if the ancient Greeks were white, is there any evidence in their literature where they get sun burned? whats the Ancient Greek word for sunburn?
if you wish to answer this question please post your reference
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
who is that? and what does he have to do with ancient Greeks?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
He's a Greek dude maybe some ancient Greeks looked liked him, what's the problem?
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
how do you know he's indigenous to Greece? and how do you know he doesn't get sunburn?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by the questioner: how do you know he's indigenous to Greece? and how do you know he doesn't get sunburn?
I didn't say whether or not he could get sunburn or not
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
then why did you post him if he is irrelevant to my question?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
because your question is based on a false premise
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
how is it false?
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
i don't get it if you think my question is based on false premise then why did you post something irrelevant to prove it wrong
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
It is based on the idea that people are white
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
Do you have any ancient contemporary reference to prove that ancient Greeks get sunburn?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by the questioner: Do you have any ancient contemporary reference to prove that ancient Greeks get sunburn?
Thomas Van Nortwick did not live in antiquity please try again be sure to put it in original classical greek
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Euripides, Bacchae 443-460
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
the word burn, scorched, or pain is no where mentioned in this quote
its talking about a tan not a burn
please try again
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by the questioner: the word burn is no where mentioned in this quote
its talking about a tan not a burn
please try again
prove it, what word in ancient Greek are you referring to?
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
σκιᾶς
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
λευκὴν
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Greece is at the same latitude as Central Asia and Spain so the sunlight intensity is similar
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
Ancient Greeks were largely naked not heavily clothed like the people who occupy greece today
before sunscreen
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Greece is at the same latitude as Central Asia and Spain so the sunlight intensity is similar
False, Greece is surrounded by water and mountains which would affect the amount of sunlight they get. Central Asia is not a country, it's a vast region bigger then the United states, when you include Northern Afghanistan, Central Russia, Northern Iran, Western China, the Black Sea area etc etc.
That region of the world does not have the same sunlight levels as Greece SORRY!
And that Tan quote is made up, all the evidence shows the Ancient Greeks were a brown and black people!
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
just because some Greeks were describe as being black and brown that doesn't mean they were African
but it definitely means they are not white/Caucasian
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by the questioner: just because some Greeks were describe as being black and brown that doesn't mean they were African
but it definitely means they are not white/Caucasian
why are you still using the word "white" ?
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
because its a political term that denotes modern Europeans
why do you keep showing that picture? when you can't prove he's an indigenous greek
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Greece is at the same latitude as Central Asia and Spain so the sunlight intensity is similar
False, Greece is surrounded by water and mountains which would affect the amount of sunlight they get. Central Asia is not a country, it's a vast region bigger then the United states, when you include Northern Afghanistan, Central Russia, Northern Iran, Western China, the Black Sea area etc etc.
That region of the world does not have the same sunlight levels as Greece SORRY!
And that Tan quote is made up, all the evidence shows the Ancient Greeks were a brown and black people!
Constantine II of Greece
This man's skin is not white and he has the ability to survive in Greece
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Greece is at the same latitude as Central Asia and Spain so the sunlight intensity is similar
False, Greece is surrounded by water and mountains which would affect the amount of sunlight they get. Central Asia is not a country, it's a vast region bigger then the United states, when you include Northern Afghanistan, Central Russia, Northern Iran, Western China, the Black Sea area etc etc.
That region of the world does not have the same sunlight levels as Greece SORRY!
And that Tan quote is made up, all the evidence shows the Ancient Greeks were a brown and black people!
He has a reddish complexion not brown or black
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Greece is at the same latitude as Central Asia and Spain so the sunlight intensity is similar
False, Greece is surrounded by water and mountains which would affect the amount of sunlight they get. Central Asia is not a country, it's a vast region bigger then the United states, when you include Northern Afghanistan, Central Russia, Northern Iran, Western China, the Black Sea area etc etc.
That region of the world does not have the same sunlight levels as Greece SORRY!
And that Tan quote is made up, all the evidence shows the Ancient Greeks were a brown and black people!
He has a reddish complexion not brown or black
This man's skin is not white and he has the ability to survive in Greece
Posted by kdolo (Member # 21830) on :
Is that supposed to be a "brown or black" ?
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Greece is at the same latitude as Central Asia and Spain so the sunlight intensity is similar
False, Greece is surrounded by water and mountains which would affect the amount of sunlight they get. Central Asia is not a country, it's a vast region bigger then the United states, when you include Northern Afghanistan, Central Russia, Northern Iran, Western China, the Black Sea area etc etc.
That region of the world does not have the same sunlight levels as Greece SORRY!
And that Tan quote is made up, all the evidence shows the Ancient Greeks were a brown and black people!
He has a reddish complexion not brown or black
This man's skin is not white and he has the ability to survive in Greece
prove to me that he doesn't get sunburn
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by kdolo: Is that supposed to be a "brown or black" ?
This man's skin is brown
Sometimes in 18th century Europe and earlier they would refer to his complexion as "black"
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by kdolo: Is that supposed to be a "brown or black" ?
This man's skin is brown
Sometimes in 18th century Europe and earlier they would refer to his complexion as "black"
name one person in the 18th century or earlier who looked like him that was called "black"
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
if you can't provide a quote mentioning sunburn i rest my case
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by kdolo: Is that supposed to be a "brown or black" ?
This man's skin is brown
Sometimes in 18th century Europe and earlier they would refer to his complexion as "black"
name one person in the 18th century or earlier who looked like him that was called "black"
in the English language black can also mean white or pale
black (adj.) Look up black at Dictionary.com Old English blęc "dark," from Proto-Germanic *blakaz "burned" (cognates: Old Norse blakkr "dark," Old High German blah "black," Swedish bläck "ink," Dutch blaken "to burn"), from PIE *bhleg- "to burn, gleam, shine, flash" (cognates: Greek phlegein "to burn, scorch," Latin flagrare "to blaze, glow, burn"), from root *bhel- (1) "to shine, flash, burn;" see bleach (v.).
The same root produced Old English blac "bright, shining, glittering, pale;" the connecting notions being, perhaps, "fire" (bright) and "burned" (dark). The usual Old English word for "black" was sweart (see swart). According to OED: "In ME. it is often doubtful whether blac, blak, blake, means 'black, dark,' or 'pale, colourless, wan, livid.' " Used of dark-skinned people in Old English.
bleach (v.) Look up bleach at Dictionary.com Old English blęcan "bleach, whiten," from Proto-Germanic *blaikjan "to make white" (cognates: Old Saxon blek, Old Norse bleikr, Dutch bleek, Old High German bleih, German bleich "pale;" Old Norse bleikja, Dutch bleken, German bleichen "to bleach"), from PIE root *bhel- (1) "to shine, flash, burn" (cognates: Sanskrit bhrajate "shines;" Greek phlegein "to burn;" Latin flamma "flame," fulmen "lightning," fulgere "to shine, flash," flagrare "to burn;" Old Church Slavonic belu "white;" Lithuanian balnas "pale").
The same root probably produced black; perhaps because both black and white are colorless, or because both are associated with burning. Compare Old English scimian, related to the source of shine (n.), meaning both "to shine" and "to dim, grow dusky, grow dark." Related: Bleached; bleaching.
ancient Greek word Melas never meant bright or white
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
i rest my case
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
Is that evidence? LOL
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the questioner: in the English language black can also mean white or pale
black (adj.) Look up black at Dictionary.com Old English blęc "dark," from Proto-Germanic *blakaz "burned" (cognates: Old Norse blakkr "dark," Old High German blah "black," Swedish bläck "ink," Dutch blaken "to burn"), from PIE *bhleg- "to burn, gleam, shine, flash" (cognates: Greek phlegein "to burn, scorch," Latin flagrare "to blaze, glow, burn"), from root *bhel- (1) "to shine, flash, burn;" see bleach (v.).
The same root produced Old English blac "bright, shining, glittering, pale;" the connecting notions being, perhaps, "fire" (bright) and "burned" (dark). The usual Old English word for "black" was sweart (see swart). According to OED: "In ME. it is often doubtful whether blac, blak, blake, means 'black, dark,' or 'pale, colourless, wan, livid.' " Used of dark-skinned people in Old English.
bleach (v.) Look up bleach at Dictionary.com Old English blęcan "bleach, whiten," from Proto-Germanic *blaikjan "to make white" (cognates: Old Saxon blek, Old Norse bleikr, Dutch bleek, Old High German bleih, German bleich "pale;" Old Norse bleikja, Dutch bleken, German bleichen "to bleach"), from PIE root *bhel- (1) "to shine, flash, burn" (cognates: Sanskrit bhrajate "shines;" Greek phlegein "to burn;" Latin flamma "flame," fulmen "lightning," fulgere "to shine, flash," flagrare "to burn;" Old Church Slavonic belu "white;" Lithuanian balnas "pale").
The same root probably produced black; perhaps because both black and white are colorless, or because both are associated with burning. Compare Old English scimian, related to the source of shine (n.), meaning both "to shine" and "to dim, grow dusky, grow dark." Related: Bleached; bleaching.
ancient Greek word Melas never meant bright or white
In many languages these terms/ definitions are relative.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
I assume you all understand that the degenerate lying Albino lioness, is trying to fool you by superimposing a real and legitimate quote from Macky's Memoirs onto a "FAKE White" portrait of Charles Lennox.
Ordinarily when posters do things like that, they are banned from the forum.
.
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: I assume you all understand that the degenerate lying Albino lioness, is trying to fool you by superimposing a real and legitimate quote from Macky's Memoirs onto a "FAKE White" portrait of Charles Lennox.
Ordinarily when posters do things like that, they are banned from the forum.
.
what evidence do you have that this painting is fake
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the questioner: in the English language black can also mean white or pale
black (adj.) Look up black at Dictionary.com Old English blęc "dark," from Proto-Germanic *blakaz "burned" (cognates: Old Norse blakkr "dark," Old High German blah "black," Swedish bläck "ink," Dutch blaken "to burn"), from PIE *bhleg- "to burn, gleam, shine, flash" (cognates: Greek phlegein "to burn, scorch," Latin flagrare "to blaze, glow, burn"), from root *bhel- (1) "to shine, flash, burn;" see bleach (v.).
The same root produced Old English blac "bright, shining, glittering, pale;" the connecting notions being, perhaps, "fire" (bright) and "burned" (dark). The usual Old English word for "black" was sweart (see swart). According to OED: "In ME. it is often doubtful whether blac, blak, blake, means 'black, dark,' or 'pale, colourless, wan, livid.' " Used of dark-skinned people in Old English.
bleach (v.) Look up bleach at Dictionary.com Old English blęcan "bleach, whiten," from Proto-Germanic *blaikjan "to make white" (cognates: Old Saxon blek, Old Norse bleikr, Dutch bleek, Old High German bleih, German bleich "pale;" Old Norse bleikja, Dutch bleken, German bleichen "to bleach"), from PIE root *bhel- (1) "to shine, flash, burn" (cognates: Sanskrit bhrajate "shines;" Greek phlegein "to burn;" Latin flamma "flame," fulmen "lightning," fulgere "to shine, flash," flagrare "to burn;" Old Church Slavonic belu "white;" Lithuanian balnas "pale").
The same root probably produced black; perhaps because both black and white are colorless, or because both are associated with burning. Compare Old English scimian, related to the source of shine (n.), meaning both "to shine" and "to dim, grow dusky, grow dark." Related: Bleached; bleaching.
ancient Greek word Melas never meant bright or white
In many languages these terms/ definitions are relative.
can you give examples?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
.
"...Black complexion, much like King Charles" ^
Charles II of England by John Michael Wright
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: .
"...Black complexion, much like King Charles" ^
Charles II of England by John Michael Wright
in the English language black can also mean white or pale
black (adj.) Look up black at Dictionary.com Old English blęc "dark," from Proto-Germanic *blakaz "burned" (cognates: Old Norse blakkr "dark," Old High German blah "black," Swedish bläck "ink," Dutch blaken "to burn"), from PIE *bhleg- "to burn, gleam, shine, flash" (cognates: Greek phlegein "to burn, scorch," Latin flagrare "to blaze, glow, burn"), from root *bhel- (1) "to shine, flash, burn;" see bleach (v.).
The same root produced Old English blac "bright, shining, glittering, pale;" the connecting notions being, perhaps, "fire" (bright) and "burned" (dark). The usual Old English word for "black" was sweart (see swart). According to OED: "In ME. it is often doubtful whether blac, blak, blake, means 'black, dark,' or 'pale, colourless, wan, livid.' " Used of dark-skinned people in Old English.
bleach (v.) Look up bleach at Dictionary.com Old English blęcan "bleach, whiten," from Proto-Germanic *blaikjan "to make white" (cognates: Old Saxon blek, Old Norse bleikr, Dutch bleek, Old High German bleih, German bleich "pale;" Old Norse bleikja, Dutch bleken, German bleichen "to bleach"), from PIE root *bhel- (1) "to shine, flash, burn" (cognates: Sanskrit bhrajate "shines;" Greek phlegein "to burn;" Latin flamma "flame," fulmen "lightning," fulgere "to shine, flash," flagrare "to burn;" Old Church Slavonic belu "white;" Lithuanian balnas "pale").
The same root probably produced black; perhaps because both black and white are colorless, or because both are associated with burning. Compare Old English scimian, related to the source of shine (n.), meaning both "to shine" and "to dim, grow dusky, grow dark." Related: Bleached; bleaching.
ancient Greek word Melas never meant bright or white Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
what evidence do you have that this painting is fake
. questioner - You are starting to get on my nerves. I do NOT like purposeful stupidity, such as lioness uses and which now YOU are starting to exhibit.
But in the interest of peace, I will assume that you really are stupid:
In which case I will point out that Charles is CLEARLY described as having a "BLACK COMPLEXION" not a "Black countenance," or a "Black disposition", which would make the term open to interpretation.
No, it is "BLACK COMPLEXION":
Now in the interest of making it understandable for even the stupidest SOB, I will supply a definition for "COMPLEXION".
Websters:
Simple Definition of complexion
: the color or appearance of the skin especially on the face
Now I will supply an example of the color BLACK:
THIS IS THE COLOR BLACK.
. I hope I have thoroughly answered your question.
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
Mike111
webster never lived during Charles lenos time
post the definition of "complexion" during the 17th century
you still never answered my question
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
Now I will supply an example of the color BLACK:
THIS IS THE COLOR BLACK.
. I hope I have thoroughly answered your question. [/QB]
Thus there are no people with a black complexion in America today
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
Now I will supply an example of the color BLACK:
THIS IS THE COLOR BLACK.
. I hope I have thoroughly answered your question.
Thus there are no people with a black complexion in America today [/QB]
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by the questioner: Now I will supply an example of the color BLACK:
THIS IS THE COLOR BLACK.
Thus there are no people with a black complexion in America today
THIS IS THE COLOR WHITE!
Thus there are no people with a White complexion in America today.
What an idiot!
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
lets get back on subject
Does anyone have a quote from a ancient Greek that mentions sunburn
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
Thus there are no people with a White complexion in America today.
Now you are learning dimwit
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
Thus there are no people with a White complexion in America today.
Now you are learning dimwit
.
But some Europeans come vvvery close.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
Thus there are no people with a White complexion in America today.
Now you are learning dimwit
.
But some Europeans come vvvery close.
.But many Greeks today are not noted for being the lighter, closer to white Europeans, so keep the red herrings coming Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: .But many Greeks today are not noted for being the lighter, closer to white Europeans, so keep the red herrings coming
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
Thus there are no people with a White complexion in America today.
Now you are learning dimwit
.
But some Europeans come vvvery close.
.But many Greeks today are not noted for being the lighter, closer to white Europeans, so keep the red herrings coming
From where does this "diversity come" on such relative small landscape/ mass.
Posted by iTrump (Member # 18722) on :
quote:Originally posted by the questioner: lets get back on subject
Does anyone have a quote from a ancient Greek that mentions sunburn
Silly questions should not be given serious considerations. GOP
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the questioner: lets get back on subject
Does anyone have a quote from a ancient Greek that mentions sunburn
Interesting question, I think I know what you refer at.
And it ironic how paranoid some individuals get.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
Ish Gebor - The above is a translation of a MODERN BOOK!
EVERY LANGUAGE HAS SUCH TRANSLATION DICTIONARIES:
WHAT IS YOUR POINT????
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
ish gebor i mean sunburn as it means pain of the skin or peeling of the skin making the skin red etc etc etc
heliomenos means "one who bathes in the sun" not sunburnt kelainos in ancient Greece means "dark one" not sunburnt (the Ancient Greeks get darker when they stay in the sun)
i want a quote where an ANCIENT GREEK describes the symptoms of what we classically call sunburn
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
quote:Originally posted by the questioner: ish gebor i mean sunburn as it means pain of the skin or peeling of the skin making the skin red etc etc etc
heliomenos means "one who bathes in the sun" not sunburnt kelainos in ancient Greece means "dark one" not sunburnt (the Ancient Greeks get darker when they stay in the sun)
i want a quote where an ANCIENT GREEK describes the symptoms of what we classically call sunburn
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Ish Gebor - The above is a translation of a MODERN BOOK!
EVERY LANGUAGE HAS SUCH TRANSLATION DICTIONARIES:
WHAT IS YOUR POINT????
In order to find the etymology you need REFERENCE, THAT'S THE POINT!!!!
quote:Originally posted by the questioner: ish gebor i mean sunburn as it means pain of the skin or peeling of the skin making the skin red etc etc etc
heliomenos means "one who bathes in the sun" not sunburnt kelainos in ancient Greece means "dark one" not sunburnt (the Ancient Greeks get darker when they stay in the sun)
i want a quote where an ANCIENT GREEK describes the symptoms of what we classically call sunburn
I know what you meant. I am looking for the word itself, in relation to modern and classic meaning. From there you can lookup the word in context and comparable.
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