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Posted by stellalocal (Member # 4064) on :

This is big john of the duo john and john it has come to our attention that some of you on here have had plenty to say about us in the past one person stating that she heard me saying that i was going to do something to a member of staff up his butt without a condom!!!!!!!!!!! where you think up these comments is beyond me.We might be what we are thats our business and we keep ourselves to our selves many people here in luxor think they know everything about us but none actually do.If however you have seen us doing anything with egyptians or anyone else for that matterthen you are a liar we are very private people many of you on this site have been to our home and also to the restaurant i am sure you know exactly what we are like and our work visa's are always granted straight away and have been so for the last 7.5 years one comment made was that you should take care of AIDS if you eat in the restaurant well as it was said you have to have an aids test to get the work visa and as was also said that can be fixed well if it can please tell me how as i hate having to go through the bloody farce at the hospital every year oh and by the way i am also very fat so i am hardly an aids case i think!!Oh by the way i am on a diet so maybe there will be alot more talk on here now i am losing some of this fat!!! One thing i would like to say is that i have told you who i am as stellalocal alot on here that have got plenty of bad stuff to say about folk dont disclose who they really are only a handful of you congratulations jane,yvonne .Why dont the rest of you be honest and say who you really are then start the backstabbing??As for the article by hassencheb i am thankful that we are not included in that listing of places to go as we are NOT a GAY meeting place and never will be we are gay friendly if you are not a screaming queen and not after our staff or on the pick up as you will be ousted out if you are. Gay, straight,bi or anything else you are welcome in our place if you are a normal person sorry but we dont have time for screaming queens or the handbag briggade.
The person asking about restaurants in Luxor we are at 7 days 7 ways fully licenced and are in between the sheraton and the isis hotels.Perhaps you would like to call in one day for a meal Jane then maybe you might feel you can recomend us we have egyptian menu,english menu no bacon or sausage only occaisionaly anyway!! vegetarian an full international.
Now lets see what replies i get wowwwwww!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Automatik (Member # 4457) on :

Hi John,

We have met several times on the ferry and chatted and I have eaten in your restaurant many times with my English partner. The only reason I do not say who I am is because it would bring me even more flack than I get already from the moral minority.

I have no problem at all with gay men that are in relationships like yours - only those that give Luxor a bad name with their promiscuity. I make the same complaint about some of the women that visit Luxor too.

the only problem I ever had with your food is that you serve so much of it that it was horrific for my waistline - you will appreciate that.

Good luck with the diet. Send me a copy

PS: I am not a backstabber - but you can still see the knives sticking out of mine from this and another forum.

[This message has been edited by Luxorlover (edited 24 July 2004).]

Posted by Kenzie (Member # 3519) on :

Well said BIG John.

I too have eaten in your restaurant many times. The food is always lovely and the place is spotless.

After 7 and half years of sucessful business you must be doing something right bacuase the place is always packed out.

Posted by wills76 (Member # 4427) on :

Hi John,

Well said. Like Luxorlover and Kenzie I to have be for a meal on several occasions at your place with Janet, like luxorlover pointed out not good for the waistline lol but have had no complaints always had great meals. See you in November.

Posted by strangelookingnegro (Member # 151) on :

Hi John, I'm just Debbie. I was in your restaurant last Tuesday night with some friends. We are all members on the board here and we had read the stories about the half time floor show in your restaurant, and came in to see what we might see. Gotta say, I have NO IDEA what the moral majority that came up with these stories was talking about. Your place is clean, the people seem altogether completely decent, and the food was good....and above all, the service was very good. Waiters that know to bring that second round get my vote, every time! You get a thumbs up from me anyway. And I'll recommend you to anyone looking for food in Luxor.

Posted by chelle67 (Member # 4442) on :

hello John, I have read all of the reviews about your restaurant on a British holiday site and it is handy to know that if my little man (youngest son) starts moaning about food i can come to your restaurant and he can then stuff his face with cottage pie or roast untill his little heart is content

Good luck with your diet, although i have to say, have you ever heard the saying NEVER TRUST A SKINNY CHEF

Posted by akshar (Member # 1680) on :

I think you are quite right to be aggrieved about the comments made about you. Your lifestyle choices have nothing to do with your business or your cooking skills. I have made a lifestyle choice to be a second wife and some people find that offensive and have attacked me for it. I think that is their problem not mine

I especially dislike the way ES makes itself into judge, jury and executioner. I don’t agree with that about the gigolos either. I am really glad that you have come on the board to present your side of the story but annoyed you should have to. Nobody should have accused you in the first place.

I am pleased to stand by my comments in that thread
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/Forum1/HTML/001079.html

I made three posts

quote:

And what difference does that make to their cooking.
What a nasty comment

quote:
Well I went to that restaurant in 2000 with my daughter aged 8 and we didn't see anything like that. We thought it was a really nice place and enjoyed the food.
I am incredibly disappointed in your attitude Monica I thought you were an educated 'lady' not a rabid homophobic
I hate the idea of using the Internet as prosecution, judge and jury. What happened to defence, fair play and justice

quote:

I think to show prejudice because someone is different from you is uneducated. You may disagree with their way of life and feel that it is against God. But that is between them and God. He did not appoint you as his personal aide de camp.
Also to suggest that eating at a restaurant puts you in danger of Aids or HIV is incredibly uneducated. These can only be caught by exchange of body fluids. Not eating a spag bol.
I also find this prosecution, judge and jury thing uneducated. People of education believe in fair play and justice. To damage someone’s business like that is most definitely not fair. If these people have done something against the law then by all means report it. But if nothing has happened could it be because they were innocent of the charges upon investigation.

I was so surprised that someone like Monica who supports the aims of amnesty international which strive to protect all victims should be so keen to attack someone with so much vitriol. To state that she does not believe in homosexuality is fine but to descend to the level of a fish wife in expressing it is uneducated.

------------------
Jane Akshar UK Co-owner of www.flatsinluxor.co.uk Appartments and Tours in Luxor

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Posted by jaguar (Member # 3378) on :

So touched by the support you're all showing to our food AIDS free Saviour Mr Big Fat John.. these tips are for the naughty happy couple Mr & Mr John.....

* Always use condoms while on duty
* Avoid looking at your staffs' butts
* Avoid dropping anything on floor while cooking- other John might use/abuse the moment... (heat of the moment , that is)

God bless you to Egypt .... Aameen ya Rab.

Please do not spread your filth

Posted by Haqikah (Member # 4725) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Luxorlover
I have no problem at all with gay men that are in relationships like yours

I read on another thread that you are not so sure about your choice of Islam. Well now may be a good time for you to do some serious soul searching. Maybe the religion is not for you to embrace, as some of your current ideologies go against what Islam stands for. Many of your pre-islamic positions will need to be suppressed. Accepting homosexuality is one of them.

Posted by newcomer (Member # 1056) on :

Assalamu alaykum Haqikah!

It was great that you noticed that Luxorlover was going to be facing some challenging spiritual times, I am sure she will appreciate any help that you, as a sister in Islam, can offer her in her struggle.

Posted by Automatik (Member # 4457) on :

Sorry: I will not condemn homosexuality, but I will not particpate in it or promote it. In my job, had I mentioned one word that was anti-gay I would have got the sack immediately. Everyman and woman has the freedom of choice and none can be held responsible for the actions of others. I am no judge or jury on any man or woman. Allah is that. If someone wants to lead an alternatuve life-style that is their business.

Akshar: Gigolos are gigolos. That is their profession. When they take it up they know what they are doing. Same with the rent boys. They know the score. They do not have to do it. Being a prostitute is an occupational rather than a life-style choice. Their job is to relieve people of as much money as they can without getting found out. Most of the men in Egypt manage to live their lives without selling their bodies and their souls.

If those that are unwittingly caught in their webs choose to condemn them, I believe they have earned the right. If you had lost your lovely block of flats and all your money then you might have thought that you had earned the right to moan too - and to act as judge and jury.

Some women have lost everything to unscrupulous men that happened to be Egyptian. Egyptians should not be condemned out of hand but I think that it is fair that gigolos get some stick for their practices. However, those that choose a lifestyle that hurts nobody but themselves should be left alone to get with it.

Posted by Haqikah (Member # 4725) on :

Wa alaykum as-salaam Newcomer,

I understand that she embraced Islam on her own, no one imposed it on her. Therefore, she should seek guidance on her own and that's only if she is in fact serious about her choices.

I do not engage myself in islamic missionary work, and I also will not sit by idly and watch anyone make a mockery of my religion.

salaam

Posted by Haqikah (Member # 4725) on :

Luxorlover, homosexuality is abnormal behavior. It is not natural as gay men would like for us to believe. No one is born gay. I have yet to read about any reliable experiments conducted on newborn children to determine if they will become gay. Have you? It is a sickness just like all the other deranged behavior disorders. It falls right in the category with child molestation, rapists, promiscuity, and beastiality-sexual dysfunctions in variable instances.

Biological evidence--clearly indicates that it is a disorder, in that homosexuality represents a tendency to want to use body parts for some purpose other than that for which they were designed. The penis and vagina are certainly constructed for male-female intercourse. Their complimentary shapes, the location of highly sensitive nerve endings show, without a doubt, the Divine (or evolutionary, if you will) intent.

Regardless of where you stand on the pleasure-relational aspects of sexuality, man and woman's sexuality is inextricably associated with reproduction, and two men or two women cannot reproduce. Therefore, homosexuality is a condition that, in a fundamental way, is contrary to nature. Biologically, it is simply not natural or normal.

Most arguments favoring homosexuality as normal and natural, therefore, are aimed at creating an impression that homosexuality is extremely widespread, that it occurs everywhere in nature. Furthermore, human sexuality is viewed as an extremely fluid thing in which all sorts of variations are just going to happen.

Imagine if the whole world engaged in this so-called normal practice. Then no one would be able to reproduce. Reproduction is normal, and any practice that hinders this is essentially abnormal.

Posted by jaguar (Member # 3378) on :

LuxorLover... as my chum, may I ask you.. What do you condemn in life??
I just cannot comprehend this PUKING scene: 2 men- naked- touching- kissing- penetrating, and eventually having an orgazm and then feeling good about it- and then , here comes Mr Fag Fat Pig bragging about his Restaurant and Not defending his arse, let alone his Manhood. Not sorry for being blunt.
En Baleetom Fa Estatero...
Debbie.. glad you enjoyed the 2nd round and I am amused : moral majority

Posted by Automatik (Member # 4457) on :

Hi Jag. You know me well.

I only condemn the things I do myself. If I do something that offends Allah then I am responsible for it and have to atone. I try not to do things that are against what I have come to believe - but I am not responsible for what others choose to do. What they do in private is not my concern - unless it involves me (or my son). If they frighten me or the horses by performing in the street, then that is something else again.

Homosexuality is both abnormal and in Egypt illegal, but John has chosen his lifestyle and it is not up to me to condemn this because it has had no effect on my life. That is up to those who enforce the law. If they choose to ignore it, and they do, then that is something that might need to be addressed. At least he is honest about what he is instead of pretending to be 'straight' as many married men do.

Haqikah: (Truth) - I am not making a mockery of your religion and if it was me that the comment was aimed at then I find it offensive. I will judge nobody - except those that hurt children and then I am ready to kill. Allah will ask for explanations, not me.

Posted by katrina (Member # 3747) on :

Hey, Askhar, are you starting this "fish wife" thingy again? Shall we say "sugar" filthy mama about you? What do you get over there? free meals? I bet you LOVE to eat

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Posted by elmagnoon (Member # 4199) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Luxorlover:
I am not making a mockery of your religion

You mean OUR religion, don't you?

Posted by Automatik (Member # 4457) on :

Once again ElMagnoon, you quote things out of context. Re-read Haqikah's posting - she said "my religion". Personal ownership of it.

Can you honestly tell me that all of the millions of Muslims in the world have exactly the same interpretation of Islam. Perhaps Hakiqah's interpretation of it as in individual as mine seems to be.

Posted by elmagnoon (Member # 4199) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Luxorlover:
Once again ElMagnoon, you quote things out of context. Re-read Haqikah's posting - she said "my religion". Personal ownership of it.
Can you honestly tell me that all of the millions of Muslims in the world have exactly the same interpretation of Islam. Perhaps Hakiqah's interpretation of it as in individual as mine seems to be.

Islam is a Religion, it is Haqikah's and you claim that it is also yours and therfore you could properly refer to it as OUR religion.

As for interpretation, enough crap already.

Posted by strangelookingnegro (Member # 151) on :

quote:
Originally posted by jaguar:

Debbie.. glad you enjoyed the 2nd round and I am amused : moral majority

Glad I could be of entertainment for you. And will also repeat that yes, I enjoyed my meal, the company and the atmosphere immensely. Thankfully, from what I saw, those that don't want to eat there don't have to, and John will never notice. It was nearly SRO the night I was there anyway.... so everyone should just try to be happy, mind your own business, and do as you like... not hurting anyone else.

Posted by Automatik (Member # 4457) on :

Nice choice of words again. You never fail to disappoint me El Magnoon. Crap it is then. I shall not argue.

I have made myself a resolution. If you promise to get off my back, I shall battle with my own demons and not comment on a religious line again (unless Mokoo writes something that I find of interest.

You have no need to worry about my soul. Worry about your own. There is a black hearted demon inside it.

Posted by PRchick (Member # 4794) on :

[QUOTE]Originally posted by katrina:
[B]Hey, Askhar, are you starting this "fish wife" thingy again? Shall we say "sugar" filthy mama about you? What do you get over there? free meals? I bet you LOVE to eat

How truly rude, mean-spirited, uncalled for, and low-class.

Posted by katrina (Member # 3747) on :

quote:
Originally posted by PRchick:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by katrina:
[B]Hey, Askhar, are you starting this "fish wife" thingy again? Shall we say "sugar" filthy mama about you? What do you get over there? free meals? I bet you LOVE to eat
How truly rude, mean-spirited, uncalled for, and low-class.

oops... Calling people "fish wives" can hardly be a high class behaviour. Therefore, her favor was returned. You seem to be way too familiar with the ES business for a second time poster...

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Posted by PRchick (Member # 4794) on :

[QUOTE]Originally posted by katrina:
[B] oopsey daisey... Calling people "fish wives" adn starting the theme again can barely be a high class behaviour. Therefore, her favor was returned. You seem to be way too knowledgable for a second time poster.. heheheeh

I'm glad you edited your first comments, although I read them before you switched. And you edited the second batch but I saw that also. It doesn't take knowledge to recognize poor behavior. Just like it doesn't take acceptance to be tolerant. And I live in the States, not Egypt.

Posted by jaguar (Member # 3378) on :

PRchick... Smart chick... a Bloody witty catch.

1-oopsey Calling people "fish wives" can hardly be a high class behaviour. Therefore, her favor was returned. You seem to be way too familiar with the ES business for a second time poster...

2-oopsey daisey... Calling people "fish wives" adn starting the theme again can barely be a high class behaviour. Therefore, her favor was returned. You seem to be way too knowledgable for a second time poster.. heheheeh

Posted by PRchick (Member # 4794) on :

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jaguar:
[B]PRchick... Smart chick... a Bloody witty catch.

Actually, that was the second and third edits. The first post was much, much longer and very cruel to other members. There's no need for that.

Posted by katrina (Member # 3747) on :

quote:
Originally posted by PRchick:
[QUOTE]
Actually, that was the second and third edits. The first post was much, much longer and very cruel to other members. There's no need for that.

Listen, truth hurts, that is all I can say. I am glad you read my long post. That was the truth. Oh, and I would not plurarize this. It is only about one member, who made multiple offences to other very respectable members on ES. So weird that this is the only thing that bothers you on ES. You make me laugh...

oh, yeah, almost forgot...On the issue of tolerance that you brought up and all of a sudden became such an expert of including knowing all the stories here in depth in a matter of two posts... Tolerance of what exactly? Vulgarity, perversion, obscenity, and filth?

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Posted by katrina (Member # 3747) on :

quote:
Originally posted by jaguar:
PRchick... Smart chick... a Bloody witty catch.

1-oopsey Calling people "fish wives" can hardly be a high class behaviour. Therefore, her favor was returned. You seem to be way too familiar with the ES business for a second time poster...
2-oopsey daisey... Calling people "fish wives" adn starting the theme again can barely be a high class behaviour. Therefore, her favor was returned. You seem to be way too knowledgable for a second time poster.. heheheeh

jag, oh, yeah

Posted by PRchick (Member # 4794) on :

[QUOTE]Originally posted by katrina:
[B]
"oh, yeah, almost forgot...On the issue of tolerance that you brought up and all of a sudden became such an expert of including knowing all the stories here in depth in a matter of two posts... Tolerance of what exactly? Vulgarity, perversion, obscenity, and filth? "

Well, I'm glad I make you laugh. Maybe you will develop a sense of humor. No, I don't know all the stories in depth, but I can spot intolerance and bigotry without reading too far. There's only so long many of us can be silent while watching such cruel behavior. Say, you don't happen to be an agent for Jerry Farwell do you?

Posted by katrina (Member # 3747) on :

quote:
Originally posted by PRchick:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by katrina:
[B]
"oh, yeah, almost forgot...On the issue of tolerance that you brought up and all of a sudden became such an expert of including knowing all the stories here in depth in a matter of two posts... Tolerance of what exactly? Vulgarity, perversion, obscenity, and filth? "

Well, I'm glad I make you laugh. Maybe you will develop a sense of humor. No, I don't know all the stories in depth, but I can spot intolerance and bigotry without reading too far. There's only so long many of us can be silent while watching such cruel behavior. Say, you don't happen to be an agent for Jerry Farwell do you?

wowowow

and you newly hired Miss Public Relations Chick?! Oh, well, a rational person never makes a conclusion "without reading too far"..

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Posted by Automatik (Member # 4457) on :

Who is Jerry Farwell??

Posted by PRchick (Member # 4794) on :

"

Miss Public Relations Chick?! Oh, well, a rational person never makes a conclusion "without reading too far"..

oh, and how come someon's comments about "fish wives" did not bother you as
'bigotry" and ignorance? You make me crack up

wow, travel agency + Luxor flats + 7 days 7 ways = not a bad start for a conglomerate. makes economic sense. + favorable tax treatment. Since you read my long post, i do not need to fill you on more..

And you.. a newly hired Public Relations agent for this splendid merger in the tourist industry? hehehehe"

I believe you just made my point on poor behavior.

Posted by PRchick (Member # 4794) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Luxorlover:
Who is Jerry Farwell??

Jerry Farwell is a very right wing religious personality here in the States.

Posted by katrina (Member # 3747) on :

quote:
Originally posted by PRchick:
Jerry Farwell is a very right wing religious personality here in the States.

hahahaha

I am very agnostic...Not even religious. Oh, my political views are neither republican nor democratic.. by the way, I take pride in thinking issues through and reading the board through before making statements. And so I suggest that to you before you became such a zealous defender of Miss Jane...but hey, I will stand up by my opinion: I do not tolerate vulgarity, perversion, obscenity and would not call it "different".

Posted by PRchick (Member # 4794) on :

"

quote:
Originally posted by katrina:
[/b]

hahahaha

To have an opinion on an issue is one thing and you certainly have a right to that. To make sarcastic comments that are cruel and hurtful because someone doesn't agree with you is quite another thing.

Posted by katrina (Member # 3747) on :

PRchick:

As I told you before many posts above. There was no need to offend other people first. What comes around, goes around. Got it?

By the way, since you are a "newbie", you may not know that I am actually very nice to people. But again one more time: I do not tolerate vulgarity and filth. It is not a difference in opinion. I will stand by it firmly. Again truth is not cruel. Truth hurts

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Posted by PRchick (Member # 4794) on :

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree and move on. I think we've played this one out.

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Posted by philand teresa (Member # 2726) on :

Quote "Jerry Farwell is a very right wing religious personality here in the States" How can this Jerry Farwell be very right wing and have a personality? Thats a contradiction in terms.

Posted by philand teresa (Member # 2726) on :

Quote from jaguar "I just cannot comprehend this PUKING scene: 2 men- naked- touching- kissing- penetrating, and eventually having an orgazm and then feeling good about it"

Jaguar you obviously spend lots of time thinking about the act of physical love between two men. every time it is mentioned in this forum you make comment. As a consultant Psychiatrist my advice to you would be is it not about time you came out of the closet?

Posted by Karah_Mia (Member # 4668) on :

quote:
Originally posted by philand teresa:
Quote "Jerry Farwell is a very right wing religious personality here in the States" How can this Jerry Farwell be very right wing and have a personality? Thats a contradiction in terms.

A grand contradiction indeed..

Posted by Karah_Mia (Member # 4668) on :

quote:
Originally posted by philand teresa:
Quote from jaguar "I just cannot comprehend this PUKING scene: 2 men- naked- touching- kissing- penetrating, and eventually having an orgazm and then feeling good about it"
Jaguar you obviously spend lots of time thinking about the act of physical love between two men. every time it is mentioned in this forum you make comment. As a consultant Psychiatrist my advice to you would be is it not about time you came out of the closet?

Good point...

Posted by Automatik (Member # 4457) on :

Karah - "Right-wing religious personality" - oxymoron or moronic ??

Posted by Automatik (Member # 4457) on :

Split personality - quick tell Freud about it.

Jaguar: If Phil and Teresa are a consultant psychiatrist, which one of them is invisible during your consultations? Does one question while the other makes tea?

No sugar in mine please. !

Posted by Karah_Mia (Member # 4668) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Luxorlover:
Karah - "Right-wing religious personality" - oxymoron or moronic ??

moroxynonic...

Posted by Automatik (Member # 4457) on :

Lovely

Posted by Karah_Mia (Member # 4668) on :

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Posted by jaguar (Member # 3378) on :

Not so sure if this has been posted by phil or teresa the belly dancer... anyway, your post is just as shallow as your website.. as for KHarah_Mia... never mind..
I thought this thread is getting a bit boring and puking... cannot you think of anything better to post?

quote:
Originally posted by philand teresa:
Quote from jaguar "I just cannot comprehend this PUKING scene: 2 men- naked- touching- kissing- penetrating, and eventually having an orgazm and then feeling good about it"
Jaguar you obviously spend lots of time thinking about the act of physical love between two men. every time it is mentioned in this forum you make comment. As a consultant Psychiatrist my advice to you would be is it not about time you came out of the closet?

Posted by PRchick (Member # 4794) on :

quote:
Originally posted by philand teresa:
Quote "Jerry Farwell is a very right wing religious personality here in the States" How can this Jerry Farwell be very right wing and have a personality? Thats a contradiction in terms.

lol I was being kind.

Posted by Karah_Mia (Member # 4668) on :

[ as for KHarah_Mia... never mind..
I thought this thread is getting a bit boring and puking... cannot you think of anything better to post?

I sure can; my next post will describe a puking lesbian act.

Posted by Monica (Member # 2621) on :

Conclusion: it must be so difficult to undertand our culture!!

Too bad.

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Posted by dreamcatcher (Member # 3938) on :

quote:
Originally posted by PRchick:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by katrina:
[B]Hey, Askhar, are you starting this "fish wife" thingy again? Shall we say "sugar" filthy mama about you? What do you get over there? free meals? I bet you LOVE to eat
How truly rude, mean-spirited, uncalled for, and low-class.

I could not agree with you more.
Dreamcatcher

Posted by Hopes4tomorrow (Member # 4784) on :

Why do not you people stop playing god and let everyone be who they are and what they want to be as long as they do not hurt anyone and let God himself be the judge, the jury and the executioner.
There are lots of people who hide behiend closed doors and others and do eveything wrong possible and during the day they are the angels sent by God and guess what they are good at" Judging others for what they do and believe".
Can not you people just life in peace.John, Ashkir, Debbie and others who mind their own bussines, Good to hear that some people have opend minds and respect others.
I'm new to this websitee and I've been reading all the topices and the replies to them and It makes me sad to see how judgemental we are. I always find out that people who judge others are either unhappy in their life, how donot have the strength to change their lives, judge others and make fun of them b/c It's much easier to turn their anger onto others so they can feel bigger and stronger, OR they are envy of those people who do not hide what they do, b/c the executioner hiself could not come up front and do the same. How sad.

Posted by Karah_Mia (Member # 4668) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Hopes4tomorrow:
Why do not you people stop playing god and let everyone be who they are and what they want to be as long as they do not hurt anyone and let God himself be the judge, the jury and the executioner.
There are lots of people who hide behiend closed doors and others and do eveything wrong possible and during the day they are the angels sent by God and guess what they are good at" Judging others for what they do and believe".
Can not you people just life in peace.John, Ashkir, Debbie and others who mind their own bussines, Good to hear that some people have opend minds and respect others.
I'm new to this websitee and I've been reading all the topices and the replies to them and It makes me sad to see how judgemental we are. I always find out that people who judge others are either unhappy in their life, how donot have the strength to change their lives, judge others and make fun of them b/c It's much easier to turn their anger onto others so they can feel bigger and stronger, OR they are envy of those people who do not hide what they do, b/c the executioner hiself could not come up front and do the same. How sad.

Your post made me think. And made me sad. Our world can only survive thanks to collective effort of all of us, together. The key is acceptance, forgiveness, understanding, and respecting the differences between one another. If I ever sound like a judgmental bitch, I sincerely apologize.
'Hate is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die'

Posted by elmagnoon (Member # 4199) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Hopes4tomorrow:
Why do not you people stop playing god and let everyone be who they are and what they want to be as long as they do not hurt anyone and let God himself be the judge, the jury and the executioner.
There are lots of people who hide behiend closed doors and others and do eveything wrong possible and during the day they are the angels sent by God and guess what they are good at" Judging others for what they do and believe".
Can not you people just life in peace.John, Ashkir, Debbie and others who mind their own bussines, Good to hear that some people have opend minds and respect others.
I'm new to this websitee and I've been reading all the topices and the replies to them and It makes me sad to see how judgemental we are. I always find out that people who judge others are either unhappy in their life, how donot have the strength to change their lives, judge others and make fun of them b/c It's much easier to turn their anger onto others so they can feel bigger and stronger, OR they are envy of those people who do not hide what they do, b/c the executioner hiself could not come up front and do the same. How sad.

Hopes4tomorrow...**** you.

Tell me something waco...what possessed you to post in support of a bunch of idiots.
Wait, I know the answer , you're like them if not one of them.The problem with you dummies is you can write, but with absolutely no comprehension whatsoever.
What do you mean by OPEN MIND , shithead. Seriously , what the **** does that mean? Are you saying that anything goes, no more right and wrong.Well guess what sicko every society have rules,it is the basic principal of Freedom and Democracy.You can discuss changes to those rules with an open mind but you NEVER disregard them or encourge others to do so.

Ok, so the Majority of egyptian are decidedly CLOSE MINDED, how about some fucking respect for our way of life and for our laws.
Do we have to accept Gays,Gay Maraige,Prostitution, Drugs, Booz..etc , or we're close minded.If you don't like our close mindedness , LEAVE

ONE OF THESE DAYS ....I'M GOING TO CUT YOU INTO LITTLE PIECES

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Posted by Automatik (Member # 4457) on :

Most of the fights on this board seem to start with one person defending someone who has been attacked. Eventually that person will turn round and bite you anyway so it is a waste of time.

I attacked Natashah in defence of Dreamcatcher, Jane attacked Monica again while defending her own position while defending John, Katrina attacked Jane in defense of Monica, people attack Jane in defense of her husbdand's Egyptian wife - and so ad infinitum. I've been attacked by all and sundry. It used to upset me, but it doesn't now.

I believe this argument started with John's defense of his postition. I was one of the first to say I did not have a problem with his lifestyle - but, this is Egypt not Earl's Court or LA.

I was not present at the first incident in the restaurant that started the original discussion and I have no idea what John said to his waiter but I was there when a woman diner asked John "Have you had a boy this week and how much did it cost you?". She then went on to tell her companions that "they get a boy between them and it only costs about 20 LE". Whatever the truth of her statement, it did not appear to upset or offended John in anyway. In fact he seemed to be amused. In a Muslim society such behaviour is eventually bound to lead to condemnation.

El Magnoon and I seldom agree on anything - but in this case he has a point. Egypt has it laws and they should be obeyed. Break them and you should accept the consequences.

Now all of you 'shake hands' and smile.

Posted by Natashiah (Member # 4566) on :

quote:
Originally posted by elmagnoon:
how about some fucking respect for our way of life and for our laws.
Do we have to accept Gays,Gay Maraige,Prostitution, Drugs, Booz..etc , or we're close minded.If you don't like our close mindedness , [b]LEAVE
[This message has been edited by elmagnoon (edited 28 July 2004).][/B]

MMMMM....its a little harsh...but what the hell...youre right.Close mindedness is not really a such a bad thing...at least you get to maintain your culture...if you were sooo open minded...Egypt would have been Walt Disney by now!Youre part of the Middle East & Africa...keep it that way.

Posted by strangelookingnegro (Member # 151) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Natashiah:
MMMMM....its a little harsh...but what the hell...youre right.Close mindedness is not really a such a bad thing...at least you get to maintain your culture...if you were sooo open minded...Egypt would have been Walt Disney by now!Youre part of the Middle East & Africa...keep it that way.

Natashiah - I can be a bit daft sometimes, but was this to be read with as much sarcasm as it sounds like? If so, WTG....good post!

Posted by strangelookingnegro (Member # 151) on :

quote:
Originally posted by elmagnoon:
Hopes4tomorrow...**** you.
Tell me something waco...what possessed you to post in support of a bunch of idiots.
Wait, I know the answer , you're like them if not one of them.The problem with you dummies is you can write, but with absolutely no comprehension whatsoever.
What do you mean by OPEN MIND , shithead. Seriously , what the **** does that mean? Are you saying that anything goes, no more right and wrong.Well guess what sicko every society have rules,it is the basic principal of Freedom and Democracy.You can discuss changes to those rules with an open mind but you NEVER disregard them or encourge others to do so.
Ok, so the Majority of egyptian are decidedly CLOSE MINDED, how about some fucking respect for our way of life and for our laws.
Do we have to accept Gays,Gay Maraige,Prostitution, Drugs, Booz..etc , or we're close minded.If you don't like our close mindedness , [b]LEAVE

ONE OF THESE DAYS ....I'M GOING TO CUT YOU INTO LITTLE PIECES
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Jag - Are you really on the same side as this lunatic? If so, are you proud of it? A post like this just speaks volumes about what kind of person he is and the people that rally around him....don't you think?

Posted by Natashiah (Member # 4566) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Debbie:
Natashiah - I can be a bit daft sometimes, but was this to be read with as much sarcasm as it sounds like? If so, WTG....good post!

There was absolutely no sarcasm intended...Sorry for the mistunderstanding

Posted by jaguar (Member # 3378) on :

Debbie... apart from ONE OF THESE DAYS ....I'M GOING TO CUT YOU INTO LITTLE PIECES.. Magnoon makes sense to me......
Am I bad??

Posted by Automatik (Member # 4457) on :

If people do not like Egypt's laws they should campaign to get them changed. If they break them they should accept the consequences. Ignorance of the law has never been a defence.

It is always easy for outsiders to say how coutries should be run. Jag and ElMagnoon have a point in that it is their country - not that of most people on the forum - even those that live here.

There is no law against homosexuality in Egypt but there is a law against homosexual acts. It was the same in England before the Wolfenden report led to a change in the law. Until the law is changed, it is a criminal not just a 'sinful' act.

If anyone breaks the speed limit while driving a bright red car with a faulty exhaust system they must expect to get noticed - if they do it quietly then nobody will care.

Posted by wise_woman (Member # 444) on :

To Big John,
if this really is you posting on this site,

it was myself that made the original posting re. you threatening waiters and being crude.

I referred to 2 incidents in your restaurant in July 2001.

I dont know if you were having a bad day or if it was the heat or if it was a bad joke, but as a paying customer and human being, I was offended at your behaviour - what you said and how you said it.

If it wasnt you, then it must have been another large man called John working there and who sits outside the restaurants in the evening chatting to passers by.

I have never invented any stories re. aids, gay meeting place etc ... but others have and it's all nonsense.

I do not doubt the quality of your cooking or hygiene, it must be of a high standard as both your restaurant and bar are always busy and popular. Even the holiday reps bringing tourists to Luxor from the airport recommend it.

I didnt like your behaviour towards staff in July 2001. That's all.

Posted by ayman2 (Member # 1722) on :

quote:
Originally posted by elmagnoon:

[b] ONE OF THESE DAYS ....I'M GOING TO CUT YOU INTO LITTLE PIECES
[This message has been edited by elmagnoon (edited 28 July 2004).][/B]

elmagnoon,
The FBI will surely love to pay you a visit so you can explain that murder threat of yours.

Posted by Magnoon_O_Rama (Member # 4994) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ayman2:
elmagnoon,
The FBI will surely love to pay you a visit so you can explain that murder threat of yours.

You are obviously not a Pink Floyd fan and the FBI can kiss my ass.

Posted by claire_1237 (Member # 3724) on :

I have only just read this thread and I am really glad to see that you've had the opportunity to defend yourself. I just wanted to say that I have visited your place a couple of times and met the other John at your bar. He was v nice. We also chatted to you staff and my husband asked them what you were like as bosses and they had nothing but praise for you both.

Posted by Kenzie (Member # 3519) on :

Well said Claire. I go there at least once a week and the staff are always laughing and joking with John and John. They seem to have a very good working relationship.

Posted by ayman2 (Member # 1722) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Magnoon_O_Rama:
You are obviously not a Pink Floyd fan and the FBI can kiss my ass.

You can tell the FBI that when they come snatching you out of your rat hole. They are building the case against you right now. Its just a matter of time till you find yourself behind bars.

Posted by Manoesh (Member # 4770) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ayman2:
You can tell the FBI that when they come snatching you out of your rat hole. They are building the case against you right now. Its just a matter of time till you find yourself behind bars.

Its bullshit little threats like this that really pisses me off!Not that it has any value whatsover!...FB f**** I...CI f**** A!..Who the hell do you think you are????.I have noticed that some people have the tendency (especially if your Egyptian) to threaten with bullshit like "I will tell your minister of foreign affairs"..."Im know they wont be too happy to hear how you treat foreigners"...what the f**** is that????...

Are we supposed to run and **** in our pants because of idol little threats like that???

Ayman...YOUR MAMA!BITE ME!

Posted by ayman2 (Member # 1722) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Manoesh:
Its bullshit little threats like this that really pisses me off!Not that it has any value whatsover!...FB f**** I...CI f**** A!..Who the hell do you think you are????.I have noticed that some people have the tendency (especially if your Egyptian) to threaten with bullshit like "I will tell your minister of foreign affairs"..."Im know they wont be too happy to hear how you treat foreigners"...what the f**** is that????...
Are we supposed to run and **** in our pants because of idol little threats like that???
Ayman...YOUR MAMA!BITE ME!

Do you know what you are talking about?

When elmagnoon threatens by saying I'M GOING TO CUT YOU INTO LITTLE PIECES, then you find this entertaining?

elmagnoon has posted thousands of very obscene spam insults and threats for the last few months, and you are still trying to defend him?

Did you see how many of his threatening threads the moderators had to delete on "Living in Egypt" forum?

While hiding in Canada, elmagnoon repeatedly supported a foreign terrorist organization "Hizbul tahrir" that is promoting violence against Egyptians in Egypt.

elmagnoon has crossed the line into criminal activity and any decent law abiding citizen of any nation would report him to authorities.

And yes, I have already reported him to mabaheth amn el dawla. So they will be waiting for him if he ever ventures into coming to Egypt to carry on his threats.

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Posted by Marianne (Member # 2179) on :

interestings facts

Posted by elmagnoon (Member # 4199) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Manoesh:
Its bullshit little threats like this that really pisses me off!Not that it has any value whatsover!...FB f**** I...CI f**** A!..Who the hell do you think you are????.I have noticed that some people have the tendency (especially if your Egyptian) to threaten with bullshit like "I will tell your minister of foreign affairs"..."Im know they wont be too happy to hear how you treat foreigners"...what the f**** is that????...
Are we supposed to run and **** in our pants because of idol little threats like that???
Ayman...YOUR MAMA!BITE ME!

It's the corruption and the constant fear Egyptians live in that make some or them think that everone is as scared as they are.
It's sad really.

Posted by wolfy (Member # 5552) on :

hi loxurlove........it's Ali from jordan,i don't care if you are gay or not,it's a relatoinshipdon't listen to evrybody,don't care what they sayed,im sure they don't use condoms,when they get sex,im realy sure,as arab do.......i'v never been to luxor,would love to go there in january,i will eat from your returant,just give me your number or email,mine is ali_quza2002@yahoo.com,or you can call me at 0122266363.....im sure you will slove your problems,just do it,and never ever ever listen to anybody,my life here teched me that