Was Nubia a loosely populated colony of Egypt or a seperate nation with a national identity?
Egyptians didn't colonize Nubia untill the 18th dyansty.
The Qustal incense burner throws in question what relavence Nubia had on pre-dyanstic Egypt.
FIADIDJA-MAHAS and KENUZI-DONGOLA
http://i-cias.com/e.o/nubian_l.htm
Africa also like India has many different dialects. It probably unlikely the egyptians and the nubians spoke the same language even though they were related.
I guess a better question is for AUSAR.
AUSAR,
Can you understand the FIADIDJA-MAHAS or KENUZI-DONGOLA native language?
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C-group Nubians were definatley a continuation of earlier A-group traditions. Yurco points this out that many were able to unify despite their tribal base.
He never defined negroid in previous post. He also would not define a women in the picture he was asked to define.
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Originally posted by Horemheb:
I had a young Egyptian girl in one of my classes in 1996. She looked like she had been pealed off the wall of some ancient tomb. If you dressesd her up in that ancient garb she would look like any typical egyptian queen. I was struck by it because it shows how persistent genetic traits can be. There was nothing negroid about her. I'm not saying she represents everyone, but she sure looked like a classical egyptian too me.
Not to continue off topic but I once met a Palestinian girl whose face looked so much like the famous bust of Nefertiti it was scary. Nefertiti herself, possibly had some Palestinian ancestry. This beautiful lady had the same complexion, long neck, facial expression and all. She seemed to have some negroid ancestry. So much that she would likely be mistaken for a black American in the US.
There is some debate if Neferiti was of partial Syrian origin.
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Originally posted by Horemheb:
While we don't have Neferiti's mummy we have enough members of her family to know she had not a drop of negroid blood. This one is a nobrainer unless you go to the Africanists sites. They would tell you Juliyus Caesar was black.
Are you kidding me? Have you ever seen what Nefertiti's father looked like?
As ausur, pointed out, she was a descendant of Sequenere Tao.
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Originally posted by ausar:
Most linguist agree that the proto-AfroAsiatic speakers that later spawned the Egyptian,Semetic,oromotic,Chadic,and other languages originated in an area from Sudan to Ethiopia,so I see possibly the early people of this area were Afro-Asiatic speakers. Nubians generally were Nilo-Saharan speakers.
C-group Nubians were definatley a continuation of earlier A-group traditions. Yurco points this out that many were able to unify despite their tribal base.
Thought Writes:
You are correct Ausar, the Upper Egyptians and the Lower Nubians were craniometrically akin. Nubians probably spoke Nilo-Saharan AND Afro-Asiatic tongues, with the Nubians on the west side of the Nile leaning toward Nilo-Saharan and the Nubians on the east bank leaning toward Afro-Asiatic.
Do you see A-group as a predessor of C-group? Most scholars know believe this to be true that C-group is really a continuation of A-group Nubians. What is your opinion on this matter?
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Originally posted by ausar:
Thought,
Do you see A-group as a predessor of C-group? Most scholars know believe this to be true that C-group is really a continuation of A-group Nubians. What is your opinion on this matter?
Thought Writes:
I believe that the A-Group, the C-Group, Upper Nubians (Kerma) and Upper Egyptians derive from the Western Desert and Eastern Desert populations in the main. I believe that SOME A-Group Nubians were merged into Egypt by the end of the 1st Dynasty, while others probably merged with Nubians from the Wadi Shaw region to forum the C-Group.
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Originally posted by Amun:
Not to continue off topic but I once met a Palestinian girl whose face looked so much like the famous bust of Nefertiti it was scary. Nefertiti herself, possibly had some Palestinian ancestry. This beautiful lady had the same complexion, long neck, facial expression and all. She seemed to have some negroid ancestry. So much that she would likely be mistaken for a black American in the US.
Coral from the real world new york look like the bust too.
The nubians as far as I know where used by the Egyptians as troops. they were also said to be like egypt (as reported through several ancient writings) and outcroping of the ethiopians. I should add, though, that in the ancient world ethiopia was the name for all of Africa were Greek (called libyan) settlers had not gone. This is not a clear indication of place.