get my career underway.

Its not my fault to do anything of importance you need a college(Masters) degree.

Also most of my other more immediate goals have nothing to do with furthering my education.

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Well you just seem very conflicted and irrational. I want to better understand you. For example, you said college is a waste of time yet you plan to further your studies.

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Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
 
I'm just saying if you think something is a waste of time why do it. Sucker for pain?
 

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Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
 
Dude Its not even an immediate goal..as in its not something I plan to do for a long time, and yeah lately Ive been reconsidering my career path..As far as Im concerned Im just ready to finish my bach.

So now you, what did you get your studies in?? What does your educational resume look like?
 

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Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
 
A master's in psychology and thats all you need to know.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 

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Originally posted by anguishofbeingadumbwhore:

heheh bitch down to a strawman before the first bell. Mary, who the fuk cares about what **you** mean by "main driving force". Point is both Islam and Christianity are violent cults. This is a fact. Go way you lose again.

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There were many partners of Hitler.

Zionism and the Third Reich

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

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ROTFLMAO

And what does the fact that there were Jewish socialists who were members of the Nazi (Nationalist Socialist) Party have to do with the genocide against Jews?? Who is the one talking about strawmen again?! LOL

You might as well bring up black members of the KKK. In fact didn't someone do exactly that before? LOL
 

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Posted by anguishofbeing (Member # 16736) on :
 
^ KKK is a Christian organization.

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A lot of what the Euros did had NOTHING to do with Christianity

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Oh, dismissing native peoples culture around the world as heathen thus unworthy of respect and deserving of death (the very essence of colonialism/imperialism) had nothing to do with Christianity.

All Abrahamic faiths are in essence the same. Face it "Djehuti" you are just anti-Islam. You already admitted to being a Zionist so we know where the source of your hatred comes from.
 

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Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
 
The kkk copied European Catholic orders clothes.In Jordan Maxwell website he show pictures comparing the Hooded Catholic order robe to kkk robes.The USA secret society Pope who cocreated the kkk with a powerful ethnic minority had connection and correspondance with Italian secret society and revolutionary Mazzini were he predicted 3 world wars.

European Christianity was a very violent religion.Roman Emperor Constantine turned Christianity into a violent religion.After Christianity was declared the official religion of the Roman Empire Christian priest and the Roman army genocided thousands of Pagan and destroyed Pagan Temple and libraries.

Pope Nicholas V papal bull authorised the Portuguese and Spanish to destroyed Africa and enslaved African.The Papacy divided the world between Portugal and Spain therefore was responsible for the genocide of the native American.Native American who refused to convert was burned alive by the Priest.Some piest were slave owners and plantation owners.

One of the European crusading army who conquered Jerusalem massacred all the city inhabitants muslim, Jew, Christian.There were war of religion between Catholic and Orthodox Christian between Coptic and Orthodox Christian in Egypt.Christianity would not have stop Catholic Italian for invading and massacring Coptic Ethiopian.

You cant blame European greed, racism and imperialism for colonial crimes and not blame European Christianity. The Papal State Catholic Church was the power behind the European monarchy and the Pope authorised and blessed Euro crusade, Cathar genocide, colonialism and imperialism.The muslim violence and intolerance are probably imitation of the Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodox Church created by Emp Constantine.There are solid theory that the Catholic church or the Syrian Orthodox Church created Islam and that Mohamed(meanig worthy one a title for Jesus) never existed.The story in the Koran are the stories of the first Caliphs(Abd al Malik one of them)under the name/title of Mohammed/worthy one.

Djehuti you can check Acharya S website for a list of Christian massmurders, tortures and inquisitions.Gnostic Christianity of Egypt wasnt violent but when literalise by Constantine it became a weapon of power and wealth until today.
 

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Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
 

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Zionism/Zionist is the idea that the Jews have historical and Religious right to the Land of Israel.

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Jackass Zionism has nothing to do with religion. Do you even know who Herzl was?

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It is no coincidence that wherever Muslim communities gain power or stronghold in a non-Muslim region, violence follows. At least Christianity had a reformation and then enlightenment period.

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Wasnt this about the same time that the said Christians enslaved Africans and went on to massacre more during colonialism? You are jackass #2.

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LMAO. Angelina loves to talk about Jews. If you're looking for Angelina, just create a thread about Jews and sure nuff, she will rear her ugly head.

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Got tired of reading nonspecialists like you pretending to be geneticists. Wannabe. lol

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Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
A master's in psychology and thats all you need to know.

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Bwaahahahahhahaha.
Wait, wait wait..
Buwahahahahahahahahahaha...
Wait, did you just say...
Buahahahahahahahahaha..
You were saying that you had a master's in psychology..?
Ah man, this is straight up comedy.


 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ Actually I'm not at all surprised. I know folks who majored in psychology and they are some of the craziest people I have ever known in my life! That's the irony-- many so-called psychologists are nuts. I'm sure process of pursuing his degree must have caused him much pain with most early and most famous psychologists being.. you know *whisper* 'Jews'.

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Originally posted by anguishofbeingadumbwhore:

KKK is a Christian organization.

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Oh, dismissing native peoples culture around the world as heathen thus unworthy of respect and deserving of death (the very essence of colonialism/imperialism) had nothing to do with Christianity.

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No idiot. Please explain the Christian doctrine of denigrating and even tormenting other peoples and cultures even if they happen to be Christian as well!

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All Abrahamic faiths are in essence the same. Face it "Djehuti" you are just anti-Islam. You already admitted to being a Zionist so we know where the source of your hatred comes from.

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All Abhrahamic faiths may share a same 'essence' based on common traditions in the Near-East but not all religions are hte same. I am not anti-Islam. I even have Muslim friends. What I am against is Islamic extremism and supremacy or do you not know the difference?? And when did I say I was a Zionist?? Am I Jewish now?? LOL
 

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Posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate (Member # 20039) on :
 
Islam and Christianity are both imperialist religions born of the same Abrahamic stem (inspired by the Jewish fate) intolerant of other people's religions which are viewed as wrong, pagans,idols, etc.

That's not the case with Ancestral Religions in Africa and around the world. They are not proselytizing and they believe every people on earth have their own path to god through their ancestors. They are not intolerant of each people religions. At first, they didn't see anything wrong in christianity and islam because they were just another religion from other people. Another cult. In fact, a great many still do with syncretism widespread in Africa. Little did they know those people wanted to religiously colonize us and eliminate any other religions on earth (including each others -islam vs christinity- of course). If they knew that, they probably would have viewed those imperialistic intolerant religions differently right from the start.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ The Jewish religion is not imperialist, because Judaic religion was suppose to dominate the land of Israel only which historically comprised the much of the Levant. Christianity in it's true form is not imperialist either because there is NOTHING in Christian doctrine to impose the Christian faith. Unlike Judaism there is proselytizing but it's not done through conquest. The Christianity by conquest was something that was done by the Roman Catholic Church which was nothing more than the religious form of the Roman Empire which was imperialistic in its heart. But then you have Islam which has the Shariah which DOES have a doctrine of political domination via the dar ul harb doctrine. These are the major differences in the Abrahamic faiths other than the messiah beliefs. Judaism is not proselytizing, Christianity is but not through force, and Islam is proselytizing through force.
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
This is interesting.

Discussion in 'Black Spirituality / Religion - General Discussion' started by ShemsiEnTehuti, Sep 18, 2006.

Black Spirituality Religion :The Hebrews were NOT *Black* or even *African*...

I am going to demonstrate how this Biblical "Black Hebrew" nonsense is nothing but distorted history about our Nile Valley ancestors. Therefore, much truth needs to be exposed about our African roots. It is true that most of thewriters of the philosophical texts in the Bible were Kemetic priests (the Biblical Levites); however, that does not mean we should embrace the Bible. For these brothers of ours sided with Asiatic invaders of the Nile Valley, usurped the Kemetic throne and so were expelled from the Black Land for good. This is where their bitter resentment towards Egypt starts, and it is easily picked up from reading the Bible in that it mentions Egypt more than 600 times; half of which are with significant aversion.


The conflict starts with Akhenaten (whom I believe is the Biblical Moses) was a tyrant Pharaoh who tried to force a state religion on Kemet which was probably the first time in history that an aggressive religion (like Hebrewism, Christianity, or Islam) was forcefully imposed on a society. His god was called the Aten, where it transliterates to "Adonai" in Hebrew. This is what Hebrews called Jehovah/Yahweh/YHWH; for it is uncertain why they felt they should not say his real name. Akhenaten built his Aten temples within boundaries of the Amen-Ra temples, hence why Jews, Christians, and Muslims to this day end their prayers with "Amen."


After the country went into near civil war from Akhenaten's tyrannical dictatorship, he was forced to abdicate the throne, flee Egypt, and hide in Sinai with supporting Bedouin tribes, Hebrews(haribu)/Shasu/Midianites, and other nomadic types (which parallels Moses' life). But importantly, his Kemetic support came from the Levites. That's right, the Levites of the Bible were not Hebrews, they were Egyptians designated as the priests over the Israelites (Numbers 1:1-50). This is because after Akhenaten was forced to leave Kemet, he and the Levites then taught the Hebrews everything about their spirituality/religion.

-When a census of all the Israelites was taken in Numbers 1, it explicitly states in Numbers 1:49 that the Levites were not counted among the Israelites, but were designated as priests (1:50).

-Pharaoh Akhenaten's 2 highest officials were Meryre II (High Priest of the Aten) and Panehesy (Chief Servitor of the Aten) at the city of Amarna in Kemet. Is it a coincidence that two of Moses' highest priests were Merari (Egyptian translation of Meryre) in Numbers 3:36 and Phinehas (which is the Egyptian equivalent of Panehesy) in Numbers 25:10-13. Both Meryre II/Merari and Panehesy/Phinehas were Levites (Exodus 6:16-25).

-The Bible makes clear distinctions between the Levites and the Israelites all throughout the Old Testament. One example is Numbers 16 where Korah, the Levite, rebels against Moses and Aaron, along with other Levites. Verse 2 in this chapter makes a clear distinction between the Levites and the Sons of Israel. (Note: it is interesting in verse 1 that one Levite is named "On", which is a Kemetic city where many priests received their training).

Your question now may be, how do I know that the Levites were Egyptians. For starters, Numbers 26:59 tells us that Levi's children were born in Egypt. There was a city named Mallawi in Kemet that translates directly to "Levi City", or "City of the Levites". It is directly across the Nile River from where Pharaoh Akhenaten built his city of Amarna, which is where the high officials Meryre II and Panehesy served.


[map of egypt illustrating Mallawi]



Interestingly, there are some "Black Jews" all throughout Africa that migrated at some unspecified time centuries ago. I am only going to focus on those in southern Africa known as the Lemba people. The Lemba we know of are the Levites who sided with Akhenaten in Kemet, but were eventually forced to leave given they had forced their religion on the population and caused civil war. These "Black Jews" however, are not decendents of Hebrews, but are descendents of the black Kemetic Levites who migrated to different parts of Africa and southern Asia.

[map of migrations of exiled Levites from Kemet or the "Black Jews"]


Take note that the Levites also travelled to Ethiopia and crossed over to Arabia where there are "Black Jews" today in Ethiopia and Yemen. There is a town known as "Aden" which is the exact transliteration of Akhenaten's god, the Aten. Even the gulf is called the "Gulf of Aden" where these "Black Jews" travelled. Mere coincidence? I think not.


Take a closer look at the map where these Black Jews migrated and you will see a country that has a name that no one has been able to pinpoint where it came from...that is the country of Malawi. Given the periodic absence of written record during African migrations through the continent, the missing "l" is of no consequence...phonetically, the name means the same thing..."city of the Levites". There are many customs that Africans all across the continent have unwittingly carried with them from Kemet through the migrations caused by Arab Muslim jihads/invasions, but that is another topic. However, one piece of culture worth noting is Pharaoh Akhenaten's worship of the Aten with the "dazzling rays of the Aten disk (sun)" compared to the country of Malawi's national flag.

Here is Akhenaten's popular representation of the Aten...



And here's a third of them offering gifts to the Aten...


Now that we have a good look at the Aten, the similarity can easily be seen in the national flag of Malawi where it uses the same imagery of the extended rays of the sun only inverted upon its horizontal axis...



Considering the migrations of the Levite-Lemba people (and Kemetians in general), the linguistic and historical connections with Kemet, the name of the country Malawi itself, and the similarity of imagery with the rays of the sun, could this really be deemed a mere coincidence? Many have made theories as to where the name "Malawi" or the country's flag came from, but they all concede that it is somewhat of a "mystery". It is not much of a mystery when we only study our African history without involving the racist and divisive ideologies of Europeans and Arabs or their second-hand religions.

The last thing I want to cover is the ethnic composition of the Hebrews through the eyes of our Kemetic ancestors. The Lemba people are indigenous Africans who resemble most likely the Levites of ancient Kemet.

[Southern-African Lemba priest]



However, the illustration below will show the different types of people who were prisoners of war to the Egyptians in crafted tiles, where the 4th one is what the Egyptians called the "habiru" (from Tell el-Amarna tablets) and Shasu. Only the fool-hearted cannot see that the name "Hebrew" is obviously derived from "habiru".

[ethnic tiles of prisoners-of-war in Kemet]



These same Habiru and/or Shasu people are shown in the tombs of Amarna as Akhenaten's mercenaries; therefore, this cannot be denied.

In conclusion, the story in the Bible is just a bitter attempt by the followers of Pharaoh Akhenaten (Amenhotep IV) to erase their ties with Kemet after being exiled from the country for forcing a state religion. The Egyptians were the bringers of light to the uncivilized Hebrews, and now after the centuries of religious divisiveness and racism, our African roots have been terribly obscured where we feel the need to embrace the backwards nature of the resulting Semitic/Arabic/Hebrew/Israelite cultures. African people, that fake Biblical history is not yours...to hell with it!!! Come home to Africa...

"Our parents survived the Middle Passage; only the strong got here and then we lost our name, our culture, our religion, and we are still here. So you may have a momentary victory....but you don't know who we are. We are the children of Shaka Zulu, we are the children of Mary Mcleod Bethune, we are the children of Marcus Garvey, we are the children of Martin Luther King. We'll be here. We were first, and we'll be last, we know who we are!"

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Now for some of my views.
I have some disagreements.
One point,i don't think any part of the bible was written by africans or those of african origin but it's clear the bible has african influence and from outside africa.

I DON'T CARE HOW MANY TIMES FOLKS WANT TO SPIN IT.

The bible,islam etc.. are not native african faiths.
Blacks should stick to thier own truly native faiths or just become agnostic or a atheist.
End of story.


Discussion in 'Black Spirituality / Religion - General Discussion' started by ShemsiEnTehuti, Sep 18, 2006.

http://destee.com/index.php?threads/the-hebrews-were-not-black-or-even-african.42213/
 

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Posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate (Member # 20039) on :
 
Judaism is only imperialistic toward Jewish people, other ethnic groups are considered gentiles, but both Christianity and Islam are true imperialistic religions. Both believe that they are only and true religion and that people practicing other faith are wrong and need to be converted. Historically they both used forces to expand their religions but that's beside the point.

For ancestral religions (from Kemet to Celtics passing by African religions, Shinto, Druids, Ancient Greek, Ancient Romans, Maya, etc), it's normal for any other people to have their own religions. Each people have their own path to God (knowledge of God) through their ancestors.
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
Amun-Ra The Ultimate,what do think Dr Ray Hagins?


Egypt The Source Of The Bible Part 11 Dr Ray Hagins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW9nIt5bfrU
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
and

What Shall We Do With Jesus? (CD) - Pastor Ray Hagins: Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6-oBO7aBOA


What Shall We Do With Jesus? (DVD) Part 2: Dr. Ray Hagins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nZKRWVqaZ0
 

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Posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate (Member # 20039) on :
 

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Amun-Ra The Ultimate,what do think Dr Ray Hagins?


Egypt The Source Of The Bible Part 11 Dr Ray Hagins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW9nIt5bfrU

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I found something else.
I have not seen all of this yet but i will later.

Pastor Ray Hagins - Christianity VS Afrikan Consciousness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQX3-6Nb3MI

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The only thing I think is often lacking about those type of speeches and observations is the fundamental similarities between most major ancestral religions in the world. African religions actually have a lot of similarities with other indigenous religions of the world including Shinto, Celtics, Druids, Ancient Greeks, Romans religions, etc. People who actually have an Ancestral Religions world view actually sees that type of connections. It's not even intellectualism for them, it's just normal than any people (like neighboring families or neighboring ethnic groups in Africa) have their own names for gods, their own deities, their own ancestors they pray to, some different practices and taboo, and knowledge of gods through their ancestors. I could even explain how this worldview is at the source of the so-called syncretism in Africa (they - often illiterate not intellectual people- see christinanity and islam as only another cult, but it's wrong for African to do that because christianity and islam contrary to Ancestral Religions of the world don't view Ancestral religions as a good faith, as good acceptable religions. They view those religions as pagans, idols, infidels, etc. People that needs to be converted. It's a different incompatible worldview).
 

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Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
 
Firewall discussion on black spirituality is a great post.Judaisme or Atonisme is the religion of tyranical Pharaoh Akhenaton and his Levite priesthood.The Hebrew or Jew in Palestine were exiled Egyptian.Akhenaton and is followers black and semite were expelled from Egypt after trying unsucesfuly to impose his dictatorial religion on the Egyptian.Close to Akhetaten the new capital city of Akhenaton was the city of the Levite priest name Malawi or Mallevi the city of thye Levite.There is a country call Malawi in Southern Africa. I agree The name of the city of Aden sound like the God Aten.(The name of the country of Oman sound like the God Amon and Yemen sound like Yah men)

According to Sigmund Freud, Ahmed Osman, Moustafa Gadalla the biblical Moses was Akhenaton.M Gadalla in his book the Egyptian origin of Christianity show that the two high priests of Akhenaton Merira II, Panehesy have the same name as the high priest of Moses/Moise(Mo Isis, son of Isis)Merari and Phinehas.

The Hebrew or Jew were in majority black people because they were Egyptian religious exiled.According to echos of the Old Darkland by Charles Finch The ancient writers Josephus,Plutarch, Tacitus, Eusebius, Celsus, Diodorus, Strabo described the Hebrew to be descendent of Ethiopian and Egyptian in the time of the Roman Empire.The same book show most of the name in the bible are variation of Egyptian name.After the destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman the majority of the Jew that took refuged inside Africa were black.

The word Hebrew in the ancient world described an Egyptian stellar priest and the language of that priesthood.People should not confuse the word Ibaru/Habiru (H=The) meaning Hebrew/the hebrew and Hapiru/apiru meaning nomad.The words Iberia for Spain and Hiberia for Ireland derived from Ibaru.

What people call Judaisme was another name for Egyptian and African.Egypt was a multi ethnic country,some of the Ethnic groups religion and culture look like Christianity other ethnic groups religion and culture look like Judaisme.According to Thomas Wanda rjudaisrael.org most of the name of modern African country, city and region can be found in the bible.

I think Roman Emperor Constantine was the creator of religious imperialism when he created an European form of Christianity in the Nicea conference.All the other form of Christianity was banned in the Roman Empire after Nicea.Constantine created his form of Christianity to empowered and united the Roman Empire who was weakening. Roman Emperor Theodosius banned the ancent religion so call pagan in the Roman Empire, close the temples, universities and burned their libraries.The Roman Catholic Church who is a continuity of the Roman Empire by another form genocided Pagan, heretic ,protestant, Jew, Muslim, Indigenous people etc in the name of religion.Like the Roman Empire the Catholic church conquered or colonised many countries by using the European Kings as proxy.The imperial ROMAN universal religion also enslaved million.Akhenaton was the first creator of an imperialist religion but he failed.The white European Jew are an imperialist people who are dominating the world banking and politic but their religion is not imperialist.

Amunra the ultimate most of the imperialist religion like European Constantine Christianity,Islam, Judaisme are corrupted, literalised and dumb down form of Egyptian/African and Hindu ancestral religion.They didnt reinvented the wheel, they plagiarised the ancient ancestral cosmic and spiritual religion and genocided the ancient priesthood and burned the ancient Temples and libraries.The Imperialist religion didnt bring nothing new to the world.There are hundred of books on comparative religion and Astrotheology(cosmic religion) that show the truth.
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
Any tribe that attacks another to grab their resources and women are imperialists on the scale they are able to be.

The ancient Egyptians were imperialists. They boasted in many texts and placed on steles of victories over Syria, Nubia, Libya, Mitanni etc
They went into these places and took out natural materials by force.

"Heaven and all the foreign lands whom God has created serve her (Hateshepsut) in totality" (Urk IV 341.15)

Imperialsim and the Empire in New Kingdom Egypt
Barry Kemp

http://books.google.com/books?id=01c6sUSS24oC&pg=PA7&lpg=PA7&d


 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
world council of churches

Christianity, African Religion and African Medicine
Gordon L. Chavunduka


Early European Christian missionaries tried to destroy African religion and African medicine. Many African traditional religious rites and rituals were regarded as against the Christian faith and morals. It was also believed that African religion promoted the belief in witchcraft and encouraged people to worship their ancestors instead of worshiping God. African medicine was regarded as unscientific and some of its treatment methods were considered anti-Christian. Traditional healers were regarded as heathens because of their participation in African Traditional Religion. Thus, Africans who became Christians were discouraged by the church from taking part in African traditional religious rituals and from consulting traditional healers. This attempt to destroy African religion and medicine has not succeeded. Many African Christians have continued to participate in traditional religious rituals; they have also continued to consult traditional healers. In other words, many African Christians have dual membershipCmembership in the Christian church and membership in African religion.

It is difficult to separate African medicine from African religion. There are two main reasons for this. Firstly, the African general theory of illness is very broad; it includes African theology. In other words, the theory not only attempts to explain illness and disease but also the relations between God and the niverse. The second reason, related to the previous one, is that many traditional healers are also religious leaders and vice versa.

The traditional medical sector has continued to grow despite the attempts by early Christian missionaries and others to suppress it; and it has continued to grow because traditional healers are successful in curing a large number of illnesses. Traditional healers use both scientific and non-scientific or subjective knowledge. Scientific medicines are obtained mainly from plants. Many plant medicines recommended by traditional healers are correct even when judged by modern scientific methods. This empirical knowledge has been developed through trial and error, experimentation and systematic observation over a long period of time. The major sources of non-scientific or subjective knowledge are the various spirits believed to play a part in health. The social and psychological methods of treatment developed from this unscientific base often bring good results.

Participation in traditional religions is increasing. The point that was often made by early Christian leaders that many African religious rites and rituals and many of their cultural practices are against Christian faith and morals is, in fact, not correct. In recent years a number of African scholars have shown that many traditional practices that Christian churches eliminated or tried to eliminate were not, in fact, against Christian faith and morals. African religion does not encourage belief in witchcraft; it merely accepts the fact that witches exist in Africa. Witches are regarded as sinners and it is the duty of religious leaders to talk about witchcraft and to attempt to discourage its practice. African religion does not encourage people to venerate their ancestors instead of worshiping; members of African religion talk to their ancestors but worship God. African religion says, God is for everyone everywhere. God takes very little interest in the day-to-day affairs of individuals. God is not concerned with purely personal affairs but with matters of national and international importance. The ancestral spirits, on the other hand, are concerned with the day-to-day affairs of their descendants. They are the intermediaries between the living and God. People pray to God through their ancestors.

Many Africans who became Christians found it difficult to abandon their religion and medicine completely. Christian conversion was, therefore, shallow; it did not always change the African people's understanding of life and their relationship to their ancestral spirits and God.

The way forward for the Christian church is to examine carefully African religion and medicine and other cultural aspects, with a view to identifying clearly those practices that are not against Christian faith and morals and incorporate them into modern medicine and Christian worship; if possible, the should also try to find a way out of what are considered non-Christian rites and other cultural practices. A few Christian churches are already doing this.

There is a need for dialogue between the leaders of Christian churches and the leaders of African religion and medicine. Unplanned interaction might continue to create new problems, misunderstandings and conflict. The need is for sound and genuine dialogue, involving negotiations whenever necessary.

Prof. Gordon L. Chavunduka is president of the Zimbabwe National Traditional Healers' Association.


http://wcc-coe.org/wcc/what/interreligious/cd33-02.html
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
Is Islam An African Religion? The Dr Wesley Muhammad-Dr Ray Hagins Debate


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZCEaaIvy5A
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
Dr Ray Hagins Vs Dr Wesley Muhammad, Harlem, USA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awqhG_VyL8o
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
Ray hagins didn't debate. he got scared and went home
 

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Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
 
LOL @ the idea of two Pulpit pimps with an Afrocentric spin trying to debate which of their cults is better for Africans.

I notice one thing, Westly Muhammad does'nt live his black ass over in Mauritania or Yemen etc. All these Afrocentrics live in the west despite their lamenting on "da eeee-bil white man" ...lmao Go to Mecca and preach the Pedo-Desert Pirate founder of his cult was black, see how fast he gets his head cut off.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
Judaism is not imperialistic because it has no doctrine of proselytizing let alone dominating other regions or peoples. The only place Judaism is supposed to be 'supreme' is in the Judaic heartland i.e. Israel. Christianity has a doctrine of proselytizing but only through peaceful means and not by force which is something the Roman Church is guilty of. Islam on the other hand has the doctrine of jihad to spread the faith and the actual Khalifa (empire).
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
Here some someone who challenges some of RAY HAGINS FACTS and KWESI.

Zeitgeist Religion - Ray Hagins, Ashra Kwesi LIES EXPOSED

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiARf13vltU
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
The Almoravids and The Meaning of Jihad



by Ronald Messier

Specialties: Historian, Archaeologist
Ronald Messier is professor emeritus at Middle Tennessee State University and former adjunct professor and senior lecturer at Vanderbilt University, where he taught Islamic history and historical archaeology.


Originally West African, Berber nomads, the Almoravids emerged from what is today Mauritania to rule Morocco, western Algeria, and Muslim Spain. Over the course of the century-long lifespan of the Almoravid dynasty, the concept of jihad evolved through four distinct phases: a struggle for righteousness, a war against pagans in the Sahara to impose their own sense of righteousness, war against "bad" Muslims in Sijilmasa and the rest of the Maghrib, and finally, war against Christian infidels—the Christian kings of Iberia.

The Almoravids and the Meanings of Jihad takes readers through a clear chronology of the dynasty from its birth through its dramatic rise to power, then its decline and eventual collapse. Several important themes in North African history are explored throughout the book, including the dynastic theory of noted Arab historian Ibn Khaldun, the unique relationship of rural and urban lifestyles, the interactions of distinct Berber and Arab identities, and the influence of tribal solidarity and Islam in forming the social fabric of medieval North African society.
This story details the eleventh century rise of camel-borne Muslim warriors in the western Sahara desert. The author claimed that the Almoravids (Berber fundamentalist Muslims) were invited by the Muslim kings of Andalusia to help to defeat invading `reconquista' Christian forces; they liked what they saw, and overextended their welcome by staying. The author noted that the Almoravids saw their military support as an Islamic jihad in protecting Muslim gains over the Spanish Christians
 

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Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
 
Ray Hagins: Noah's ark (Idiotic concepts in Religion)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5K0T2XD8hs
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^ It is an established FACT that the legend of 'Noah's Ark' is based on older Babylonian and Sumerian legends. Even many Jewish Rabbis admit that certain Biblical/Torah legends are based on older mythologies.

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Here some someone who challenges some of RAY HAGINS FACTS and KWESI.

Zeitgeist Religion - Ray Hagins, Ashra Kwesi LIES EXPOSED

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiARf13vltU

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Any tribe that attacks another to grab their resources and women are imperialists on the scale they are able to be.

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There is a need for dialogue between the leaders of Christian churches and the leaders of African religion and medicine. Unplanned interaction might continue to create new problems, misunderstandings and conflict. The need is for sound and genuine dialogue, involving negotiations whenever necessary.

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Oh by the way,Christianity,Islam and Judaism are white created religions and are hebrew centric and arab centric,and no amount of spin is going to change those facts.

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Oh by the way,Christianity,Islam and Judaism are white created religions and are hebrew centric and arab centric,and no amount of spin is going to change those facts.

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Such attacks into West Asia were always retaliatory. Cheikh Anta Diop elaborates on this point in "African Origin of Civilization" in his reference to Pharaoh Amenhotep III--who in retaliation to West Asian attacks pushed far into West Asia in retaliation.

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Originally posted by mena7:
Firewall I know you are Afrocentric.
I read your great thread and post on Nubia and African cities modern architecture.

On the Hebrew Firewall keep an open mind because classical writers like Tacitus, Eusibius, Diodorus considered the Hebrew to be descendant of Ethiopian and Egyptian therefore black.

There are million of black Hebrew in Africa like the Lemba, the Falasha, part of the Igbo, part of the Yoruba, some Ghanean, some Ugandan that claimed there ancestors come from West Asia.

The Kongo, the Ngala, the Bateke, the Bamileke states they are the original Hebrew who migrated to central/South Africa.One of their greatest proof the so call bantu language they are speaking is close to Hebrew if it is not the original Hebrew.Some of them recreated the state of Judea in Africa.

I believe them but I have to do more research on those African population to trace their migration route from West Asia to Africa. Eurocentric history is alway changing when native population tell their history.A history reader, researcher and student have to keep an open mind.

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Atheism or to put it better, "a-religiosity"--in the sense of not paying attention to religion or prayer--works in countries where solutions to human problems are provided by people themselves and people are mature intellectually and morally.

Problems such as health problems, job problems, social problems that result in pervasive crime, wealth problems, education problems, infrastructural problems, etc.

Thus, given the situation in places like Africa, India, South and Central America, etc. atheism will not stand a chance of catching on. First, people will have to realise that the solution to human problems is not prayer or "leaving everything in the hands of God" but solutions provided by the people themselves in rational way.

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Religion despite some of the problems it causes also does a lot work to solve society ills. Acts such as charity and community work is perpetuated and furthered by religious institutions. In fact, studies show countries that are more religious tend to produce more selfless people who give more to charity and do more not only for their community but other communities. This is in stark contrast to many 'secular' countries especially in Europe where folks tend to be more selfish and not do as much for others. This is not to say atheists are this way but this goes even for secularists nations where the majority profess a religion.

In my view there has to be a balance between secularism and religiosity. Too much of one or the other spells bad news.

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Here is a interesting post about what
John Henrik Clarke said about Islam vs Christianity.

He seems to think Christianity is worse,and i think i know why,and he may have a point.

Anyway he believe both are bad for africans anyway.

This quote was from a thread talking about religion/he is replying to a person


A black guy • a month ago


I'm trying to find where you quoted John Henrik Clarke... Don't you
know that John Henrik Clarke says that Christianity is the White man's
religion? He is tons harder on Christianity than on Islam. He said

that if you held a gun to his head and forced him to choose between
Islam and Christianity, he would choose Islam every time....

And the way you talk about Islam is a huge misrepresentation of their
history. Islam improved systems and civilizations. For example,
Al-Andalus was conquered by Muslim Moors, and it became one of the
most peaceful and advanced countries in the world. The people were
allowed to practice any religion they wanted. This is just one
example, however..
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Here is the rest of the chat.
http://kingmovement.com/debunking-the-myth-that-christianity-is-the-white-mans-religion-part-i/?doing_wp_cron=1366026139.4828929901123046875000


Oh by the way,Christianity,Islam and Judaism are white created religions and are hebrew centric and arab centric,and no amount of spin is going to change those facts.

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But the white Jews (Hebrews) and white Arabs remain exactly
what they always were--white; and this is why (and who pretends
not to know It?) that there is a racial crisis today in Israel between
the ruling white Jews and the Coloured Jews who have migrated
there from the above mentioned lands.

Note- Alot of those Coloureds the author is talking about above would be considered brown caucasians,meaning they are just whites with heavy black admixture or heavy enough i guess.

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I know this thread is old, but I just have to intervene on this one post. Firewall, when touching on the “racial” characteristic of regions such as the Middle East in “Ancient” times, you have to be very careful to not view it through the lens of every aspect of the modern world, where the cultures, ethnicities, languages, and also the genetic profile have changed and is continuing to change. The Ancient Hebrews and Ancient/Medieval Arabs were not White nor were they just mostly like their multi-racial descendants. It’s not that simple to state that some were White, some were Black, but the majority were mixed, your dealing with timeframes that occurred differently from one another and not at the same time. In fact, the last population to even be notable for their racial heterogeneity would be indigenous Arabians, who were the last people to experience demographic changes.



A portrait of two Kindite Arabs



Fragment of a mural depicting a Arab King of the Kingdom of Kindah



A Byzantine depiction of Ummayyads leader Maslama ibn Abdal- Malik with his Arabian warriors

Some Quotes from Islamic writers:

“The Zanj say that God did not make them black in order to disfigure them; rather it is their environment that made them so. The best evidence of this is that there are black tribes among the Arabs, such as the Banu Sulaim bin Mansur, and that all the peoples settled in the Harra, besides the Banu Sulaim are black.” Abu Uthman Al-Jahiz of Iraq 9th century A.D.

“The Arabs used to take pride in their brown and black complexion (al-sumra wa al-sawād) and they had a distaste for a white and fair complexion (al-ḥumra wa al-shaqra), and they used to say that such was the complexion of the non-Arabs.” Ibn Abi al-Hadid 13th c. citing the 9th century Al-Mubarrad in Sharh nahj al-balaghah, V:56.

“…the predominant complexion of the Arabs is dark brownish black and that of the non-Arabs is white.” Ibn Mandour (14th Century) Lisaan al-Arab IV:209

Here are some links that speak about the Arabs race:

http://afroasiatics.blogspot.com/2013/01/normal-0-false-false-false.html?m=1

https://afroasiatics.blogspot.com/?m=0

Here is a thread done by the blogger Afroasiatica; http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=006653;p=4

http://alajamwalarab.com/

http://savethetruearabs.proboards.com/thread/4#ixzz3fcTVK69W

https://qahiri.wordpress.com/2015/07/12/muslim-personalities-who-were-black-in-early-islamic-history/



A reconstruction of a rare colorized depiction of a Hebrew seemingly to be smithed by an Assyrian soldier



The four Hebrew musicians above have also been surprisingly colorized



A fresco of Biblical character Moses leading the exodus out of Egypt by crossing the Red Sea, inside Duras-Europos Synagogue

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/binding-of-isaac-beth-alpha-fb.jpg

A fresco in Jerusalem, depicting Biblical character Abraham sacrificing his son Isaac

Anthropological review on the remains from the city of Lachish

The excavation uncovered a mass of human bones, which was estimated to form the remains of fifteen hundred individuals....Remains of 695 skulls were brought to London by the British expedition...Curiously, the crania indicate a close resemblance to the population of Egypt at this time...'the relationships found suggest that the population of the town in 700 B.C. was entirely, or almost entirely, of Rgyptian origin...' They show further, that the population of Lakish was probably derived from Upper Egypt...If so, this indeed is a conclusion of far-reaching implication.

Keep in mind that classifications such as “Mediterranean” are vague and carries with it many inconsistencies. Phenotypic diversity have no need for “racial” mixture and is a natural phenomenon among many indigenous populations.

For example, here is a Negev Bedouin from the tribe of Jahaleen, in Palestine note that the man carry extremely distinct features and is dark skinned. The man by the way was over 107 years old and the picture was taken in 2014.

https://eappiblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/bgsaltnes-107_year_old_selim_auda_jahaleen_khan_al_ahmar_2014-09-27-2.jpg

Here’s a link to the blog I found the picture at: https://blog.eappi.org/tag/nuweima/

Here is my thread for more images: http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/3010/depictions-ancient-middle-easterners-aegeans
 

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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
 
pictures to large have been left has URLs

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Posted by Marija (Member # 23167) on :
 
I notice in this thread the common error of ascribing too much meaning to the bogus "racial" categories "white" and "black".

Anyone darker than Trump is "black" to some people.

As for the topic, Zionism is not a religious movement! Nor is it religiously based. It is ethnic. It is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people. There are Jews in Israel who are JEWS but religiously Christian, Buddhist, atheist and other things, in addition to Judaic. "Jewish" is an ethnic identity, not a religious marker.

If the Kurds want their territory independent, we cannot reduce this to an "Islamic" tendency. It is an ethnic Kurdish tendency, and likewise Zionism for the Jews.
 

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It isn’t erroneous for people to use “White” or “Black”, in such a basic manner, per se. Just established a appropriate context for those categories, for example my definition for someone who is “Black” is someone who is a undecided subset of Mankind that is “tropically” or “semi-tropically” adapted, independent of any genetic make up or place of origin, while my definition of someone who is “White”, is a variation of Mankind that is also undecided and not limited to your genetic makeup or simply your origin, but unlike my definition for “Black”, only possesses features first defined by the mainstream, which is a contradiction especially since East Asians are phenotypically distinct and fair skinned, along with the complex issue of the one dropped rule, which indicate that anyone with recent “Black” ancestors is deemed Black, which is basically another example of a problematic situation in defining race.

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I notice in this thread the common error of ascribing too much meaning to the bogus "racial" categories "white" and "black".

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It isn’t erroneous for people to use “White” or “Black”, in such a basic manner, per se. Just established a appropriate context for those categories, for example my definition for someone who is “Black” is someone who is a undecided subset of Mankind that is “tropically” or “semi-tropically” adapted, independent of any genetic make up or place of origin, while my definition of someone who is “White”, is a variation of Mankind that is also undecided and not limited to your genetic makeup or simply your origin, but unlike my definition for “Black”, only possesses features first defined by the mainstream, which is a contradiction especially since East Asians are phenotypically distinct and fair skinned, along with the complex issue of the one dropped rule, which indicate that anyone with recent “Black” ancestors is deemed Black, which is basically another example of a problematic situation in defining race.

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I notice in this thread the common error of ascribing too much meaning to the bogus "racial" categories "white" and "black".

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It isn’t erroneous for people to use “White” or “Black”, in such a basic manner, per se. Just established a appropriate context for those categories, for example my definition for someone who is “Black” is someone who is a undecided subset of Mankind that is “tropically” or “semi-tropically” adapted, independent of any genetic make up or place of origin, while my definition of someone who is “White”, is a variation of Mankind that is also undecided and not limited to your genetic makeup or simply your origin, but unlike my definition for “Black”, only possesses features first defined by the mainstream, which is a contradiction especially since East Asians are phenotypically distinct and fair skinned, along with the complex issue of the one dropped rule, which indicate that anyone with recent “Black” ancestors is deemed Black, which is basically another example of a problematic situation in defining race.

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Yes, it is all problematic. By your definition, you're including as "black" people who are not related, simply because they're in the tropics! That is not a coherent group in terms of anything but skin color, which really is a trivial human trait.

This nonsense was first established by Euroimperialists who made up the entire "race" notion, and the notion of "white" and "non-white" simply to rationalize their abuse of non-European peoples. They defined "non-white" as inferior, less civilized, etc., and so oh no the Euros aren't exploiting and robbing people worldwide, they're "civilizing" them.

For us to still use these terms is to validate that Eurocentric error and evil! There is no verifiable separation of the so-called "whites" from the rest of humanity. As you said, there are people just as light as most Europeans in northeastern Eurasia, and so which other criterion do we use in defining "white" people? Skull configurations? By that metric, very dark southern Indians would be "white". And so on...

In the USA I realize we have 2 ethnic groups who've lost most of their ancestral cultures, and so we lump them together as "whites" and "blacks". This distinction was codified in Virginia in the 17th century in order to disrupt solidarity between Euro and Afro-descended workers, and to facilitate the enslavement of the Africans. Prior to that, in the 13 Colonies, there was a time when most of the slaves were "white"!

The fact is, there is no such thing as a "white race" nor a "black race". It's all bull dooky. We're stuck now in the USA calling each other "black" and "white" because the 2 groups have no other ethnic identity, which is pathetic, really.

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Some images of ancient populations who lived at the Levant during that time.

Glazed image of bound Philistine Chief



Bound Asiatic captive

Bound Aegean captive


Aegean/Keftiu tribute bearers






Head of a Syrian
KhM 3896a
TILE; RAMESSES III/USERMAATRE-MERIAMUN
http://www.globalegyptianmuseum.org/record.aspx?id=4906


Head of a Beduin from Syria
KhM 3896b
TILE; RAMESSES III/USERMAATRE-MERIAMUN
http://www.globalegyptianmuseum.org/record.aspx?id=4907

Head of a Beduin from Syria
KhM 3896c
TILE; NEW KINGDOM
http://www.globalegyptianmuseum.org/record.aspx?id=4908


http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2010/oct/27/old-ale-beer-history
 

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Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
 
+1More.

A Syrian mercenary drinking beer in the company of his Egyptian wife and child, c. 1350 BC. Photograph: Bettmann/Corbis



http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2010/oct/27/old-ale-beer-history

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“Populations for which the ancient Caucasus genomes are best ancestral approximations include those of the Southern Caucasus and interestingly, South and Central Asia. Western Europe tends to be a mix of early farmers and western/eastern hunter-gatherers while Middle Eastern genomes are described as a mix of early farmers and Africans.

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Caucasus hunter-gatherer contribution to subsequent populations. We next explored the extent to which Bichon and CHG contributed to contemporary populations using outgroup f3(African; modern, ancient) statistics, which measure the shared genetic history between an ancient genome and a modern population since they diverged from an African outgroup.

Discussion

Given their geographic origin, it seems likely that CHG and EF are the descendants of early colonists from Africa who stopped south of the Caucasus, in an area stretching south to the Levant and possibly east towards Central and South Asia. WHG, on the other hand, are likely the descendants of a wave that expanded further into Europe. The separation of these populations is one that stretches back before the Holocene, as indicated by local continuity through the Late Palaeolithic/Mesolithic boundary and deep coalescence estimates, which date to around the LGM and earlier.”

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