stay on topic please, the video and lyrics to the song 4:44
And I have the right to elaborate on the CD release. And expose white supremacy trash. You may not like it, but it is what it is.
The Story of O.J.
JAY-Z
[Intro: Nina Simone] Skin is, skin, is Skin black, my skin is black My, black, my skin is yellow
[Chorus] Light nigga, dark nigga, faux nigga, real nigga Rich nigga, poor nigga, house nigga, field nigga Still nigga, still nigga I like that second one Light nigga, dark nigga, faux nigga, real nigga Rich nigga, poor nigga, house nigga, field nigga Still nigga, still nigga
[Interlude] O.J. like, "I'm not black, I'm O.J." …okay
[Verse 1] House nigga, don't fuck with me I'm a field nigga, go shine cutlery Go play the quarters where the butlers be I'ma play the corners where the hustlers be I told him, "Please don't die over the neighborhood That your mama rentin' Take your drug money and buy the neighborhood That's how you rinse it" I bought every V12 engine Wish I could take it back to the beginnin' I coulda bought a place in Dumbo before it was Dumbo For like 2 million That same building today is worth 25 million Guess how I'm feelin'? Dumbo
[Chorus] Light nigga, dark nigga, faux nigga, real nigga Rich nigga, poor nigga, house nigga, field nigga Still nigga, still nigga Light nigga, dark nigga, faux nigga, real nigga Rich nigga, poor nigga, house nigga, field nigga Still nigga, still nigga
[Interlude] You wanna know what's more important than throwin' away money at a strip club? Credit You ever wonder why Jewish people own all the property in America? This how they did it
[Verse 2] Financial freedom my only hope Fuck livin' rich and dyin' broke I bought some artwork for 1 million 2 years later, that shit worth 2 million Few years later, that shit worth 8 million I can't wait to give this shit to my children Y'all think it's bougie, I'm like, it's fine But I'm tryin' to give you a million dollars worth of game for $9.99 I turned that 2 to a 4, 4 to an 8 I turned my life into a nice first week release date Y'all out here still takin' advances, huh? Me and my niggas takin' real chances, uh Y'all on the 'Gram holdin' money to your ear There's a disconnect, we don't call that money over here, yeah
[Chorus] Light nigga, dark nigga, faux nigga, real nigga Rich nigga, poor nigga, house nigga, field nigga Still nigga, still nigga Light nigga, dark nigga, faux nigga, real nigga Rich nigga, poor nigga, house nigga, field nigga Still nigga, still nigga
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
^ How is this exposing white supremacy?
Posted by Andromeda2025 (Member # 22772) on :
Naw... Jzee is one fake rich nigga... The power of symbols should have made him realize that nothing in that video is enlightening, uplifting or revolutionary. The Story of Oj & 4:44 are some low charkra sh!t that show clearly where he is mentally. Jay Z ultimately feels beneath his woman, Beyonce has surpassed him as an ICON. She is his superior so he feels like a Nigga, and what he feels is the music that he makes. He is instead traumatizing a younger generation with is emotional abuse/traumatizing images without an emotional victory. ( See Joseph Campbell The Power of Myth) & ( The Hero's Journey) that he is misdirecting away from Beyonce his feelings of inferiority on to the general population of young African Americans. At the same time White folk love these images it is total black suffering porn and voyeurism for them.
This generation, the younger one don't need another slave movie, or stepin fetchit video/movie. They have the Internets they can google that if they are interested.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Jay Z 4:44 Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15bMg8bnetw (From an era where black women 'aspiring' entertainers were often used in openly burlesque forms of entertainment, which goes back to the Cotton Club and before).
Symbolically that video has to crack head looking fiends doing a weird dance in slow motion showing the devolution of black culture. The high point of rap was 30 years ago. This is purely garbage and nowhere close.
And that is the whole meaning and message. The only change that has come to black society is for the worse. Negroes got integrated and assimilated but instead of producing art of value and merit they produce 'ni%%er' rap and crackhead tracks. THAT is the only message I get out of this. All these black folks that done 'made it' in the entertainment industry and yet what have the built? What are they producing? How are they empowering the folks who created America's sound track? They aren't. They are coons looking for a pat on the head and perennial token status parading like dandies as if they really have accomplished something. Meaning they go to all these functions and balls run by white institutions and get token awards recognition and money for what? To produce garbage? That is devolution from ragtime, blues, jazz, soul, disco, r&b and hip hop to this.... Negro please.
But this is what all these black token entertainers are there for, going back to Sammy Davis, Dorothy Dandridge, Lena Horne, Cab Calloway and so forth....
That is the whole secret. Media mind control and psyhcological manipulation to enrich non black corporations. Selling black dysfunction to the masses.
Posted by BlessedbyHorus (Member # 22000) on :
^^^No its just that you're old and out of touch. And I don't even like Jay Z.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Just admit you don't know.
Its just that I see the "leadership" that is being groomed for this generation by white educational institutions, think tanks, industry and media and they are coons.....
Black music is all but dead but to the crackhead generation things are "great". That mushmouth rap is 'divine'. Right.
Black folks made more conscious rap in the 80s starting with "the Message". No crackhead symbolism. Just straight and to the point. They weren't millionaires and running around getting awards from white folks. They were just young black folks with creative energy and spirit living in the projects or average neighborhoods. Now negroes got a little money and what do they put out.... garbage.
The point being that if black folks with no record deals and contracts or no money were making ART 30 years ago, Negroes today should be doing A LOT better. But they aren't. They are going backwards and trying to pass it off as 'conscious'.
Symbolically that video has to crack head looking fiends doing a weird dance in slow motion showing the devolution of black culture.
There are tons of websites talking about this video. I would like to see one where they interpret the dancing as supposed to be like crackheads
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: [QB] stay on topic please, the video and lyrics to the song 4:44
And I have the right to elaborate on the CD release. And expose white supremacy trash. You may not like it, but it is what it is.
So you're saying that Jay Z song is an example of white supremacy trash or is it exposing white supremacy?
(other people please give Ish Gebor a chance to answer it)
I predict he won't. He just put it up to see what everybody else says. So if they go one way he'll go that same way. I know how he works, its an Ish bluff
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: ^ How is this exposing white supremacy?
How it explains that no matter how good you do, how well you do as a black person, white supremacy will always see you as a nigga and that's that.
The cartoon is amazing and it elaborates on the 4:44 video and vice versa.
"Fury at DNA pioneer's theory: Africans are less intelligent than Westerners"
quote:Originally posted by Andromeda2025: Naw... Jzee is one fake rich nigga... The power of symbols should have made him realize that nothing in that video is enlightening, uplifting or revolutionary. The Story of Oj & 4:44 are some low charkra sh!t that show clearly where he is mentally. Jay Z ultimately feels beneath his woman, Beyonce has surpassed him as an ICON. She is his superior so he feels like a Nigga, and what he feels is the music that he makes. He is instead traumatizing a younger generation with is emotional abuse/traumatizing images without an emotional victory. ( See Joseph Campbell The Power of Myth) & ( The Hero's Journey) that he is misdirecting away from Beyonce his feelings of inferiority on to the general population of young African Americans. At the same time White folk love these images it is total black suffering porn and voyeurism for them.
This generation, the younger one don't need another slave movie, or stepin fetchit video/movie. They have the Internets they can google that if they are interested.
What he did in "The Story of O.J." and 4:44 was awesome.
It's a rude awakening for the young black generation of America and abroad, because blacks globally associate with black America.
You can see the stupidity some young black Americas do and how the world looks at them, ridicules them, mock them in 4:44.
"The Story of O.J." takes it back to "make America great again" and shows the history of black America within the cartoon.
And "charkra" is Asian spirituality, so Jay shows a slave ship with enslaved Africans, where "one" get's ahead like the HNIC like an egocetric maniac.
Anyway, the "charkra" of many black is underdeveloped so he hits them where it hurts, low. Low Down N***.
I listened to the entire LP yesterday, while working out during fitness routine. Artistically it appeals more to the young generation, but it's still great work.
Posted by sudaniya (Member # 15779) on :
I fail to see how this song or its video is profound in the least. What esoteric truths did he reveal in that song? There are underground artists that are so much more adept at conveying truly intelligent, revolutionary, inspirational and uplifting ideas... and they can do that with a soul.
If *personalities* like Jay Z, P. Diddy, Dr Dre and the others in Hip-Hop that have ostensibly accrued substantial resources... were as intelligent, ambitious and independent as they would have people believe -- why then do they not combine their wealth and create their own record labels, instead of being mere subsidiaries of far more wealthy and powerful corporations?
Even if they did not wish to greatly reconfigure the message (s), the narrative (s), image, directions, trends and its consequences... why not at least aspire to manage, control and profit from it?
Answer? Because that would be dangerous, and only that would be worthy of praise, recognition and discussion.
Nothing in the mainstream is by accident. Everything has a political dimension; when you have virtually every popular Hip-Hip 'artists' glamorising self-destructive violence, ignorance, stupidity, misogny and infantilisation and looking like unclean human filth as they do it... that has a purpose behind it and people directing it.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by sudaniya: I fail to see how this song or its video is profound in the least. What esoteric truths did he reveal in that song? There are underground artists that are so much more adept at conveying truly intelligent, revolutionary, inspirational and uplifting ideas... and they can do that with a soul.
If *personalities* like Jay Z, P. Diddy, Dr Dre and the others in Hip-Hop that have ostensibly accrued substantial resources... were as intelligent, ambitious and independent as they would have people believe -- why then do they not combine their wealth and create their own record labels, instead of being mere subsidiaries of far more wealthy and powerful corporations?
Even if they did not wish to greatly reconfigure the message (s), the narrative (s), image, directions, trends and its consequences... why not at least aspire to manage, control and profit from it?
Answer? Because that would be dangerous, and only that would be worthy of praise, recognition and discussion.
Nothing in the mainstream is by accident. Everything has a political dimension; when you have virtually every popular Hip-Hip 'artists' glamorising self-destructive violence, ignorance, stupidity, misogny and infantilisation and looking like unclean human filth as they do it... that has a purpose behind it and people directing it.
These videos show the "nigger culture" for what it is and how destructive it really is. It's really a confrontation of self-image and introspection. The way the world sees / looks at black people when they look at these "real clips". (I know because I travel)
The graphic effects in this are important.
Btw Jay Z, P. Diddy had or still have their own record labels. Don't know much about Dre. From what I know Dre is not on that level. Dre had the Beats company and probably still holds shares.
Jay Z and P. Diddy are not just rappers, they have become business men with lots of revenue from different investments. This is how they have build financial empires, worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
Jay Z's Net Worth: $810 Million In 2017 (this was obviously not by selling rap-records)
So there are many more… who have invested in technology etc.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
Also, I don't understand why the ADL is complaining:
"You ever wonder why Jewish people own all the property in America? This how they did it"
Jay goes on explains why:
Financial freedom my only hope Fuck livin' rich and dyin' broke I bought some artwork for 1 million 2 years later, that shit worth 2 million Few years later, that shit worth 8 million I can't wait to give this shit to my children
Jewish Billionaires Worth $812 Billion, Forbes Israel Reports Of the top 10 richest Jews in the world, eight are from the U.S., while two are from Russia.
Jews are a marginalized and disenfranchised people, but still hold themselves together by self controlled power (it doesn't mean every jew is rich or wealthy), unlike black people who get kicked from left to right up and down for 400 years now.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: ^ How is this exposing white supremacy?
How it explains that no matter how good you do, how well you do as a black person, white supremacy will always see you as a nigga and that's that.
The cartoon is amazing and it elaborates on the 4:44 video and vice versa.
This is the lyric:
quote:
[Chorus] Light nigga, dark nigga, faux nigga, real nigga Rich nigga, poor nigga, house nigga, field nigga Still nigga, still nigga Light nigga, dark nigga, faux nigga, real nigga Rich nigga, poor nigga, house nigga, field nigga Still nigga, still nigga
^ this does not illustrate the point you mention. It doesn't say anything about white supremacy.
At the end where he says " Still nigga" he did not say "they still think you a nigga"
Therefore he could be saying "I'm still a nigga" And in the song he makes no judgment about the word. And we know in Hip Hop Jay z voluntarily calls black people "niggas" so he sees his own people as "niggas"
The sentence is incomplete there is no personal pronoun like "I'm" or "They" so the perspective is left out to be guessed in the chorus - but it's answered later
And in the animation all the old stereotypes but there is nobody who is not black calling a black person a nigg** in the video
Wait a minute, he says "I'm a field nigga" in the video
"financial freedom is my only hope" "me and my niggas taking real chances"
So the word is not rejected by the video.
No the video is not a direct indictment of white supremacy.
The message of the song is that the stereotypes are not going to change so we need to focus on getting money and property as the key to freedom. That is most certainly the message of the song, the opposite of what you think it is
And that is reflected in the title and where he says "i'm not black I'm O.J."
Similarly in the Nina Simone song that was sampled, the lyrics that were not sampled include:
" My skin is black My arms are long My hair is woolly My back is strong Strong enough to take the pain Inflicted again and again What do they call me My name is AUNT SARAH My name is Aunt Sarah
My skin is yellow My hair is long Between two worlds I do belong My father was rich and white He forced my mother late one night What do they call me My name is SAFFRONIA My name is Saffronia
My skin is tan My hair is fine My hips invite you My mouth like wine Whose little girl am I? Anyone who has money to buy What do they call me My name is SWEET THING My name is Sweet Thing
My skin is brown My manner is tough I'll kill the first mother I see My life has been too rough I'm awfully bitter these days Because my parents were slaves What do they call me My name is PEACHES" ______________________________
Jay Z's song is a comment on this It is the Nina Simone song where "they" is called out. The "they" is white supremacy.
So where Nina Simone was getting angry about the oppression, Jaz Z's attitude is not angry, it's C'est la vie on racism, instead success is the best revenge and -own- the stereotypes
I'm not saying that is wrong or right but that is the message coming from the jay Z song.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: ^ How is this exposing white supremacy?
How it explains that no matter how good you do, how well you do as a black person, white supremacy will always see you as a nigga and that's that.
The cartoon is amazing and it elaborates on the 4:44 video and vice versa.
This is the lyric:
quote:
[Chorus] Light nigga, dark nigga, faux nigga, real nigga Rich nigga, poor nigga, house nigga, field nigga Still nigga, still nigga Light nigga, dark nigga, faux nigga, real nigga Rich nigga, poor nigga, house nigga, field nigga Still nigga, still nigga
^ this does not illustrate the point you mention. It doesn't say anything about white supremacy.
At the end where he says " Still nigga" he did not say "they still think you a nigga" .
Black people understand how society looks at them., successful or not.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Therefore he could be saying "I'm still a nigga" And in the song he makes no judgment about the word. And we know in Hip Hop Jay z voluntarily calls black people "niggas" so he sees his own people as "niggas"
LOL Surely when you see the graphics.
Black people in Hip Hop did not start voluntarily call black people "niggas". As always you are clueless.
Wise Intelligent (Poor Righteous Teachers) - The Attack on Hip Hop 2009 Convention…
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: [QB] Also, I don't understand why the ADL is complaining:
"You ever wonder why Jewish people own all the property in America? This how they did it"
Do Jews own most of the property in America?
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: The sentence is incomplete there is no personal pronoun like "I'm" or "They" so the perspective is left out to be guessed in the chorus - but it's answered later
LOL Indeed it is incomplete. It has people confused and wondering.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
Black people in Hip Hop did not start voluntarily call black people "niggas". As always you are clueless.
Wise Intelligent (Poor Righteous Teachers) - The Attack on Hip Hop 2009 Convention…
As everybody except you knows rappers do voluntarily call black people "niggas" in songs all the time
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: [QB] Also, I don't understand why the ADL is complaining:
"You ever wonder why Jewish people own all the property in America? This how they did it"
Do Jews own most of the property in America?
You already stated that you aren't great at finances. So it will be a waste of time trying to explain. You barely can manage a household, let alone understand the capital market.
Btw, as a kid I use to read Africana books like Soul on Ice etc. In these books they explained financial positions of people in society, who owned property and how this was accomplished. I guess you the "Africana expert" read them also?
Nowhere did Jay said it a bad thing, but he explains to the black population that they need to be financially independent.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
Black people in Hip Hop did not start voluntarily call black people "niggas". As always you are clueless.
Wise Intelligent (Poor Righteous Teachers) - The Attack on Hip Hop 2009 Convention…
As everybody except you knows rappers do voluntarily call black people "niggas" in songs all the time [/QB]
LOL Wise Intelligent (Poor Righteous Teachers) opened up a book about the music business. A business you know very little about, like most people.
Evidently in early rap music this was uncommon, until gangster rap became popular.
Tell me, which rap group popularized the word "nigga" in rap music?
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Wait a minute, he says "I'm a field nigga" in the video
So, explain what is a "field nigga"?
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: "financial freedom is my only hope" "me and my niggas taking real chances"
So, show the still images, where this "financial freedom is my only hope" "me and my niggas taking real chances" is intercepted.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: And that is reflected in the title and where he says "i'm not black I'm O.J."
He actually pauses for a second, like what the f***, then says "Okay" (with a Jay giggle).
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Similarly in the Nina Simone song that was sampled, the lyrics that were not sampled include:
My skin is black.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: It is the Nina Simone song where "they" is called out. The "they" is white supremacy.
Back then whites called blacks nigger on any occasion. Now, some try to revamp it. However, let's not get into the "nigger jokes", 2017. In 2017 they still make jokes about unarmed blacks being killed by law enforcement, this amongst many other horrendous expressions.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: So where Nina Simone was getting angry about the oppression, Jaz Z's attitude is not angry, it's C'est la vie on racism, instead success is the best revenge and -own- the stereotypes
Yep, as a black person you are still a nigga, successful or not.
(C'est la vie) That is life on racism, indeed. Something you know very little about.
quote:"The systemic racism in Baltimore’s police force"
In the Justice Department’s damning, astonishing report on the ingrained, systemic racism in Baltimore’s police department, one tidbit captures the larger picture. It describes an email by a city police supervisor containing a template for officers making trespassing arrests, with blanks to be filled in for date, location, suspect’s name and address — yet, oddly, no prompt for race or gender. Instead, the words “black male” were automatically included.
As everybody except you knows rappers do voluntarily call black people "niggas" in songs all the time
LOL Wise Intelligent (Poor Righteous Teachers) opened up a book about the music business. A business you know very little about, like most people.
Evidently in early rap music this was uncommon, until gangster rap became popular.
Tell me, which rap group popularized the word "nigga" in rap music? [/QB]
The word "niggas" was already popular in black neighborhoods on the East and West coast regardless of rap. Now when they first started putting it on records most of the big companies didn't want to play it. And then some of it came out and started to sell
quote:
Who came up with the name N.W.A? It was between Dre and Eazy....
Were you listening to a lot of Richard Pryor comedy albums? All that was influencing us: Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, Cheech and Chong, Red Foxx, as well as Black Panthers, Crips and Bloods. In the ‘70s there was a barrage of shit thrown at you, then in the ‘80s it manifested through us. -- Ice Cube
The Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC) was an American committee formed in 1985 with the stated goal of increasing parental control over the access of children to music deemed to have violent, drug-related or sexual themes via labeling albums with Parental Advisory stickers.
Ice-T's "Freedom of Speech" states: "Hey, PMRC, you stupid fuckin' assholes/The sticker on the record is what makes 'em sell gold./Can't you see, you alcoholic idiots/The more you try to suppress us, the larger we get."
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Whose lyrics is this, take a guess before you try and google it >
How do niggas know that it's me when i come Cos' one hands on my nuts and the others on my gun nuff...
Hip-Hop's like this no matter where niggas rest Recognize post-its
Niggas run for cover cos' I'm wile in the game Kill a rapper pon' stage cos' it's all in the game
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Jay Z and his company tidal doesn't even hire and promote black folks. This guy is simply a token and nothing about his album is remotely 'conscious'.
Please. This is a travesty of culture.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: The word "niggas" was already popular in black neighborhoods on the East and West coast regardless of rap. Now when they first started putting it on records most of the big companies didn't want to play it. And then some of it came out and started to sell
No one is talking about that it didn't exist in the black community already. It (nigga) was meant different from nigger. Like blacks are still using it towards each other in sarcasm.
But the question was, what group popularized it in gangster rap. It was indeed N.W.A.
Before this time it was conscious rap dominating the scene. This doesn't mean that it didn't exist. lol
And while you are at it, tell who was the manager by N.WA. and who owned most of these record labels where this phenomenon was spread on records?
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: The Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC) was an American committee formed in 1985 with the stated goal of increasing parental control over the access of children to music deemed to have violent, drug-related or sexual themes via labeling albums with Parental Advisory stickers.
Everything you post is from wikipedia, or other forums. lol
The 1995 committee formed had little to do with Rap music. As can be read here "In 1985, the PMRC also released what they called the "Filthy Fifteen", a list of the 15 songs they found most objectionable.[1]"
The above once shows again that you don't know what the heck you are talking about. All you have is the quick google searches.
From what I remember it was early 1990s the sticker "parental advisory" was demanded. Daddy 'O was one of the people in that committee. The stickers wasn't for vulgar language such as "nigga", but for more common street language. Of course it did open the door for the usage of the word nigga and bitches. Mostly used by the foolish folks.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
Ice-T's "Freedom of Speech" states: "Hey, PMRC, you stupid fuckin' assholes/The sticker on the record is what makes 'em sell gold./Can't you see, you alcoholic idiots/The more you try to suppress us, the larger we get."
Yo, Tip, what's the matter? You ain't gettin' no dick? You're bitchin' about rock ’n’ roll—that's censorship, dumb bitch The Constitution says we all got a right to speak Say what we want, Tip—your argument is weak
quote: A-yo Ice, man. I'm working on this term paper for college. What's the First Amendment?
[…]
Verse 3
Let me tell you about down south Where a motherfucker might as well not even have a mouth Columbus, Georgia, said they'd lock me up If I got on the stage in my show and said "Fuck" So I thought for a minute and said "No I wasn't even gonna do a damned show" Cos for me to change my words from my rhymes Is never gonna happen cos there's no sell outs on mine But I vowed to get those motherfuckers one day They even arrested Bobby Brown and Cool J Yo, they got their's comin', cos I'm mad and I'm gunnin' Homeboys, and there's no runnin' I'm gonna tell you how I feel about you No bull, no lies, no slack, just straight fact Columbus, Georgia, you can suck my dick You ain't nothin' but a piece of fuckin' shit on the damned map
Verse 4
Freedom of Speech, let 'em take it from me Next they'll take it from you, then what you gonna do? Let 'em censor books, let 'em censor art PMRC, this is where the witch hunt starts You'll censor what we see, we read, we hear, we learn The books will burn You better think it out We should be able to say anything, our lungs were meant to shout Say what we feel, yell out what's real Even though it may not bring mass appeal Your opinion is yours, my opinion is mine If you don't like what I'm sayin'? Fine But don't close it, always keep an open mind A man who fails to listen is blind We only got one right left in the world today Let me have it or throw The Constitution away
Outro (Jello Biafra)
What they're trying to do with radio, with this, uh, McCarran-Walter Act and a lot of other ways, is start by saying that they're protecting the public from wicked rock bands, or girlie magazines, or whatever. But, if you follow the chain of dominoes that falls down what they're really trying to do is shut off our access to information itself
If they can't do it by law they know there's other ways to do it
[Verse 1] This is it, dope from the fly kid The Ice mic is back with the high bid Suckers you've lost, 'cause players you're not, gangstas you ain't You're faintin', punk, if you ever heard a gunshot Yo, the pusher, the player, the pimp gangsta, the hustler High Roller, dead pres folder Is cold lampin' like a black king on a throne Evil E...turn up the microphone So I can ill and break on the rollin' tape Another album to make? Great Islam turn the bass kick up a bit Hype the snare, now I got a place to sit And ride the track like a black mack in his 'lac Hit the corner slow where the girls are at And kick game the way it should be done How you gonna drop science? You're dumb Stupid ignorant, don't even talk to me At school you dropped Math, Science and History And then you get on the mic and try to act smart Well let me tell you one thing, you got heart To perpetrate, you're bait, so just wait Till the press shove a mic in your face Or you meet Boogie Down or Chuck D Stetsasonic or the Big Daddy And they ask you about the game you claim you got Drop science now, why not? You start to sweat and fret, it gets hot How'd you get into this spot?
[Chorus]You played yourself...
Yo, yo, you played yourself...
[Verse 2] I'm no authority but I know the D-E-A-L When it comes to dealin' with the females What you got they want, cash is what they need Slip sucker and they'll break you with speed But you meet a freak, you try to turn her out Spendin' money's what I'm talkin' about But you fool out, your pockets got blew out And after the date, no boots, you got threw out Mad and shook 'cause your ducats got took Call her up, phone's off the hook But who told you to front and flaunt your grip? You can't buy no relationship
You played yourself... Yo, homeboy, you played yourself...
[Verse 3] I'm in the MC game, a lot of MC's front And for the money they're sell out stunts But they claim that they're rich and that they keep cash Yo, let me straighten this out fast Two hundred thousand records sold And these brothers start yellin' 'bout gold? You better double that, then double that again And still don't get souped, my friend You think you've made it, you're just a lucky man Guess who controls your destiny, fans But you diss 'em 'cause you think you're a star That attitude is rude, you won't get far 'Cause they'll turn on you quick, you'll drop like a brick Unemployment's where you'll sit No friends 'cause you dissed 'em too No money, no crew, you're through
You played yourself... That's right, you played yourself... You played yourself... Yo, yo, you played yourself...
[Verse 4] You got problems, you claim you need a break But every dollar you get you take Straight to the Dopeman, try to get a beam up Your idle time is spent trying to scheme up Another way to get money for a jumbo When you go to sleep you count Five-O's Lyin' and cheatin', everybody you're beatin' Dirty clothes and you're skinny 'cause you haven't been eatin' You ripped off all your family and your friends Nowhere does your larceny end And then you get an idea for a big move An armed robbery...smooth But everything went wrong, somebody got shot You couldn't get away, the cops roll, you're popped And now you're locked, yo, lampin' on Death Row Society's fault? No Nobody put the crack into the pipe Nobody made you smoke off your life You thought that you could do dope and still stay cool? Fool
You played yourself... You played yourself... Ain't nobody else's fault, you played yourself
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Were you listening to a lot of Richard Pryor comedy albums? All that was influencing us: Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, Cheech and Chong, Red Foxx, as well as Black Panthers, Crips and Bloods. In the ‘70s there was a barrage of shit thrown at you, then in the ‘80s it manifested through us. -- Ice Cube
You don't even understand the psychology and psychometry behind the usage of the word "nigga". It's hurt… hurt… hurt. smh It was borne out of ignorance and hurt, this is why it attracts "nigger culture" the most.
quote:After accepting his apology, the rapper and actor detailed why Maher's words were unacceptable stating that, in the past, white people have used the word against black people “like a knife.”
“I think it’s a lot of guys out there who cross the line because they’re a little too familiar, or they think they’re a little too familiar,” he said. “Every now and then, they think they can cross the line, and they can’t.”
“That’s our word now,” he said. “And you can’t have it back.”
The Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC) was an American committee formed in 1985 with the stated goal of increasing parental control over the access of children to music deemed to have violent, drug-related or sexual themes via labeling albums with Parental Advisory stickers.
Thankfully someone still had it and put in on Youtube:
Parental Advisory Label Arrives Summer 1990
I apologize for this generic News Broadcast, but the importance cannot be denied. Back when "Tower Records" were Paradises of Pop-Culture, the familiar "Parental Advisory Explicit Lyrics" Label rocked the Record industry. Debuting in July of 1990, I fondly recall purchasing "Banned in the U.S.A. by 2 Live Crew and rockin' to "I've got the Power" by "Snap." just because these Cds had that sexy Black and White label affixed to it. I know in today's mp3 world, with Itunes at your convenience, this label doesn't mean a whole lot. But Dee-Snider and "Daddy O" here thought otherwise. Recorded in May of 1990, from "U.S. news tonight," a syndicated newscast that aired Late nite weeknights
quote:DOES THE PARENTAL ADVISORY LABEL STILL MATTER?
The first album to bear the standardized label in the lower right-hand corner was 2 Live Crew's Banned in the U.S.A., released that July. By then, '80s pop had run its course; rap was the new battleground for the censorship fight, with no group as embattled as Miami's 2 Live Crew. With songs like "Me So Horny" and "Bad Ass Bitch," the group's previous album had been ruled legally obscene by a district court in Florida. A full decade before Eminem terrorized parents with The Marshall Mathers LP, 2 Live Crew members found themselves arrested on obscenity charges, along with a record store owner who sold their 1989 disc to an undercover cop. Later, states like Missouri and Iowa tried to pass bills banning minors from explicit performances.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Jay Z and his company tidal doesn't even hire and promote black folks. This guy is simply a token and nothing about his album is remotely 'conscious'.
Please. This is a travesty of culture.
Twitter users hit out at Jay Z and Beyonce's 'almost all white' Tidal staff picture.. before realizing it was of their Norway office
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Jay Z and his company tidal doesn't even hire and promote black folks. This guy is simply a token and nothing about his album is remotely 'conscious'.
Please. This is a travesty of culture.
Twitter users hit out at Jay Z and Beyonce's 'almost all white' Tidal staff picture.. before realizing it was of their Norway office
And where did Jay Z or other employees of Tidal post pictures of other offices with all black, mostly black, or significantly black employees?
And Jay Z isn't the only one. Dame Dash is surrounded by white folks in most of his business ventures that I have seen.
Troy Carter same thing with his Atom Factory and other ventures.
So it is a perfectly valid argument against these multimillionaire tokens.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Jay Z and his company tidal doesn't even hire and promote black folks. This guy is simply a token and nothing about his album is remotely 'conscious'.
Please. This is a travesty of culture.
Twitter users hit out at Jay Z and Beyonce's 'almost all white' Tidal staff picture.. before realizing it was of their Norway office
And where did Jay Z or other employees of Tidal post pictures of other offices with all black, mostly black, or significantly black employees?
And Jay Z isn't the only one. Dame Dash is surrounded by white folks in most of his business ventures that I have seen.
Troy Carter same thing with his Atom Factory and other ventures.
So it is a perfectly valid argument against these multimillionaire tokens.
That is probably because these business ventures are predominately white?
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug:
And how do Neg...
No, not going there
[ 21. July 2017, 01:16 PM: Message edited by: the lioness, ]
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
this comment is deleted , you are calling black people "negroes" in a condescending manner while at the same time criticizing use of the N word, that doesn't work --lioness
[ 21. July 2017, 11:45 AM: Message edited by: the lioness, ]
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: They were founded by said black folks. So how could they be predominantly white unless the black founder hired them and excluded black folks. […]
Tidal is a Tech Company and Norway is predominantly "white", like 97%.
Folks up there know what they are doing when it comes to Technology and I assume Norway has tax benefits as well, but I have not looked into that.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: But the folks buying Tidal are buying it not for the tech, but for the music.
Tidal provides hi-fidelity music, this runs on dedicated servers. The software on those serves is based on complex algorithms.
Spotify also comes for that region.
Norwegians are known for producing high equally products.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Black folks create the culture in the hood around a bunch of other black folks and few if any whites and no record deals or contracts from white record companies.
I am confused here. What do you mean? The culture …?
Tidal is a Tech company. I don't see what that has to do with the hood ?
Jay Z needs have his company run properly. And not run into the ground. People with experience need to run the company, experience in software development, server maintenance etc.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: And how do Negroes defend a standard of 'color blindedness' when it comes to black owned businesses but don't apply that same standard to white owned, Korean owned, Indian owned or Mexican owned businesses?
This brings us back to Dr. Wesley Muhammad. "Most blacks get into humanitarian / Africana studies."
So there you see the result people.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: And as far as American music goes and Negroes using the N-word. You don't see these clowns on records talking about killing cra**as do you? Why not? Why is that offensive but rapping about killing ni**as is OK? See the contradiction? But the difference is that white folks aren't going to come out and cosign that nonsense. Spanish people aren't going to come out and cosign rapping about killing sp*cs. Asians aren't going to come out and cosign rapping about killing ch**ks. No Mexican is going to come out defending rapping about we***cks. No artists or comedians are on TV or radio defending the user of such terms, even though they have gangs and crime just like anybody else and they also have rappers and elements of hip hop as well. Only Negroes do that.
What happened to blacks in the USA is not the same as what happened to other groups. Certainly not immigrant groups. And it's not like everybody is talking like that in black neighborhoods. Blacks in the USA systemically have been marginalized and disenfranchised. It literally has been attack after attack. And as Wise Intelligent for the Poor Righteous Teachers explained, it is usually poor blacks who will not turn down such offer.
Dr. Wesley Muhammad said that black people in America need a deniggerfacation process.
From what I understand Reggaeton derived from Dancehall.
The fact that it is hard to find proper Reggaeton mixes from early 2000 speaks volumes.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
But the question was, what group popularized it in gangster rap. It was indeed N.W.A.
Before this time it was conscious rap dominating the scene. This doesn't mean that it didn't exist. lol
No, except for Public Enemy in the late 80s conscious rap was not dominating the scene.
Straight Outta Compton was released August 8, 1988
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Top 40 Hip Hop Songs 1987
1. Public Enemy - Rebel Without A Pause
2. Eric B & Rakim - I Ain't No Joke
3. Audio Two - Top Billin'
5. Just Ice - Going Way Back
6. LL Cool J - I'm Bad
7. Boogie Down Productions - Criminal Minded
8. Eric B & Rakim - Paid In Full
9. Public Enemy - Public Enemy No. 1
10. Boogie Down Productions - The Bridge Is Over
11. N.W.A - Dopeman
12. Eric B & Rakim - Move The Crowd
13. Ice T - Squeeze The Trigger
14. J.V.C. Force - Strong Island
15. Ultramagnetic MCs - Funky
16. Public Enemy - Bring The Noise
17. Juice Crew - Juice Crew Allstars
18. Eric B & Rakim - I Know You Got Soul
19. Big Daddy Kane - Raw
20. T La Rock - Lyrical King
21. Boogie Down Productions - Poetry
22. Salt N Pepa - Push It
23. Eric B & Rakim - As The Rhyme Goes On
24. Too Short - Freaky Tales
25. Big Daddy Kane - Somethin' Funky
26. Public Enemy - You're Gonna Get Yours
27. LL Cool J - I Need Love
28. Biz Markie - Nobody Beats The Biz
29. EPMD - It's My Thing
30. Boogie Down Productions - Dope Beat
31. Kool Moe Dee - How Ya Like Me Now?
32. MC Shan - Kill That Noise
33. Just Ice - The Original Gangster Of Hip Hop
34. DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince - Just One Of Those Days
35. Rodney O & Joe Cooley - Everlasting Bass
36. T La Rock - Bust These Lyrics
37. Steady B - What's My Name?
38. Spoonie Gee - The Godfather Of Rap
39. Heavy D - The Overweight Lover's In The House
40. Dana Dane - Cinderfella Dana Dane
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^ As we can see only a couple of the songs are "conscious". KRS One was not even a conscious rapper at that time.
it's a myth that conscious rap was dominating the chart in terms of the number of conscious songs that were popular.. It's basically Public enemy with a few big hits, they come in around 1987 and were popular for a few years
If you look at the charts Public Enemy had hits in these years at the same time as N.W.A and Ice T and Geto Boys.
So conscious rap and gangster rap happen at the same time
What about way back in 1982 when the Message came out? The hits was that and Kurtis Blow, Africa Bambaataa, club songs
How about 1983, no except if you want to count "white lines" by Grandmaster Flash
1984, it's Run DMC, Roxanne Shante, Whoodini dominating
1985, Doug E Fresh, LL Cool J, Salt & Pepper - and the first gangster rap song: P.S.K.-What Does It Mean? (Park Side Killers) - Schoolly D (from Philly)
The beginning of rap was basically party songs, conscious rap groups don't even come in until, 87,88, 89. Except for Public Enemy they never dominated the charts
So was all this early rap pure and beautiful? No, most was commercial pop party music but some very creative and entertaining Gangster rap got bigger in the 90s coinciding with the Crack game. And a lot of gangster rappers were and are funded by drug dealers before they got signed to labels
Who were the biggest conscious rap groups besides public enemy? X Clan, came out in 1990, they didn't have big hits one or tow small ones, Poor Righteous Teachers, Dead Prez, thats mid 90s, The Coup And ironically the audiences for Public Enemy and Dead Prez shows was mainly white,
Except for Public Enemy and Grandmaster Flash "The Message" conscious rap was not dominating the charts, nor does rap music start that way in the early 80s, Conscious is mostly a short trend in the late 80s.
How do I know this? I was one of the original B-Girls
Don't take my word for it, start looking at the rap songs popular in the early years. look at the top 40 of each year
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: This brings us back to Dr. Wesley Muhammad. "Most blacks get into humanitarian / Africana studies."
So there you see the result people. [/QB]
Most blacks do not get degrees in Africana studies or Islamic studies as Wesley Muhammad did ( so he is in no position to even comment, most of his lectures are on religion)
Top 10 Majors Held By African-American Degree Holders
The song is basically a heartfelt apology to Beyonce and his kids, the lyrics are not controversial
I like the video because of the random clips really catch your attention, some of it news clips or cell phone clips. It makes you think the way it is edited. Does it all add up and make sense? No, it's kind of put together in an abstract way. It's mysterious in a certain interesting way
No I don't like other songs where Jay Z at 47 years old is still dropping lines about selling dope in the 80s like its cool but I give him props for some of this album which is a lot less commercial than his typical work and more thoughtful in places
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: This brings us back to Dr. Wesley Muhammad. "Most blacks get into humanitarian / Africana studies."
So there you see the result people.
Most blacks do not get degrees in Africana studies or Islamic studies as Wesley Muhammad did ( so he is in no position to even comment, most of his lectures are on religion)
Top 10 Majors Held By African-American Degree Holders
My post said humanitarian / Africana. Dr. Wesley Muhammad said humanitarian / Africana. The above posted by you, are in the humanitarian / Africana sector.
Btw that link doesn't work.
Wesley Muhammad did never claimed that most blacks get degrees in Islamic studies, as a matter of fact he stated that he didn't pay for his training in Islamic studies, rather yet it was an extension of his other degrees in theology.
As matter of fact he himself stated that he is part of a small percentage (2%) of blacks in Islamic studies, so that is what makes his degree relevant.
He also warned that blacks need to do more particle studies, so they don't have to complain about other communities such as described by Doug.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
The proper word is "Humanities"
Humanities are academic disciplines that study aspects of human culture. The humanities are more frequently contrasted with natural, and sometimes social sciences as well as professional training
Humanities
1.1 Anthropology 1.2 Archaeology 1.3 Classics 1.4 History 1.5 Linguistics and languages 1.6 Law and politics 1.7 Literature 1.8 Performing arts 1.9 Philosophy 1.10 Religion 1.11 Visual arts
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
Whose lyrics is this, take a guess before you try and google it >
How do niggas know that it's me when i come Cos' one hands on my nuts and the others on my gun nuff...
Hip-Hop's like this no matter where niggas rest Recognize post-its
Niggas run for cover cos' I'm wile in the game Kill a rapper pon' stage cos' it's all in the game
Answer N word lyrics from the song by "Wise Intelligent", Steady Slangin
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
Whose lyrics is this, take a guess before you try and google it >
How do niggas know that it's me when i come Cos' one hands on my nuts and the others on my gun nuff...
Hip-Hop's like this no matter where niggas rest Recognize post-its
Niggas run for cover cos' I'm wile in the game Kill a rapper pon' stage cos' it's all in the game
Answer N word lyrics from the song by "Wise Intelligent", Steady Slangin
So do you understand the song?
If you choose to inhale just don't abuse it Harl up a lickel wicked ex-slave talk never could hurt nuttin Never would write chore Chicks off tip as i kick politricks, black kids wuhent supposed to make $1 kid Now we get good and plenty, Shot outs props and thangs All the came from the use of the slang So what you talkin' when you say you'll ban this You'll get a cock back la inna red hot clip ! A lickle summin summin, from the slang in me You can't change me, I'm an ex-slave see My lips, my nose, my coco black skin, subject to the slum and I'm steady slangin
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: And as far as American music goes and Negroes using the N-word. You don't see these clowns on records talking about killing cra**as do you? Why not? Why is that offensive but rapping about killing ni**as is OK? See the contradiction? But the difference is that white folks aren't going to come out and cosign that nonsense. Spanish people aren't going to come out and cosign rapping about killing sp*cs. Asians aren't going to come out and cosign rapping about killing ch**ks. No Mexican is going to come out defending rapping about we***cks. No artists or comedians are on TV or radio defending the user of such terms, even though they have gangs and crime just like anybody else and they also have rappers and elements of hip hop as well. Only Negroes do that.
What happened to blacks in the USA is not the same as what happened to other groups. Certainly not immigrant groups. And it's not like everybody is talking like that in black neighborhoods. Blacks in the USA systemically have been marginalized and disenfranchised. It literally has been attack after attack. And as Wise Intelligent for the Poor Righteous Teachers explained, it is usually poor blacks who will not turn down such offer.
Dr. Wesley Muhammad said that black people in America need a deniggerfacation process.
From what I understand Reggaeton derived from Dancehall.
The fact that it is hard to find proper Reggaeton mixes from early 2000 speaks volumes.
The fact that what happened to American blacks is worse than those other folks makes it even more ridiculous for black folks to be the only group DEMANDING that we use the term in entertainment, art, culture and everyday speech. None of those other folks even remotely promote such nonsense....
Yes, raggaeton is derivative of Raggae overall, but as noted, the song Danza Kuduro reflects a strong Angolan influence in Raggaeton which also strongly influences Zumba. And it is this combination of the popularity of Zumba and the influence of Angolana music that has led to the popularity of Despacito. Not to mention the popularity of movies like The Fast and Furious that featured Danza Kudoro in the sound track.
Funny enough on the topic of the N-word, today the supreme court allowed people to copyright racial slurs and already a dude has filed a copyright for the term "ni**a" and said he wants to make t-shirts with positive messages featuring the term..... Now show me Asians doing the same or Mexicans and so forth....
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: The fact that what happened to American blacks is worse than those other folks makes it even more ridiculous for black folks to be the only group DEMANDING that we use the term in entertainment, art, culture and everyday speech. None of those other folks even remotely promote such nonsense....
It is usually the ignorant who signs deals like this. It is a promised getaway out of the ghetto or projects.
I think it is all a bit more complex, from how you propose it to be. Most of these guys aren't well educated to make balanced decisions.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Yes, raggaeton is derivative of Raggae overall, but as noted, the song Danza Kuduro reflects a strong Angolan influence in Raggaeton which also strongly influences Zumba. And it is this combination of the popularity of Zumba and the influence of Angolana music that has led to the popularity of Despacito. Not to mention the popularity of movies like The Fast and Furious that featured Danza Kudoro in the sound track.
It has literally nothing to do with Jay Z's album.
However, Jay Z did incorporated a few reggae songs / samples.
Sister Nancy -Bam Bam
Jacob Miller - Tenement Yard
Nicodemus, Super Cat and Junior Demus - Prerogative
Including Afro Latin: Totó La Momposina's La Verdolaga Totó La Momposina La Verdolaga
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Funny enough on the topic of the N-word, today the supreme court allowed people to copyright racial slurs and already a dude has filed a copyright for the term "ni**a" and said he wants to make t-shirts with positive messages featuring the term..... Now show me Asians doing the same or Mexicans and so forth....
I understand that over time it has become deeply ingrained into the culture.
Why would I need you to show you anything?
It is ignorant and foolish black people in America who do the things. They are mental slaves, who refuse to admitted that and will fight that with all they've got. This is why "The Story of O.J." video is so strong.
Now show me Asians or Mexicans and so forth … being subjected to the mental terror that was imposed upon black America.
You need to understand the psychology.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: The proper word is "Humanities"
Humanities are academic disciplines that study aspects of human culture. The humanities are more frequently contrasted with natural, and sometimes social sciences as well as professional training
Humanities
1.1 Anthropology 1.2 Archaeology 1.3 Classics 1.4 History 1.5 Linguistics and languages 1.6 Law and politics 1.7 Literature 1.8 Performing arts 1.9 Philosophy 1.10 Religion 1.11 Visual arts
I care little for your supposed "correct spelling", the facts remain the same.
"Based on Georgetown University's study of college majors, BET.com breaks down are deemed the most likely to be held by African-Americans."
So why don't the show the actual study instead of some weird cramped page? Basically all other BS-stories are elaborated. And that webpage gives me headaches. It's a mess.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Funny enough on the topic of the N-word, today the supreme court allowed people to copyright racial slurs and already a dude has filed a copyright for the term "ni**a" and said he wants to make t-shirts with positive messages featuring the term..... Now show me Asians doing the same or Mexicans and so forth....
I understand that over time it has become deeply ingrained into the culture.
Why would I need you to show you anything?
It is ignorant and foolish black people in America who do the things. They are mental slaves, who refuse to admitted that and will fight that with all they've got. This is why "The Story of O.J." video is so strong.
Now show me Asians or Mexicans and so forth … being subjected to the mental terror that was imposed upon black America.
You need to understand the psychology.
I am not knocking you dude. My history with hip hop goes back to the beginning.
My only point was that African culture is the basis of black music in America (which I am sure you know) and forms the root of American popular music. That was the reason for mentioning Angolana music and raggaeton.
As to the topic of the thread, Jay Z and other Negroes like him are not dumb and uneducated. They are supposed to be leading the way for other black folks who want to get into the industry and provide opportunities and knowledge on how to get ahead in it. But he is not. And all of this about the N-word, black psychology and the theft of black culture was MORE PRONOUNCED in the late 80s and early 90s which was the height of Afrocentrism in black popular culture. And all over the country folks were having lectures and discussions about consciousness and hip hop and how to move ahead. And even then there were folks involved who knew better but didn't care and were determined to go their own way. Like Dre said in "Let Me Ride":
quote: just another motherfuckin day for Dre so I begin like this No medallions, dreadlocks, or black fists it's just that gangster glare, with gangster raps that gangster shit, that makes the gang of snaps, uhh word to the motherfuckin streets and word to these hyped ass lyrics and dope beats, that I hit ya with that I......
So folks like him and plenty others know full well what they were doing and weren't just simple dumb uneducated folks who didn't know better. I mean his previous group was a bunch of poppers and lockers.
These people who did it had given up on the idea of owning their own and just went with trying to get record deals from these companies. And at the time, the N-word when it did get used was censored on radio because it was still considered offensive. But the record industry did nothing to stop these groups from using the term. Yet if these groups used other slurs such as "cra**a" or anything else, they would quickly be shut down by the studio.... There is a lot more to this than simple black folks on the streets. And certainly this song is nowhere near conscious like most hip hop was in its early days long before folks were getting record deals.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
@Doug M,
I did not say "Jay Z and other Negroes like him are not dumb and uneducated."
I said: "ignorant and foolish".
Jay Z and "negroes like him" can only do so much….If other don't want to grow and rather stick to "hood mentality" that's up to them. Jay Z has provided opportunities for others, so when they mess it up it's not Jay Z's fault.
Jay Z: The Rise To Success (Motivational Documentary)
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: So folks like him and plenty others know full well what they were doing and weren't just simple dumb uneducated folks who didn't know better. I mean his previous group was a bunch of poppers and lockers.
These people who did it had given up on the idea of owning their own and just went with trying to get record deals from these companies. And at the time, the N-word when it did get used was censored on radio because it was still considered offensive. But the record industry did nothing to stop these groups from using the term. Yet if these groups used other slurs such as "cra**a" or anything else, they would quickly be shut down by the studio.... There is a lot more to this than simple black folks on the streets. And certainly this song is nowhere near conscious like most hip hop was in its early days long before folks were getting record deals.
Of course that is the power structure. AKA white supremacy. This is why they shut down conscious rap music.
Paris "The Black Panther of Hip-Hop" Breaks Down PopCulture & Rap + How it Screws w/ Society & Youth
[ 21. July 2017, 08:46 PM: Message edited by: the lioness, ]
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
And in "the Story of OJ". Jay Z blatantly is only doing one thing: bragging about how he got paid selling drugs (and putting black bodies in heaven) and singing about the "N-word". And somehow that is passed off as conscious rap....
I am editing your stuff for a reason and I have told people not to do this and it's in one of the stickies. You can use the word "Negro" as a reference or "Nigga" to comment on someday else in culture or history using the word. Or you can use terms like "Negroid" or "Mongoloid" in scientific conversations about skull or skeleton proportions.
But you can't use any of these terms as a form of condescension in the forum
You can't position yourself as "black" and call other blacks you think are ignorant "Negroes". That is a very similar usage to the N word. But regardless of the similarity it is against the rules of the forum to use ethnic words as condescension on a people or to imply their ignorance by using old obsolete words. Black people do not like to called "Negroes" in 2017 so we are not having it. The rule is very simple, in regard to ethnicity call people what most of them call themselves today. That is not perfect but it is the best we can do for a basic level of respect. You can say "Ignorant black people" but not "Negroes".
--lioness
[ 22. July 2017, 09:50 AM: Message edited by: the lioness, ]
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: And in "the Story of OJ". Jay Z blatantly is only doing one thing: bragging about how he got paid selling drugs (and putting black bodies in heaven) and singing about the "N-word". And somehow that is passed off as conscious rap....
I have seen quite a few videos where people give interpretation on this video and lyrics, but your interpretation is new to me.
House nigga, don't fuck with me I'm a field nigga, go shine cutlery Go play the quarters where the butlers be I'ma play the corners where the hustlers be I told him, "Please don't die over the neighborhood That your mama rentin' Take your drug money and buy the neighborhood That's how you rinse it" I bought every V12 engine Wish I could take it back to the beginnin' I coulda bought a place in Dumbo before it was Dumbo For like 2 million That same building today is worth 25 million Guess how I'm feelin'? Dumbo
It's interesting when you look at Americas history.
quote:Originally posted by the lioess: I am editing your stuff for a reason and I have told people not to do this and it's in one of the stickies. You can use the word "Negro" as a reference or "Nigga" to comment on someday else in culture or history using the word. Or you can use terms like "Negroid" or "Mongoloid" in scientific conversations about skull or skeleton proportions.
But you can't use any of these terms as a form of condescension in the forum
You can't position yourself as "black" and call other blacks you think are ignorant "Negroes". That is a very similar usage to the N word. But regardless of the similarity it is against the rules of the forum to use ethnic words as condescension on a people or to imply their ignorance by using old obsolete words. Black people do not like to called "Negroes" in 2017 so we are not having it. The rule is very simple, in regard to ethnicity call people what most of them call themselves today. That is not perfect but it is the best we can do for a basic level of respect. You can say "Ignorant black people" but not "Negroes".
--lioness
Of course the root word has the same origin. Necra.
[ 22. July 2017, 11:11 AM: Message edited by: the lioness, ]
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Funny thing Jada comes out recently and says she was Tupac's drug dealer..... Yawn.
This is the same crowd pumping their chests for being thugs and enemies of everything progressive that was going on in the 90s and clowns are sitting here trying to pretend it is positive.....
Fronting for white money and white institutions.
And now to hear these idiots tell it, they did what the "HAD" to do, in order to get money. Get money to do what? What was the goal? Seriously. Weak and lame excuses for being sellouts and traitors. All during this time folks were debating having black owned record companies and making their own records and having their own distribution and it was always these 'other folks' determined that they needed to just take a check from white record companies. And it isn't like there wasn't money around at the time. Rap is a multi billion dollar industry and most of that money is NOT going to black folks. Which means they are NOT thugs. Because thugs care about the money.
As if the 90s and the Afrocentric movement, the X hat and all that "conscious" stuff wasn't the most dominant theme in black life at the time. (MUCH MORE than what it is now). And the point of the gangsta rap was to shut down that movement both from within and without. And many of those doing it from within are those you see today who claim they did it all for the money and want a pat on the back for it..... Like Jay Z.
Everybody else in America right now is marking out territory. Everybody except black folks. People just got off the boat 2 weeks ago got more going on than black folks who been here the whole time. And when you ask what happened they actually say that YOU are the problem.....
Classic hip hop sound track set to a bunch of Africans looking like they are inherently stupid and backward having to learn from some Asian woman about something..... Talk about hooked on phonics.
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: And in "the Story of OJ". Jay Z blatantly is only doing one thing: bragging about how he got paid selling drugs (and putting black bodies in heaven) and singing about the "N-word". And somehow that is passed off as conscious rap....
I have seen quite a few videos where people give interpretation on this video and lyrics, but your interpretation is new to me.
House nigga, don't fuck with me I'm a field nigga, go shine cutlery Go play the quarters where the butlers be I'ma play the corners where the hustlers be I told him, "Please don't die over the neighborhood That your mama rentin' Take your drug money and buy the neighborhood That's how you rinse it" I bought every V12 engine Wish I could take it back to the beginnin' I coulda bought a place in Dumbo before it was Dumbo For like 2 million That same building today is worth 25 million Guess how I'm feelin'? Dumbo
It's interesting when you look at Americas history.
See above. Jay-Z was part of the "New York Crew" that came out making videos showing them on yachts and in fast cars (that they didn't own) pretending to be something they weren't. Jay-Z has always rapped about being a hustler and "big pimpin". And that trend is what De La Soul is rapping about in Stakes Is High because it is fake and glamorizing black self destruction....
So yes, Jay Z is talking about himself because most of his records have promoted HIMSELF getting all this money telling other black people to go out and kill each other and sell drugs to each other because "it is all about the dead presidents".....
Still waiting for the Mexican mafia to make rap videos or whatever kind of videos talking about how they are "big pimpin" and killing "we****s" down in Mexico.
And now as I mentioned before the Supreme Court is allowing racial slurs to be trademarked and a black guy wants to turn the "n-word" into something "positive". Wonder where the Asians are trying to do the same for "Ch***".... (Even though the rock group "The Slants" formed by Asian Americans are the reason for the Supreme Court case in the first place, you don't hear Asians calling themselves slants in entertainment or popular culture).
quote: AUDIE CORNISH, HOST:
Racial slurs can now be registered as trademarks - theoretically, at least. The Supreme Court decided in June that the government can no longer ban a trademark simply because it's disparaging. Ailsa Chang from NPR's Planet Money podcast talked to some people who are now trying to trademark slurs. A warning - her report includes some very offensive words. They're important to the story, though, because that sort of language is what this debate is all about. The piece runs just under four minutes. Here it is.
AILSA CHANG, BYLINE: Ed Timberlake is a trademark lawyer who's convinced the floodgates have opened. To him, what the Supreme Court has done is given the bigots of the world a green light to register the most disgusting trademarks ever. He's been making a list of all the trademark applications filed the last five weeks since the court's decision.
ED TIMBERLAKE: Gutter sluts, chink, damn vegans, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga and niggademus (ph).
CHANG: Wow. Wait; how many niggas did you just list off there?
TIMBERLAKE: There - at least five here, and there are probably more since then.
CHANG: So at least five have been filed since the Supreme Court decision?
TIMBERLAKE: Yes - a couple on the day of the Supreme Court decision.
CHANG: Wow, people were ready.
I decided to track down whoever filed those two applications for N-I-G-G-A on the same day the Supreme Court decision came down. Whoever it was, they were clearly determined, poised to pounce and own this word before anyone else. And it turns out both of those applications that day were filed by the same man.
CURTIS BORDENAVE: I'm in Columbus, Miss., right near the Alabama state line.
CHANG: Curtis Bordenave calls himself a consultant who helps businesses develop product lines and brands. He's filed a ton of trademark applications over the years, but trademarking nigga was about something very personal.
BORDENAVE: I thought that I had a duty - you know what I'm saying? - and a responsibility to protect that word, to secure that word - you know what I'm saying? - and to make sure that it's used in a way that I think would not disparage people.
CHANG: The race to trademark nigga is a race against the racists. Bordenave, who's African-American, plans to sell T-shirts that celebrate themes like unity and brotherhood, hoping people will connect those ideas with the nigga brand. It's his way of reclaiming the word. And he says he's glad he filed his trademark applications immediately because a few days later, another guy applied to trademark the same word. And what gave Bordenave a bad feeling was that guy also applied to trademark the swastika the very same week.
BORDENAVE: I don't know that party's intent. It doesn't seem like a good intent to want to have those two marks together.
This goes far beyond ignorance. Some folks DEMAND to be allowed to be traitors.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
J said:
"Take your drug money and buy the neighborhood"
So now that Jay Z is worth over eight hundred million, has he bought any neighborhoods?
Ish what is J doing with his money besides spoiling his kids?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M:
Still waiting for the Mexican mafia to make rap videos or whatever kind of videos talking about how they are "big pimpin" and killing "we****s" down in Mexico.
Tubas and accordions, guns and cocaine. Welcome to the weird, violent world of narcocorridos, songs about and for Mexico’s drug lords. The performers aren’t the first musicians to identify with outlaws. But unlike the works of Johnny Cash or Biggie Smalls, the songs belted out by the cantantes de narcocorridos are often commissioned by cartel chiefs themselves
A supergroup whose slick video “Sanguinarios del M1” is a shout-out to a Sinaloa cartel chief with an accordion-backed chant of “We like to kill.” Three million YouTube views and counting. Sample Lyrics
“Con un cuerno de chivo / y bazuka en la nuca / volando cabezas / al que se atraviesa” (With an AK / and a bazooka taking aim / blowing off the heads / of whoever gets in the way)
^ come on this Yellow man stuff is no better than De La Soul, never liked that song "Mr Chin" This toasting is practically the same thing as rap but with a yardie accent. He had a dirty mouth too
And we see where Damien got his style from, 30 years ago styles
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: See above. Jay-Z was part of the "New York Crew" that came out making videos showing them on yachts and in fast cars (that they didn't own) pretending to be something they weren't. Jay-Z has always rapped about being a hustler and "big pimpin". And that trend is what De La Soul is rapping about in Stakes Is High because it is fake and glamorizing black self destruction.... .
They had a dream. And they fulfilled that dream. Damon Dash explains this to Boyce Watkins in some interview. I don't know which it was.
They started out by selling cassettes, mix-tapes and CD's. This was the start for they empire.
Jay-Z appealed to the streets a certain section of the streets. First you go to the depths of hell, take them out of there and fix them.
quote: The Originators Jaz-O Featuring JAY-Z, 1989
[Verse 2: Jay-Z] Wreckin and wreckin in seconds less than speeds of light So the miggeda-more that come, the miggeda-merrier, right, right Excitin the mic much to the delight of millions of Nubians And Amorites just can't understand the groove we're in Cool, it might take a couple of takes for you to clarify Don't lie, you coulda never got in on the first try But never to worry, I'm not in a hurry, take your time Cause it's my rhyme, I siggeda-said so, and I'm J-a-y-Z, y'all know me I wish you co-write, cause you'd pay me all the rhymes you stole from me Leave you freeze in a minute, you gotta get in it breathin Only when it lets, no sweat, I stutter-step with ease, and Stop fakin, you're makin it, son I'm breakin and breakin and breakin your tongue Don't get caught perpetratin the cool ones Figure we're bigger and badder and better, and baby, let's face it We bring havoc, flowin faster than rabbits, try to race it The lyrical miracle writer, flippin until it drives you Crazy, seek spiritual help from Jaz and Jay Zee Standin in awe, you saw the best of em all, the rest will fall Requestin for more, jaws stuck on the floor These lyrics I pour, we saw, because we're greater And we are the thiggida-thiggida-thiggida-the (the) originators Word
Cure the blackman And bring him back to the way he was In his original state
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: As if the 90s and the Afrocentric movement, the X hat and all that "conscious" stuff wasn't the most dominant theme in black life at the time. (MUCH MORE than what it is now). And the point of the gangsta rap was to shut down that movement both from within and without. And many of those doing it from within are those you see today who claim they did it all for the money and want a pat on the back for it..... Like Jay Z.
This is the reality of most black people.
quote: Pluckin Cards Ultramagnetic MC's, 1992
You takin off and you're gold and for what? Because you wanna be down and so what? You buy your African beads from Koreans Africans, you walkin by human beings You don't know, you're so stupid Take the books you read you're still stupid Learn, see the rappers I burn You're coming next, it's your turn
I can open a few cans of worms about a few folks, but I am type of person.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Still waiting for the Mexican mafia to make rap videos or whatever kind of videos talking about how they are "big pimpin" and killing "we****s" down in Mexico.
But anyone who lets a rap record get to them like that needs to be mentally checked.
Great argument on the Mexican mafia. I do think that they have other means by making illegal money legal.
Many of my younger cousins, including my younger brothers listen(ed) to his music and all turned out fine, with high skilled jobs or self-employed businesses.
quote:Take your drug money and buy the neighborhood That's how you rinse it" I bought every V12 engine Wish I could take it back to the beginnin' I coulda bought a place in Dumbo before it was Dumbo For like 2 million That same building today is worth 25 million Guess how I'm feelin'? Dumbo
quote: You know you wouldn't be involved With the underworld dealers, carriers of mac-millers East Coast bodiers, West Coast cap-peelers Little monkey niggas turn gorillas Stopped at the station, filled up on octane And now they not sane and not playing, that goes without saying Slingin' day in and day out, 'til money play in, then they play you out Trying to escape my own mind, lurking the enemy Representing infinity with presidencies, you know?
And now as I mentioned before the Supreme Court is allowing racial slurs to be trademarked and a black guy wants to turn the "n-word" into something "positive". Wonder where the Asians are trying to do the same for "Ch***".... (Even though the rock group "The Slants" formed by Asian Americans are the reason for the Supreme Court case in the first place, you don't hear Asians calling themselves slants in entertainment or popular culture).
You already posted this, and I already replied to this. I have a busy life, I don't like to spin in circles.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Jay Z did a song in 1989 as a feature on Jaz-O's album Jaz-O was a Nuwabian at the time.
When Jay Z came out as a solo artist it was in 1996, the album Reasonable Doubt
There was a song on there where Jaz-o was featured
Bring It On JAY-Z Featuring Jaz-O & Sauce Money (hook, Fat Joe sample)
[Skit] Aye, Purse, rack 'em up, man What you bettin', Biggs? Bet the same thing Ay, yo, I got next, man Yo, you got the money, man? You ass bettin' ass, nigga The shit is right downstairs in the trunk Don't trip; we parked right behind each other, nigga I'ma get the shit before we go downstairs Yeah, aight, what's up with that case, man? Aw, man, it ain't nothin Ain't nobody snitchin' or nothing; you know our team is tight Still sittin' on seven digits, unlike you, you broke ass nigga Fuck outta here, this cat right here This broke ass, ass bettin' ass nigga Bettin' five thousand ain't got no money Chili cheese face ass nigga (fuck outta here) Sandy cake face ass nigga (fuck outta here) *Laughter*
[Intro: Sauce Money] Ayo, Jay, word up These mothafuckas fucking talking That comeback shit like they cooking crack Shit, I ain't fronting All I want my pockets green like slum change You know what I'm saying? Front the roll we roll back like rubbers, mothafucka, for real With no trace of A.I.D.S We keep our pockets fully blown Roc-A-Fella clique, nigga
[Verse 1: Sauce Money] We patting down pussy from Sugarhill to the Shark Bar Fuck a bitch D in the marked car We got the bad bitches gasping for air in Aspen Searching for Aspirin when I ascend, we swing You cling we do our thing and bring Slinging your ding-a-ling from Bed-Stuy, Brooklyn to Beijing East coast host is hostile colossal Money flaring like nostrils for drug dealing apostles Al Pacino down to Nino Brown Me, Jay and Primo, got it sewed across the board like Poquino Teflon, make sure your jammy is full Cause I heard, Sammy the Bull lamps in Miami with pull Tropical leaves where I got a few keys With my man I'll stock a few G's, now it's unstoppable cheese Said we was garbage, so fuck college Street knowledge amazing to scholars when we coin phrases for dollars Star studded bitches with crystals Get fucked with pistols, just to see my shit, discharge puss I drop the stellar, even acapella I got to tell all about Roc-A-Fella
[Hook: Fat Joe] Yeah, bring it on if you think you can hang And if not then let me do my thing Yeah, bring it on if you think you can hang And if not then let me do my thing Yeah, bring it on if you think you can hang And if not then let me do my thing Yeah, bring it on if you think you can hang And if not then let me do my thing
[Verse 2: Jay-Z] Mannerisms of a young Bobby DeNiro, spent Spanish wisdoms In a whip with dinero, crime organized like the Pharoahe I CREAM, I diamond gleam High post like Hakeem, got a lot of things to drop Brooklyn to Queens, I gotta keep my steam Niggas wanna try to hem my long jeans Uptown fiend for Jay-Z to appear on the scene In the meanwhile, here's something dope for y'all to lean Liaison for days on end Money make the world go around so I made some to spend Can I live, did dough with my nigs Dividends flow like the Mississippi Riv' looking jig Can't do for dolo, had to turn away when Tony killed Manolo That's real, mixed feelings like a mulatto Thug thought he was O.G. Bobby Johnson I played him like Benny Blanco, mano a mano You ain't ready, I fondle trigger straight up, shoot my guns horizontal Get your weight up, I am 2.2 pounds, you're barely 125 grams Wouldn't expect y'all to understand this money Do the knowledge, due to few dollars, I'm due to demolish Crews Brooklyn through Hollis to a hood near you, what the fuck?
[Hook: Fat Joe] Bring it on if you think you can hang
[Verse 3: Big Jaz] Money is power, I'm energetic with facial credit Pure platinum fetish for cheddars Spread lettuce heroes get deadish I make moves that remove pebbles out of shoes You suck pistol like pipe with the crystal John Stockton couldn't assist you Convoys of Benzes like we fouling in the U.N So what the fuck you doing? Whatever, nigga Fahrvegnugen, rugged yet polished Spanking dollars with the commas Banging bitches out the Bahamas On hides of llama we cry nada, fly farther Fry hotter, you die gotta, fuck with me witness mañana Absence of malice in my palace Call cousin now Dallas trigger finger with the callus Tip scales from mail to keep these niggas off balance Your frequent stops to O.T.B. you feeding me Steam a nigga scheming on the wrist action with the gleams Jewels for Pop Duke fulfill your dreams Never put the pure brown sugar before the dirty green cream
[Hook] Yeah, bring it on if you think you can hang And if not then let me do my thing Yeah, bring it on if you think you can hang And if not then let me do my thing Yeah, bring it on if you think you can hang And if not then let me do my thing Yeah, bring it on if you think you can hang And if not then let me do my thing Yeah, bring it on, bring it on, bring it on Yeah, bring it on, bring it on, bring it on Yeah, bring it on, bring it on, bring it on Yeah, bring it on, bring it on, bring it on Bring it on, if you think, if you think, if you think
^ Drug dealer music, that is what Jay Z built his empire on and he would tell you that himself
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: ^ Drug dealer music, that is what Jay Z built his empire on and he would tell you that himself
A lot of black people were annoyed by conscious rap, they were like "oh no not this again".…
The gangster Rap was marketed strong. This is why you can hear a lot of similar gangster rap songs of that time. One can wonder, was it the marketer / provider or the buyer /client who created this atmosphere?
I even new a guy who was into R&B and R&B only LA Reid and Babyface level. One day decided to buy the P.E. CD, his first rap CD ever. His girlfriend broke up with him over that, that and that only, nothing else.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
[QUOTE] Story of O.J. -Jay Z
[i]Take your drug money and buy the neighborhood That's how you rinse it" I bought every V12 engine
[QUOTE]
That's the message to the youth. Become a drug dealer so you can buy the neighborhood.
The great thing about that is after you buy the neighborhood nobody else can sell their goods there unless you approve it
Drug dealing is the first step to freedom
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: J said:
"Take your drug money and buy the neighborhood"
So now that Jay Z is worth over eight hundred million, has he bought any neighborhoods?
Ish what is J doing with his money besides spoiling his kids?
quote: He expanded the Roc a-Fella brand to include a popular urban clothing line and a film company. He started an upscale sports bar in NYC, called the 40/40 Club, and later added venues in Atlantic City, Las Vegas and Atlanta. In 2012, he became a part owner of the Brooklyn Nets basketball franchise. He founded a sports management company, Roc Nation Sports, in 2013. And in 2015 he launched Tidal, a music streaming service. Last week it was announced that he plans on creating his own venture capital firm, with longtime partner, Jay Brown.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
[QUOTE] Story of O.J. -Jay Z
[i]Take your drug money and buy the neighborhood That's how you rinse it" I bought every V12 engine
quote:
That's the message to the youth. Become a drug dealer so you can buy the neighborhood.
The great thing about that is after you buy the neighborhood nobody else can sell their goods there unless you approve it
Drug dealing is the first step to freedom
Drug dealers already existed and not because of Jay Z et al.
The problem lies deeper and is a social structure created by politicians.
quote:
Top adviser to Richard Nixon admitted that ‘War on Drugs’ was policy tool to go after anti-war protesters and ‘black people’
The Rev. Al Sharpton said Ehrlichman’s comments proved what black people had believed for decades.
“This is a frightening confirmation of what many of us have been saying for years. That this was a real attempt by government to demonize and criminalize a race of people,” Sharpton told the Daily News. “And when we would raise the questions over that targeting, we were accused of all kind of things, from harboring criminality to being un-American and trying to politicize a legitimate concern.”
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Still waiting for the Mexican mafia to make rap videos or whatever kind of videos talking about how they are "big pimpin" and killing "we****s" down in Mexico.
And this:
It's interesting when you look at Americas history.
Many white dealers / criminals have created inherited money, creating mega empires. So if you do it as a black person you might as well… That is what he is saying.
Do I support drugs dealing, no of course not.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Jay Z teaches the first step in buying your neighborhood is to sell crack. That's his message
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
The arguments against gangster rap are 30 years old. Gangsters don't rap they just do it and no you aren't going to be on TV and on records and REALLY selling crack and not get locked up. That is common sense.
Symbolically in the 80s and 90s a lot of black youth had an intense pride in self and self awareness of blackness (a holdover from the 70s when most of these kids came up) and as a result this flowered in early Hip Hop which was a rejection of the negativity and violence of inner city life. The pride was in the skills and creativity you possessed in being able to articulate and manipulate language to a higher form. By the time the Malcom X books came along and the Afrocentric scholars, these folks were ready and willing to jump on it as a manifestation of black pride. Early hip hop was all party and having fun. It was not about shooting people or selling drugs. That said, most house parties and other parties did have some sort of violence but it was mostly fist fights. And in those parties people did rap about being pick pockets, "hustlers", and other things. But the difference was, those folks were "repping" things they ACTUALLY DID. They weren't talking about fantasy world entertainment. You couldn't rap about beating down dudes in certain neighborhoods and not expect somebody to holla at you later on. So while there were some retarded juveniles (literally kids between 12 and 18) who wanted to hear "gangsta" rap, most folks knew that no black man is going to be rapping bout selling drugs on wax and getting away with it because it is totally fake. And that became one of the biggest criticisms of "gangster rap" is that it is totally fake. Yeah some of the dudes may have drug dealers at one time but once start rapping on the radio and on TV about it, you are basically diming yourself out. And no "real" criminal is going to do that.
So when the 90s came around many of the "conscious" or "creative" minds were already talking about rap as a force to "open up" the minds of more black youth to their power and potential as a people, rejecting the negativity and stereotypes of "traditional" media. Rapping was associated with consciousness and speaking "the word" was equated with manifesting real life situations in your mind and the reality around you. Thus positive uplifting lyrics expressed the power of the individual and the self to rise above and could inspire others to do the same. (As some folks said back then MC means mind controller. And as a result of the growth of Afrocentrism and the knowledge of KMT, many associated conscious rap with the god PTAH). Then on the other hand the "gangsta" crowd started saying that the youth wanted to hear the "reality" of the streets and that "gangsta rap" could be used as a tool to educate (Tupac Shakur.... child of a black panther). Of course many other folks rejected this argument and understood that it was using the words of rap to inspire negantivity and self destruction among black youth which was totally the opposite of the way and roots of how Hip Hop started. And it is no coincidence that this negative form of rap took off just as big record companies started investing in hip hop in the 90s. Because before that black folks had to make their own records, literally from scratch or sell tapes. So this argument isn't new it is old. Folks who were there mostly knew what they were doing and unfortunately the conscious folks were put on the back burner and real hip hop disappeared. Instead of creativity at manipulating words and rhymes it is about who can say "ni**a" one hundred million times. And most of those who grew up with hip hop have long stopped even listening to it....
Some of the most successful rap artists are a disgrace. They have no vision , culture , class & cannot articulate themselves. The majority of the consumers also do not share the same complexion as them.
Their are also very few avenues in employment where you could freely enter if you had a criminal background .. Ask yourself why & when did the music industry make it acceptable & respectable to sign & promote many who boast of criminality in the name of art?
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Jay Z teaches the first step in buying your neighborhood is to sell crack. That's his message
It's how you interpret it.
Rambo killed a lot of folks, but I never picked up a gun because of that. Did you?
quote: Jay Z - Where I'm From
Uh huh Y-y-yea Y-y-yea Y-y-yea (Brooklyn) How real is, this? How real is, this? (Brooklyn) Uh uh uh (Brooklyn) Respect this here, check!
[Verse 1] I'm from where the hammers rung, news cameras never come You and your mans hung in every verse in your rhyme Where the grams is slung, niggas vanish every summer When the blue vans would come, we throw the work in the can and run Where the plans was to get funds and skate off the set To achieve this goal quicker, sold all my weight wet Faced with immeasurable odds, still I gave straight bets So I felt I'm owed something and you nothing, check I'm from the other side where the other guys don't walk too much And girls in the projects wouldn't fuck us, said we talked too much So they ran up to Tompkins and sought them dudes to trust I don't know what the fuck they thought, those niggas is foul just like us I'm from where the beef is inevitable, Summertime's unforgettable Boosters in abundance, buy a half-price sweater new Your word was everything, so everything you said you'd do You did it, couldn't talk about it if you ain't lived it I'm from where niggas pull your card, And argue all day about Who's the best MCs, Biggie, Jay-Z, and Nas? Where the drugs czars evolve, and thugs are at odds At each other's throats for the love of foreign cars Where cats catch cases, hoping the judge R-and-R's But most times find themselves locked up behind bars, is that all? I'm from where they ball and breed rhyme stars I'm from Marcy son, just thought I'd remind y'all
[Hook] Cough up a lung, where I'm from, Marcy son, ain't nothing nice Mentally been many places but I'm Brooklyn's own (So where you from?)
[Verse 2] I'm from the place where the church is the flakiest And niggas been praying to God so long that they atheist Where you can't put your vest away and say you'll wear it tomorrow 'cause the day after we'll be saying, "Damn, I was just with him yesterday" I'm a block away from hell, not enough shots away from stray shells An ounce away from a triple beam, still using a hand-held weight scale You're laughing, you know the place well, where the liquor stores and the base well And government.. fuck government, niggas politic theyselves Where we call the cops the A-Team cause they hop out of vans and spray things And life expectancy so low we making out wills at eighteens Where how you get rid of guys who step out of line, your rep solidifies So tell me when I rap, you think I give a fuck who criticize? If the shit is lies, God strike me and I got a question Are you forgiving guys who live just like me? We'll never know One day I prayed to you and said if I ever blow, I'd let 'em know The stakes, and exactly what takes place in the ghetto Promise fulfilled, still I feel my job ain't done Cough up a lung, where I'm from, Marcy son, ain't nothing nice
[Hook] Cough up a lung, where I'm from, Marcy son, ain't nothing nice Mentally been many places but I'm Brooklyn's own (So where you from?)
[Verse 3] I'm from where they cross-over and clap boards Lost Jehovah in place of rap lords, listen I'm up the block, around the corner and down the street From where the pimps, prostitutes and the drug lords meet We make a million off of beats, cause our stories is deep And fuck tomorrow, as long as the night before was sweet Niggas get lost for weeks in the streets, twisted off leak And no matter the weather, niggas know how to draw heat Whether you're four-feet or Manute size, it always starts out with Three dice and shoot the five Niggas thought they deuce was live, now I hit 'em with trips And I reached down for their money, pa forget about this This time around it's platinum, like the shit on my wrist And this Glock on my waist, y'all can't do shit about this Niggas'll show you love, that's how they fool thugs Before you know it, you're lying in a pool of blood
[Hook] Cough up a lung, where I'm from, Marcy son, ain't nothing nice Mentally been many places but I'm Brooklyn's own (So where you from?)
The arguments against gangster rap are 30 years old. Gangsters don't rap they just do it and no you aren't going to be on TV and on records and REALLY selling crack and not get locked up. That is common sense.
quote: As we escape from New York we'll see a whole lot of fiction
Drug dealers wanna be rappers and rappers frontin' drugs
Sadat X - Escapes from New York.
quote: Illegal Business Lyrics
Cocaine business controls America Ganja business controls America K-R-S One come to start some hysteria Illegal Business controls America
One afternoon around eleven o'clock It was freezing cold He was standing on the block Selling cheeba Mixing dimes Saying a rhyme Just to pass the time
The cops passed by But he stayed calm 'Cause the leather trench coat Was keeping him warm But this time they walked by real slowly He thought to himself They look like they know me
They drove away But he didn't stay He jumped in the cab And he paid his tab But guess who he saw When he hit the block It was the same cop car The same two cops
They jumped out quick They pulled a gun They said, Don't try to fight And don't try to run Cooperate and we will be your friend Non-cooperation will be your end
He jumped in the car And wile they rode They ran down the list of things he owed They said you owe us some money You owe us some product 'Cause you could be right In the river tied up
He thought for a second and he said What is this? You want me to pay you To stay in business? They said, That's right, or you go to prison 'Cause nobody out there is really gonna listen To a hood, so he said Good, I'll pay you off for the whole neighborhood Because
Cocaine business controls America Ganja business controls America K-R-S One come to start some hysteria Illegal Business controls America (What can we get for sixty-three cents?)
A guy named Jack is selling crack The community doesn't want him back He sells at work He sells in schools He's not stupid, the cops are the fools 'Cause everyone else Seems to go to jail But when it comes to Jack The cops just fail.
They can't arrest him They cannot stop him. 'Cause even in jail The bail unlocks him So here is the deal And here is the facts
If you ever wonder why They can't stop crack The police department Is like a crew It does whatever they want to do
In society you have illegal and legal We need both to make things equal So legal is tobacco Illegal is speed Legal is aspirin Illegal is weed Crack is illegal, 'cause they cannot stop ya But cocaine is legal if its owned by a doctor
Everything you do in private is illegal Everything's legal if the government can see you Don't get me wrong America is great place to live But listen to the knowledge I give
Cocaine business controls America Ganja business controls America K-R-S One come to start some hysteria Illegal Business controls America Illegal Business controls America
What can we get for sixty-three cents? What can we get for sixty-three cents? What can we get for sixty-three cents?
K-R-S One comes to start some hysteria What what what what What can we get for sixty-three cents?
Cocaine business controls America Ganja business controls America K-R-S One come to start some hysteria Illegal Business controls America Yeah, illegal business controls America (What can we get for sixty-three cents?) Yeah, K-R-S One comes to start some hysteria (What can we get for sixty-three cents?) Yeah, B-D-P taking over America (What can we get for sixty-three cents?) Ganja business controls America (What can we get for sixty-three cents?)
Cocaine, sensi, aspirin, coffee, morphine, sugar, tobacco Got to go (What what what what can we get?) Illegal business controls America (What what what can we get?) Yeah (What what what what?) Ganja business controls America (What what what can we get for sixty-three cents?) Yeah, cocaine business controls America (What what what what can we get?) Illegal business controls America
Boogie Down Productions – Illegal Business
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] Jay Z teaches the first step in buying your neighborhood is to sell crack. That's his message
It's how you interpret it.
Rambo killed a lot of folks, but I never picked up a gun because of that.
quote: Jay Z - Where I'm From
Niggas thought they deuce was live, now I hit 'em with trips And I reached down for their money, pa forget about this This time around it's platinum, like the shit on my wrist And this Glock on my waist, y'all can't do shit about this
The song is poetically written. He's saying he's tough because he comes from a tough neighborhood. He shoots somebody and when they're down on the ground he takes their money. There's nothing they can do about it, he has the glock on his waist.
Rambo a former U.S. soldier lives in Thailand, in a village near the Burmese border and makes a living capturing snakes and selling them in a nearby village. Rambo gets in a confrontation with the Burmese army
You are not likely to relate to that
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by tific:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
How do I know this? I was one of the original B-Girls
Some of the most successful rap artists are a disgrace. They have no vision , culture , class & cannot articulate themselves. The majority of the consumers also do not share the same complexion as them.
Their are also very few avenues in employment where you could freely enter if you had a criminal background .. Ask yourself why & when did the music industry make it acceptable & respectable to sign & promote many who boast of criminality in the name of art?
lol that was one funny post throughout the history of the site.
"How do I know this? I was one of the original B-Girls"
That means the lioness is at least 55. And that is at minimum.
The original B-Boy and home-girls (b-girls) are from mid70s-early 80s, upwards to "less original" mid80s.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] Jay Z teaches the first step in buying your neighborhood is to sell crack. That's his message
It's how you interpret it.
Rambo killed a lot of folks, but I never picked up a gun because of that.
quote: Jay Z - Where I'm From
Niggas thought they deuce was live, now I hit 'em with trips And I reached down for their money, pa forget about this This time around it's platinum, like the shit on my wrist And this Glock on my waist, y'all can't do shit about this
The song is poetically written. He's saying he's tough because he comes from a tough neighborhood. He shoots somebody and when they're down on the ground he takes their money. There's nothing they can do about it, he has the glock on his waist.
Rambo a former U.S. soldier lives in Thailand, in a village near the Burmese border and makes a living capturing snakes and selling them in a nearby village. Rambo gets in a confrontation with the Burmese army
You are not likely to relate to that
Still you have people Rambo crazy in America. I am sure you can think of a few others like him in American movies, running in the streets of America, for instance: King of New York.
quote: Cough up a lung, where I'm from, Marcy son, ain't nothing nice Mentally been many places but I'm Brooklyn's own
Jay Z - Where I'm From.
The irony is that Ghettos (and some projects) are like war-torn areas. Constructed by social engineers.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Symbolically in the 80s and 90s a lot of black youth had an intense pride in self and self awareness of blackness (a holdover from the 70s when most of these kids came up) and as a result this flowered in early Hip Hop which was a rejection of the negativity and violence of inner city life. The pride was in the skills and creativity you possessed in being able to articulate and manipulate language to a higher form. By the time the Malcom X books came along and the Afrocentric scholars, these folks were ready and willing to jump on it as a manifestation of black pride. Early hip hop was all party and having fun. It was not about shooting people or selling drugs.
The arguments against gangster rap are 30 years old. Gangsters don't rap they just do it and no you aren't going to be on TV and on records and REALLY selling crack and not get locked up. That is common sense.
quote: As we escape from New York we'll see a whole lot of fiction
Drug dealers wanna be rappers and rappers frontin' drugs
Sadat X - Escapes from New York.
quote: Illegal Business Lyrics
Cocaine business controls America Ganja business controls America K-R-S One come to start some hysteria Illegal Business controls America
One afternoon around eleven o'clock It was freezing cold He was standing on the block Selling cheeba Mixing dimes Saying a rhyme Just to pass the time
The cops passed by But he stayed calm 'Cause the leather trench coat Was keeping him warm But this time they walked by real slowly He thought to himself They look like they know me
They drove away But he didn't stay He jumped in the cab And he paid his tab But guess who he saw When he hit the block It was the same cop car The same two cops
They jumped out quick They pulled a gun They said, Don't try to fight And don't try to run Cooperate and we will be your friend Non-cooperation will be your end
He jumped in the car And wile they rode They ran down the list of things he owed They said you owe us some money You owe us some product 'Cause you could be right In the river tied up
He thought for a second and he said What is this? You want me to pay you To stay in business? They said, That's right, or you go to prison 'Cause nobody out there is really gonna listen To a hood, so he said Good, I'll pay you off for the whole neighborhood Because
Cocaine business controls America Ganja business controls America K-R-S One come to start some hysteria Illegal Business controls America (What can we get for sixty-three cents?)
A guy named Jack is selling crack The community doesn't want him back He sells at work He sells in schools He's not stupid, the cops are the fools 'Cause everyone else Seems to go to jail But when it comes to Jack The cops just fail.
They can't arrest him They cannot stop him. 'Cause even in jail The bail unlocks him So here is the deal And here is the facts
If you ever wonder why They can't stop crack The police department Is like a crew It does whatever they want to do
In society you have illegal and legal We need both to make things equal So legal is tobacco Illegal is speed Legal is aspirin Illegal is weed Crack is illegal, 'cause they cannot stop ya But cocaine is legal if its owned by a doctor
Everything you do in private is illegal Everything's legal if the government can see you Don't get me wrong America is great place to live But listen to the knowledge I give
Cocaine business controls America Ganja business controls America K-R-S One come to start some hysteria Illegal Business controls America Illegal Business controls America
What can we get for sixty-three cents? What can we get for sixty-three cents? What can we get for sixty-three cents?
K-R-S One comes to start some hysteria What what what what What can we get for sixty-three cents?
Cocaine business controls America Ganja business controls America K-R-S One come to start some hysteria Illegal Business controls America Yeah, illegal business controls America (What can we get for sixty-three cents?) Yeah, K-R-S One comes to start some hysteria (What can we get for sixty-three cents?) Yeah, B-D-P taking over America (What can we get for sixty-three cents?) Ganja business controls America (What can we get for sixty-three cents?)
Cocaine, sensi, aspirin, coffee, morphine, sugar, tobacco Got to go (What what what what can we get?) Illegal business controls America (What what what can we get?) Yeah (What what what what?) Ganja business controls America (What what what can we get for sixty-three cents?) Yeah, cocaine business controls America (What what what what can we get?) Illegal business controls America
Boogie Down Productions – Illegal Business
The funniest part of the whole story is that the music business is controlled by white, jewish and italian thugs. And black folks from the hood never ever went up and bucked on them folks. They fell right in line when it came to going up against real thugs. This is why they don't rap about killing cra***s. They are scared. But they got no problem talking about killing and disrespecting other black folks. And hence those that so called "made it" in the industry are just fronting because all the real money is still going to white hands.
What is a mafia? In reality it is all about control of economic activity. The history of America with its ethnic rivalries and systematic racism was basically formed as a Anglo mafia system. The Anglos ran the country on the charter received from Europe for profiting off the land, labor and wealth of the Native Americans. The Italians, Jews, Irish and other ethnic Europeans had to fight between themselves to establish their own economic opportunities, giving rise to "mafias" which started out as looking to control the money in their respective "hoods" or "slums". (The first slums in America were populated by white folks not Africans). As time went on these other groups were able to move on and integrate into the larger society, with their mafias still in place but now more assimilated into the "mainstream" criminal system. And for most of American cinema history and real life history the face of crime was white and the adored and revered outlaws all white of course because America is an outlaw country. Black folks never were part of this criminal enterprise. At best they could be flunkies and tokens. So by the 70s and 80s when you hear about all these black drug kingpins what you are seeing are flunkies and tokens and white media making black folks the face of crime in the news and in the media. And this also represents the real mafias using black wannabes as the tool to destroy black society, because too many black kids want to be Al Capone (who was racist and hated Ni**as) but how many white kids want to be Bumpy Johnson? All of which is nothing more than the continuation of the historic racial stereotypes used to justify enslavement and oppression of Africans which now has morphed into the criminal industrial complex. Which means black men can be seen as a threat just for being black regardless of whether or not they are criminals. And gangsta rap is simply pushing the same agenda by the white media and white mafia using black flunkies as fronts. Sadly now not only do you have to deal with the old mafias and racists you now have new folks in terms of the Mexicans, Asians and other groups moving to America. And all these folks have mafias of their own and in this sense I am not talking about crime, but about keeping money within the community. All these other groups strongly adhere to a principle of group first. Black folks are the only ones who put everybody else first before their own group. NOBODY else does this in America or on the planet. And all these other groups are bypassing black folks getting greater economic assimilation and opportunities than all the black folks who did the fighting and dying against racism to make those opportunities possible for others to take advantage of.
So all that said, if you are really "hungry" coming up in the streets and really hard core and willing to do what it takes to get to the top, then you should be taking over the rap industry as an industry because that is where the money is. Black folks by rights should run the industry, if not a large portion of it. But they don't. Therefore they are not and can never really be thugs or a "mafia" in that system. They don't run nothing and aren't taking the money from anybody (like other folks are taking money from black folks).
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
No worries Baby and Rick Ross can start a distribution company
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: No worries Baby and Rick Ross can start a distribution company
lol @ the midgets.
So, when are you going to mention the giants?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: No worries Baby and Rick Ross can start a distribution company
lol @ the midgets.
So, when are you going to mention the giants?
Go ahead, list the biggest black owned labels, 2017
Those would be the most likely labels, the ones if they collaborated with each other who might enough money to try to start a distribution company competitive with the big ones as per distributing hip hop music
also Kanye West's G.O.O.D music , Drakes company and T.I's Grand Hustle
However, more and more digital distribution is bypassing these companies
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: No worries Baby and Rick Ross can start a distribution company
lol @ the midgets.
So, when are you going to mention the giants?
Go ahead, list the biggest black owned labels, 2017
Those would be the most likely labels, the ones if they collaborated with each other who might enough money to try to start a distribution company competitive with the big ones as per distributing hip hop music
also Kanye West's G.O.O.D music , Drakes company and T.I's Grand Hustle
However, more and more digital distribution is bypassing these companies
LOL I asked you first.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
I just mentioned the largest black owned labels in hip hop. That means if there was to be a black owned distribution company they are the ones, if some got together, most likely to have the money and hip hop music production background to form such a corporation on a scale competitive with the existing distribution companies but focused solely on hip hop. They could also have black investors who might be from other non-music businesses. Also Dr. Dre $830 M Jay Z $810 M Sean Combs – Diddy $750 M Russell Simmons $325 M Master P $350 M Eminem $210 M
^ some of them collaborating would be amongst the most likely to have the money and music background to start a distribution company competitive on the hip hop market
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I just mentioned the largest black owned labels in hip hop. That means if there was to be a black owned distribution company they are the ones, if some got together, most likely to have the money and hip hop music production background to form such a corporation on a scale competitive with the existing distribution companies but focused solely on hip hop. They could also have black investors who might be from other non-music businesses. Also Dr. Dre $830 M Jay Z $810 M Sean Combs – Diddy $750 M Russell Simmons $325 M Master P $350 M Eminem $210 M
^ some of them collaborating would be amongst the most likely to have the money and music background to start a distribution company competitive on the hip hop market
I asked, so when are you going to mention the giants? What you posted is peanuts. What I mean by giants are the conventional labels.
And most of what these moguls made was made only within the last 10 to 20 years. The derogatory and exploitation has been going on much longer.
A of course I understand that when they bring capital together they can change the market, slowly.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: However, more and more digital distribution is bypassing these companies
Digital distribution in most cases is still depending on conventional labels. They do marketing and have inherited connections.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I just mentioned the largest black owned labels in hip hop. That means if there was to be a black owned distribution company they are the ones, if some got together, most likely to have the money and hip hop music production background to form such a corporation on a scale competitive with the existing distribution companies but focused solely on hip hop. They could also have black investors who might be from other non-music businesses. Also Dr. Dre $830 M Jay Z $810 M Sean Combs – Diddy $750 M Russell Simmons $325 M Master P $350 M Eminem $210 M
^ some of them collaborating would be amongst the most likely to have the money and music background to start a distribution company competitive on the hip hop market [/qb]
I asked, so when are you going to mention the giants?
I told you I don't do test questions, questions where the person asking already knows the answer and questions that any fool can go look up on google.
Secondly your question is diversionary
Doug said:
quote:Originally posted by Doug M:
So all that said, if you are really "hungry" coming up in the streets and really hard core and willing to do what it takes to get to the top, then you should be taking over the rap industry as an industry because that is where the money is. Black folks by rights should run the industry, if not a large portion of it. But they don't. Therefore they are not and can never really be thugs or a "mafia" in that system. They don't run nothing and aren't taking the money from anybody (like other folks are taking money from black folks). [/qb]
So it is irrelevant to Doug's statement to state who the largest labels and distributers of hip hop music are are because Doug was talking about blacks taking over the hip hop industry. So I pointed out who the people are in the strongest position to collaborate and do that.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I told you I don't do test questions, questions where the person asking already knows the answer and questions that any fool can go look up on google.
If you are part of a conversation, then at least have some decency in responding properly. And you are a fool, so my question to you made perfect sense. So instead of dancing around the question, answer the question so I can walk you trough reality.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Secondly your question is diversionary
What Doug proposed looks nice and dandy on paper, but that is not how the business world works.
In early days you had independent labels (white and black labels), but still depending on distribution and marketing, this is the core of how the music industry works. These large labels have the largest capital and biggest share in the industry.
You need to stop hiding behind peoples post, simply because you can't formulate in an intelligent way a preposition. It indeed makes you look like a fool. So you'll shift it into me being diversionary. Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
The easiest way to take over the music industry is for black Artists to boycott it. Period. Game over. But black folks don't have enough unity of agenda and purpose to do that. Back in the 70s and 80s there was no possibility for black youth rapping to get a record deal, therefore they had no choice but to distribute their own tapes and make their own records. That was the only way hip hop could be heard unless you saw it performed live in a playground or in a party. So black folks were already doing the work of establishing their own industry. Most of the time when you went to any large event with DJs you saw plenty of black folks selling music tapes out of the trunks of their cars. DJs always made recordings of their parties and custom mix tapes. The problem is that as the 90s came along and record companies started signing black folks, many black folks simply said "screw that" and totally ran for the money from the record industry. Everything else about not being able to distribute music is simply an excuse that these folks made to join white record companies. And the downfall of hip hop occurred after that point.
It is funny when black folks complain about how they can't distribute something for legitimate money but have no problem participating in and risking their lives to distribute illegal substances..... It is hilarious actually. That is why these folks who came along with "gangsta rap" are considered coons. The move after the 90s was supposed to be about a new generation of black folks taking over and not allowing themselves to be exploited. That was the point of all the lectures, black nationalist identity and Malcolm X talk. But coons said "I just want the check and I don't care about that black stuff". So instead of consolidating and controlling the rap "product" (like good thugs are supposed to do), they decided to front and pretend to be selling crack 'products' on the street while in a record studio they don't own working for non black folks.... Hence why Jay-Z is talking about himself.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
^ NWA was the response to Public Enemy.
Snoop Dogg was the response to Tim Dog.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: That was the point of all the lectures, black nationalist identity and Malcolm X talk. But coons said "I just want the check and I don't care about that black stuff".
Executives and high level table sits decide what is going to be marketed and released, not the artists. Artists have no say in this, artists make less than 1%.
They know very well, when you offer "one hundred thousand" dollars to someone from the Ghetto or Project, that person will respond in most cases.
Btw, during the 80s rap was already a global phenomenon.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
NWA was the response to Public Enemy.
That is nonsense Public Enemy were from Roosevelt, Long Island New York Chuck and his peers as youths while attending Afrocentric summer camps at Hofstra University in the early ’70s.
N.W.A was from Compton California where gangs and drive-bys were dominant and black people weren't as educated as black people in New York and Straight Out of Compton came out in 1988, same year as It Takes a Nation of Millions The culture in New York did not exist in Compton and music alone does not create culture anyway
The big selling drug dealer kingpin rap came in with Notorious B.I.G., Puff Daddy and Jay Z in the mid 90s. It was it's own thing not influenced by N.W.A.' s gang oriented style By the mid 90s people were tired of conscious rap and became interested in the rags to riches type rap although Columbia tried to revive it with Dead Prez "Let's Get Free" in 2000
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
Executives and high level table sits decide what is going to be marketed and released, not the artists. Artists have no say in this, artists make less than 1%.
They know very well, when you offer "one hundred thousand" dollars to someone from the Ghetto or Project, that person will respond in most cases.
Btw, during the 80s rap was already a global phenomenon. [/QB]
Record executives from Columbia Records decided to promote Public Enemy and produced the albums> Yo Bum Rush the show, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold us Back, Fear of a Black Planet
etc.
Record Executives from Electra and Arista decided to promote Brand Nubian
Record Executives from Island Records decided to promote X Clan
Record executives from EMI decided to promote the Coup
Record executives from Columbia Records decided to promote Dead Prez
Maybe all this was a plot to make black people think revolutionary music could replace actual revolution, obviously these executives were telling these artists what to do
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: NWA was the response to Public Enemy.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
That is nonsense
The only one who is typing nonsense here is you.
This dispute was even in a RightOn, interview!
You don't know what you're talking about, so as always you try to keep the conversation going, thinking it will make the thread somewhat relevant.
I've met P.E. (and others) personally, so called "original b-girl"!
quote:
Lyrics
You spend a buck in the 80's, what you get is a preacher Forgivin' this torture of the system that brought 'cha I'm on a mission and you got that right Addin' fuel to the fire, punch to the fight Many have forgotten what we came here for Never knew or had a clue, so you're on the floor Just growin not knowin about your past now you're lookin' pretty stupid while you're shakin' your ass
Mind over matter, mouth in motion Can't deny cause I'll never be quiet Let's start this right
Some people fear me when I walk this way Some come near me, some run away Some people take heed to every word I say Some want to build a posse, some stay away Some people think that we plan to fail Wonder why we go under or go to yail Some ask us why we act the way we act Without lookin' how long they kept us back
Mind over matter, mouth in motion Can't deny it cause I'll never be quiet
Yes you if I bore you, I won't ignore you I'm sayin things that they say I'm not supposed to Give you pride that you may not find If you're blind about your past then ill point behind Kings, Queens, warriors, lovers People proud, sisters and brothers It's the biggest fear, suckers get tears When we can top their best idea
Mind over matter, mouth in motion Can't deny it cause I'll never be quiet Let's start this right
Our solution, mind revolution Mind over matter, mouth in motion Corners don't sell it, no you can't buy it Can't defy it cause I'll never be quiet Let's start this right
Our solution, mind revolution Can't sell it, no you can't buy it in a potion You lie about the life that you wanted to try Tellin' me about a head, you decided to fly Another brother with the same woes that you face But you shot with the same hands, you fall from grace Every brother should be every brother's keeper But you shot with your left while your right was on your beeper
Mind over matter, mouth in motion Can't deny it cause I'll never be quiet Let's start this right
As the world turns, it's a terrible waste To see the stupid look sluck on your face Timebomb alarm for the world, just try it Known to all zones as the one man riot I'm on a mission to set you straight Children, it's not too late Explain to the world when it's plain to see To be what the world doesn't want us to be
Mind over matter, mouth in motion Can't deny it cause I'll never be quiet Let's start this right
Record executives from Columbia Records decided to promote Public Enemy and produced the albums> Yo Bum Rush the show, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold us Back, Fear of a Black Planet
etc.
Record Executives from Electra and Arista decided to promote Brand Nubian
Record Executives from Island Records decided to promote X Clan
Record executives from EMI decided to promote the Coup
Record executives from Columbia Records decided to promote Dead Prez
Maybe all this was a plot to make black people think revolutionary music could replace actual revolution, obviously these executives were telling these artists what to do
lol You are too predictable.
Anyway, those labels aren't the main labels those labels are distributing labels. There is a lot of politics behind this music business. Yep, as always you are clueless how this works.
Posted by tific (Member # 22768) on :
@Doug M. A few points.
Whites & jews have always owned the majority of music companies .But the musical output & artistry was of a higher calibre. The Jazz ,soul & blues artists of yesteryear for example had many flawed characters who also faced discrimination & injustice but they never disgraced themselves women .culture , community etc . They were also well received & encouraged to migrate to Europe.
If I introduced you to a criminal associate who never rehabiliitated but wished to do business with you..A sensible person with morals would disassociate themselves.
Record labels are never going to merge because many of the owners or participants have already broadcasted that they are criminals. They may have some success & traction on a regional level but will never expand. The roster would also be restrictive & predictable otherwise you would have artists with polarizing & opposing views.Many artists would also be scared or intimidated & no one would care or sympathise if you were defrauded etc for obvious reasons.
If you look at the details you can confirm that the most negative & damaging acts are not as creative or talented as they like to portray. The albums have featured guests on every other track & a lot of their personal wealth is from investments.
Record labels are also brands & in normal circumstances you or a artist on your record labels conduct can also damage / eventually undermine your brand.
But in the bizzare ignorant world it can & has enhanced many brands.
A darker hue man could hypothetically rap about killing others but the content would eventually have to pass through the background staffof publicists , promoters , sound engineers ,djs , photographers , music journalists distributors etc. Who would be alerted & take action.
What purpose would this serve?
@Ish Gebor I'm not convinced that there are forces conspiring to limit, restrict or undermine rap. There are plenty of examples where a label may reject a finished album or sexualise / coerce the artist in a commercial direction.It would also need the background staff ( see above )to comply, assist & craft the product.
I also disagree with this defeatist notion that no matter how successful you are. You will always be viewed as a N.... By white supremicists.
Also the dancer is correct. Nwa were formed before Public Enemy. There are also plenty of interviews which confirm Public Enemy were not originally meant to be a political act. Pe's message also never seemed to work on Flava flav which undermined ther seriousness.
Krs 1 ( Boogie down productions )has also claimed that the Criminal minded album was the template but changed his ways after the death of his dj & partner Scott La Rock.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
quote:Originally posted by tific: @Doug M. A few points.
Whites & jews have always owned the majority of music companies .But the musical output & artistry was of a higher calibre. The Jazz ,soul & blues artists of yesteryear for example had many flawed characters who also faced discrimination & injustice but they never disgraced themselves women .culture , community etc . They were also well received & encouraged to migrate to Europe.
If I introduced you to a criminal associate who never rehabiliitated but wished to do business with you..A sensible person with morals would disassociate themselves.
Record labels are never going to merge because many of the owners or participants have already broadcasted that they are criminals. They may have some success & traction on a regional level but will never expand. The roster would also be restrictive & predictable otherwise you would have artists with polarizing & opposing views.Many artists would also be scared or intimidated & no one would care or sympathise if you were defrauded etc for obvious reasons.
If you look at the details you can confirm that the most negative & damaging acts are not as creative or talented as they like to portray. The albums have featured guests on every other track & a lot of their personal wealth is from investments.
Record labels are also brands & in normal circumstances you or a artist on your record labels conduct can also damage / eventually undermine your brand.
But in the bizzare ignorant world it can & has enhanced many brands.
A darker hue man could hypothetically rap about killing others but the content would eventually have to pass through the background staffof publicists , promoters , sound engineers ,djs , photographers , music journalists distributors etc. Who would be alerted & take action.
What purpose would this serve?
I am not sure what you are saying but as I mentioned earlier a "Mafia" is all about control. It doesn't have to be illegal. In fact the roots of most "mafias" in America came from the desire to control the economies and money flow in the various ethnically diverse neighborhoods of places like New York City. So the Irish formed councils and associations in their part of town, the Italians did the same in theirs and so forth. Illegal activities were only one aspect of this, but most of the money came from LEGAL exploits: contstruction, contracting, etc.
Black people watch movies from the 40s and 50s and all they get out of a Mafia is talking loud and acting boisterous and proud. That is called being "notorious". But that does not mean you are in control of anything. So if black folks are the prime talent and the basis of most forms of American music culture, then why don't they rightfully own and control it? Because they are disorganized and think as individuals and not as a collective. All the other groups in America have a strong collective identity and the original "mafias" were part of that concept. Just as the first settlers were part of an organized "corporate mafia" established by the royals in England to exploit the labor and resources of the Western Hemisphere and rest of the world.
Black folks want to be notorious they don't want control.
Definition of Mafia:
quote: a closed group of people in a particular field, having a controlling influence. noun: mafia "the conservative top tennis mafia"
Of course crime and criminal gangs didn't start in Italy.
Posted by tific (Member # 22768) on :
Doug M
The funniest part of the whole story is that the music business is controlled by white, jewish and italian thugs. And black folks from the hood never ever went up and bucked on them folks. They fell right in line when it came to going up against real thugs. This is why they don't rap about killing cra***s. They are scared. But they got no problem talking about killing and disrespecting other black folks. And hence those that so called "made it" in the industry are just fronting because all the real money is still going to white hands.
tific
Whites & jews have always owned the majority of music companies .But the musical output & artistry was of a higher calibre. The Jazz ,soul & blues artists of yesteryear for example had many flawed characters who also faced discrimination & injustice but they never disgraced themselves their women .culture , community etc on . They were also well received & encouraged to migrate to Europe. They owners may be corrupt but they never broadcasted it .
A darker hue man could hypothetically rap about killing others but the content would eventually have to pass through the background staff of publicists , promoters , sound engineers ,djs , photographers , music journalists distributors etc. Who would be alerted & take action.
What purpose would this serve?
Doug M
So all that said, if you are really "hungry" coming up in the streets and really hard core and willing to do what it takes to get to the top, then you should be taking over the rap industry as an industry because that is where the money is. Black folks by rights should run the industry, if not a large portion of it. But they don't. Therefore they are not and can never really be thugs or a "mafia" in that system. They don't run nothing and aren't taking the money from anybody (like other folks are taking money from black folks).
tific
If I introduced you to a criminal associate who never rehabiliitated but wished to do business with you..A sensible person with morals would disassociate themselves.
Record labels are never going to merge because many of the owners or participants have already broadcasted that they are criminals. They may have some success & traction on a regional level but will never expand. The roster would also be restrictive & predictable otherwise you would have artists with polarizing & opposing views.Many artists would also be scared or intimidated & no one would care or sympathise if you were defrauded etc for obvious reasons.
Doug M
The easiest way to take over the music industry is for black Artists to boycott it. Period. Game over. But black folks don't have enough unity of agenda and purpose to do that. Back in the 70s and 80s there was no possibility for black youth rapping to get a record deal, therefore they had no choice but to distribute their own tapes and make their own records. That was the only way hip hop could be heard unless you saw it performed live in a playground or in a party. So black folks were already doing the work of establishing their own industry. Most of the time when you went to any large event with DJs you saw plenty of black folks selling music tapes out of the trunks of their cars. DJs always made recordings of their parties and custom mix tapes. The problem is that as the 90s came along and record companies started signing black folks, many black folks simply said "screw that" and totally ran for the money from the record industry. Everything else about not being able to distribute music is simply an excuse that these folks made to join white record companies. And the downfall of hip hop occurred after that point.
tific
I'm unconvinced.. Your asking why theres no unity etc etc . When you already know that people are culturally incompatible. If people are acting in feral manner they will not attract professional organised people as the bar is lowered. The music industry also shifted from disco , soul , funk genres & groups with live instruments to Boogie & Electro using drum machines synths & more individual producers.
Selling tapes & live shows was just a residual income or promotional tool as you would have to pay royalties.The recording quality was also inferior.
Afrika Bambaataa - Death mix was a poor quality live recording pressed on vinyl. Live Convention 81 & live convention 82 were albums where they overdubbed the music over the live tapes to try & clean them up
Afrika Bambaataa' commenting on his experience with Paul Winley & Winley records. Interview excerpt from David Toop - The rap attack vol 1
"A wack company.It was jive.He put out a record called Afrika Bambaata's 'death mix'. That is a tape like - suppose she came to my party & made a tape & she made a copy for you & you made a copy for me & I took the tape & i gave it to him & he put it on record. It sounds like do do!
He had the nerve to put on the back im sorry for two records i did with you .you my friend & all that. it was really a bootleg type of mess. we didn't get any money for the first record.The first two he made was ugly anyway.I went to him saying i could make his company move. I had ideas but he didnt pay us no mind.. 'Zulu Nation Throwdown ,Part one' helped us to get downtown.
A lot of the new- wave people liked it.It surprised me 'cos i couldn't stand it until i heard it on the Ritz system. i started coming to the clubs & they were playing it alot & I startted liking it. Then we made part two with the soulsonic force which never went no-where. This company was just terrible"
Bam had ideas but went to Tom Silverman Tommy Boy records..
Sylvia Robinson of Sugarhill records cheated many artists & had mafia links.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by tific: I'm not convinced that there are forces conspiring to limit, restrict or undermine rap.
Where did I say I wanted to convince you, I don't even know who you are in the first place. But there are indeed forces to undermine rap. It has been documented, by recordings.
quote:Originally posted by tific: There are plenty of examples where a label may reject a finished album or sexualise / coerce the artist in a commercial direction
This has very little to do with (political awareness) conscious rap, mainly implemented towards the black community. Do you see the difference yet?
quote:Originally posted by tific: .It would also need the background staff ( see above )to comply, assist & craft the product.
I already wrote about that. What are you fronting? The executive has the end say.
quote:Originally posted by tific: I also disagree with this defeatist notion that no matter how successful you are. You will always be viewed as a N.... By white supremicists.
I posted evidence along with practical facts, it has little to do with what you believe or not. And of course not every single white individual thinks like this.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Nwa were formed before Public Enemy
No, they weren't. And can tell so by inside information. In fact another rapper was supposed to take Chuck D's role. This individual later became the rapper for another group, in the early 90's. P.E. was found early 1982.
quote:Originally posted by tific: There are also plenty of interviews which confirm Public Enemy were not originally meant to be a political act.
This is not true either, the concept was in long before.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Also the dancer is correct.
What do you mean by the dancers?
quote:Originally posted by tific: Pe's message also never seemed to work on Flava flav which undermined ther seriousness..
Flava Flav his position is / was to undermined the seriousness and act all coonish. This is why his slogan always has been "DO YOU KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS, YEAHHH BOOOYYYYY?"
All members in P.E. have a political position.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Krs 1 ( Boogie down productions )has also claimed that the Criminal minded album was the template but changed his ways after the death of his dj & partner Scott La Rock.
LOL … Okay.
"Criminal Minded" is kinda' philosophical don't you think?
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by tific: The music industry also shifted from disco , soul , funk genres & groups with live instruments to Boogie & Electro using drum machines synths & more individual producers.
Actually disco, soul, funk genres & groups were boycott in the late 70s.
The reason why live bands became a rarity was because of poverty in these communities. Most kids learned how to play instruments at school.
A few years later it revived with drum machines synths etc. Known as electro funk, house and in rap music.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Bam had ideas but went to Tom Silverman Tommy Boy records..
Sylvia Robinson of Sugarhill records cheated many artists & had mafia links.
All labels cheat on artist. That is what labels do. This for example is how Elvis became the king of rock and roll, with his "brand new songs". This is also how eminem became the "god of rap" (hence the documented recordings).
So what were these mafia links Sylvia Robinson had, you are refering at?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: rapper was supposed to take Chuck D's role. This individual later became the rapper for another group, in the early 90's. P.E. was found early 1982.
stop making up stuff
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by tific: Bam had ideas but went to Tom Silverman Tommy Boy records..
Sylvia Robinson of Sugarhill records cheated many artists & had mafia links.
All labels cheat on artist. That is what labels do. This for example is how Elvis became the king of rock and roll, with his "brand new songs". This is also how eminem became the "god of rap" (hence the documented recordings).
Explain how Eminem cheated artists
Posted by tific (Member # 22768) on :
The Sugarhill record label was created with financial backing from Morris Levy. Sal Pisello became involved later on.
There was a disco records demolition night in the Us at a sports event .Soul & funk music was not boycotted & disco songs were still released & popular in other countries after the event. Many of the older soul , funk acts & groups had difficult times when disco was popular.But the majority of them declined , split or were absent in the eighties.
Music tuition in education may have faced cutbacks. But other groups & genres still had bands . You presume that people had to have traditional tuition & were not self taught. It also doesnt explain the same events happening in Europe the Caribbean etc in many specific genres of music.
Rock & synth pop groups never experienced the same drastic shift.And people were not inspired to learn instruments & form groups when the older generations careers where resurrected & rekindled through sampling.
Public Enemy were not originally a political act .Their debut album only had one political track..I have magazine interviews from professor griff or you can email him to verify. The band had songs like Burn hollywood burn , Fight the power , She watch channel zero.Dont believe the hype.Night of the living Baseheads when Flava flav was a crackhead .
He even participated in reality shows & spin offs like Flava of love.The Surreal Life.
I have sources of Ice cube in a magazine interview who states that Nwa were out before Public Enemy. Bdp giving an account of his directional change after Scott La Rock death.
But it doesnt make much difference as your posts are innacurate & hyperbolic.
you claimed that there are forces trying to destabilise rap .They would have no need if they were boycotting soul funk disco etc in the 70s as you posted.
Even less convinced.
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by tific: The music industry also shifted from disco , soul , funk genres & groups with live instruments to Boogie & Electro using drum machines synths & more individual producers.
Actually disco, soul, funk genres & groups were boycott in the late 70s.
The reason why live bands became a rarity was because of poverty in these communities. Most kids learned how to play instruments at school.
A few years later it revived with drum machines synths etc. Known as electro funk, house and in rap music.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Bam had ideas but went to Tom Silverman Tommy Boy records..
Sylvia Robinson of Sugarhill records cheated many artists & had mafia links.
All labels cheat on artist. That is what labels do. This for example is how Elvis became the king of rock and roll, with his "brand new songs". This is also how eminem became the "god of rap" (hence the documented recordings).
So what were these mafia links Sylvia Robinson had, you are refering at?
Posted by tific (Member # 22768) on :
double post
Posted by tific (Member # 22768) on :
Back on topic.
Is anybody surprised to hear why 50 cent was shot 9 times When he came on the scene with content like this?
Shabba ranks was a dancehall artist who appeared on a tv show. The host asked him for his opinion on a Buju banton feature. Shabba Ranks responded to the question & was challenged. Shabba did not participate in the recording of the song but his international career was over.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: stop making up stuff
You know very little about the industry and culture.
I met many known people over the years in my teen and early adolescence.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Explain how Eminem cheated artists
Again, you are absent in this industry and culture. You know very little about the subject. But perhaps you can explain how it as possible that the white media outputs called him the best rapper ever, only after his second release? He immediately was given a "Hollywood blockbuster movie" called "8 mile", or something like that. Telling a fake story about his "live and struggles as a white rapper". Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by tific: The Sugarhill record label was created with financial backing from Morris Levy. Sal Pisello became involved later on.
The on going American politics.
quote:Originally posted by tific: .Soul & funk music was not boycotted & disco songs were still released & popular in other countries after the event
So who railed up against them and burned those records in that station? What was their narrative? It is well know this movement destroyed the base for these musicians? Even Nile Rogers explained this history and the social and finical impact it had on black musicians. The disco era stopped by 1981 and transitioned into R&B, from this came New Jack Swing. Now we have black singers who lost soul, and I know why.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Many of the older soul , funk acts & groups had difficult times when disco was popular.But the majority of them declined , split or were absent in the eighties.
They declined for the reasons I have summed up before. This together with more popularized "white influence" lead to decline of soulfulness in black music we have today (soulless).
quote:Originally posted by tific: Music tuition in education may have faced cutbacks. But other groups & genres still had bands .
These defunding especially hit black areas hard. This one of the reasons why Beat Boxing be came thing.
quote:Originally posted by tific: You presume that people had to have traditional tuition & were not self taught.
You need to finance these and learn these. The autodidactic learning part is one, financing is another. What do you do when there is no or very little money in the household?
They did not even have the money to buy records on occasion. Let alone instruments.
quote:Originally posted by tific: It also doesnt explain the same events happening in Europe the Caribbean etc in many specific genres of music.
Not really sure what you mean by this? What same events happened in Europe? lol Europe is a continent not a country, it's a continent with many different cultures.
What about the Caribbean etc in many specific genres of music?
quote:Originally posted by tific: Rock & synth pop groups never experienced the same drastic shift.
In fact the same group that destroyed disco records emboldened the rock synth pop groups / records.
quote:Originally posted by tific: And people were not inspired to learn instruments & form groups when the older generations careers where resurrected & rekindled through sampling.
These people had a different socioeconomic and demographic status. You are comparing apples with oranges. A sampler back then was at minimum 4000 dollars and up, way up. Drum matches were somewhat cheap. Late 80's these devices became cheaper and more affordable for the mainstream, however still expensive. By that time there were no bands playing funk like in the 70's.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Public Enemy were not originally a political act .Their debut album only had one political track..I have magazine interviews from professor griff or you can email him to verify. The band had songs like Burn hollywood burn , Fight the power , She watch channel zero.Dont believe the hype.Night of the living Baseheads when Flava flav was a crackhead .
The very basis for Public Enemy existence was political rap. I know for the inside that it was already in the making long before. Btw, what gives it away is the group formation. And even the group name Public Enemy gives it away. Once you understand the origin in the name "public enemy".
The reason why the first album had only a "few political tracks" is because it was unusual for people to have a rap group focusing solely on social issues.
quote:Originally posted by tific: .Soul & funk music was not boycotted & disco songs were still released & popular in other countries after the event
So who railed up against them and burned those records in that station? What was their narrative? It is well know this movement destroyed the base for these musicians? Even Nile Rogers explained this history and the social and finical impact it had on black musicians. The disco era stopped by 1981 and transitioned into R&B, from this came New Jack Swing. Now we have black singers who lost soul, and I know why.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Many of the older soul , funk acts & groups had difficult times when disco was popular.But the majority of them declined , split or were absent in the eighties.
They declined for the reasons I have summed up before. This together with more popularized "white influence" lead to decline of soulfulness in black music we have today (soulless).
quote:Originally posted by tific: Music tuition in education may have faced cutbacks. But other groups & genres still had bands .
These defunding especially hit black areas hard. This one of the reasons why Beat Boxing be came thing.
quote:Originally posted by tific: You presume that people had to have traditional tuition & were not self taught.
You need to finance these and learn these. The autodidactic learning part is one, financing is another. What do you do when there is no or very little money in the household?
They did not even have the money to buy records on occasion. Let alone instruments.
quote:Originally posted by tific: It also doesnt explain the same events happening in Europe the Caribbean etc in many specific genres of music.
Not really sure what you mean by this? What same events happened in Europe? lol Europe is a continent not a country, it's a continent with many different cultures.
What about the Caribbean etc in many specific genres of music?
quote:Originally posted by tific: Rock & synth pop groups never experienced the same drastic shift.
In fact the same group that destroyed disco records emboldened the rock synth pop groups / records.
quote:Originally posted by tific: And people were not inspired to learn instruments & form groups when the older generations careers where resurrected & rekindled through sampling.
These people had a different socioeconomic and demographic status. You are comparing apples with oranges. A sampler back then was at minimum 4000 dollars and up, way up. Drum matches were somewhat cheap. Late 80's these devices became cheaper and more affordable for the mainstream, however still expensive. By that time there were no bands playing funk like in the 70's.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Public Enemy were not originally a political act .Their debut album only had one political track..I have magazine interviews from professor griff or you can email him to verify. The band had songs like Burn hollywood burn , Fight the power , She watch channel zero.Dont believe the hype.Night of the living Baseheads when Flava flav was a crackhead .
The very basis for Public Enemy existence was political rap. I know for the inside that it was already in the making long before. Btw, what gives it away is the group formation. And even the group name Public Enemy gives it away. Once you understand the origin in the name "public enemy".
The reason why the first album had only a "few political tracks" is because it was unusual for people to have a rap group focusing solely on social issues.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Dont believe the hype.Night of the living Baseheads when Flava flav was a crackhead .
He even participated in reality shows & spin offs like Flava of love.The Surreal Life.
Yep, he was "he crackhead".
As I explained before he portrayed the fool. He portrays foolish black people. Griff was the intellectual, Chuck D the messenger. S1W rebels.
quote:Originally posted by tific: I have sources of Ice cube in a magazine interview who states that Nwa were out before Public Enemy. Bdp giving an account of his directional change after Scott La Rock death.
So you are telling me that NWA was established before 1982? Rap wasn't even a thing in L.A.
Dre was in glitter suits back in 1985, making West Cost Electric music. The group was called World Class Wreckin' Cru. I will make no big deal about the close, because it was a trend black then. I was a kid so it didn't effect me, luckily.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Bdp giving an account of his directional change after Scott La Rock death.
I have heard different. And it has to do with a few other groups from that time. The Informant was Ultra Magnetic MC's.
quote:Originally posted by tific: But it doesnt make much difference as your posts are innacurate & hyperbolic.
LOL sure, as I heard it coming from insiders. People I actually met.
quote:Originally posted by tific: you claimed that there are forces trying to destabilise rap .They would have no need if they were boycotting soul funk disco etc in the 70s as you posted.
But they did. This is why the uplifting black massage in songs is no longer. Instead we get to hear the destructive messages.
You just shot yourself in the foot.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Public Enemy were not originally a political act .Their debut album only had one political track [/QB]
The debut "Yo! Bum Rush The Show", is loaded with political messages and consciousness.
Public Enemy - You're Gonna Get Yours
No cop got a right to call me a punk Take this ticket, go to hell and stick it Put me on a kick but line up, times up This government needs a tune up I don't even know what's happenin', what's up? Gun in my chest, I'm under arrest
Public Enemy - Sophisticated Bitch
Little is known about her past So listen to me cause I know her ass Used to steal money out her boyfriends clothes And never got caught, so the story goes She kept doin' that to all her men Found the wrong man when she did it again And still to this day people wonder why Did he beat the bitch down til she almost died?
Miuzi weighs a ton is somewhat subliminal.
Public Enemy - Timebomb
Somebody to body, makin' a baby Givin' it to grandma then makin' her crazy I'm a MC protector, U.S. defector South African government wrecker Panther power, you can feel it in my arm Lookout y'all cause I'm a timebomb Tickin', tockin', all about rockin'
Rightstarter (Message To A Black Man) need no explanation, this is the most political song on there.
Public Enemy - Public Enemy No. 1 was just straight up raw hip hop, and unprecedented for its time. I still know where I was that day, when I first heard it. (those teen years are unforgettable)
Yo! Bum Rush The Show tells they will Bum Rush The Show.
Public Enemy - Raise The Roof is self explanatory
In school I'm cool throughout the week When the weekend comes, I'm down with the Greeks Frat brothers known across the seven seas Fly ladies of the 80's, sororities Zetas, Deltas, AKA's Women that keep me in a daze The A Phi A, Sigma boys on the move With the Kappas and the Ques and of course the Grooves And for real it's the deal and the actual fact It takes a nation of millions to hold me back Rejected and accepted as a communist Claimin' fame to my name as a terrorist Makin' money in corners that you'll never see Dodgin' judges and the lawyers and the third degree Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by tific: Back on topic.
Is anybody surprised to hear why 50 cent was shot 9 times When he came on the scene with content like this?
Shabba ranks was a dancehall artist who appeared on a tv show. The host asked him for his opinion on a Buju banton feature. Shabba Ranks responded to the question & was challenged. Shabba did not participate in the recording of the song but his international career was over.
Never really cared for 50 Cent and any of his songs. This one sounds like a weird diss record. However, I do like Power. It is well made.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
Bottom line, as stated already, the same forces that exploited black people on plantations for their labor are the same folks that exploited their creative energy and struggles against oppression in entertainment. For most of entertainment industry in America, the image of a "gangster" or "thug" was the white male. Rarely if ever was the black man shown as a thug. James Cagney, Humphrey Bogart, George Raft and Edward G. Robinson defined the image of the gangster on screen. And popular culture of the 30s and 40s was full of pulp fiction comics like "The Shadow" which were full of images of white thugs and gangsters.
But there is no coincidence that after the 60s, when black folks were visibly fighting for civil rights and standing up for "black pride" and "black power" that all of a sudden you started to see the rise of blaxpoitation films where black people became the face of crime in America. And along with that, the government and CIA created the notorious drug dealers of Harlem and elsewhere by supplying them with Heroin and other drugs from Asia and Latin America (long before Ollie North). And these drugs were intentionally dropped in the black community to stifle the rise of black people and black pride after the passage of the civil rights act.
All sorts of social engineering took place from white flight, rise of immigration from Asia and Mexico and the offshoring of factory jobs and industries, which devastated black communities across the country. And in the face of all of that, early Hip Hop was STILL positive and progressive reflecting the mind state of 'black pride" that still existed from the Afro Sheen era and young people who grew up with "Soul Train". If "gangster rap" was such an organic and "natural" thing then it should have been in rap from the start but it wasn't.
In fact gangster rap didn't rise until these black rappers were FAR AWAY from the streets in record studios and as employees of record companies..... All of which was done to prevent the rise of "a black messiah" or black pride from becoming too dominant in black society after the 70s. So instead they programmed black youth to want to be the pimp, thug and gangster that they never can be in real life because black folks aren't going to "get around" white racism by being criminals. And in fact the idea that "black thugs" are going to out hustle and out con the folks that hustled black folks from Africa and stole everything from them is an absurd idea in the first place. Yet that is exactly how they introduced blaxpoitation and "thug culture" to the masses with "Sweet Sweetback Badass Song".
"Thugs" or "bosses" or "real players" don't sit around rapping about things they haven't done or don't have. That is fake fantasy world nonsense. And black folks aren't thugs or gangsters in a real sense because they don't own or control any sizable part of the money flow, economics, politics or power in the country. At best the only thing they can be are nickle and dime crooks, trying to get basic necessities from illegal activities.... In fact this is only feeding the prison industrial complex which exploded for black folks after the 70s. All of this goes together.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Bottom line, as stated already, the same forces that exploited black people on plantations for their labor are the same folks that exploited their creative energy and struggles against oppression in entertainment. […]
Cosigned.
Another irony is that positive community movements in L.A. imploded and became extremely violent L.A. gangs, by the late 70's early 80's.
Posted by tific (Member # 22768) on :
@Ish Can you please stop portraying black people as weak unresourceful uncreative victims to curve fit your inaccurate theories?
Many genres of music have a short shelf life but still exist or morph into new genres when new technology or techniques emerge.
Punk rock , Jazz fusion , Uk jazz funk , Uk garage ,Latin boogaloo , Progressive rock. Ska , Pyschadelic rock ,New wave ,Freestyle ,Lovers rock , Rare groove , Acid Jazz. Electro funk , Electro hip hop. Synthpop. Detroit go go ( Detroit go go musicians crafted instruments from Junk ) Grunge , Swingbeat , Hip house are declining or unfashionable genres.
Disco was different because it was an expensive production & producer based genre. Many critics were opposed to the debauchery & some of the elitist nightclub policies . The market was also oversaturated & it peaked when Saturday Night fever was released. Rap & hip hop grew as disco declined.But a lot of disco songs were the foundation behind rap.
Many older groups & acts who were live performers had difficulty with disco as it was limited & expensive to re-create in a live environment. The high tempo & absent or repetitive lyrics did not suit everyone or they were uncomfortable with the other components. Record companies also tried to force artists with poor sales in that direction. Tina Turner , James Brown & many more careers suffered but some recovered in the eighties .
Nile Rodgers ( Chic ) was also a producer who had a lot of disco components in his acts like Diana Ross , Sister Sledge , Norma Jean , The distinct chic sound was also widely imitated So he & the imitators would lose more of their investment when it fell out of style. Nile Rodgers recovered when he produced Madonna , Debbie Harry , Duran Duran, David Bowie, & a rekindled interest in a really really really really rare obscure unknown song called Rappers delight.
Sampling uses recorded music to create new music. Samplers were initially very expensive & cost more than a house. But was widely used in Hip hop , drum & Bass , jungle & house. The older music became popular as hardware costs plummeted & many defrauded acts were rewarded with proceeds from sample clearances. But the desire for artists to form bands & play more instruments never kept pace.
Krs one - We in there .. " Your whole gangsta image is not legit You heard Criminal Minded, and bit the whole s..."
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Bottom line, as stated already, the same forces that exploited black people on plantations for their labor are the same folks that exploited their creative energy and struggles against oppression in entertainment. […]
Cosigned.
Another irony is that positive community movements in L.A. imploded and became extremely violent L.A. gangs, by the late 70's early 80's.
Yes. Unfortunately for all the esteem that black folks have for the Panthers and others, the fact is that rank and file black folks were largely not supporters of them or Malcolm. Their message was largely OUTSIDE the day to day interactions and gatherings of black people and black families across the country. The Afro and African dress became a fashion statement and not a serious mark of identity or organization towards a more independent and progressive black community. So it was easy to dilute, destroy and divert the message of those people, especially when most black folks view "success" as having a job and enough money to buy a house and/or car and take a vacation every so often. In other words, just keep your head down and don't make too much noise, except at the club.
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quote:Originally posted by tific: @Ish Can you please stop portraying black people as weak unresourceful uncreative victims to curve fit your inaccurate theories?
What inaccurate theories? "Ish" what? I don't know you!!!
"Disco Demolition" never happened?
quote:Originally posted by tific: Many genres of music have a short shelf life but still exist or morph into new genres when new technology or techniques emerge.
So? The irony is that in many of these styles have been developed by the originators who tried new things out, this is how Jazz musician created Disco. House has a foundation in Disco not because they wanted to, but due to the lack of instruments. So they used tapes and cut them and attached parts of the disco songs back to back. Like with Hip Hop the break beat was used back to back.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Punk rock , Jazz fusion , Uk jazz funk , Uk garage ,Latin boogaloo , Progressive rock. Ska , Pyschadelic rock ,New wave ,Freestyle ,Lovers rock , Rare groove , Acid Jazz. Electro funk , Electro hip hop. Synthpop. Detroit go go ( Detroit go go musicians crafted instruments from Junk ) Grunge , Swingbeat , Hip house are declining or unfashionable genres.
This entire summary is irrelevant to the topic, since it has to do with music evolution. And Go Go originated in Washington D.C. with Chuck Brown. And one point in time Go Go and Hip Hop crossed paths.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Disco was different because it was an expensive production & producer based genre. Many critics were opposed to the debauchery & some of the elitist nightclub policies . The market was also oversaturated & it peaked when Saturday Night fever was released. Rap & hip hop grew as disco declined.But a lot of disco songs were the foundation behind rap.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Rap & hip hop grew as disco declined.But a lot of disco songs were the foundation behind rap.
LOL When Hip Hop became somewhat known to the mainstream, Disco was already declining at the late 70's early 80's.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Many older groups & acts who were live performers had difficulty with disco as it was limited & expensive to re-create in a live environment. The high tempo & absent or repetitive lyrics did not suit everyone or they were uncomfortable with the other components. Record companies also tried to force artists with poor sales in that direction. Tina Turner , James Brown & many more careers suffered but some recovered in the eighties
LOL Why are you even mentioning Tina Turner, James Brown? These weren't the main Disco artist, they had a different style of music old R&B. There were dozens of bands making disco, funk …smh
A Taste of Honey, The Gap Band, Atlantic Starr, D Train etc
quote:Originally posted by tific: Nile Rodgers ( Chic ) was also a producer who had a lot of disco components in his acts like Diana Ross , Sister Sledge , Norma Jean , The distinct chic sound was also widely imitated So he & the imitators would lose more of their investment when it fell out of style. Nile Rodgers recovered when he produced Madonna , Debbie Harry , Duran Duran, David Bowie, & a rekindled interest in a really really really really rare obscure unknown song called Rappers delight.
Nile Rodgers himself explains that his disco was cross over type of disco for main artist who wanted to roll with the flow. It was nothing like the ruff stuff. He still is a great producer though.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Sampling uses recorded music to create new music. Samplers were initially very expensive & cost more than a house. But was widely used in Hip hop , drum & Bass , jungle & house. The older music became popular as hardware costs plummeted & many defrauded acts were rewarded with proceeds from sample clearances. But the desire for artists to form bands & play more instruments never kept pace.
Are you now going to explain to me what sampling is? lol
As a teen I use to "dig' in the Crates". And I know the price of samplers back then, we had one ourselves.
quote:Originally posted by tific: But the desire for artists to form bands & play more instruments never kept pace.
There are many different reasons for this of course.
I have never looked at that show, I am not interested in those type of shows. And he is not a traitor and embarrassment, he is Flava Flav and does what he needs to do. This is the part you still done get. He represents a portion of the black community.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: And in fact the idea that "black thugs" are going to out hustle and out con the folks that hustled black folks from Africa and stole everything from them is an absurd idea in the first place. Yet that is exactly how they introduced blaxpoitation and "thug culture" to the masses with "Sweet Sweetback Badass Song".
Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song is a 1971 American independent action thriller film written, produced, scored, edited, directed by and starring Melvin Van Peebles.
Van Peebles began to develop the film after being offered a three-picture contract for Columbia Pictures. No studio would finance the film, so Van Peebles funded the film himself, shooting it independently over a period of 19 days, performing all of his own stunts and appearing in several sex scenes, reportedly unsimulated. He received a $50,000 loan from Bill Cosby to complete the project.
The musical score of Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song was performed by Earth, Wind & Fire. Van Peebles did not have any money for traditional advertising methods, so he released the soundtrack album prior to the film's release in order to generate publicity. Initially, the film was screened only in two theaters in the United States. It went on to gross $4.1 million at the box office. Huey P. Newton celebrated and welcomed the film's revolutionary implications, and Sweetback became required viewing for members of the Black Panther Party. According to Variety, it demonstrated to Hollywood that films which portrayed "militant" blacks could be highly profitable, leading to the creation of the blaxploitation genre, although critic Roger Ebert did not consider this example of Van Peebles' work to be an exploitation film. Lerone Bennett, executive editor of Ebony magazine, penned an article entitled "Emancipation Orgasm: Sweetback in Wonderland" that criticized the film for romanticizing ghetto life, for opening with the scene described as the "rape of a child by a 40-year-old prostitute" and for assuming that sexual prowess was synonymous with revolutionary actions. According to Bennett, "f—-ing will not set you free."
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Shaft "the black private dick who's a sex machine to all the chicks."
Shaft is an 1971 American blaxploitation action-crime film directed by Gordon Parks and written by Ernest Tidyman and John D. F. Black. The film revolves around a private detective named John Shaft who is hired by a Harlem mobster to rescue his daughter from the Italian mobsters who kidnapped her. Gordon Roger Alexander Buchanan Parks (November 30, 1912 – March 7, 2006) was an American photographer, musician, writer and film director, who became prominent in U.S. documentary photojournalism in the 1940s through 1970s—particularly in issues of civil rights, poverty and African-Americans—and in glamour photography. As the first famous pioneer among black filmmakers, he was the first African American to produce and direct major motion pictures and creating the "blaxploitation" genre. He is best remembered for his iconic photos of poor Americans during the 1940s (taken for a federal government project), for his photographic essays for Life magazine, and as the director of the 1971 film Shaft. Parks also was an author, poet and composer
Super Fly is a 1972 blaxploitation crime drama film directed by Gordon Parks, Jr., the son of Gordon Parks who directed Shaft. starring Ron O'Neal as Youngblood Priest, an African American cocaine dealer who is trying to quit the underworld drug business.
Superfly movie/ Snoop Dogg video
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?^ SMH
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1967
Robert Beck (born Robert Lee Maupin or Robert Moppins, Jr.;[1] August 4, 1918 – April 28, 1992), better known as Iceberg Slim, was an American pimp who subsequently became an influential author among a primarily African-American readership. Beck's novels were adapted into movies, and the imagery and tone of Beck's fiction have been acknowledged as an influence by several rap musicians, including Ice T , whose names are homages to Beck.
Slim attended Tuskegee University in Tuskegee, Alabama (it has been stated that he attended Tuskegee University at the same time as black author Ralph Ellison[4]), but having spent time in the "street culture", he soon began bootlegging and was expelled as a result. After his expulsion, his mother encouraged him to become a criminal lawyer so that he could make a legitimate living while continuing to work with the street people he was so fond of, but Maupin, seeing the pimps bringing women into his mother's beauty salon, was far more attracted to the model of money and control over women that pimping provided.
According to his memoir, Pimp, Slim started pimping at 18 and continued that pursuit until age 42. The book claimed that during his career, he had over 400 women, both black and white, working for him. He said he was known for his frosty temperament, and at 6'2" and 180 lbs, he was indeed slim, and he had a reputation for staying calm in sticky situations, thus earning the street name Iceberg Slim. When verbal instruction and psychological manipulation failed to keep his women in line, he beat them with wire hangers; in his autobiography he fully concedes he was a ruthless, vicious man.[5]
Slim had been involved with several other popular pimps, one of them Albert "Baby" Bell,[6] a man born in 1899 who had been pimping for decades and had a Duesenberg and a bejeweled pet ocelot.[6] Another pimp, who had gotten Slim hooked on heroin, went by the name of "Satin"[6] and was a major drug figure in Eastern America.[5]
Slim was noted for being able to effectively conceal his emotions throughout his pimping career, something he said he learned from Baby Bell: "A pimp has gotta know his whores, but not let them know him; he's gotta be god all the way."
In 1961, Maupin left prison after serving 10 months of solitary confinement, in a Cook County jail. He believed he was too old for the life of pimping, unable to compete with younger, more ruthless pimps. In an interview with the Washington Post, he said he retired, "because I was old. I did not want to be teased, tormented and brutalized by young whores."[4]
In 1961, Maupin moved to Los Angeles and changed his name to Robert Beck, taking the last name of the man his mother was married to at the time.[3] He met Betty Shue, who became his common-law wife and the mother of his three daughters, while he was working as an insecticide salesman. Betty encouraged Beck to write the story of his life as a novel, and they began sporadically writing some draft chapters. According to her, a white writer, whom Beck would later only refer to as "the Professor", became interested in writing Beck's life story, and Beck became convinced that the man was trying to steal their idea for himself, so they cut him out of the deal and finished it without him.[2][6][7] Bentley Morris of Holloway House recognized the merit of Pimp, and it was published in 1967.
Slim is an important influence on hip-hop artists. For example:
Rappers, such Ice-T, Iceberg Slimm, and Pittsburgh Slim, adopted their names in part from reading the author. Many of the current musical references to pimp culture, for example in the work of Snoop Dogg and Too Short, can be traced back to Iceberg Slim.[citation needed] Iceberg Slim's last book, Doom Fox (written in 1978 but not published until 1998), contains an introduction written by Ice-T. Ice-T's third album, The Iceberg (1989) is another major homage. Rapper Jay-Z has referred to himself as "Iceberg Slim" in his song "Who You Wit" (1997). Rapper Pimp C often referred to himself as "Sweet Jones", the name given to Iceberg Slim's mentor Albert "Baby" Bell in his novel Pimp.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: including Ice T and Ice Cube, whose names are homages to Beck.
I removed Ice Cube's name, as if that is some big deal
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I removed Ice Cube's name, as if that is some big deal
Ice T was nurtured by LA gangster lifestyle. It would be interesting to look at how progressive social groups shifted into gangs, or how these gang related groups took over communities. I am sure you have some great Africana sources on that.
Ice Cube his name is still in this wiki article you blindly copy pasted.
Your arguing against strawmen. You originally claimed that soul funk & disco was boycotted.
Ish Gebor.
"Actually disco, soul, funk genres & groups were boycott in the late 70s.
The reason why live bands became a rarity was because of poverty in these communities. Most kids learned how to play instruments at school.
A few years later it revived with drum machines synths etc. Known as electro funk, house and in rap music "
Tific
Now your changing your position. You dont even realise that link contradicts you & Your just posting now to mask your errors & ignorance ..
So we have a topic where Ignorant people are posting about ignorant artists.
Ignorance & Racism wastes time so i'm out. Here's the image links of Krs one & Ice cube magazines articles I previously mentioned. You can pm professor Griff.
quote:Originally posted by tific: @Ish Can you please stop portraying black people as weak unresourceful uncreative victims to curve fit your inaccurate theories?
What inaccurate theories? "Ish" what? I don't know you!!!
"Disco Demolition" never happened?
quote:Originally posted by tific: Many genres of music have a short shelf life but still exist or morph into new genres when new technology or techniques emerge.
So? The irony is that in many of these styles have been developed by the originators who tried new things out, this is how Jazz musician created Disco. House has a foundation in Disco not because they wanted to, but due to the lack of instruments. So they used tapes and cut them and attached parts of the disco songs back to back. Like with Hip Hop the break beat was used back to back.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Punk rock , Jazz fusion , Uk jazz funk , Uk garage ,Latin boogaloo , Progressive rock. Ska , Pyschadelic rock ,New wave ,Freestyle ,Lovers rock , Rare groove , Acid Jazz. Electro funk , Electro hip hop. Synthpop. Detroit go go ( Detroit go go musicians crafted instruments from Junk ) Grunge , Swingbeat , Hip house are declining or unfashionable genres.
This entire summary is irrelevant to the topic, since it has to do with music evolution. And Go Go originated in Washington D.C. with Chuck Brown. And one point in time Go Go and Hip Hop crossed paths.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Disco was different because it was an expensive production & producer based genre. Many critics were opposed to the debauchery & some of the elitist nightclub policies . The market was also oversaturated & it peaked when Saturday Night fever was released. Rap & hip hop grew as disco declined.But a lot of disco songs were the foundation behind rap.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Rap & hip hop grew as disco declined.But a lot of disco songs were the foundation behind rap.
LOL When Hip Hop became somewhat known to the mainstream, Disco was already declining at the late 70's early 80's.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Many older groups & acts who were live performers had difficulty with disco as it was limited & expensive to re-create in a live environment. The high tempo & absent or repetitive lyrics did not suit everyone or they were uncomfortable with the other components. Record companies also tried to force artists with poor sales in that direction. Tina Turner , James Brown & many more careers suffered but some recovered in the eighties
LOL Why are you even mentioning Tina Turner, James Brown? These weren't the main Disco artist, they had a different style of music old R&B. There were dozens of bands making disco, funk …smh
A Taste of Honey, The Gap Band, Atlantic Starr, D Train etc
quote:Originally posted by tific: Nile Rodgers ( Chic ) was also a producer who had a lot of disco components in his acts like Diana Ross , Sister Sledge , Norma Jean , The distinct chic sound was also widely imitated So he & the imitators would lose more of their investment when it fell out of style. Nile Rodgers recovered when he produced Madonna , Debbie Harry , Duran Duran, David Bowie, & a rekindled interest in a really really really really rare obscure unknown song called Rappers delight.
Nile Rodgers himself explains that his disco was cross over type of disco for main artist who wanted to roll with the flow. It was nothing like the ruff stuff. He still is a great producer though.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Sampling uses recorded music to create new music. Samplers were initially very expensive & cost more than a house. But was widely used in Hip hop , drum & Bass , jungle & house. The older music became popular as hardware costs plummeted & many defrauded acts were rewarded with proceeds from sample clearances. But the desire for artists to form bands & play more instruments never kept pace.
Are you now going to explain to me what sampling is? lol
As a teen I use to "dig' in the Crates". And I know the price of samplers back then, we had one ourselves.
quote:Originally posted by tific: But the desire for artists to form bands & play more instruments never kept pace.
There are many different reasons for this of course.
I have never looked at that show, I am not interested in those type of shows. And he is not a traitor and embarrassment, he is Flava Flav and does what he needs to do. This is the part you still done get. He represents a portion of the black community.
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AUDIO
Woman Files Report Against Hip Hop Icons #starInthemorning
Allegations Of Sexual Assault And Sexual Misconducted Have Been Aimed Towards X-Clan APRIL 27, 2017 by KIM MORANO
More disturbing allegations of sexual assault are being reported in relation to some of Hip-Hop’s most iconic figures and movements. This story comes from a Brooklyn woman named Patrice that is currently 41 years of age and lives in Texas. Star from “Star In The Morning” conducted a 19 minute interview with the alleged victim as she went into chilling detail about being raped by X-Clan members Brother J & Professor X at the age of 14. Patrice says that she had a relationship with Professor X (who is now deceased) from the age of 14-17. Patrice’s story starts with her being a fan of X-Clan’s music and wanting to be a part of the Black Righteous Movement. So the 14 year old sought out the X-Clan and was welcomed in with open arms by the women of the movement first then introduced to the men.
Patrice is a retired military disabled veteran that says she doesn’t want any money she just wants to see Brother J of the X-Clan behind bars for his actions. Patrice also alleges that Professor X got her addicted to cocaine at the age of 14 and used the method of drugging her to sexually share her with other male members of the movement. The alleged victim also noted that she never saw Professor X using any of the drugs that he gave her. Patrice had to get professional help for her drug addiction and professional help for the sexual abuse that she endured. We will keep you updated as this story unfolds.
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quote:Originally posted by tific: Your arguing against strawmen. You originally claimed that soul funk & disco was boycotted.
Ish Gebor.
"Actually disco, soul, funk genres & groups were boycott in the late 70s.
My "original claim"? I never diverted from that historical fact.
All these factors played part:
-"Actually disco, soul, funk genres & groups were boycott in the late 70s.
-"The reason why live bands became a rarity was because of poverty in these communities. Most kids learned how to play instruments at school." And schools in urban areas were defunded!!!!
-"A few years later it revived with drum machines synths etc. Known as electro funk, house and in rap music". That was when it was a BLACK THING, in urban areas.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Now your changing your position. You dont even realise that link contradicts you & Your just posting now to mask your errors & ignorance ..
LOL Blabber mouth, look here nothing here in my posts contradicts, because it was a turbulent time for the black community. I can't help that you lack this understanding of Black American history. And are disconnected from black America.
quote:Originally posted by tific: So we have a topic where Ignorant people are posting about ignorant artists.
So, yeah you're ignorant about black history in general, indeed.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Ignorance & Racism wastes time so i'm out. Here's the image links of Krs one & Ice cube magazines articles I previously mentioned. You can pm professor Griff.
Ignorance & Racism wastes time? Nope it is REAL. And it has effect the black community!!!!
[i]-"Actually disco, soul, funk genres & groups were boycott in the late 70s.
so you have no evidence of this?
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
[i]-"Actually disco, soul, funk genres & groups were boycott in the late 70s.
so you have no evidence of this?
LOL At this clown. I already posted this. And this again shows that you major are a liar, so called original "b-girl". And you are stunning people make fun of you, claiming that you are an African America female. But you don't know a damn thing about black Americans. I mean literally NOTHING, how the hell is that possible?
You always allude to the most ridiculous nonsense. Any black person of age knows what happened during those days, so called "original b-girl".
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by tific: [qb] The dancer was correct ?
pay attention:
highlighted portion. at bottom: Ice cube: " when we were doing records public enemy wasnt out yet"
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although Ice Cube was wrong
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by tific: [qb] The dancer was correct ?
pay attention:
highlighted portion. at bottom: Ice cube: " when we were doing records public enemy wasnt out yet"
_______________
although Ice Cube was wrong
So what was the first record they did?
Pay attention so called "original b-girl", Public Enemy was formed in 1982, along with a few other groups of that time. I am not going to mention those groups for spoiler alert. Originally Chuck D was not supposed to be the leading rapper, it was another person who's name I will not mention for yep again, spoiler alert.
I am sure you liked this release.
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by tific: [qb] The dancer was correct ?
pay attention:
highlighted portion. at bottom: Ice cube: " when we were doing records public enemy wasnt out yet"
_______________
although Ice Cube was wrong
So what was the first record they did?
Public Enemy was formed in 1982, along with a few other groups of that time.
If I said Ice Cube was wrong why are you asking me this question ?
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: another rapper was supposed to take Chuck D's role. This individual later became the rapper for another group, in the early 90's. P.E. was found early 1982.
Who?
"Check Out the Radio" is 1984 and was not an official PE release.
^ this is Chuck D and Aaron Allen, Spectrum, no Flavor Flav It's not Public Enemy
It doesn't matter when a group was formed it matters when they release music publicly
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
"Actually disco, soul, funk genres & groups were boycott in the late 70s.
where did you already post proof of this?
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: .
AUDIO
Woman Files Report Against Hip Hop Icons #starInthemorning
X Clan Responds To Recent Allegations #starInthemorning
I know of (inside) stories about groupies, I mean it's just horrendous what they are willing to do. It's not much different from rock groupies etc.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: If I said Ice Cube was wrong why are you asking me this question ?
You didn't have to address this, I knew it was wrong from the get go.
Unless you are posting under a pseudo name it becomes confusing.
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: I know of stories about groupies, I mean it's just horrendous what they are willing to do. It's not much different from rock groupies etc.
quote: Patrice also alleges that Professor X got her addicted to cocaine at the age of 14 and used the method of drugging her to sexually share her with other male members of the movement.
New York statutory rape law is violated when a person has consensual sexual intercourse with an individual under age under age 17.
So you think this should be changed to age 13?
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: If I said Ice Cube was wrong why are you asking me this question ?
You didn't have to address this, I knew it was wrong from the get go.
Unless you are posting under a pseudo name it becomes confusing.
You are the confused one. I posted Ice Cube was wrong and you still said " So what was the first record they did? "
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: If I said Ice Cube was wrong why are you asking me this question ?
You didn't have to address this, I knew it was wrong from the get go.
Unless you are posting under a pseudo name it becomes confusing.
You are the confused one. I posted Ice Cube was wrong and you still said " So what was the first record they did? "
Now I am the confusing one. lol
No, I know and understood what you wrote.
However, I am asking: "what was the first record NWA did?"
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: I know of stories about groupies, I mean it's just horrendous what they are willing to do. It's not much different from rock groupies etc.
quote: Patrice also alleges that Professor X got her addicted to cocaine at the age of 14 and used the method of drugging her to sexually share her with other male members of the movement.
New York statutory rape law is violated when a person has consensual sexual intercourse with an individual under age under age 17.
So you think this should be changed to age 13?
No, of course I don't support these things. But it becomes difficult to bring physical evidence to the table after all these years. And that is very unfortunate.
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: I know of stories about groupies, I mean it's just horrendous what they are willing to do. It's not much different from rock groupies etc.
quote: Patrice also alleges that Professor X got her addicted to cocaine at the age of 14 and used the method of drugging her to sexually share her with other male members of the movement.
New York statutory rape law is violated when a person has consensual sexual intercourse with an individual under age under age 17.
So you think this should be changed to age 13?
No, of course I don't support these things.
But if X Clan does it they are your heros so you call the 14 year old victim a groupie and then blame her
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: I know of stories about groupies, I mean it's just horrendous what they are willing to do. It's not much different from rock groupies etc.
quote: Patrice also alleges that Professor X got her addicted to cocaine at the age of 14 and used the method of drugging her to sexually share her with other male members of the movement.
New York statutory rape law is violated when a person has consensual sexual intercourse with an individual under age under age 17.
So you think this should be changed to age 13?
No, of course I don't support these things.
But if X Clan does it they are your heros so you call the 14 year old victim a groupie and then blame her
Perhaps I missed or skipped something, but which "heroes" of mine are you talking about? I can't recall saying any of that.
What I said is that it is difficult to make a solid case with these allegations of which there is no longer evidence if there was any in the first place. The statutes of limitation hinders the process.
And I know that groupies are willing to do certain things people normally don't do, despite age limitation.
But I am listening to the Star show right now.
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Woman Files Report Against Hip Hop Icons #starInthemorning
Retired military vet Patrice Griffin has now come forward to tell her story with regards to allegations against several members of the Iconic Hip Hop group X Clan.
X Clan (formerly stylized as XCLAN and often incorrectly spelled X-Clan) is a hip hop group from Brooklyn, New York, originally consisting of Grand Verbalizer Funkin' Lesson Brother J, Professor X the Overseer, Paradise the Architect, and Sugar Shaft the Rhythm Provider. The current incarnation of the group features leader Brother J, Master China, Kumu, "Ultraman" Ra Hanna, ACL, Lord Cza, DJ Fat Jack and Zulu.
STAR IN THE MORNING is the official return of Troi Torain aka STAR to morning radio. The ground-breaking, luminary who inspired generations of free-thinkers via his objective philosophy. Inducted into News Ones Top 20 greatest radio personalities of all time, STAR now re-enters the landscape with a new media model.
The new show is being produced by Lawrence “Shampoo” Coward AKA “King of All Blacks” from the Howard Stern Show. Coward whos been an on air personality for over 15 years via Stern was a central part of “Black Jeopary” multiple beauty contest and ultimately hosting his own show own Sirius XM “The Black on Black show”.
quote:[qb]Originally posted by Ish Gebor: I know of stories about groupies, I mean it's just horrendous what they are willing to do. It's not much different from rock groupies etc.
Did it ever occur to you that, if it is true the horrendous thing is that these adult males raped a 14 year old girl and got her hooked on coke?
If something horrendous occurred it's what the adults did
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: I know of stories about groupies, I mean it's just horrendous what they are willing to do. It's not much different from rock groupies etc.
Did it ever occur to you that, if it is true the horrendous thing is that these adult males raped a 14 year old girl and got her hooked on coke?
If something horrendous occurred it's what the adults did
Yes, that is horrendous if it actually occurred. But there is no evidence that really happened, other than the words by the retired disabled military vet Patrice Griffin. That is what makes it complicated.
That is seen from a juridical point of view.
Jacob York co-singed these allegations, but even that is not solid. It is complicated. And this was before the X Clan Responds To Recent Allegations, 29 apr. 2017.
"Jacob York Co-Signs X Clan Accuser And More #starInthemorning", 10 may 2017.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: It doesn't matter when a group was formed it matters when they release music publicly
Back to this dumb argument by you. P.E. came together as a group in 82. Some times it takes years to get on a level to officially release a record, certainly back then. This goes for a lot of artists. For example MC Shan, Ultra Magnetic MC's had demos ready in 1982, yet these songs were released only years later.
You are typically a person who doesn't know and understand how the music industry works. smh
No it wasn't a response to Public Enemy, that is bulls'
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
NWA was the response to Public Enemy.
No it wasn't a response to Public Enemy, that is bulls'
Yes, it was. It was in the RightOn 87'-88'. Ever heard of that? lol
Lord Jamar also stated that NWA was the downfall for conscious rap.
You likely don't understand the first solo release by Ice Cube.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
Anyway, back to the Jay Z hysteria.
KRS ONE was ahead, 1992.
Boogie Down Productions - Drug Dealer
quote:
All over the world...
[Hook:] Black drug dealer, you have to wise up And organize your business so that we can rise up If your gonna sell crack then don't be a fool Organize your money and open up a school
[Verse One:] Drug dealer, understand historical fact Every race got ahead from sellin' drugs except Black We are under attack, here comes another cold fact In the '30s and '40s a drug dealer wasn't black They were Jewish, Italian, Irish, Polish, etc. etc Now in '90 their live's a lot better They'll sell you a sweater, a pair of pants, cold-hearted But first sellin drugs and killin' people is how they started Drug dealer, black and Hispanic, stop killin' one another Cause in the ghetto we're all brothers Organized economically, understand the psychology America is the drug monopoly They own the block and kill your brother for Therefore, we got the same enemy - what's more, I go on tour But who do you think picks up the bill? A hard working fireman? Chill!
[Repeat Hook 2X]
[Verse Two:] Eighty percent of American business is created illegally This is a fact, I don't ask you to believe in me If you're really in the drug game to win it Eventually you're gonna get shot, open a clinic Again, if you're really in the drug game to win it Invest in a prison, therefore you can be put in it Everyone else did it now they chillin' Above the law, while your under the law still killin' One another, wake up my Hispanic brother, my African brother America's not your mother Or your father, so don't bother with right or wrong Just check out the logic in the song Organize, realize, become unhypnotized To the lies that youre livin' for the get high See many people have forgotten the fact That America was never ever built for Black So when some people are gonna run and buy crack Take the money and put it back into Black It's only logic, see KRS-One will rock it With knowledge, education for the people I'll never stop it Organize and legitimize your business Remember, everybody else did this
Anyone can use it to confirm that soul funk & disco was not boycotted after July 12, 1979. Disco was on its way out as an oversaturated genre with social elements that people were uncomfortable with. Uptempo music is not disco but a lot of people didnt understand the nuances.Many radio stations were also segregated & Disco , soul ,funk artists were also sharing the same record label as non disco artists.
It would take a lot more effort than a public demolition to destroy a music genre..
Chic released a new album Risque on July 30th 1979
Tim dog was not a response to Snoop doggy dogg. He called out Dre & Dj quik on f... Compton & Step to me. Dr Dre didnt have the lyrical skills to respond to a member of Ultramagnetic mc's so he got Snoop doggy dogg to respond on Dre day.Tim dog responded with .. Bit.h with a perm & I dont give a f..k
I forgot to mention that Sunnyview records ( Newcleus ) was owned by Morris Levy.
Roundup.
Nile Rodgers account of disco was inaccurate & unverified. Nwa was not a response to Public Enemy I posted links on Krs one & Ice cube
"All labels cheat on artist. That is what labels do" Is hyperbole
Your safe hiding behind genetic papers but failed the Turing test on popular culture.
Ignorance wastes time as confirmed.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
NWA was the response to Public Enemy.
quote: "I didn't know we were getting that kind of feedback in New York. New York always takes a long time to accept anybody who doesn't come form there. We try to pay not too much attention to New York....
When we were doing records Public Enemy wasn't out yet
-Ice Cube
So Ice Cube was lying? He was actually listening to the song "Public enemy #1" on a Long Island radio station and he said " damn, we have to respond to this" So that is how they came up with "Straight out of Compton" ? So Easy E had been listening to Public Enemy and he wrote the song " Boyz-n-the-Hood" as a response to Public Enemy?
Was Ice T also responding to Public Enemy when he put out Rhyme Pays in 1987 or Power in 1988?
Did the record company tell them to make gangster music but they really wanted to make political rap ?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: Anyway, back to the Jay Z hysteria.
KRS ONE was ahead, 1992.
Boogie Down Productions - Drug Dealer
quote:
All over the world...
[Hook:] Black drug dealer, you have to wise up And organize your business so that we can rise up If your gonna sell crack then don't be a fool Organize your money and open up a school
[Verse One:] Drug dealer, understand historical fact Every race got ahead from sellin' drugs except Black We are under attack, here comes another cold fact In the '30s and '40s a drug dealer wasn't black They were Jewish, Italian, Irish, Polish, etc. etc Now in '90 their live's a lot better They'll sell you a sweater, a pair of pants, cold-hearted But first sellin drugs and killin' people is how they started Drug dealer, black and Hispanic, stop killin' one another Cause in the ghetto we're all brothers Organized economically, understand the psychology America is the drug monopoly They own the block and kill your brother for Therefore, we got the same enemy - what's more, I go on tour But who do you think picks up the bill? A hard working fireman? Chill!
[Repeat Hook 2X]
[Verse Two:] Eighty percent of American business is created illegally This is a fact, I don't ask you to believe in me If you're really in the drug game to win it Eventually you're gonna get shot, open a clinic Again, if you're really in the drug game to win it Invest in a prison, therefore you can be put in it Everyone else did it now they chillin' Above the law, while your under the law still killin' One another, wake up my Hispanic brother, my African brother America's not your mother Or your father, so don't bother with right or wrong Just check out the logic in the song Organize, realize, become unhypnotized To the lies that youre livin' for the get high See many people have forgotten the fact That America was never ever built for Black So when some people are gonna run and buy crack Take the money and put it back into Black It's only logic, see KRS-One will rock it With knowledge, education for the people I'll never stop it Organize and legitimize your business Remember, everybody else did this
Great message here. He never says don't sell crack.
He says when your get money from crack sales open up a school.
--So what would they teach there "How to sell Drugs to Open a School 101" ?
By doing what? The message in this song does not come from an intellgent political program
Malcom X would have never said "Black drug dealer, you have to wise up and organize your business so that we can rise up"
He would have said shut down that crack business immediately and stop poisoning people
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by tific:
Anyone can use it to confirm that soul funk & disco was not boycotted after July 12, 1979.
Yawn, it was boycotted. This however doesn't mean black artists stopped making these genres of music. DUH. lol SMH
What that boycott means is that it effected black artist mostly, financially. A lot of "white /black labels" were shut down because of this boycott.
quote:Originally posted by tific:
Uptempo music is not disco
LOL SMH Disco is uptempo music derived from Jazz.
It is Jazz, with "advanced" note-progression played on a faster tempo (BPM).
Early house had a similar tempo as Disco, as it slowly started to speedup, likely due to D&B, Jungle. The reason D&B, Jungle became speeded music was due to the uptempo east coast hip hop style of hat time. As Goldie explained, he went to NY to see family. This is where he got in contacted with this up tempo style, and decided to speed it up even more to 150 and up. This what he did when he retuned to the UK. By that time house became dominant in the UK. And the underground UK Southeast London scene was crazy. This was the time when house went from a moderate tempo to a faster BPM.
quote:Originally posted by tific:
Many radio stations were also segregated & Disco , soul ,funk artists were also sharing the same record label as non disco artists.
Hmm, these genres were considered "black music", someone decided to call it urban music (I think this was somewhere in the late 90s). And black music didn't get overall airplay on commercial radio, with the exception of the "commercial black artist", like those you keep mentioning.
I am speaking of groups like Slave, Shalamar, SOS Band, Lake Side, Zapp etc.
quote:Originally posted by tific: It would take a lot more effort than a public demolition to destroy a music genre..
It was successful after all, seen for a commercial side. Because Disco didn't get as much airplay after that.
Of course in the black community it kept going, since it is a black subculture and went trough many transformations, such as Electro Funk, new-"R&B", New Jack Swing.
Anyone can use it to confirm that soul funk & disco was not boycotted after July 12, 1979.
Yawn, it was boycotted. This however doesn't mean black artists stopped making these genres of music. DUH. lol SMH
What that boycott means is that it effected black artist mostly, financially. A lot of "white /black labels" were shut down because of this boycott.
Name one disco label that was shut down due to a boycott, stop making up stuff
quote:[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
LOL SMH Disco is uptempo music derived from Jazz.
It is Jazz, with "advanced" note-progression played on a faster tempo (BPM).
You obviously don't know what disco is. It does not come out of jazz and it doesn't have advanced progressions. It has simplified grove-based progressions with less harmony than some other R & B and it comes out of soul and funk with strings like certain singles by the Intruders and Jerry Butler
Rock fans didn't like it because it was taking over the charts for a little while and they even had a big protest at a baseball stadium. They thought it was too simplified and commercial dance music for nightclubs made by studio musicians That was true but I like some of it, Donna Summer, Gloria Gaynor, Fatback band, Love Unlimited Orchestra, the Bee Gees, MFSB, the Soul Train theme song
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: You obviously don't know what disco is. It does not come out of jazz and it doesn't have advanced progressions.
It was explained by Nile Rodgers himself. See my post above on the Gab Band. These people were Jazz musicians at first as they progressed to a uptempo music known as Disco.
Perhaps you don't know what advanced note progressions are.
quote:Rodgers and Edwards first met in 1970, when both were jazz-trained musicians fresh out of high school. Edwards had attended New York's High School for the Performing Arts and was working in a Bronx post office at the time, while Rodgers' early career also included stints in the folk group New World Rising and the Apollo Theater house orchestra
Here is a bonus, those musicians at Sugar Hill Records were Jazz musicians as well. That is the reason why those songs sounded so "musically", on a higher level.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] You obviously don't know what disco is. It does not come out of jazz and it doesn't have advanced progressions.
It was explained by Nile Rodgers himself. See my post above on the Gab Band. These people were Jazz musicians at first as they progressed to a uptempo music known as Disco.
Perhaps you don't know what advanced note progressions are.
It means you don't know that much about music. Nobody uses the term "advanced note progressions"
"Chord progressions" is the term that is used and Nile's Rogers explains in the video many of the Chic songs only have two chords in them. That is a simple as you can get. A typical jazz song might have over ten
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] You obviously don't know what disco is. It does not come out of jazz and it doesn't have advanced progressions.
It was explained by Nile Rodgers himself. See my post above on the Gab Band. These people were Jazz musicians at first as they progressed to a uptempo music known as Disco.
Perhaps you don't know what advanced note progressions are.
It means you don't know that much about music. Nobody uses the term "advanced note progressions"
"Chord progressions" is the term that is used and Nile's Rogers explains in the video many of the Chic songs only have two chords in them. That is a simple as you can get. A typical jazz song might have over ten
LOL Let me explain to you what I mean.
You have a root-NOTE you can progress, when you do so by lessening or adding notes you get an advancement in that note / key / chord progression. For Disco they did the same. In your mind progress "means" it has to be more complex.
Thus we can conclude that YOU don't know what YOU are talking about.
See, even when Nile himself is saying it you still argue, which makes you look dumb. He even played the same chords faster and slow so people could hear the similarities in Disco and Jazz, but you still argue.
quote: "I didn't know we were getting that kind of feedback in New York. New York always takes a long time to accept anybody who doesn't come form there. We try to pay not too much attention to New York....
When we were doing records Public Enemy wasn't out yet
So Ice Cube was lying? He was actually listening to the song "Public enemy #1" on a Long Island radio station and he said " damn, we have to respond to this" So that is how they came up with "Straight out of Compton" ? So Easy E had been listening to Public Enemy and he wrote the song " Boyz-n-the-Hood" as a response to Public Enemy?
Was Ice T also responding to Public Enemy when he put out Rhyme Pays in 1987 or Power in 1988?
Did the record company tell them to make gangster music but they really wanted to make political rap ?
LOL This again.
This proofs again that you are a nut-job, so called Africana specialist. But yes NWA was the political answer to P.E.
Please explain why The Bomb Squad produced Ice Cubes debut album. Why was there a sudden change in his tone?
P.E. and a few other (later famous rap) groups came together in 1982, to form a coalition. I know things you don't know, so called "original b-girl". LOL
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Great message here. He never says don't sell crack.
He says when your get money from crack sales open up a school.
--So what would they teach there "How to sell Drugs to Open a School 101" ?
By doing what? The message in this song does not come from an intellgent political program
Malcom X would have never said "Black drug dealer, you have to wise up and organize your business so that we can rise up"
He would have said shut down that crack business immediately and stop poisoning people
Your self entitlement is amusing.
Drug dealer, understand historical fact Every race got ahead from sellin' drugs except Black We are under attack, here comes another cold fact In the '30s and '40s a drug dealer wasn't black They were Jewish, Italian, Irish, Polish, etc. etc Now in '90 their live's a lot better They'll sell you a sweater, a pair of pants, cold-hearted But first sellin drugs and killin' people is how they started Drug dealer, black and Hispanic, stop killin' one another Cause in the ghetto we're all brothers Organized economically, understand the psychology America is the drug monopoly They own the block and kill your brother for Therefore, we got the same enemy - what's more, I go on tour But who do you think picks up the bill? A hard working fireman? Chill! Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by tific: Tim dog was not a response to Snoop doggy dogg
Back to this.
I did not say Tim Dog was the response to Snoop doggy dogg. It was the other way around, that is what I said.
Tim called out Dre and the rest of NWA, with the acceptation for Ice Cube. After that Snoop doggy came with subliminal messages.
quote:Originally posted by tific: I forgot to mention that Sunnyview records ( Newcleus ) was owned by Morris Levy.
I never spoke of Newcleus. But yeah, of course it was owned by Morris Levy.
quote:Originally posted by tific:
Roundup.
Nile Rodgers account of disco was inaccurate & unverified.
You are an air-head and this has been accurately verified.
Nile Rodgers said these things himself in interviews. He himself stated that sales went down and really hurt mostly black artists. Since Disco artist were mostly black (logically). It was a popular Dutch DJ / music-journalist who interviewed him on that. I will try to find it.
Steve Dahl responsible for Disco Demolition.
Disco Demolition' The Night Disco Died
Radio personality Steve Dahl protested disco in the late 1970s at Comiskey Park. After 37 years, a new book, 'Disco Demolition' is out and recounting one of the most infamous events in Chicago history. MEER WEERGEVEN
"All labels cheat on artist. That is what labels do" Is hyperbole
Your safe hiding behind genetic papers but failed the Turing test on popular culture.
Ignorance wastes time as confirmed.
This is comes from one too air-headed to understand the politics in the music industry. You live in a fantasy, where you think it is all glory for musicians. The average artist earns far less than one dollar of each sale (per song). People (artist) are being screwed over and over with corrupt contracts. So called pop specialist!
quote:Originally posted by tific:
Roundup.
Nwa was not a response to Public Enemy
I posted links on Krs one & Ice cube
Ignorance wastes time as confirmed.
Roundup: YOU BABBLE GARBAGE! Do you not understand the words, "I have personally met certain people." Are you too ignorant and dumb to understand these words? I know certain thing of certain artist, others do not.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Your safe hiding behind genetic papers but failed the Turing test on popular culture.
I was in it then and I am in it now. But I was always in it underground. That is the difference between popular culture and what you "believe" it is or should be like". This is why you can only address the "popular" stuff.
For this reason underground people laugh at pop-music and icons.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
I took time and effort to look it up for you.
Chuck D speaks on NWA, but in a more toned manner as appose years ago (80's).
Chuck D talks Ice Cube, N.W.A, Death of Hip Hop groups, Hip Hop needing Black Leaders + More
I don't see as many legendary groups in Hip Hop as there used to be.
CHUCK D (OVERLAPPING) You don't see groups.
NICK HUFF BARILI Why do you think that is?
CHUCK D The biggest difference between then and now is that it was a group effort in the '80s. The elements were all in conference with each other. Emcee and break dancing, DJ'ing, which was the ruler of the roots and even, graffiti, part of it, art expression. When the recording contracts came about and they recorded four people and then they, like, five people that sound like one, like the Furious Five used to say, well, the problem came into the area of renegotiation. If something was hot, you had to renegotiate with, like, five people, so that's not on record company time, and when it came to black music, it was the re-negrotiation or re-niggergotiation when it came to rap, and some of these obstacles of dealing with five to four heads as opposed to one company trying to deal with one became the pattern. It's easy to cut a deal with one person and just deal with the lawyer. So it's still a team, but it was a team of others, not the team of makers and creators, and so that, over a long period of time, had sort of, like, been the evolution or the devolution of Hip Hop as far as being the master of its own sphere, you know? Now, it's individuals, and people point to individuals. And I'm telling you, it ain't no one person could do it better than a group that's wired right, that's on focus and on point. They might get paid more money, but that's probably it. Or the, you know, they might get all the exposure. Like, for example, I think Jay-Z and Kanye West, if you took the amount of radio play that they've had over the last 20 years, you know, I mean, I think it's probably 10,000 times has to be 100,000 times anybody had gotten in the '80s and '90s. A hundred thousand times. Like, when you hear a record like 16 times a day. These rap records didn't do that. Nobody made that happen. So therefore, the--all those spoils go to that one situation now. So you have legends, but they're individual legends.
NICK HUFF BARILI I can't believe it's been 27 years since It Takes a Nation came out.
CHUCK D I can. (INTERVIEWER LAUGHS) Twenty--yeah, twenty-six years. NICK HUFF BARILI I read that the first two copies, you gave to Dr. Dre and Easy E. Is that right?
CHUCK D Well, they were copies I had, and we'd play in Vegas together, and they were back there. I'm, like, man, boom. When I left them, they were staring at it, turning it over, you know, like, this is the shit, which wasn't--I think it influenced them to make, you know, Straight out of Compton. NICK HUFF BARILI What was your take on NWA at the time? CHUCK D They were nice, young guys.
(INTERVIEWER LAUGHS) I mean, I knew they probably scared white America, but to us, we was, like, we were grown men. We was, like, man, these are nice little guys. I remember the NWA and the Posse and it just, like, well, they were influenced by Bum Rush the Show, you know, and I just said, this is a force, because I said this is taking place—this is Hip Hop in another city. And, and we befriended them. I mean, matter of fact, I befriended Ice Cube, so when the whole thing happened with Cube and NWA, I tried to tell Cube just stay with the group, man. The group is the thing, but he said it was impossible for him to do so. So I had to tell my team that we had to figure out (LAUGH) we didn't want to jar their situation by, like, but he wasn't gonna go back to the situation, so we had to agree to helping Ice Cube, you know, make his first album. And that's when the whole shit changed. That's when the west was won. Uh, because after Straight out of Compton, you know, came America's Most Wanted in 1990, along with Fear of a Black Planet and the bread seeds were already laid when Cube was coming to visit us, and me and Kane had been talking for the longest period of time about collaborating with a song, and I said, well, this is the title, Burn, Hollywood, Burn, and Cube happened to be there at the same time when Kane came to the studio in Green Street Studios, and Cube was sitting there and me and Kane was talking, and Cube, you know, we was working out the beginnings of his America's Most Wanted, but he said, yo, I want to be down on that shit.
Check out full transcript at www.hardknock.tv Posted by tific (Member # 22768) on :
Ish gebor posted
Please explain why The Bomb Squad produced Ice Cubes debut album. Why was there a sudden change in his tone?
Tific
Scroll down for the ice cube article which gives reasons why he went to the bomb squad.
I would first like to apologise for my Tim dog Snoop dog error.
Now lets go back to your Disco beats
Do you realise that you denounced pop but use a pop producers account & popular music examples to misdirect? Niles Rodgers output or opinion does not represent the rugged & raw underground as he was sophisticated classy pop producer. You never bothered to cross reference or research a Salsoul Philadelphia or smaller record labels account.
Disco is not Jazz with advanced note progression.And even if you were correct it would have declined or morphed just like Jazz did in that era. And those examples you posted were pop & radio friendly. You avoided posting the repetitive chanting , percussive rugged or controversial stuff.
Musique - In The Bush War - Good Good feelin African Suite - Pigmy Jimmy Sabater - To be with you Herbie Hancock - you bet your love
You can't just post up music.. You have to look at the acts background ,formation date & previous output ..Where they formed before or during disco's emergence Did they switch & create disco songs because it was trendy like Herbie Hancock , Blondie or many rock groups or were they forced to try it to resurrect a failing career like Tina turner or James Brown .Did they get away with it or did it backfire & end their careers. Did they gain or lose audiences? etc
Also There were songs with heavy african percussion by groups like Osibisa . Kongas , Cymande, Manu Dibango. 20th Century Steel Band .Latin American artists also had variations. They were not disco but were in disco playlists as they had higher tempos .
Disco demolition happened in the Usa.. But
We had acts like the Bee Gees , Average White band , Biddu Orchestra , Tina Charles , Heatwave, The Real Thing Hot Chocolate & discofied movies like The Bi.ch & The stud starring Joan Collins in my country. There were disco artists like Ottawan & Le Pamplemousse, Boney M & Gibson Brothers in other parts of Europe ..All these acts & many more were signed or licensed to the same global labels which had rock artists on the roster & played in Us clubs There were also African disco & Italio disco artists & there all suffered the same fate..
So whats the plausible explanation.
They moved on or declined because every label or act invested too much in a trendy decadent elitist genre which was limited & never reflected the politics & issues at the time.
Or a disco demolition event in some isolated Us city & supremacist tentacles reached out & globally buried them including any non black?
You used this as an example to bolster another unverified claim about forces undermining rap But I can't be bothered to contest.
You can out - write me & deviate but every hue-mann knows the truth.
Pyrrhic victory.
quote:Originally posted by tific:
Roundup.
Nile Rodgers account of disco was inaccurate & unverified.
You are an air-head and this has been accurately verified.
Nile Rodgers said these things himself in interviews. He himself stated that sales went down and really hurt mostly black artists. Since Disco artist were mostly black (logically).
quote:Originally posted by tific:
"All labels cheat on artist. That is what labels do" Is hyperbole
Your safe hiding behind genetic papers but failed the Turing test on popular culture.
Ignorance wastes time as confirmed.
This is comes from one too air-headed to understand the politics in the music industry. You live in a fantasy, where you think it is all glory for musicians. The average artist earns far less than one dollar of each sale (per song). People (artist) are being screwed over and over with corrupt contracts. So called pop specialist!
Ignorance wastes time as confirmed. [/qb][/QUOTE]Roundup: YOU BABBLE GARBAGE! Do you not understand the words, "I have personally met certain people." Are you too ignorant and dumb to understand these words?
[/qb][/QUOTE]I was in it then and I am in it now. But I was always in it underground. That is the difference between popular culture and what you "believe" it is or should be like". This is why you can only address the "popular" stuff.
For this reason underground people laugh at pop-music and icons. [/QB][/QUOTE]
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by tific: Disco is not Jazz with advanced note progression.And even if you were correct it would have declined or morphed just like Jazz did in that era.
It did, dunce. Nile even played these chords, dunce. Hence, NuJazz.
Stevie Wonder - Don't You Worry 'Bout A Thing 7-14-73
quote:Originally posted by tific: Disco demolition happened in the Usa.. But
This dunce, it's just unbelievable. lol smh
quote:Originally posted by tific: Do you realise that you denounced pop but use a pop producers account & popular music examples to misdirect? Niles Rodgers output or opinion does not represent the rugged & raw underground as he was sophisticated classy pop producer.
LOL Long before there was a man named Dj Disco KING MARIO. This was late 60's. Hence the name. Dj Disco KING MARIO played specific underground songs.
Generally speaking Nile is considered one of the main contributors of Disco.
quote:Originally posted by tific: Or a disco demolition event in some isolated Us city & supremacist tentacles reached out & globally buried them including any non black?
LOL at the above, dunce AIR-HEAD!
The Note Episode 4 | Disco Demolition: Riot to Rebirth
I have to go for now, I will be back later.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by tific:
And those examples you posted were pop & radio friendly.
Those songs I've posted didn't make it to the mainstream commercial radio, you fool.
quote:Originally posted by tific:
You never bothered to cross reference or research a Salsoul Philadelphia or smaller record labels account.
You missed the part where I mentioned white and black labels. Do you even have a clue what this is?
There was this DJ who risks his life by going to Harlem, to get the latest disco songs.
I will post the documentary on this as soon as I'll find it.
quote:Originally posted by tific: We had acts like the Bee Gees , Average White band , Biddu Orchestra , Tina Charles , Heatwave, The Real Thing Hot Chocolate & discofied movies like The Bi.ch & The stud starring Joan Collins in my country. There were disco artists like Ottawan & Le Pamplemousse, Boney M & Gibson Brothers in other parts of Europe ..All these acts & many more were signed or licensed to the same global labels which had rock artists on the roster & played in Us clubs There were also African disco & Italio disco artists & there all suffered the same fate.
Please stop your jokes, they aren't funny. Are you truly try to convince that is was mainly "white artist" who suffered from this fiasco?
quote:Originally posted by tific: Or a disco demolition event in some isolated Us city & supremacist tentacles reached out & globally buried them including any non black?
As if disco was the main culture in Europe, ie Germany. Pluuuuuze. Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
the hyperbole gets very boring after a while, it's endless. He thinks he was there, yet living in the Netherlands
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: the hyperbole gets very boring after a while, it's endless. He thinks he was there, yet living in the Netherlands
Born and raised indeed. However, I met quite a few people (artist) during my lifespan. So there is your "hyperbole".
The Netherlands and surrounding countries have American military bases. And I have relatives in the USA.
Posted by tific (Member # 22768) on :
Why did the moderator reveal your undisclosed location? ( That may explain your inattentiveness )
It was not mentioned in this topic. That's confidential.
Someone better explain or I close my Account. As i'm impartial & it could be me next.
This page is screenprinted & saved.
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: the hyperbole gets very boring after a while, it's endless. He thinks he was there, yet living in the Netherlands
Born and raised indeed. However, I met quite a few people (artist) during my lifespan. So there is your "hyperbole".
The Netherlands has American military basis.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by tific: Why did the moderator reveal your undisclosed location? ( That may explain your inattentiveness )
It was not mentioned in this topic. That's confidential.
Someone better explain or I close my Account. As i'm impartial & it could be me next.
This page is screenprinted & saved.
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: the hyperbole gets very boring after a while, it's endless. He thinks he was there, yet living in the Netherlands
Born and raised indeed. However, I met quite a few people (artist) during my lifespan. So there is your "hyperbole".
The Netherlands has American military basis.
It's no secret where I reside. No problem at all here. But yeah the moderator is somewhat cowardish, especially in hiding his/ her own info.
Btw, I hated "Hot Chocolate" and some of these other commercial "disco groups".
The average white band was cool though. First I heard them was at my uncles house. They have been sample quite a lot as well
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
I geus tific is the first banned member ever on EgyptSearch, simply for asking a fair question? We may have disagreed on certain issues here. But this?
This sis a sad day.
Posted by Punos_Rey (Member # 21929) on :
Ish he privately pmed me requesting that I ban him due to him not being able to trust anyone on this website after your location was revealed.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Punos_Rey: Ish he privately pmed me requesting that I ban him due to him not being able to trust anyone on this website after your location was revealed.
He asked for clearance first. This was refused by ..., and as an alternative asked to delete his account, if there was no proper reason to given. If admins are willing to do these things, more can be done. I know.
But this is especially detrimental, because this person in question keeps everything hidden and a secret about him (her) self. This was a cowardish act.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
If people mention their locations on the forum then it's not private information. Ish Gebor said
"It's no secret where I reside. No problem at all here. "
At that point I thought it was redundant for me to even explain. Ish Gebor has mentioned his location publicly on the forum before. So nothing was being "revealed" and nothing was being refused. Neverthess tific: asked for his own account be banned
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: If people mention their locations on the forum then it's not private information. Ish Gebor said
"It's no secret where I reside. No problem at all here. "
At that point I thought it was redundant for me to even explain. Ish Gebor has mentioned his location publicly on the forum before. So nothing was being "revealed" and nothing was being refused. Neverthess tific: asked for his own account be banned
Pathetic.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: If people mention their locations on the forum then it's not private information. Ish Gebor said
"It's no secret where I reside. No problem at all here. "
At that point I thought it was redundant for me to even explain. Ish Gebor has mentioned his location publicly on the forum before. So nothing was being "revealed" and nothing was being refused. Neverthess tific: asked for his own account be banned
Pathetic.
what's pathetic? you explained the situation before I even had a chance too I suspect him banning himself was an excuse to free himself from endless circles with you he felt trapped in , the time wasting he mentioned
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: If people mention their locations on the forum then it's not private information. Ish Gebor said
"It's no secret where I reside. No problem at all here. "
At that point I thought it was redundant for me to even explain. Ish Gebor has mentioned his location publicly on the forum before. So nothing was being "revealed" and nothing was being refused. Neverthess tific: asked for his own account be banned
Pathetic.
what's pathetic? you explained the situation before I even had a chance too I suspect him banning himself was an excuse to free himself from endless circles with you he felt trapped in , the time wasting he mentioned
Sure.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
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quote: "African-Americans, before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom, were not really allowed to own businesses. They had very little access to credit. [There was a very low artificial ceiling on the wealth that could be accumulated. Hence there was very little, if anything, that could be passed along to help their children get to college, to help their children buy their first homes, or as an inheritance when they die," said Shapiro.
Since the 1980s, US administrations have also geared the tax system to the advantage of the better off. Taxes on unearned income, such as shares and inheritance, fell sharply and are much lower than taxes on pay.
that is a wrong statement, way off by the Guardian. They are supposed to know better. British people and other Europeans reading that would be misinformed, it's terrible actually
The golden age of black entrepreneurship 1900-1930
The nadir of race relations was reached in the early 20th century, in terms of political and legal rights. Blacks were increasingly segregated. However the more they were cut off from the larger white community, the more black entrepreneurs succeeded in establishing flourishing businesses that catered to a black clientele.
The most rapid growth came in the early 20th century, As the increasingly rigid Jim Crow system of segregation moved urban blacks into a community large enough to support a business establishment. The National Negro Business League, Promoted by college president Booker T. Washington the League opened over 600 chapters, reaching every city with a significant black population.
By 1920, there were tens of thousands of black businesses, the great majority of them quite small. The largest were insurance companies. The League had grown so large that it supported numerous offshoots, including the National Negro Bankers Association, the National Negro Press Association, the National Association of Negro Funeral Directors, the National Negro Bar Association, the National Association of Negro Insurance Men, the National Negro Retail Merchants' Association, the National Association of Negro Real Estate Dealers, and the National Negro Finance Corporation.[12] The Great Depression of 1929-39 was a serious blow, as cash income fell in the black community because of unemployment, and many smaller businesses close down. During World War II many employees can indeed owners switched over to high-paying jobs in munitions factories. Black businessmen generally were more conservative elements of their community, but typically did support the civil rights movement. By the 1970s, federal programs to promote minority business activity provided new funding, although the opening world of mainstream management attracted a great deal of talent.
In urban areas, North and South, the size and income of the black population was growing, providing openings for a wide range of businesses, from barbershops [13] to insurance companies.[14][15] Undertakers had a special niche, and often played a political role.[16]
Historian Juliet Walker calls 1900-1930 the "Golden age of black business." [17] According to the National Negro Business League, the number black-owned businesses doubled from 20,000 1900 and 40,000 in 1914. There were 450 undertakers in 1900 and, rising to 1000. Drugstores rose from 250 to 695. Local retail merchants – most of them quite small – jumped from 10,000 to 25,000.[18][19][20]
One of the leading centers of black business was Atlanta. According to August Meier and David Lewis, 1900 was the turning point as white businessmen reduced their contacts with black customers, black entrepreneurs rush to fill the vacuum by starting banks, insurance companies, and numerous local retailers and service providers. Furthermore, the number of black doctors and lawyers increased sharply. All this of course was in addition to the traditional businesses, such as undertakers and barbershops that had always depended on a black clientele.[21] Durham, North Carolina, a new industrial city based on tobacco manufacturing and cotton mills, was noted for the growth of its black businesses. Durham lacked traditionalism based on plantation-era slavery, and practiced a laissez-faire that allowed black entrepreneurs to flourish.[22]
College president Booker T. Washington (1856-1915), who ran the National Negro Business League was the most prominent promoter of black business. He moved from city to city to sign up local entrepreneurs into his national network the National Negro Business League.[23][24]
The North Carolina Mutual Life Insurance Company headquarters in Durham N.C. By the 1920s, the federal government had set up a small unit to distribute information to black entrepreneurs, but no financial aid was forthcoming.
By far the most prominent black entrepreneur of the century of was Charles Clinton Spaulding (1874 – 1952), president of North Carolina Mutual Life Insurance Company in Durham North Carolina.[26][27] It was the nation's largest black-owned business. It operated a system of industrial insurance, whereby its salesmen collected small premiums of about 10 cents every week from its clients. That provided them insurance for the following week; if the client died the salesman immediately arranged payment of the death benefit of about $100. That paid for suitable funeral, which was a high prestige event to the black community. Black undertakers also benefited and themselves became prominent business men. By 1970, they grossed more than $120 million for 150,000 race funerals each year.[28]
Charles Clinton Spaulding
North Carolina Mutual was the brainchild of black entrepreneur John C. Merrick in the late 1800s. Merrick was born into slavery as the son of a white man and a former slave in 1859. By 1920 the company had over 1,000 employees. When Moore died, Charles Clinton Spaulding took over as president.
Today, North Carolina Mutual Life Company still stands and operates in Durham. It currently services as clients all across the world through partnerships and offices in many states. The company has total assets of $162 million, with net life insurance of $14.3 billion.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: "that is a wrong statement, way off by the Guardian. They are supposed to know better. British people and other Europeans reading that would be misinformed, it's terrible actually
You have a reading disability.
Supposedly you now understand economics and social policies better than Ph.D. Tom Shapiro? Let's put you to test. Explain wealth distribution.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: "The golden age of black entrepreneurship 1900-1930".
So tell when was the great African American migration, and why? Explain what let to the downfall of "The golden age of black entrepreneurship"?
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
He was a smart man, who knew how to jump hurdles.
quote:He quickly expanded North Carolina Mutual’s operations, which had nearly 100,000 clients in 1908, not only in North Carolina, but other states as well. Spaulding was elevated to vice president in 1908. North Carolina Mutual provided life insurance for African Americans that were denied by other places because of their skin color.
--Emmanuel Stocker, North Carolina State University
Full Title: Tom Shapiro, "Black Wealth/White Wealth: Hidden Costs of Being Black"
"Race Today: A Symposium on Race in America" brought a group of the nation’s most respected intellectuals on race, racial theory and racial inequality together to consider the troubling state of black life in America today. What are the broader structural factors that shape race today? How do these factors work on the ground and institutionally and what are the consequences? What are the ideas about race, and racial identities that enable the normalcy of stark racial differences today? In particular, what role do key ideas such as “colorblindness” and “post race” play in shaping perception and outcomes? What can be done to challenge ideological and structural impediments to a racially egalitarian society?
Tom Shapiro is the Pokross Professor of Law and Social Policy and the Director of the Institute on Assets and Social Policy at Brandeis University. Shapiro is a leader in the asset development field with a particular focus on closing the racial wealth gap. He is the author of The Hidden Cost of Being African American: How Wealth Perpetuates Inequality, and with Dr. Melvin Oliver, he wrote the multi award-winning Black Wealth/ White Wealth.
Friday, February 27, 2015 Brown University
Presented by the Center for the Study of Race and Ethnicity in America (CSREA) and the Center for the Study of Slavery and Justice.
Co-sponsored by the Office of the President and the Office of Institutional Diversity.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb]"that is a wrong statement, way off by the Guardian. They are supposed to know better. British people and other Europeans reading that would be misinformed, it's terrible actually
You have a reading disability.
No, lack of comprehension is your specialty
it's very simple, I don't care if someone has a PhD
Black people in America have been and discriminated against exploited against But that does not mean black people have only been victim and it doesn't mean the following BS statement is true
quote: "African-Americans, before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom, were not really allowed to own businesses.
I'm beginning to think you are not who you present yourself to be
Landowners: Anthony and Mary Johnson, 1640. Black-owned insurance company: The African Insurance Company, 1810. Black Labor Union: American League of Colored Laborers, 1850.
Frederick Patterson and His Company's Auto Chasiss, 1916 Click here for more information Paste over your article text here Black-owned Bank: True Reformers Bank, 1889. Black-owned resort: Highland Beach, Maryland, 1893. Millionaire: Robert Abbott, founder of the Chicago Defender in 1905. Automobile manufacturing company: C.R. Patterson & Sons, 1915. Record Company: Black Swan Records, 1921. Black-owned Youth Camp: Camp Atwater, 1921. Black-owned metropolitian newspaper: Robert Maynard and the Oakland Tribune, 1983 Billionaire: Robert Johnson, 2001, owner of Black Entertainment Television.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: No, lack of comprehension is your specialty
it's very simple, I don't care if someone has a PhD
Black people in America have been and discriminated against exploited against But that does not mean black people have only been victim and it doesn't mean the following BS statement is true
You barely can count to 10. So when I asked you to explain wealth distribution, you ran off as quick as possible. And you still can't explain it, other than some weird dumb rant that is supposed to be impressive.
Even worse is, he outlined everything statistically and historically in the lecture what he said in that article. Yet you "came back" with more stupidity, looking even more ridiculous as before.
Structural Racism — the normalized and legitimized range of policies, practices, and attitudes that routinely produce cumulative chronic adverse outcomes for people of color — is the main driver of racial inequality in America today.
Tom Shapiro, Pokross Professor of Law and Social Policy and Director of the Institute on Assets and Social Policy at Brandeis, spoke about his research, particularly the role homeownership, race and intergenerational inheritance, which led to his book, The Hidden Cost of Being African American: How Wealth Perpetuates Inequality.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I'm beginning to think you are not who you present yourself to be
Do you understand the words "not really allowed"? So I ask you again, explain wealth distribution.
Tell when was the great African American migration, and why? Explain what let to the downfall of "The golden age of black entrepreneurship"?
Landowners: Anthony and Mary Johnson, 1640. Black-owned insurance company: The African Insurance Company, 1810. Black Labor Union: American League of Colored Laborers, 1850.
Frederick Patterson and His Company's Auto Chasiss, 1916 Click here for more information Paste over your article text here Black-owned Bank: True Reformers Bank, 1889. Black-owned resort: Highland Beach, Maryland, 1893. Millionaire: Robert Abbott, founder of the Chicago Defender in 1905. Automobile manufacturing company: C.R. Patterson & Sons, 1915. Record Company: Black Swan Records, 1921. Black-owned Youth Camp: Camp Atwater, 1921. Black-owned metropolitian newspaper: Robert Maynard and the Oakland Tribune, 1983 Billionaire: Robert Johnson, 2001, owner of Black Entertainment Television.
For some reason you think what you've posted was impressive.
What you did here, is typically what white supremacist use by saying" "Well Oprah and Micheal Jordan made it so racism doesn't exist".
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: So tell when was the great African American migration, and why? Explain what let to the downfall of "The golden age of black entrepreneurship"?
For some reason you think what you've posted was impressive. [/QB]
You are talking about migration, I don't know why
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: So tell when was the great African American migration, and why? Explain what let to the downfall of "The golden age of black entrepreneurship"?
For some reason you think what you've posted was impressive.
You are talking about migration, I don't know why
Explain wealth distribution. I am waiting, self imposed "Africana specialist".
I am waiting for you to explain why "The golden age of black entrepreneurship" had a downfall. Why lioness, why?
I am talking about "migration", and you don't know why? … Okay.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: So tell when was the great African American migration, and why? Explain what let to the downfall of "The golden age of black entrepreneurship"?
For some reason you think what you've posted was impressive.
You are talking about migration, I don't know why
Explain wealth distribution. I am waiting, self imposed "Africana specialist".
Explain I am waiting for you to explain why "The golden age of black entrepreneurship" had a downfall.
I am talking about "migration", and you don't know why? … Okay.
You know this is not true >
"African-Americans, before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom, were not really allowed to own businesses."
So now you are trying to change the subject.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: So tell when was the great African American migration, and why? Explain what let to the downfall of "The golden age of black entrepreneurship"?
For some reason you think what you've posted was impressive.
You are talking about migration, I don't know why
Explain wealth distribution. I am waiting, self imposed "Africana specialist".
Explain I am waiting for you to explain why "The golden age of black entrepreneurship" had a downfall.
I am talking about "migration", and you don't know why? … Okay.
You know this is not true >
"African-Americans, before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom, were not really allowed to own businesses."
So now you are trying to change the subject.
I am saying of you to answer my question. What does wealth distribution mean.
First by Law and then by Custom, is correct. Nothing I say is to change the subject, it is all connected. So when I ask you why black Americans had a great migration, I expect a proper answer by you. But for some reason you keep running away from this question.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: black Americans had a great migration,
Migration is when people move form one location to another
So I don't know what you are referring to in the context of this subject
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: black Americans had a great migration,
Migration is when people move form one location to another
Hilarious, I didn't ask what migration is. I asked why. WHY DID THEY MIGRATE, in droves?
This is the actual sentence:
"So when I ask you why black Americans had a great migration"
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: So I don't know what you are referring to in the context of this subject
Of course you don't.
Tell lioness, what was the Redlining ?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: black Americans had a great migration,
Migration is when people move form one location to another
Hilarious, I didn't ask what migration is. I asked why. WHY DID THEY MIGRATE, in droves?
This is the actual sentence:
"So when I ask you why black Americans had a great migration"
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: So I don't know what you are referring to in the context of this subject
Of course you don't.
Are you talking about the migration from South to North?
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: black Americans had a great migration,
Migration is when people move form one location to another
Hilarious, I didn't ask what migration is. I asked why. WHY DID THEY MIGRATE, in droves?
This is the actual sentence:
"So when I ask you why black Americans had a great migration"
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: So I don't know what you are referring to in the context of this subject
Of course you don't.
Are you talking about migration from South to North?
What great migration by African Americans was there other than that? Asking weird question like that. smh
Now tell lioness, what was the Redlining? And I am still waiting for you to explain wealth distribution.
Why do my questions remain unanswered? Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
Why do my questions remain unanswered?
Because you are trying to test me and you think if I fail your test questions it means that there were no black business prior to 1960 but that is BS. If I pass or fail a history test does not change the fact that there were thousands of black businesses in America prior to 1960.
You didn't know that so know you are looking up things and trying to test me to get your pride back. That's why I won't play your game and answer your questions
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
Why do my questions remain unanswered?
Because you are trying to test me and you think if I fail your test questions it means that there were no black business prior to 1960 but that is BS. If I pass or fail a history test does not change the fact that there were thousands of black businesses in America prior to 1960.
You didn't know that so know you are looking up things and trying to test me to get your pride back. That's why I won't play your game and answer your questions
I am still waiting for you to answer the questions. But somehow you aren't able to do so. Because you lack comprehension and knowledge of the subject when it comes to assets, capital and equities.
This is not a game.
So again.
1) What is the Redlining?
2 Why did African Americans migrate in droves? What caused this to happen?
3) What is wealth distribution?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
Lioness stop acting like a child and answer the question.
We are talking about economy now.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
Why do my questions remain unanswered?
Because you are trying to test me and you think if I fail your test questions it means that there were no black business prior to 1960 but that is BS. If I pass or fail a history test does not change the fact that there were thousands of black businesses in America prior to 1960.
You didn't know that so know you are looking up things and trying to test me to get your pride back. That's why I won't play your game and answer your questions
I am still waiting for you to answer the questions. But somehow you aren't able to do so. Because you lack comprehension and knowledge of the subject when it comes to assets, capital and equities.
This is not a game.
So again.
1) What is the Redlining?
2 Why did African Americans migrate in droves? What caused this to happen?
3) What is wealth distribution?
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
Nice, so why did they flee, lioness why why? Hmmm.
quote:Northern industries' decision to open their doors to African-American workers set off a great exodus, as tens of thousands and then hundreds of thousands people fled the racial oppression of the American South for the better jobs, higher wages, right to vote, personal safety, and educational opportunities that they could find for themselves and their children in the north. By the time the Great Depression ended the First Great Migration, some 1.6 million African Americans had fled the South.
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: Lioness stop acting like a child and answer the question.
We are talking about economy now.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
Why do my questions remain unanswered?
Because you are trying to test me and you think if I fail your test questions it means that there were no black business prior to 1960 but that is BS. If I pass or fail a history test does not change the fact that there were thousands of black businesses in America prior to 1960.
You didn't know that so know you are looking up things and trying to test me to get your pride back. That's why I won't play your game and answer your questions
I am still waiting for you to answer the questions. But somehow you aren't able to do so. Because you lack comprehension and knowledge of the subject when it comes to assets, capital and equities.
This is not a game.
So again.
1) What is the Redlining?
2 Why did African Americans migrate in droves? What caused this to happen?
3) What is wealth distribution?
I am not going to answer these questions because you are using them to cover up the false statement that there was no black owned business in America before 1960. Secondly you already know the answer to the questions so you are using it to test me and I don't do tests. So you can ask me a million times and I won't answer, get used to it. And if you looked at my previous post you would see an example of a black business that came about after the migration -and add to that the Harlem Renaissance
And all this coming out of you defending Jay Z saying in 2017 that black people need to buy neighborhoods using drug money
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I am not going to answer these questions because you are using them to cover up the false statement that there was no black owned business in America before 1960.
Nowhere did he say what you said.
This is what he said: "African-Americans, before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom, were not really allowed to own businesses. They had very little access to credit. [There was a very low artificial ceiling on the wealth that could be accumulated.
But you lack comprehension and knowledge of the subject when it comes to assets, capital and equities. This is why you aren't able to answer properly.
But I am still waiting for you to answer the questions.
So again.
1) What is the Redlining?
2 Why did African Americans migrate in droves? What caused this to happen?
3) What is wealth distribution?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
This is what he said: "African-Americans, before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom, were not really allowed to own businesses. They had very little access to credit. [There was a very low artificial ceiling on the wealth that could be accumulated.
the statement is false, there were thousands of black businesses prior to 1960 that means they were allowed, I just put up an ad for a bank in Philadelphia, That doesn't mean there weren't obstacles. It's a misleading statement. Europeans reading that would think there were no black businesses prior to 1960 because they weren't allowed
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Secondly you already know the answer to the questions so you are using it to test me and I don't do tests. So you can ask me a million times and I won't answer, get used to it.
Of course I know the answers to what I am asking. And you don't , this is why you use all this crazy excuses with all this spam all over the place. Nothing constructive. Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
This is what he said: "African-Americans, before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom, were not really allowed to own businesses. They had very little access to credit. [There was a very low artificial ceiling on the wealth that could be accumulated.
I just put up an ad for a bank in Philadelphia, That doesn't mean there weren't obstacles. It's a misleading statement. Europeans reading that would think there were no black businesses prior to 1960 because they weren't allowed
He did not say blacks did not own business. That is not what he said. smh
He said before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom. This is historically correct.
This is why I ask you:
1) WHAT IS THE REDLINING?
2) Why did African Americans flee in droves? Why are you scared to touch this one? hmmmm
3) What is wealth distribution?
You are afraid to answer these basic questions, because it will debunk you.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: He did not say blacks did not own business. That is not what he said. smh
He said before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom. This is historically correct.
So this black bank owned bank established in the 1920s wasn't allowed. That is false. Do we have to go one by one showing black business that were allowed prior to 1960? I already showed North Carolina Mutual established in 1898, black owned and still exists today
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
Child, lets talk about economy here. Stop your poster spams, with your "basic understanding" on the subject.
Your argument is like what white supremacist use.
Oprah and Michael Jordan made it, so therefore racism doesn't exist.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: He did not say blacks did not own business. That is not what he said. smh
He said before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom. This is historically correct.
https://i.imgbox.com/g2F7tFpu.jpg
So this black bank owned bank established in the 1920s wasn't allowed. That is false. Do we have to go one by one showing black business that were allowed prior to 1960? I already showed North Carolina Mutual established in 1898, black owned and still exists today
He did not say blacks did not own business. That is not what he said. smh
He said before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom. This is historically correct.
This is why I ask you:
1) WHAT IS THE REDLINING?
2) Why did African Americans flee in droves? Why are you scared to touch this one? hmmmm
3) What is wealth distribution?
You are afraid to answer these basic questions, because it will debunk you.
Toxic Inequality: How America’s Racial Wealth Gap Threatens Our Future
The Aspen Institute's 2017 Summit on Inequality and Opportunity
Bill Bynum, CEO, HOPE José Quiñonez, CEO, Mission Asset Fund, Tom Shapiro, Director, Institute on Assets and Social Policy, Heller School, Brandeis University
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:"African-Americans, before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom, were not really allowed to own businesses."
He did not say blacks did not own business. That is not what he said. smh
He said before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom. This is historically correct.
He said before 1960 blacks weren't allowed to own businesses. That is false
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: [QB] Child, lets talk about economy here. Stop your poster spams, with your "basic understanding" on the subject.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Ish Gebor: He did not say blacks did not own business. That is not what he said. smh
He said before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom. This is historically correct.
He said before 1960 blacks weren't allowed to own businesses. That is false
Child, lets talk about economy here. Stop your poster spams, with your "basic understanding" on the subject.
Nowhere did the said what you say.
He said: before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom.
So tell me:
1) WHAT IS THE REDLINING?
2) Why did African Americans flee in droves? Why are you scared to touch this one? hmmmm
3) What is wealth distribution?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: Child, lets talk about economy here.
So let's talk about what you just looked up in google to save your pride about being wrong?
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: Child, lets talk about economy here.
So let's talk about what you just looked up in google to save your pride about being wrong?
Google the words REDLINING AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY. So you can save yourself some pride about being wrong? Because you look completely dumb and stupid here. Such an embarrassment.
WHAT IS THE REDLINING? Was this not by LAW? Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
Since you ran off like hell I will finish…, I mean answer this.
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Redlining (1937- )
Redlining refers to a discriminatory pattern of disinvestment and obstructive lending practices that act as an impediment to home ownership among African Americans and other people of color. Banks used the concept to deny loans to homeowners and would-be homeowners who lived in these neighborhoods. This in turn resulted in neighborhood economic decline and the withholding of services or their provision at an exceptionally high cost.
The origin of the term stems from the policies developed by the Home Owners Loan Corporation (HOLC) created in 1933 by the Franklin Roosevelt Administration to reduce home foreclosures during the Depression and then institutionalized by the 1937 U.S. Housing Act which established the Federal Housing Association (FHA). Federal housing agencies including the HOLC and the FHA determined whether areas were deemed unfit for investment by banks, insurance companies, savings and loan associations, and other financial services companies. The areas were physically demarcated with red shading on a map.
In contrast, zones which were to receive preferential lending status were marked in green shading and intermediate areas in blue shading.
Often these decisions were arbitrarily based on the area’s racial composition rather than income levels. While the practice was almost universal before 1968, the Civil Rights Act passed that year theoretically outlawed redlining. Nonetheless its impact was felt long after that date. In a series of Pulitzer Prize winning articles which appeared in 1988 under the title “The Color of Money,” Atlanta Journal-Constitution reporter Bill Dedmen described how Atlanta, Georgia banks still discriminated by the racial designation of neighborhoods. His article illustrated how these banks were nearly twice as likely to lend to homeowners and prospective home buyers in low-income white neighborhoods as in affluent black areas.
As a consequence of redlining, neighborhoods that local banks deemed unfit for investment were left underdeveloped or in disrepair. Attempts to improve these neighborhoods with even relatively small-scale business ventures were commonly obstructed by financial institutions that continued to label the underwriting as too risky or simply rejected them outright. When existing businesses collapsed, new ones were not allowed to replace them, often leaving entire blocks empty and crumbling. Consequently African Americans in those neighborhoods were frequently limited in their access to banking, healthcare, retail merchandise, and even groceries. One notable exception to this was (and still is) the proliferation of liquor stores and bars which seemingly transcended the area’s stigma of financial risk.
As greater Austin booms, the poisonous legacy of segregation continues to cut off the African-American population from economic opportunities and its own cultural anchors, threatening the whole region's potential. Read the American-Statesman's three-part series below.
SUMMARY In this video, Laci Green talks about the nature of racism in 2015. She begins by challenging commonly held ideas about what racism is. She highlights how racist attitudes have created a racist system...which have created more racist attitudes. In order to stop the cycle, she illustrates 6 common ways that racism is institutionalized. Wealth disparities and housing, education, employment, mass incarceration, racial profiling, and police brutality are all touched upon. She ends by calling white America to stop making excuses that enable the past to continue and instead acknowledge the injustice right in front of us.
How The U.S. Government Gave White Americans An Advantage
The wealth income gap is huge compared to blacks and whites. For every dollar blacks have,whites have $20. Why? The U.S. government gave whites a advantage through 3 programs. The Headright System, Homestead Act of 1862 and FHA & VA Loans with the process of redlining. This is U.S. history but have a role still today.
Yeah Same shit Yeah Same shit Wake up Listen Terrorists and governments play the same game Banks and big business take the same blame Open your brain The Klan and the cops are the same Slave quarters, blocks and prison blocks are the same They only separated by name Overrated by fame What's in a name? A colonist is the same People can't really see it Because they're blocked by the name But really Nazi Germany and your black is the same Look Wall Street and Main Street Really that's the same street Drug talk, corporate talk Really that's the same speak Boom bap, boom bip Really that's the same beat A throne or a chair of your own Really that's the same seat I wrote and recorded this album in the same week California and Barcelona Its got the same heat I walk the same street Put no trust in the game Good cop, bad cop They one and the same Same shit
You know Listen
Rapper and politicians they want the same thing To kneel before their master and kiss the same ring But Solomon and Selassi them are the same king So from (?) I spit the same swing Ding ding ding, there goes the bell I'm the same as heaven, these dudes the same as hell I'm the same as the plane at liftoff, fly They the same as a rip-off, a lie I remind you Don't let the criminal mind blind you Instead let the spiritual mind find you See I'm you Just twenty years ahead Its to your advantage to hear KRS-ONE and rewind what he said Its the same shit Its the same shit Look
Drug cartels is what sells the medical Drug spots and drug stores are identical Y'all need to wake up and join with the woke folk Ignorance is only gonna keep you with them broke folk KRS is on some cool shit I ain't nothing to fool with I teach more kids than the school gets Game over stupid Its like we at the eight ball corner pocket And I got the pool stick You can say whatever, me I'm living better and better Getting cheddar, out in Greece getting feta Up in Catalonia only eating paella Up in Italy getting bread, call it bruscetta I spit They cruise cars, I cruise ships Democrat and Republican that's the same shit Its the same shit
quote: First Listen: Jay-Z’s “4:44,” an Album of Love and Wealth
In “The Story of O. J.,” Jay gives us his sort of morality tale, using the example of O. J. Simpson, who famously said that his success had made him raceless. “Still nigga, still nigga,” Jay-Z says, pointing his finger at the sort of archetypal, upwardly mobile black person who forgets where he comes from when he reaches the top. The video that accompanies the song alters its tone. A cartoon Jay-Z, made to look like a Sambo-era, animalized pickaninny, traipses through Brooklyn. The black people around him suffer their historical torments—cotton-picking, then segregation, then red-lining. He is lynched. Now an angel in the sky, he takes up guardianship of his home town, showering the black inhabitants with dollars and coins, as if to say, in his heavenly America, wealth would be weather.
[Intro] Yeah, got a lil' cold So bear with me Yeah, yeah
[Chorus] We stuck in La La Land Even when we win, we gon' lose Y'all got the same fuckin' flows I don't know who is who We got the same fuckin' watch She don't got time to choose We stuck in La La Land We got the same fuckin' moves
[Verse 1] Y'all fuck the same fuckin' chicks I'm in the skrt with ya—yeah, right I'm the skrt with ya—cool story I'm on the j—'nough of this Look, I know killers, you no killer, huh? Bathing Ape maybe not a gorilla, huh? Glorified seat filler, huh? Stop walkin' around like y'all made Thriller, huh? Fake Dracos all in the videos We show 'em, we shoot 'em in my city though I don't post no threats on the Internet I just pose a threat, blame Lenny S for that I don't be on the 'Gram goin' ham Givin' information to the pork, that's all spam Please don't talk about guns That you ain't never gon' use Y'all always tell on y'all self I'm just so fuckin' confused
[Chorus] Y'all stuck in La La Land Even when we win, we gon' lose Y'all got the same fuckin' flows I don't know who is who We got the same fuckin' watch She don't got time to choose We stuck in La La Land We got the same fuckin' moves
[Verse 2] Y'all niggas still signin' deals? Still? After all they done stole, for real? After what they done to our Lauryn Hill? And y'all niggas is 'posed to be trill? That's real talk when you behind on your taxes And you pawned all your chains And they run off with your masters And took it to Beverly Hills While we in Calabasas And my head is scratchin' 'Cause that shit is backwards That shit ain't right Lucian is cool but Lucian don't write Doug ain't this tight, so Fuck what we sellin' Fuck is we makin'? 'Cause their grass is greener 'Cause they always rakin' in mo' Nah, nah, nah, nah Nah, nah
'Moonlight' or 'La La Land'? Best Picture Mix-up at Oscars.
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You quote rap lyrics like these are the great thinkers of our time. He complains on this song but where is the solution? like trying to form a distribution company or something else? These type of lyrics are vague and this sort of complaining has been going on for over 30 years, it doesn't go anywhere. He is just trying to cover for all the dumbed down lyrics he has been doing for years. I want to see what Beyonce and Jay z do next, or if the political element was just a marketing trend. On a scale of 1-10 for being political in rap, this album is about a 2-3.
In the Story of O.J., O.J. had said "I'm not black, I'm O.J." But Jay z's answer to that was not that you are black
His answer was you are still a "nigga" But notice how he didn't say "They think you still a nigga" First of all it doesn't matter what "they" would think anyway but he didn't doesn't say "white people" or "the enemy" So this means some people like being "niggas" and he has been calling black people that for over 20 years and was a participant in what Public Enemy called the "niggerization of hip hop"
This means Jay Z is the ultimate crab pulling down the other crab, at the same time him and Beyonce are worth over a billion. His only solution is "get money" There's no depth there. He complains a little about the system and then you think he's god. And his complaints are much softer than the real political rappers like Immortal Technique, Dead Prez, KRS One, Lupe Fiasco, Killer Mike, Talib Kweli, Mos Def
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Jay-Z - Moonlight
Producers: No I.D., Jay-Z
Composed by: Allen McGrier, Dion Wilson, Lauryn Hill, Mary Christine Brockert, Pras Michel, Salaam Gibbs, Shawn Carter, Wyclef Jean
[Hook] Friends – how many of us have them? Friends – ones we can depend on Friends – how many of us have them? Friends – before we go any further, let's be Friends
[Verse 1] Is a word we use everyday Most the time we use it in the wrong way Now you can look the word up, again and again But the dictionary doesn't know the meaning of friends And if you ask me, you know, I couldn't be much help Because A friend is somebody you judge for yourself Some are ok, and they treat you real cool But some mistake kindness for being a fool We like to be with some, because they're funny Others come around when they need some money Some you grew up with, around the way And you're still real close too this very day Homeboys through the Summer, Winter, Spring and Fall And then there's some we wish we never knew at all And this list goes on, again and again But these are the people that we call friends
[Verse 2] When we first went out together, we barely knew each other We had no intentions, on becoming lovers But in no time at all, you became my girl Me and you, one on one, against the world Talkin on the telephone for hours at a time Or else I was at your house, or you was at mine Then came the arguments and all kinds of problems Besides making love, we had nothing in common It couldn't last long because it started out strong But I guess we went about the whole thing wrong Cause out of nowhere it just came to an end Because we became lovers before we were friends
[Hook] Friends – how many of us have them? Friends – ones we can depend on Friends – how many of us have them? Friends – before we go any further, let's be Friends
[Verse 3] You say you and your girlfriend were so tight You took her out with you and your guy one night She even had a set of keys to your home And you shared mostly everything you owned But as she shook your hand, she stole your man And it was done so swift, it had to be a plan Couldn't trust her with cheese, let alone your keys With friends like that you don't need enemies You wonder how long it was all going on And your still not sure if your man is gone You say, well if she took him he was never mine But deep inside you know that's just another lie And now you're kinda cold to the people you meet Cause of something that was done to you by some creep But nevertheless, I'll say it again That these are the people that we call friends
[Hook] Friends – how many of us have them? Friends – ones we can depend on Friends – how many of us have them? Friends – before we go any further, let's be Friends
[Verse] Kill Jay Z, they'll never love you You'll never be enough, let's just keep it real, Jay Z Fuck Jay Z, I mean, you shot your own brother How can we know if we can trust Jay Z? And you know better, nigga, I know you do But you gotta do better, boy, you owe it to Blue You had no father, you had the armor But you got a daughter, gotta get softer Die Jay Z, this ain't back in the days You don't need an alibi, Jay Z Cry Jay Z, we know the pain is real But you can't heal what you never reveal What's up, Jay Z? You know you owe the truth To all the youth that fell in love with Jay Z You got people you love you sold drugs to You got high on the life, that shit drugged you You walkin' around like you invincible You dropped outta school, you lost your principles I know people backstab you, I felt bad too But this 'fuck everybody' attitude ain't natural But you ain't a saint, this ain't kumbaye But you got hurt because you did cool by 'Ye You gave him 20 million without blinkin' He gave you 20 minutes on stage, fuck was he thinkin'? "Fuck wrong with everybody?" is what you sayin' But if everybody's crazy, you're the one that's insane Crazy how life works You got a knot in your chest, imagine how a knife hurts You stabbed Un over some records Your excuse was "He was talkin' too reckless!" Let go your ego over your right shoulder Your left is sayin', "Finish your breakfast!" You egged Solange on Knowin' all along, all you had to say you was wrong You almost went Eric Benét Let the baddest girl in the world get away I don't even know what else to say Nigga, never go Eric Benét! I don't even know what you woulda done In the future other niggas playin' football with your son You woulda lost it Thirteen bottles of Ace of Spade, what it did to Boston Nah, Jay Z Bye, Jay Z
So, what have we learned thus far? That social engineering was and is deep. And they are whiling to go far in defending it as well.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
Jay-Z Talks About Dissing Kanye West & Future, Cheating On Beyonce, Solange Elevator Incident & More
Come on man. Jay-Z ain't conscious and never has been.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
But wait a minute isn't Beyonce a Black Panther?
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Come on man. Jay-Z ain't conscious never has been.
He is conscious and always has been. He may not expressed it and choose another path, but he always has been conscious.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: But wait a minute isn't Beyonce a Black Panther?
But wait a minute. Every time you post you run a mock with yourself.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
It was probably not by accident you posted that link?
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Beyonce Brings Black Panther Chic, Black Lives Matter Message to Super Bowl Halftime
You may recall that the Black Panther Party was, as the Freedom Center's Discover the Networks site describes them, a violent revolutionary organization of the 1960s and 1970s whose members engaged in drug dealing, pimping, rape, extortion, assault, and murder. Their aim was to harass the police, protest against “police brutality” and America’s allegedly racist power structure, and ultimately ignite a violent race war in the United States.
—Mark Tapson Editor-in-Chief Mark Tapson is a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center, where he focuses on the politics of popular culture.
I wonder the lioness, why do you hate black people? What have black people done to you and "your community" for you to hate blacks as much as you do?
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
For the ill informed on who the Black Panthers were. Look at:
there is real wokeness and there is trend wokeness used as marketing
You do not seem to be able to distinguish them.
Look at here hair dyed blonde while the other girls all have black afro puffs, it's ridiculous and the fact that it happened at the super bowl should tell you something
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: He is conscious and always has been. He may not expressed it and choose another path, but he always has been conscious.
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Music business hate me ‘cause the industry ain't make me Hustlers and boosters embrace me and the music I be making I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars They criticized me for it, yet they all yell "holla" If skills sold, truth be told, I'd probably be lyrically Talib Kweli Truthfully I wanna rhyme like Common Sense But I did 5 mill' – I ain't been rhyming like Common since When your cents got that much in common
--Jay Z, Moment of Clarity
Why don't you ever make threads on blacks in the Netherlands? I attribute your naivete to not being American. Jay Z is drug dealer music. Ask Chuck D, Freeway Ricky Ross or tific, they'll tell you you are overboard in thinking rappers can say no wrong
when you know better and you choose another path for the sake of making more money do you know what the term for that is?
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I'm black fool
Wake up
there is real wokeness and there is trend wokeness used as marketing
It's funny when you are telling me to "wake up", when you are in a deep hybernation. So deep that you can't even respond to the most basic questions.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Why don't you ever make threads on blacks in the Netherlands?
Because you will not grasp any of it, just like you lack understanding of blacks in America. But perhaps we should talk about Sweden or that neighboring place where you are from.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Look at here hair dyed blonde while the other girls all have black afro puffs, it's ridiculous and the fact that it happened at the super bowl should tell you something
Stop derailing, and acting as if you know about black peoples hair. You have been exposed multiple times on here over the many years. That link you had was HIDEOUS and a BOLDFACE LIE!
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Music business hate me ‘cause the industry ain't make me Hustlers and boosters embrace me and the music I be making I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars They criticized me for it, yet they all yell "holla" If skills sold, truth be told, I'd probably be lyrically Talib Kweli Truthfully I wanna rhyme like Common Sense But I did 5 mill' – I ain't been rhyming like Common since When your cents got that much in common
--Jay Z, Moment of Clarity
You keep making these funny basic assumptions, simple because you don't know what that HELL you are talking about.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I attribute your naivete to not being American. Jay Z is drug dealer music.
when you know better and you choose another path for the sake of making more money do you know what the term for that is?
Says the clown, who has been called out by everybody to be a FAKE. How more "real" can it get?
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
Ask Chuck D, Freeway Ricky Ross or tific, they'll tell you you are overboard in thinking rappers can say no wrong
when you know better and you choose another path for the sake of making more money do you know what the term for that is?
More half-witted arguments.
You should ask Chuck D, Freeway, Ricky Ross… about the Black Panthers.
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