In situ photographs of the Nimes burials, with a synthesis of age and sex of individuals, radiocarbon dates, maternal and paternal lineages. Note that the number near the funerary pit is the recording number of the picture. The stones around the burial SP7089 correspond to a roman wall and some stones were reused to close the funerary pit [Credit: Gleize et al.]
Brada. link is dead. Source?
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Brada. Got it through Google. Something to sink my teeth into. He is excerpt which I found interesting.
----------------------- Quote: THE EARLIEST MEDIEVAL MUSLIM GRAVES KNOWN IN FRANCE Five human bone fragments from the three graves underwent direct radiocarbon dating (S2 Table). The dates obtained, confirmed by TWO dating labs, cluster tightly and range between the 7th and the 8th centuries AD. These dates suggest that the remains are the earliest medieval Muslim graves known in France, considering the few other Islamic graves reported thus far in southeastern France were dated from the 13th century AD (in Marseille; [36]) and possibly from the 12th century AD (in Montpellier; [37–38]).
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Are they really Arab Muslims? Europeans are such delusional liars. First off, Islam inceptions wasn’t it `600AD? Ie the 7th Century AD. Yet these liars are attributing these burials as part of the Islamic Expansion. They know these people are Africans. They cannot deny that. So their spin/explanation is – they are part of the North African Islamic Expansion in Europe. The time line does not make sense. They are remnants of Black Europeans!! Can the history experts on this board prove I am wrong with the time line? They seem to be part of the late Neolithic package not “muslims”. In fact reading through text it seems they may even be Black Romans?
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Reading further. They realize they are open to criticism so they are CYAing. They speculate these people also may NOT be Muslims just regular black people in Europe. They know the dates do not corroborate their hypothesis. It is too early to be Muslims. They also acknowledge the Islamic practice may have been in Europe long before Islam was created. So classifying these people as “Muslims’ is an error. .
-------------- QUOTE cemetery of Plaza del Castillo in Pamplona (dating from the Conquest) adults of both sexes (with notably one female individual showing intentional dental modification testifying of an African origin) and children were discovered, suggesting that family groups or camp followers participated to the early Muslim population [40, 47]. Despite the low number of Muslim graves discovered, we believe that these observations provide strong evidence for either the establishment of a garrison or a more long-term establishment of Muslim communities in Nimes. Moreover, the results we discuss demonstrate that a few years after their integration into the Muslim world, North African populations were interred according to Islamic customs. This observation lends strong support to the quick conversion of the Berber populations and testifies to the *****velocity**** of the politico-religious changes involved in the Arab Conquest. The absence of other archeological testimony of the Islamic presence in Nimes can be easily explained by the brief Muslim occupation. We must nevertheless note that the archeological excavation at Place du Chapitre in the Nimes medieval center [49] resulted in the discovery of a grave in which the body was deposited on its right-hand side and was stratigraphically dated between the end of the 5th century and the 9th century AD. The question of the attribution of this grave to the Muslim occupation remains open. It is also worth noting that this subtle archeological testimony echoes the absence of any noticeable genetic heritage from these Muslim groups in the modern-day French population. The genetic impact of the Muslim occupation on the European gene pool has been assessed by analyzing the extant European gene pool (mainly from Southern Europe). For example, the analysis of extant populations in Iberia has noted the presence of mitochondrial haplogroups of North African origin at low frequencies. Authors have suggested that these lineages may have resulted from the Muslim occupation of the Peninsula but also from a more ancient gene flow that may have occurred during prehistoric times [50–51]. Apart from the
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But I have to give this group European researchers some credit. They did not hide the information. And they are open to the possibility these were NOT African Muslims but African colonist. The question is what happened to these Africans?
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Blacks have been in Europe since pre-history
----------- Quote: Romero A, Paz Mutilación dentaria en la necrópolis islámica de Plaza del Castillo (siglo VIII dC) de Pamplona
The typology of mutilated teeth (6 incisors and one canine) seems to correspond to type B and C (Romero Molina, 1986). The microscopic (SEM) reveals a type of technique in two parallel sos: percussion fracture and subsequent polishing. Some teeth have the finished art, other They may remain under fracture. Against filing techniques and material embedding yormente employed in Mesoamerica, Africa fracture technique (Lagunas documented and Karam, 2003; Romero Molina, 1958, 1986, Plénot, 1975; Tiesler et al. 2002) that "(...) consisted of gradually beat mesial and distal angles of the incisors to produce fractures tooth, and after the filing would whereby irregularities are smoothed tooth. " (Plénot, 1975: 22-23). Finally, we believe that the information provided in this paper on dental manipulations them with a clearly intentional, the isotope analysis performed (Prevedorou et al. 2008) as well as the chronology of the necropolis (VIII century AD), indicate that we are before the remains of women from, most likely from Africa, and possibly reached Pam plona part of a family group with the military mission control local revolts have been brought against the Islamic power ---------------
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Brada. link is dead. Source?
Sorry about that it's been posted over at ESR also here is a direct link. web page
Yeah about the find one of the reason I posted it was because I knew you break it down.
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
Xy-YT-hater,
No such thing as a Black European or Black Roman. NONE. BTW still waiting on you to answer my question. I'm curious have you told your White employer(provided he's White), White co-workers, White clients,suppsed White friends (we all know you really have none), White family members how you really feel about them? That you hate them? That they are inferior,ugly,talentless,diseased,wicked,evil,non-humans, have no history,no heritage,no identity,no place on earth they belong,no right to exist,no right to racial pride,their ancestors accomplished/built nothing,and they should just die already. Ohh and that their White children have no right to a future either. If not why not?
Ewww another name to add to the list.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Quote:
"The question of the attribution of this grave to the Muslim occupation remains open."
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In other words they are admitting these may not be muslims but STR8up African migrants..
Notice also, they admit that the "velocity" ie timeline may be too close to also be the spread of Islam.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Yes, Dhoxie. The guy I report to is white and we hang out together sometimes. Yes, I have white relatives and "some" friends. Not all white people are bad. Some try to be civil and control their xenophobia and psychosis. I appreciate that. Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
Xy-YT-hater,
You didn't answer my question, here it is again please do try answering it.
The question/questions...
Have you told your White employer, White co-workers, White clients,supposed White "friends" (we all know you really have none), White family members how you really feel about them? That you hate them? That they are inferior,ugly,talentless,diseased,wicked,evil,non-humans, have no history,no heritage,no identity,no place on earth they belong,no right to exist,no right to racial pride,their ancestors accomplished/built nothing,and they should just die already. Ohh and that their White children have no right to a future either. If not why not?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Early Medieval Muslim Graves in France: First Archaeological, Anthropological and Palaeogenomic Evidence Yves Gleize , Fanny Mendisco , Marie-Hélène Pemonge, Christophe Hubert, Alexis Groppi, Bertrand Houix, Marie-France Deguilloux, Jean-Yves Breuil
Published: February 24, 2016DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0148583
Abstract
The rapid Arab-Islamic conquest during the early Middle Ages led to major political and cultural changes in the Mediterranean world. Although the early medieval Muslim presence in the Iberian Peninsula is now well documented, based in the evaluation of archeological and historical sources, the Muslim expansion in the area north of the Pyrenees has only been documented so far through textual sources or rare archaeological data. Our study provides the first archaeo-anthropological testimony of the Muslim establishment in South of France through the multidisciplinary analysis of three graves excavated at Nimes. First, we argue in favor of burials that followed Islamic rites and then note the presence of a community practicing Muslim traditions in Nimes. Second, the radiometric dates obtained from all three human skeletons (between the 7th and the 9th centuries AD) echo historical sources documenting an early Muslim presence in southern Gaul (i.e., the first half of 8th century AD). Finally, palaeogenomic analyses conducted on the human remains provide arguments in favor of a North African ancestry of the three individuals, at least considering the paternal lineages. Given all of these data, we propose that the skeletons from the Nimes burials belonged to Berbers integrated into the Umayyad army during the Arab expansion in North Africa. Our discovery not only discusses the first anthropological and genetic data concerning the Muslim occupation of the Visigothic territory of Septimania but also highlights the complexity of the relationship between the two communities during this period.
Results and Discussion
Three burials with clear evidence of Muslim funerary customs
The graves SP7080, SP7089 and SP9269 present a number of common and specific characteristics that were not recorded in other medieval burials in this area. In each of the graves, the body, which may have been wrapped, was directly placed into the pit on its right-hand side facing southeast (in the direction of Mecca). The upper limbs were generally extended, and the lower limbs were extended and sometimes crossed. The burial practices and the position of the bodies clearly correspond to medieval and modern Muslim burial customs
Muslim presence confirmed by textual sources
Textual sources, specifically the Moissac and Uzès chronicles, offer a significant testimony to the complex and unstable historical context of the Nimes region during the early Middle Ages. They notably attest to a Muslim presence or travel in Nimes between 719 and 752 AD
Three adult males of North African ancestry
An anthropological analysis shows that the three skeletons are those of male adults (S1 File). Although it is difficult to be certain of the biological identity of these individuals, several anthropological characteristics can be highlighted. The skeletons did not show any marks indicating death resulting from fighting. The skeleton from SP7080 displayed an incomplete fusion between the right pisiform bone and the hamate bone (S2 Fig). This extremely rare fusion, mainly seen in African populations, suggests an African origin for the Nimes human remains (e.g., [41–42]).
Because the palaeogenomic data support a North African paternal ancestry of the three individuals from the graves, we believe that they were Berbers integrated into the Arab army during its rapid expansion through North Africa. Such conclusions are in perfect accordance with the ones deriving from the isotopic analyses conducted on two individuals from Plaza del Castillo in Pamplona [47].
North African haplotype E1b1b1b-M81 [12, 44] in all three males’ DNA samples (S3 Table).
If the paternal lineage E-M81 and the maternal lineage L1c3 characterized implies with a high degree of probability a North African origin for all Nimes individuals, we have to note that the large distribution of mtDNA lineages H1 and K (both in North Africa and Europe) do not permit to drive any clear conclusion concerning individuals' maternal ancestry. Indeed, the determination of these maternal lineages on Nimes burials may be both the result of a direct North African maternal origin and the result of admixture between migrating Muslims and local European women. If the low discriminatory power of mtDNA does not permit us to decide between both hypotheses, genome-wide data may permit to precise individuals' ancestries in the next future. Nevertheless, if admixture between Muslims and European women is well established for later al-Andalus periods (genetically established for sites in Andalusia dating to the 12th-13th centuries; [11]), such admixture had not been raised so far for the very first Muslim groups arriving in Europe. If admixture with local women was confirmed concerning Nimes individuals, these data would constitute the most ancient evidence of admixture in the al-Andalus context.
Apart from the mitochondrial haplogroup H1, the maternal and paternal lineages detected in the three Nimes individuals are relatively rare in modern-day France [52]. In comparison to the Iberian Peninsula or Italy, it appears clear that the genetic impact of the Arab rule was less significant in France.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
xyyman, switching topics for the moment. Is the average modern Egyptian primarily African?
(I said xyyman )
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: xyyman, switching topics for the moment. Is the average modern Egyptian primarily African?
(I said xyyman )
with unbiased SNP Cluster chart. At K2 Europeans are a depigmented subset of Africans as they should be based upon Geography.
correction on the chart. That should be "non-African"
Keep in mind when the chart says "African" They mean modern Africans because the purple(East Asian/Native American) ALSO has African origin. Because Africana also carry the purple SNPs albeit at low frequency. That is using frequency as a "label" to assign origin is absurd.
Modern Native Americans are least related to modern Africans.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
xyyman, switching topics for the moment. Is the average modern Egyptian primarily African?
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: xyyman, switching topics for the moment. Is the average modern Egyptian primarily African?
based upon DNATribes database, yes, they are primarily African. Sahara-Arabian are really Africans. The Saharan genes extend to Arabian desert. But of all North Africans they are Heavily admixed with West Asian ie Turks. Modern Egyptians are the most admixed of modern Africans but genetically they are 80% African. Notice Berbers are primarily African. The modern Moroccan Jews are Turks.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Notice DNATribes has separated modern Turks from Sahara-Arabians. Henn did the same thing in her studies. She made it clear the modern peoples of the Levant are not Arabs or the best representation of the original inhabitants. That is why she chose Qatar for her infamous "back-migration " study. She could not have chosen modern Levantines because she knew they are NOT the original inhabitants of the Levant and her theory would NOT hold up.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
As a believer in evolution. ALL children are important to our (human)species. So I do not dislike or want ill to our precious little ones. But Africans are pre-disposed with certain genetic advantages. Africans has a 150,000 years head start. Europeans are handicap by the numerous bottleneck and in-breeding. The Sun don't them any favors either.
There is no such thing as race. So I am not sure what you mean by "racial pride". If you mean human pride? I am with you.
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Xy-YT-hater,
You didn't answer my question, here it is again please do try answering it.
The question/questions...
Have you told your White employer, White co-workers, White clients,supposed White "friends" (we all know you really have none), White family members how you really feel about them? That you hate them? That they are inferior,ugly,talentless,diseased,wicked,evil,non-humans, have no history,no heritage,no identity,no place on earth they belong,no right to exist,no right to racial pride,their ancestors accomplished/built nothing,and they should just die already. Ohh and that their White children have no right to a future either. If not why not?
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
@ Lioness. Notice also. modern Egyptians carry the least amount of SSA ancestry which corroborates the hypothesis the Amarnas are most closely related to SSA and NOT modern Egyptians. It is all coming together.
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Why you guys letting Lioness derail the thread.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
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Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Brada. Got it through Google. Something to sink my teeth into. He is excerpt which I found interesting.
Remember, the Roman army had Africans as well. Read more about the Roman army and expansion.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Notice DNATribes has separated modern Turks from Sahara-Arabians. Henn did the same thing in her studies. She made it clear the modern peoples of the Levant are not Arabs or the best representation of the original inhabitants. That is why she chose Qatar for her infamous "back-migration " study. She could not have chosen modern Levantines because she knew they are NOT the original inhabitants of the Levant and her theory would NOT hold up.
Some people tend to confuse them. There sould be a third group, the Arabized-Turks.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: @ Lioness. Notice also. modern Egyptians carry the least amount of SSA ancestry which corroborates the hypothesis the Amarnas are most closely related to SSA and NOT modern Egyptians. It is all coming together.
That depends on what is considered SSA ancestry. The dominant clade is E-M78. Which originated from SSA people.
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: xyyman, switching topics for the moment. Is the average modern Egyptian primarily African?
based upon DNATribes database, yes, they are primarily African. Sahara-Arabian are really Africans. The Saharan genes extend to Arabian desert. But of all North Africans they are Heavily admixed with West Asian ie Turks. Modern Egyptians are the most admixed of modern Africans but genetically they are 80% African. Notice Berbers are primarily African. The modern Moroccan Jews are Turks.
Islamic Empire
Umayyad Caliphate/including Moorish conquest of Spain
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source populations of "saharan-arabians"
brada, this is not a derail xyyman subscribes to this DNA Tribes break down of of what they call "saharan-arabian" . These graves in France also are believed to be people who came from this region
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Right. Observe that the Sahara extends into Arabia. And tropical(SSA) Africa extends into Yemen and into the tip of Persia. The “natural” skin tone for the Arabians and Southern Persian is black. The is why to this day there is indigenous E1b1a and other SSA genetic material found in Persia and Yemen. Further north is the peoples of the deserts of the Sahara and Arabia desert. Indigenous Arabians are very similar to Africans. Eg yDNA-J1 stretches across the Sahara in Arabia and Yemen. Same for E1b1b. Further south you get E1b1a on both sides of the Red Sea. J2 are the ‘foreign” material in Africa. Notice the Turks/Jews J2 is localized. It is NOT widely distributed which is indicative of invaders.
Observe also. Amazigh carry no Turks/Levant ancestry. So, forget what you have read in history books. This is what the data shows. Now keep in mind Amazigh and Turks may be mis-indentified one for the other. I have never been to these countries so I don’t know what the indigenous people look like but clearly the Berbers are pure African while the Turks are not.
Here is another eye opener. Remember my story about the soccer player Ronaldo having Berber ancestry? Well looking at some BPL soccer over the weekend on NBC. I noticed one player having some odd features so I am trying to get my hands on his background. No luck so. The player is Hector Bellerin of Arsenal. The dude is odd looking. He is extremely extremely pale. Almost sickenly white. Yet when you look at him he has African features, besides being lightening fast. He has the characteristic long head and full lips. I am thinking he is Basque or Berber. The picture Sergi presented in the Mediterranean Race.
Posted by DD'eDeN (Member # 21966) on :
Xyyman: "Amazigh carry no Turks/Levant ancestry."
Yeah Mon.
Amazigh = Amharic Tuareg = Tigrinha
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
In this instance table we are talking SNPs not haplogroups. Of course ALL SNP has an African origin so they are using frequency to assign the labels.
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: @ Lioness. Notice also. modern Egyptians carry the least amount of SSA ancestry which corroborates the hypothesis the Amarnas are most closely related to SSA and NOT modern Egyptians. It is all coming together.
That depends on what is considered SSA ancestry. The dominant clade is E-M78. Which originated from SSA people.
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
quote:Originally posted by DD'eDeN: Xyyman: "Amazigh carry no Turks/Levant ancestry."
Yeah Mon.
Amazigh = Amharic Tuareg = Tigrinha
Amharic and Tigrinha are Semitic languages and are not related to these Berber languages.
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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: I noticed one player having some odd features so I am trying to get my hands on his background. No luck so. The player is Hector Bellerin of Arsenal. The dude is odd looking. He is extremely extremely pale. Almost sickenly white. Yet when you look at him he has African features, besides being lightening fast. He has the characteristic long head and full lips. I am thinking he is Basque or Berber. The picture Sergi presented in the Mediterranean Race.
Get a new T.V. or new Glasses.
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Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by DD'eDeN: Amazigh = Amharic Tuareg = Tigrinha
Amazigh = possibly meaning "free people" or "free and noble men" (the word has probably an ancient parallel in the Roman name for some of the Berbers, "Mazices".
However, WHITE AND MULATTO Amazigh have NOTHING to do with Berbers, Arabs, or Ethiopians.
February 4, 2011
Touareg reject allegations of the Congress Amazigh World that the Tuareg people are Amazigh.
THE LETTER:
From: Mr. Mansour Mohamed Ali Ag Hudyata his capacity as Chairman of the Assembly of Mali called "Youth Society North of the Republic of Mali", rejects the allegations of the World Amazigh Congress, that the Tuareg people are Amazigh.
The Assembly of the Republic of Mali Youth North strongly rejects such nonsense and false stories claimed by Congress Amazigh World through the media that the Tuareg of Mali and Niger, are Amazigh, and stresses that this claim is false is not based on a scientific basis.
And that Mr. Belkacem Lyons specializes in chemistry who viewed this trend shameless does not have any historical background to prove this myth, but proven by all history books, trusted that the Tuareg are of Arab descent, and crafts Targi has to do with Arabic calligraphy, this is the asset Targip known since a long time immemorial, and we believe such stories would fall within the Tuareg of the elements of client-related third-party suspicious.
And thus confirm and strongly that we will not allow the Congress of the World Amazigh has nothing to do with us as an intervention in our affairs and talk about our origins, this we, children of the Tuareg in Kidal, Gao and Timbuktu, we are proud Bootanna (Mali and Niger) to which we belong, and our religion, Islam, and declare that our is to achieve security and stability, peace and development in the Sahara for the happiness of our peoples and coexistence with the sons of the tribes of the Sahara, and that this is the position of all the Tuareg, who are struggling to achieve, and to work strenuously for it in every time and place.
Mansour Mohamed Ali Ag Hudyata President of the General Assembly
The World Amazigh Congress is an international organization which aims to protect and promote awareness of the Berber people's identity and culture, across North Africa.
Clearly what the The World Amazigh Congress is trying to do, is what the FAKE JEW Khazars have none: That is, use the media of their fellow Albinos to usurp and take over the identity of Berbers, just like their fellow Turks have done to Egyptians, Arabs, etc. Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: WHITE AND MULATTO Amazigh have NOTHING to do with Berbers, Arabs, or Ethiopians.
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THESE ARE "BERBERS"!
THESE ARE THE "Amazigh".
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Clearly some of the "Amazigh" are "PURE" Albino, and some are clearly "MULATTO".
SO "WHO" ARE THEY????
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The Vandals
The Vandals were an Germanic tribe from Asia, that entered the late Roman Empire during the 5th century, perhaps best known for their sack of Rome in 455. Although they were not notably more destructive than other invaders of ancient times, Renaissance and Early Modern writers who idealized Rome tended to blame the Vandals for its destruction. According to Procopius, the Vandals came to Africa at the request of Bonifacius, the military ruler of the region. However, it has been suggested that the Vandals migrated to Africa in search of safety; they had been attacked by a Roman army in 422 and had failed to seal a treaty with them. Led by their king, Gaiseric, some 80,000 Vandals, crossed into Africa from Spain in 429. Advancing eastwards along the coast, the Vandals lay siege to Hippo Regius in 430. Inside Saint Augustine and his priests prayed for relief from the invaders, knowing full well that the fall of the city would spell conversion or death for many Roman Christians. On 28 August 430, three months into the siege, St. Augustine (who was 75 years old) died, perhaps from starvation or stress, as the wheat fields outside the city lay dormant and unharvested. After 14 months, hunger and the inevitable diseases were ravaging both the city inhabitants and the Vandals outside the city walls.
Peace was made between the Romans and the Vandals in 435 through a treaty giving the Vandals control of coastal Numidia. Geiseric chose to break the treaty in 439 when he invaded the province of Africa Proconsularis and laid siege to Carthage. The city was captured without a fight; the Vandals entered the city while most of the inhabitants were attending the races at the hippodrome. Genseric made it his capital, and styled himself the King of the Vandals and Alans, to denote the inclusion of the Alans of north Africa into his alliance. The Goth leader Theodoric the Great, king of the Ostrogoths and regent of the Visigoths, was allied by marriage with the Vandals as well as with the Burgundians and the Franks under Clovis I. Like the Goths, the Vandals, were continuators rather than violaters of Roman culture in Late Antiquity. Soon independent kingdoms emerged in mountainous and desert areas, towns were overrun, and the Berbers, who had previously been pushed to the edges of the Roman Empire, returned. Although the Vandals fended off attacks from the Romans and established hegemony over the islands of the western Mediterranean, they were less successful in their conflict with the Berbers. Situated south of the Vandal kingdom, the Berbers inflicted two major defeats on the Vandals in the period 496–530
Posted by DD'eDeN (Member # 21966) on :
quote: Originally posted by DD'eDeN: Xyyman: "Amazigh carry no Turks/Levant ancestry."
Dr. Winters: "Amharic and Tigrinha are Semitic languages and are not related to these Berber languages."
Note: Dhofar mtns., Oman are etym linked to Darfur mtns., Sudan.
Note: Asar is not wrong in claiming that ancient Ethiopia was in Today's Sudan, the ancient Greek writers were not wrong in claiming that Ethiopians lived along the southern Black Sea, Legesse is not wrong in claiming that ancient Ethiopia includes modern Ethiopia, since Ethiopia means high(lands): Tiop = tien(CH)/zion(H), Tepe/tipi/topi/table/nipple/ripa(rian)...
See this new article:
Indigenous Arabs are descendants of the earliest split from ancient Eurasian populations
Juan L Rodriguez-Flores cs 2016 http://www.genome.org/cgi/doi/10.1101/gr.191478.115 ... Arabia was the initial site of the Out-of-Africa migrations between 125 & 60 ka: were the first Eurasian populations established in Arabia? are contemporary indigenous Arabs direct descendants of these ancient peoples?
... we sequenced the entire genomes of 104 unrelated natives of the Arabian Peninsula at high coverage, incl.56 of indigenous Arab ancestry. The indigenous Arab genomes defined a cluster, distinct from other ancestral groups, and these genomes showed clear hallmarks of an ancient Out-of-Africa bottleneck. Similar to other Middle Eastern populations, the indigenous Arabs had higher levels of Neanderthal admixture, compared to Africans, but had lower levels than Europeans & Asians. These levels of Hn admixture are consistent with an early divergence of Arab ancestors, after the Out-of-Africa bottleneck, but before the major Hn admixture events in Europe & other regions of Eurasia. When compared to worldwide populations sampled (1000-Genomes Project), although the indigenous Arabs had a signal of admixture with Europeans, they clustered in a basal, outgroup position to all 1000-Genomes non-Africans, when considering pairwise similarity across the entire genome. These results place indigenous Arabs as the most distant relatives of all other contemporary non-Africans, and identify these people as direct descendants of the first Eurasian populations established by the Out-of-Africa migrations.
Note: deyiremeda (Afar) close kin
Extremely ancient proto-humans of Ethiopia/Tip-Top
Tephrostratigraphy of the Waki-Mille area of the Woranso-Mille paleoanthropological research project, Afar, Ethiopia Beverly Z Saylor cs 2016 JHE 93:25–45 doi 10.1016/j.jhevol.2015.12.007
Tephra geo-chemistry & 40/39Ar geo-chronology are reported for the Waki-Mille area in the NW-part of the Woranso-Mille paleo-anthropological project area in the west central Afar region. Previous studies documented - dento-gnathic fossils that are morphologically intermediate between Au.anamensis & afarensis & - some that are attributed to afarensis, - ddditional dento-gnathic remains from the study area were assigned to the newly identified species Au.deyiremeda.
These fossil hominin taxa were recovered from volcanic & sedimentary strata, containing tuffs ranging from >3.77 to <3.469 Ma.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Yeah. You are right. I probably need new glasses. Lol! But I was proven correct with the Ronaldo dude. On ESR I was laughed at by this character when I suggested that Ronaldo has Berber ancestry. When I completed my research, you know what?, I was proven correct. I am gaining an eye for these things now. Apparently Ronaldo mother is indigenous to the Canary Islands, added to that he, Ronaldo, is called “nigga’ in certain circles. The Spanish knew something I did not. Of course the character in ESR shut his mouth after this information was disclosed.
So , I am making a similar observation(for Bellerin) aside from the freakish pale skin tone, he has some “Negroid” features. Some Tunisians have similar features. Anyone knows his parental background? I am going out on a limb here.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: I noticed one player having some odd features so I am trying to get my hands on his background. No luck so. The player is Hector Bellerin of Arsenal. The dude is odd looking. He is extremely extremely pale. Almost sickenly white. Yet when you look at him he has African features, besides being lightening fast. He has the characteristic long head and full lips. I am thinking he is Basque or Berber. The picture Sergi presented in the Mediterranean Race.
Get a new T.V. or new Glasses.
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Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
Those Amazigh look awfully like Indians from India, specially South Indians. I am referring to the two men sitting near the camel.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter: Those Amazigh look awfully like Indians from India, specially South Indians. I am referring to the two men sitting near the camel.
Yes they do, but pray tell, what is unusual about a Caucasian Black in Africa?
See how the Albinos media has skewed you concepts of what the worlds Black people look like?
You must take this very seriously, it is part of the Albinos schemes.
Remember when Albino scientific papers identified remains as Black based on whether or not the Jaw was PROGNATHOUS?
The point is to never trust Albino say so, get proof.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
From: Mr. Mansour Mohamed Ali Ag Hudyata his capacity as Chairman of the Assembly of Mali called "Youth Society North of the Republic of Mali", rejects the allegations of the World Amazigh Congress, that the Tuareg people are Amazigh.
there is no "Youth Society North of the Republic of Mali", this is fake
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
You are right Mike. No "negroid" ancestry... But he looks like he wants to go black. lol! Look at the tail on that...shyte
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Fuch him, why Jocks always get the best tail?
Posted by DD'eDeN (Member # 21966) on :
Aside from his lower lip and Arsenal team, I would have guessed he was from Georgia (Caucasus). Compare to Joseph Stalin's picture in his youth.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
From: Mr. Mansour Mohamed Ali Ag Hudyata his capacity as Chairman of the Assembly of Mali called "Youth Society North of the Republic of Mali", rejects the allegations of the World Amazigh Congress, that the Tuareg people are Amazigh.
there is no "Youth Society North of the Republic of Mali", this is fake
So, basically you're saying that there is no Youth and no Society at the North of Mali, correct?
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
Xy-YT-hater & Mike,
Congrats on proving me right about what I've said about Black men ya pervs. Shame on you two perving on another man's woman.
Xy-YT-hater, you still haven't answered my question. Again have you told the White people in your life how you really feel about them?
Posted by Snakepit1 (Member # 21736) on :
That woman ain't black and that football player doesn't look black either. You guys are projecting. Here's a black Arsenal player, just for reference: Mr. Danny Welbeck
Oh, and CR7 (Cristiano Ronaldo) TANS. This is his original complexion:
Here he is with his equally pale-skinned mother and darker son who's mother has never been identified (I'm guessing she's like one of those pale brazilian mulatas or something like that)
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
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Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
@Snakepit. I am of the view it is a continuum. Starting from SSA to Northern Europe. Did you follow the discussion on ESR on Ronaldo. His mother is an Indigenous Canary Islander. These people are Africans carring PN2. I noted his facial structure and was bang on. Ronaldo is called a "nigga" by some fans. Do you wonder why? Many indigenous Africans are light skinned.
I am speculating this Bellerin guy is Basque or Berber ancestry.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
What do you think Ralph? He has some "Negro" in him or what? We know she does with a tail like that. She is blessed.
Hey, I am only admiring.
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Xy-YT-hater & Mike,
Congrats on proving me right about what I've said about Black men ya pervs. Shame on you two perving on another man's woman.
Xy-YT-hater, you still haven't answered my question. Again have you told the White people in your life how you really feel about them?
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Want more proof that it is a continuum?
Here...fresh off the press. Understand now what the authors are trying to do. I have said it all along. Swenet can attest to that when he said it was incredulous. Henn made it clear in one of her studies. The Nile was a barrier controlled by SSAians. She, Henn stated the LWK(Luyha) are ancestral to North Africans who are in turn ancestral to Southern Europeans. Some studies have observed a split along the Nile. That is why mtDNA H is rare in Egypt while hg-L dominates. The Maasai are ancestral to Egyptians but not the Luyha states Henn. Here is the latest study confirming what I said. Keep in mind the authors did a "switcheroo". They used genetics to make the connection between Luyha and Europeans. Then switched to **geography*** to make the "middle east" the migration point. They did not use genetic connection in the middle east to ascribe migration route. They are saying that the Luyha are East Africans so the migration point had to be through the East(middle East).. They admit that Yorubans and Luyha, two SSA bantus groups have, genetic influence in Europeans. But since Luyha(who inhabit the East ) has MORE genetic influence the migration point had to be through the middle East. They did not include Maghrebians as Henn did. These slick white people. Tsk! Tsk!
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Atlas of Cryptic Genetic Relatedness Among 1000 Human Genomes Larisa Fedorova1*, Shuhao Qiu2,3, Rajib Dutta4, and Alexei Fedorov2,3*-
Date: 2016
A novel computational method for detecting identical-by-descent (IBD) chromosomal segments between sequenced genomes is presented. It utilizes the distribution patterns of very rare genetic variants (vrGVs), which have minor allele frequencies less than 0.2%. Contrary to the existing probabilistic approaches our method is rather deterministic, because it considers a group of very rare events which cannot happen together only by chance. This method has been applied for exhaustive computational search of shared IBD segments among 1092 sequenced individuals from 14 populations. It demonstrated that clusters of vrGVs are unique and powerful markers of genetic relatedness, that uncover IBD chromosomal segments between and within populations, irrespective of whether divergence was recent or occurred hundreds-to-thousands of years ago. We found that several IBD segments are shared by practically any possible pair of individuals belonging to the same population. Moreover, shared short IBD segments (median size 183 Kb) were found in 10% of inter-continental human pairs, each comprising of a person from Sub-Saharan Africa and a person from Southern Europe. The shortest shared IBD segments (median size 54 Kb) were found in 0.42% of inter-continental pairs composed of individuals from Chinese/Japanese populations and Africans from Kenya and Nigeria. Knowledge of inheritance of IBD segments is important in clinical case-control and cohort studies, since unknown distant familial relationships could compromise interpretation of collected data. Clusters of vrGVs should be useful markers for familial relationship and common multifactorial disorders.
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
Or he could really be, the descendants remnants of the albino's of the original black settlers of Europe as I had explained to people here multiple times through my theory of a high plausibility of that.
The Basque have a lot of "black" features as well as a lot of spaniards, despite having no admixture with them.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
MOM and xyyman - you're both starting to say some stupid stuff, why not think about it first before you say it.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
Here he is with his equally pale-skinned mother and darker son who's mother has never been identified (I'm guessing she's like one of those pale brazilian mulatas or something like that)
What people say here is that there is obvious lineage.
Posted by Snakepit1 (Member # 21736) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: @Snakepit. I am of the view it is a continuum. Starting from SSA to Northern Europe. Did you follow the discussion on ESR on Ronaldo. His mother is an Indigenous Canary Islander. These people are Africans carring PN2. I noted his facial structure and was bang on. Ronaldo is called a "nigga" by some fans. Do you wonder why? Many indigenous Africans are light skinned.
I am speculating this Bellerin guy is Basque or Berber ancestry.
I see absolutely NOTHING in him that would imply that he'd be of African descent. Besides, a haplogroup doesn't amount to much since it's only taking one "line" into account (patrilineal/matrilineal line) . Only an autosomal test would suffice.
I don't know what my mtdna &y-dna haplogroups are, but I could obviously create a legacy of (male) children who presumably, would bring forth an African y-dna haplogroup, even though they look white/east asian etc..
African people (whatever that is) aren't the only ones with low nose-bridges/full-lips or whatever...
Come on now!
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
quote:Originally posted by Snakepit1:
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: @Snakepit. I am of the view it is a continuum. Starting from SSA to Northern Europe. Did you follow the discussion on ESR on Ronaldo. His mother is an Indigenous Canary Islander. These people are Africans carring PN2. I noted his facial structure and was bang on. Ronaldo is called a "nigga" by some fans. Do you wonder why? Many indigenous Africans are light skinned.
I am speculating this Bellerin guy is Basque or Berber ancestry.
I see absolutely NOTHING in him that would imply that he'd be of African descent. Besides, a haplogroup doesn't amount to much since it's only taking one "line" into account (patrilineal/matrilineal line) . Only an autosomal test would suffice.
I don't know what my mtdna &y-dna haplogroups are, but I could obviously create a legacy of (male) children who presumably, would bring forth an African y-dna haplogroup, even though they look white/east asian etc..
African people (whatever that is) aren't the only ones with low nose-bridges/full-lips or whatever...
Come on now!
He is an albino remnant of the first black settlers of Europe! You know those black European settles had their own albino populations too!
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