I am wondering how some somali talking badly about other africans while somalis themselves are africans. Somalis can never say that they are arabs. If you somalis are arabs, Why you don´t have same features like the arabs. Many somalis have the same features like Oromo, Borana, Rendille, Afar and other africans. I have seen many somalis who have nappy hairs. Majority of the somalis people have dark skins same like many africans those pictures you posted are evidence for those who don`t know about that. All people in the world knows the somalis were originated from Ethiopia and they are africans. If you don´t believe me that you somalis are africans ask some somalis who are/were working in rich countries in Middle East and who are/were living in Europe, Canada, America and Australia. You somalis don`t waste your time arabs are still calling you Cabid and racists in Europe, America, Canada and Australia are still calling you neger.
Posted by Israel (Member # 11221) on :
True. Somalians are Africans. We are all the same people. Somalians have dark-skinned people and light-skinned, just like Black Americans. We are all a part of Pan-Africa. Salaam
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
While I can't speak for all Somalis, I must say that not all Somalis act the way you say, but those who do don't do it for "racial" reasons so much as ethnic ones. Somalis are a very prideful people and some Somalis can be a little too prideful to a point where they can be chauvinistic about it, hence they can look down on other Africans (especially non-Muslims) and act high and mighty. But make no mistake, these Somalis who do this do NOT deny their black identity and African heritage as some of you seem to think! All Somalis aknowledge they are black and African and they are damn proud of it. While a Somali clan or two might claim Arab descent, no Somali would ever call himself or herself an Arab!!
The prideful chauvinist attitude seems to be typical of nomadic peoples in general, let alone those in Africa. Many of the groups you named like the Oromo and Afar act no different than the Somali when it comes to their fellow Africans. Even the Masai of Keny have been known to disparage their African neighbors, especially the Bantus.
But even then, the nomad peoples aren't the only ones to do this. I have met many West Africans who act the same way also. Many of the Nigerians I've talked to actually think of East Africans whether Sudanese or Somalis as being "barbarians"!
Posted by Supercar (Member # 6477) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
Many of the Nigerians I've talked to actually think of East Africans whether Sudanese or Somalis as being "barbarians"!
Interesting viewpoint from your Nigerian friends. I gather these are Nigerians who have come into contact with reasonable numbers of Somalis.
Posted by Israel (Member # 11221) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: While I can't speak for all Somalis, I must say that not all Somalis act the way you say, but those who do don't do it for "racial" reasons so much as ethnic ones. Somalis are a very prideful people and some Somalis can be a little too prideful to a point where they can be chauvinistic about it, hence they can look down on other Africans (especially non-Muslims) and act high and mighty. But make no mistake, these Somalis who do this do NOT deny their black identity and African heritage as some of you seem to think! All Somalis aknowledge they are black and African and they are damn proud of it. While a Somali clan or two might claim Arab descent, no Somali would ever call himself or herself an Arab!!
The prideful chauvinist attitude seems to be typical of nomadic peoples in general, let alone those in Africa. Many of the groups you named like the Oromo and Afar act no different than the Somali when it comes to their fellow Africans. Even the Masai of Keny have been known to disparage their African neighbors, especially the Bantus.
But even then, the nomad peoples aren't the only ones to do this. I have met many West Africans who act the same way also. Many of the Nigerians I've talked to actually think of East Africans whether Sudanese or Somalis as being "barbarians"!
True.......well, true when speaking of Nigerians. Don't know about other West Africans, but Nigerians can be quite arrogant people. Somalians are similar. And I do agree that it isn't racially but ethnic. For example, I was reading that during the mid-90's when the U.S. was in Somalia, and the whole "Black Hawk Down" stuff happened, al-Qieada went to Somalia to help the Somalians, but the Somalians STRONGLY rejected their help. They even surrounded an Al-Qieada garrison threatening them. So it is apparent that this is ethnic stuff, it isn't about anything else. I have met too many cool Somalians who are "down".....cool peoples. Salaam
Posted by Underpants Man (Member # 3735) on :
Ethnocentrism is a universal vice, it appears.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Supercar: Interesting viewpoint from your Nigerian friends. I gather these are Nigerians who have come into contact with reasonable numbers of Somalis.
Some have, but sadly their views stem mostly from what they know of Somali culture-- that it was nomadic.
Perhaps it is because of the old sedentary agriculturalists vs. nomadic pastoralists conflict, but some of them do tend to think of their West African culture as being more "refined" than East Africans, and again it's not just Somalis but all East Africans.
Some of them like to brag that their people had urban traditions i.e. building cities while East Africans did not. They even go so far as to say civilization in East Africa was only introduced by Arabs!
quote:Originally posted by Israel: True.......well, true when speaking of Nigerians. Don't know about other West Africans, but Nigerians can be quite arrogant people. Somalians are similar. And I do agree that it isn't racially but ethnic. For example, I was reading that during the mid-90's when the U.S. was in Somalia, and the whole "Black Hawk Down" stuff happened, al-Qieada went to Somalia to help the Somalians, but the Somalians STRONGLY rejected their help. They even surrounded an Al-Qieada garrison threatening them. So it is apparent that this is ethnic stuff, it isn't about anything else. I have met too many cool Somalians who are "down".....cool peoples. Salaam
Yes. What's funny is despite Taruma's claims, these same Somali who talk bad about other Africans also have a few choice words to say about Arabs!
But all in all, most of the Somalis I know are cool people also.
quote:Originally posted by Underpants Man: Ethnocentrism is a universal vice, it appears.
It sure is.
Remember, even white-Western racism actually started out as ethnocentrism.
Posted by Israel (Member # 11221) on :
I just remembered a story told to me by two friends of mine, one white, one black, and both were missionaries in Kenya. They so happened to be in the Somalian part of Kenya, and when the Somali Kenyans saw the white dude, they started to stone him! They were stoning him because he was white! The other guy, Black American, I believe he was there, and they didn't mess with him, but they stoned the white dude. Both of these guys are my friends, so this isn't made up stories, know what I mean?
Just remember, there is always a strategy of divide and conquer Taruma. In America, American Blacks and Caribbean Blacks have a good relationship, but then you got some accusing the other of being "different", and the other accusing the other about "laziness" or whatever! The point is that most people here know that A.A.'s and Caribbean Blacks are the same people. African-Americans know this, and so do Caribbean Blacks. I am sure it is the same type of stuff in EVERY CULTURE, including Africa.
Posted by Yonis (Member # 7684) on :
Taruma:
quote:I am wondering how some somali talking badly about other africans while somalis themselves are africans. Somalis can never say that they are arabs. If you somalis are arabs, Why you don´t have same features like the arabs. Many somalis have the same features like Oromo, Borana, Rendille, Afar and other africans .
Why are you singeling out Somalis, what about Ethiopians and Eritreans who are much worse than Somalis, and yes somalis are more related to those people you posted above than "arabs". btw there is no such thing as arab features since "arabs" are a group of different people who just share culture and language from lebanese to marrocons, and from Omanis to northern Sudanese, and since somalis dont speak arabic and dont have much of arabic culture then somalis are of course not arabs. We only share religion and some slight culture not much. But i agree there are some elements among somalis who would love to be closer to arabs than being africans, the poster "burhan" comes in mind.
Djehuti:
quote:Many of the Nigerians I've talked to actually think of East Africans whether Sudanese or Somalis as being "barbarians"!
I know alot of Nigerians here in sweden and i've never heard them think of Somalis or East Africans as barbarians, Nigerians/Gambians and somalis here get along very well, same in UK there is no problem between Ghanains/Nigerians and somalis, its only the UK carribeans such as Jamaicans who hate somalis and somalis hate them too.
Posted by sara_uk (Member # 11454) on :
quote:Originally posted by Yonis: ]Why are you singeling out Somalis, what about Ethiopians and Eritreans who are much worse than Somalis,
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What a stupid remark!!! Why people generalising and stereotyping?? What is your problem with Ethiopian or Eritrean?? i happen to be Eritrean
Posted by Yonis (Member # 7684) on :
Just because you happen to be Eritrean doesnt make this less true, you cant deny that alot of Eritreans/Ethiopians look down on other Africans, especially the habesha, these are facts no speculation, habesha are racist as hell. I don't know why people never talk about them its always "somalis want to be arab, bla bla, yada yada", while ignoring the worst nazis in black africa, i bet its because they are christians. It wasn't somalis or sudanese who sold out while europeans where destroying the continent,damn hypocrits.
Posted by sara_uk (Member # 11454) on :
quote:Originally posted by Yonis: Just because you happen to be Eritrean doesnt make this less true, you cant deny that alot of Eritreans/Ethiopians look down on other Africans, especially the habesha, these are facts no speculation, habesha are racist as hell. I don't know why people never talk about them its always "somalis want to be arab, bla bla, yada yada" while ignoring the worst nazis in black africa, i bet its because they are christians. It wasn't somalis or sudanese who sold out while europeans where destroying the continent,damn hypocrits.
The fact is you still generalising and stereo typing?? These people are this and that. Everyone is not the same. In fact in Eritrea there are 9 tribes and people will have alot of problem marrying from another tribe. you see these stereotyping will not help anything, people are different, you can't say all Eritrean is this or the other it is very stupid to generalise. if you see my reply I was not angry about the statement you wrote against us but the generalisation.
Posted by Yom (Member # 11256) on :
quote:Originally posted by Yonis: Just because you happen to be Eritrean doesnt make this less true, you cant deny that alot of Eritreans/Ethiopians look down on other Africans, especially the habesha, these are facts no speculation, habesha are racist as hell. I don't know why people never talk about them its always "somalis want to be arab, bla bla, yada yada", while ignoring the worst nazis in black africa, i bet its because they are christians. It wasn't somalis or sudanese who sold out while europeans where destroying the continent,damn hypocrits.
They target Somalia and Sudan because Sudanese consider themselves Arab and Somalia joined the Arab League to distance itself from Black Africa. You blame Ethiopia, but I don't see Somalia donating any land to the diaspora (Shashamene) or involving itself in Pan-African affairs (OAU, AU). I don't have a problem acknowledging that many are racist, but what do you mean "worst nazis in black africa?" Don't insult my people. You claim to have nothing against us but call us sell-outs? Bullshit. Sell-outs to whom? We don't owe anybody anything. What, do you expect us to try and save every other people from colonization as if that's even feasible? Get yourself another scapegoat because Habeshas have no obligation to be your Captain Save-a-Ho.
Posted by nur][_][ (Member # 10191) on :
quote:
Some of them like to brag that their people had urban traditions i.e. building cities while East Africans did not. They even go so far as to say civilization in East Africa was only introduced by Arabs!
Where would they get such an idea? Mentalities like that keep africa behind...(applies to all of africa)
Posted by Yonis (Member # 7684) on :
YOM:
quote:Somalia joined the Arab League to distance itself from Black Africa.
How do you distance yourself from yourself by joining a useless organization? Somalis didn't join the arab leauge it was one man who joined it and dragged us all along, as if we had a say on the matter.And i'm quite sure Ethiopia would have joined the arab league also if it wasnt the case that it took orders and guidence from the west, and disliked by arab countries.
quote:You blame Ethiopia, but I don't see Somalia donating any land to the diaspora (Shashamene) or involving itself in Pan-African affairs (OAU, AU)
What the hell is the "AU"?? A congregation of incompetent bloodsucking "leaders" who once every year gather so to discuss how best they can further exploite their population while at the same time catering for western interess, i wouldn't be proud about its headquarter positioned in Ethiopia if i was you.
quote:You claim to have nothing against us but call us sell-outs? Bullshit. Sell-outs to whom? We don't owe anybody anything. What, do you expect us to try and save every other people from colonization as if that's even feasible? Get yourself another scapegoat because Habeshas have no obligation to be your Captain Save-a-Ho.
Whoa, whoa relax, lmao, no one has ever claimed that Ethiopian should "save every other people from colonization" don't flattter yourself, I was talking about participating in the Berlin conferance,lol I would be surprised if you even could had saved yourself from colonization if it wasn't for the fact that you got immunity Maybe the Jamaican rastafaris high on ganja might see you as un-conquarable "gods of zion", but you cant fool the rest of us sane people.
Btw here is what a British had to say about Ethiopian "bravery", in the bottom part of this text.
Posted by herukhuti (Member # 11484) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Some have, but sadly their views stem mostly from what they know of Somali culture-- that it was nomadic.
Perhaps it is because of the old sedentary agriculturalists vs. nomadic pastoralists conflict, but some of them do tend to think of their West African culture as being more "refined" than East Africans, and again it's not just Somalis but all East Africans.
Some of them like to brag that their people had urban traditions i.e. building cities while East Africans did not. They even go so far as to say civilization in East Africa was only introduced by Arabs!
Djehuti this is absolute rubbish. Pure biased BS. I am a Nigerian and I know this IS NOT TRUE. Most Nigerians are not even aware of the details of East African culture to be able to make a judegement of it. SOME Nigerians who have left the borders of Nigeria to embrace the international community do have some negative viewpoints about East Africans (and vice versa) but those that you have mentioned are either untrue or insignificant. Most Nigerians do not believe East Africa was civilised by Arabs, they only believe there is a STRONG Arab presence in North Africa. In fact, most Nigerians view East Africa as they view other West African or South African countries.
Posted by Yom (Member # 11256) on :
quote:Originally posted by Yonis: How do you distance yourself from yourself by joining a useless organization? Somalis didn't join the arab leauge it was one man who joined it and dragged us all along, as if we had a say on the matter.And i'm quite sure Ethiopia would have joined the arab league also if it wasnt the case that it took orders and guidence from the west, and disliked by arab countries.
Whether or not its useless, the gesture is there nevertheless. Ethiopia did have an opportunity to join, at least as an observing member (which it did not take, though Eritrea did).
quote:What the hell is the "AU"?? A congregation of incompetent bloodsucking "leaders" who once every year gather so to discuss how best they can further exploite their population while at the same time catering for western interess, i wouldn't be proud about its headquarter positioned in Ethiopia if i was you.
Call it whatever you want, at least it makes an attempt at African Unity.
quote:Whoa, whoa relax, lmao, no one has ever claimed that Ethiopian should "save every other people from colonization" don't flattter yourself, I was talking about participating in the Berlin conferance,lol I would be surprised if you even could had saved yourself from colonization if it wasn't for the fact that you got immunity Maybe the Jamaican rastafaris high on ganja might see you as un-conquarable "gods of zion", but you cant fool the rest of us sane people.
I know what you said:
while ignoring the worst nazis in black africa, i bet its because they are christians. It wasn't somalis or sudanese who sold out while europeans where destroying the continent,damn hypocrits.
Ras Alula in the Berlin conference isn't "selling out," any more than establishing diplomatic relations with Europeans are. Do you even have evidence of this? I think you're mistaking the Berlin Conference with the Hewett Treaty with Britain that Alula negotiated on Yohannes's behalf, because Haggai Erlich's "Ras Alula and the Scramble for Africa" doesn't have a single word on the event, while it would be pretty significant for the level of detail he goes into for the novel (and it's not simply a hagiography but points out all details). You're using the same Captain Save-a-Ho mentality again, anyway. Was Ethiopia not entitled to attend such a conference? What did it owe to Somalia that attending the conference would be "selling out"? And do you even know what the general conference (not the treaties between specific European powers) established?
quote: Btw here is what a British had to say about Ethiopian "bravery", in the bottom part of this text.
And? Do you believe what ever anyone says? That quotation means nothing to me. I could care less what some "Robert Hess" thinks. Would it mean anything to you if some random person said the Somalis were cowards? It's interesting that you choose bravery to attack, since that's a trait that Ethiopians are particularly known for.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
See, this mess was exactly what I was afraid of!!
Whenever someone says something negative about a certain ethnic group, all hell breaks loose!!
After all the exchanges so far who else will join this skirmish, Jamaicans?!
Yonis is right about his people (Somalis) always singled out as being the ones who are prejudice to other Africans. Although he IS wrong for making generalist remarks and calling all Habeshas "Nazis of black Africa"!!
Yom, as wrong as Yonis is for some things let's not get carried away and turn this into another Ethiopia vs. Somalia thread again!
Sara_uk, you are correct that the root of the problem here is making generalizations and stereotypes about people! Taruma started the whole thing with making her ridiculously absurd comments about Somalis claiming to be Arabs!!
Herukhuti, if you noticed I never generalized but said only some of my Nigerian friends carry these inaccurate and plain wrong views on East Africans. Actually if you take into account the total number of Nigerians I know only a few hold such biased notions. You even said it yourself that there are SOME Nigerians who hold such notions!!
People, people, I think the main lesson to be learned from all this is that there are always going to be ignorant peoples in EVERY group no matter if they were from Somalia, Ethiopia, Nigeria, or whether or not they are African at all!!
Get over it!!
Posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE (Member # 11724) on :
quote:Originally posted by Taruma: I am wondering how some somali talking badly about other africans while somalis themselves are africans.
yawnn it's always the same old garbage it's like a white person who was robbed by a black person calling all black people thiefs
how many times have i heard stories from somalis were there being told by afro-carribeans they are not africans because of their phenotype yet i don't see them coming to an egyptian forum complaining about it, this is just an excuse to bash my people nothing more nothing less
quote:Somalis can never say that they are arabs.
listen you don't own somalis and somalis don't owe you sh1t,if some want call themself marsians then they have the right to do so
quote:If you somalis are arabs, Why you don´t have same features like the arabs. Many somalis have the same features like Oromo, Borana, Rendille, Afar and other africans. I have seen many somalis who have nappy hairs. Majority of the somalis people have dark skins same like many africans those pictures you posted are evidence for those who don`t know about that. All people in the world knows the somalis were originated from Ethiopia and they are africans. If you don´t believe me that you somalis are africans ask some somalis who are/were working in rich countries in Middle East
somalis are doing fine in arab countries like Dubai,Qatar,Saudi Arabia and somali companies are making top dollar
quote:and who are/were living in Europe, Canada, America and Australia. You somalis don`t waste your time arabs are still calling you Cabid
there are some who do evendo we were never their cabid but somalis have their own slurs towards those kind of arabs
but the majority love us wether you like it or not
quote:and racists in Europe, America, Canada and Australia are still calling you neger. [/QB]
true i've been called n!gger a few times in my life
but thank god it's stays with words
what about the treatment my people are getting in south africa just because there competition
quote:Besides frequent attacks and armed robberies this year, Somalis have been murdered in Cape Town, Stellenbosch, Mossel Bay, Plettenberg Bay, Swellendam and Port Elizabeth.
quote:"Somalis don't make the effort to integrate or make friends like other Africans, which makes them more misunderstood.
so the chinese people wether there in the US or the UK should be attacked because they stick with their own people and isolate themselves and at the same time expand their businesess?
somalis never treated south africans during apartheid like that
my uncle married a south african woman because he admired her beauty but i don't have Ill feelings towards south africans cause there are thugz in every society
people claim all type of stuff like somalis wanted to distance themselves from africa when they joined the arab league
they came to us and if i look back at it my country exploited them to the fullest, cheap oil is very handy indeed
but would somalia help central african republic rebels with logistics during the bokassa era if they hated africans?
would somali soldiers train burundi soldiers if they hated them?
would somalia puts all it's effort in securing a peacedeal between Tanzania and Uganda who were on the brink of war if they hated them?
peacedeal was signed and nobody got hurt
somalia helped eritrea with military aid and other logistics when it was fighting for it's independance when no other african country in africa gave a sh1t and the current president Afwerki was a resident of mogadishu and many times thanked somali people for the help he received from us
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:But even then, the nomad peoples aren't the only ones to do this. I have met many West Africans who act the same way also. Many of the Nigerians I've talked to actually think of East Africans whether Sudanese or Somalis as being "barbarians"!
fabricated stories like this iritate me forreal yo this is the second time i read a comment like this, i have 2 homies who come from nigeria who don't even share my religion at the first day of college they came up to me and introduced themselves and i still hang with them and i've been to nigerian weddings many times and i was treated like a nigerian and i only heard good things about my people coming from them
so i see your comments as a way to try to fuell hate between africans, and it iritates me because your not even an african as you have stated many times on this board
my ancestors were nomads and i'm very proud of my heritage somalis were also powerfull traders who traded their goods to far away lands, there are whole sections in the libraries of damascus and other arab libraries of ancient somali poets who were recognised as great poets and somalia was called the land of the poets, there are somali shaykhs who have large followings like in Tanzania the largest muslim brotherhood has a somali origin and was introduced by Shaykh Uways bin Muhammad, and shaykh Uthman wrote the only authorative texts on a muslim school of law 1300 years ago wich is still in use today
quote:Originally posted by Yom: What, do you expect us to try and save every other people from colonization as if that's even feasible?
but you had no problems aiding the europeans and indians with 10 thousand soldiers when they were getting slaughtered by another african group who were fighting to preserve their independance
and it's not the somalis who have genocide and millions of innocent oromo blood on their hands you just remember that
i just want to say to the members or guests on this forum who have Ill feelings towards my people and are now using the ''old why do somalis think there arabs b.s'' go see a shrink cause you got mayor issue's
don't think i'm going to diss arabs who never showed dislike to me or my people when i was in places like abu dhabi or Saudi arabia just so your satisfied, i don't need your recognistion
to those who don't have these pathetic feelings towards my peeps i got one tip don't put expectations on my people not all somalis have the same mentality and you will encounter some bigots but the majority is cool
Posted by herukhuti (Member # 11484) on :
quote:Originally posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:But even then, the nomad peoples aren't the only ones to do this. I have met many West Africans who act the same way also. Many of the Nigerians I've talked to actually think of East Africans whether Sudanese or Somalis as being "barbarians"!
fabricated stories like this iritate me forreal yo this is the second time i read a comment like this, i have 2 homies who come from nigeria who don't even share my religion at the first day of college they came up to me and introduced themselves and i still hang with them and i've been to nigerian weddings many times and i was treated like a nigerian and i only heard good things about my people coming from them
That's the truth right there. As a matter of fact, in the UK I've been with a few Somalian & Eritrean honeys, man, those girls are hot! I bet the Ancient Egyptian women must have looked like that. I'm currently seeing an Ethiopian chick. I've never had a girl with so much skills
There's nothing but love between Nigerians and Somalians. There's ignorant people around but they're a minority.
Posted by sara_uk (Member # 11454) on :
All these generalisation just bring hate and divisions. There is bad and good in every nation. So calm down people do not point fingers at nations, everyone is different. I like Somalis I think they are cool and most of them proud of their origin. I have seen so many Eritrean lose their mother tongue when they grow up in Arab country or in the west whereas I saw most Somalian kept their language even if they were born in foreign land. Society can affect our opinion or views so you end up with certain stereotyping but for people who been exposed to different cultures you can easily get rid of these stereotyping or discrimination.
Posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE (Member # 11724) on :
yonis iska daaf dadkan sxb wa dad walan markasta somali this somali that wax kale ka hadlan ma heestan
ooy somalika ku bilaaweyn marki arageen cadaanka iyo carabka somalika jecladeen hadda been na la imadeen carabka war fiican qiliiya somalika ka heestan cabid ma no sheegan wa been waxii yaga rabaan anaga carabka iyo cadaanka ceey ku bilawnaa cajiib
ka fog dadkan sxb jahiilnimokoodu gacan ban uu tagey
Posted by herukhuti (Member # 11484) on :
sara_uk, your name suggests you live in the UK. Are you a londoner? Holler at me
Maybe we can meet up for a drink or something and chat about Egypt Posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE (Member # 11724) on :
playa herukhuti ina sonkie does work like magic on nigerian beauties play on sxb
i got nothing but love for africans but i don't like stereotyping or generalisations of a whole nation like sara said before me
and sara_uk i received nothing but love from your people so big up to eritreans and those i know speak mutliple languages together with their own language
Posted by herukhuti (Member # 11484) on :
quote:Originally posted by herukhuti: sara_uk, your name suggests you live in the UK. Are you a londoner? Holler at me
Maybe we can meet up for a drink or something and chat about Egypt
I didn't mention I have an '06 Audi Cabriolet... we can cruise thru the city, doing above 60 Posted by sara_uk (Member # 11454) on :
quote:Originally posted by herukhuti:
quote:Originally posted by herukhuti: sara_uk, your name suggests you live in the UK. Are you a londoner? Holler at me
Maybe we can meet up for a drink or something and chat about Egypt
I didn't mention I have an '06 Audi Cabriolet... we can cruise thru the city, doing above 60
lol you are funny. yes i live in london, if you have not noticed it is a public forum Posted by Yom (Member # 11256) on :
quote:Originally posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE: but you had no problems aiding the europeans and indians with 10 thousand soldiers when they were getting slaughtered by another african group who were fighting to preserve their independance
Again, did we owe it to Sudan to help them? The Hewett treaty was to recover Mitsiwa and affirm Bogos's position in Ethiopia again, after a 5 or so year Egyptian occupation. Ethiopia didn't owe the Mahdi (with Yohannis being a very devoted Christian, there were especially no reasons to support him) anything any more than we owed the British help.
quote:and it's not the somalis who have genocide and millions of innocent oromo blood on their hands you just remember that
What genocide. There was slavery throughout the ages, espcially in the late 19th century, that often included Oromos, but no genocide. And mind you, the slavery that we're talking about didn't target Oromos at all, but more the Southwestern areas like Kefa, Welamo, etc., though more northerly groups like the Oromo and Gurage were often enslaved as well; the biggest slave trader of the 19th century was the Oromo Abba Jifar.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:But even then, the nomad peoples aren't the only ones to do this. I have met many West Africans who act the same way also. Many of the Nigerians I've talked to actually think of East Africans whether Sudanese or Somalis as being "barbarians"!
fabricated stories like this iritate me forreal yo this is the second time i read a comment like this, i have 2 homies who come from nigeria who don't even share my religion at the first day of college they came up to me and introduced themselves and i still hang with them and i've been to nigerian weddings many times and i was treated like a nigerian and i only heard good things about my people coming from them
so i see your comments as a way to try to fuell hate between africans, and it iritates me because your not even an african as you have stated many times on this board
my ancestors were nomads and i'm very proud of my heritage somalis were also powerfull traders who traded their goods to far away lands, there are whole sections in the libraries of damascus and other arab libraries of ancient somali poets who were recognised as great poets and somalia was called the land of the poets, there are somali shaykhs who have large followings like in Tanzania the largest muslim brotherhood has a somali origin and was introduced by Shaykh Uways bin Muhammad, and shaykh Uthman wrote the only authorative texts on a muslim school of law 1300 years ago wich is still in use today
Okay, I suggest you read ALL of what someone posted before you attack them blindly.
I NEVER said all Nigerians the Nigerians I've talked to or know felt this way!
Most of the Nigerians I see get along fine with Somalis or other Africans in general as they get along with Asians and whites and everyone else.
I am ABSOLUTELY NOT trying to cause any division or hatred between Africans, in fact I'm trying to do the opposite since that what I find myself doing on this forum so often!!
Here's a lesson that applies to you not just in this forum but in real life LOOK BEFORE YOU SPEAK.
I believe the whole thing against Somalis was started by Taruma, speaking of which where is she??! Funny, how she hasn't responded to any of our replies concerning her allegations.
Posted by Reid (Member # 11536) on :
Posted by Reid (Member # 11536) on :
Mullah Take this from a Afro Carribbean. Somalis are cool people. I respect Somalis as much as I respect any other African people. Just because Somalia joined the Arab League does not change my mind about Somali people. In my neck of the woods the Somalis are hard working Brothas and Sistahs they give to their country like no other diaspora. I don't know what Djehuti was talking about with the Nigerians but I don't think that is correct. The Nigerians that I have met say good things about East Africans people. I admit that some Nigerians are ignorant but the ones I have met seem to respect Somalis and East Africa in general. So let me be the first to say that not all Afro caribbean people have ill feelings toward Somalis.
Posted by Reid (Member # 11536) on :
Mullah Take this from a Afro Carribbean. Somalis are cool people. I respect Somalis as much as I respect any other African people. Just because Somalia joined the Arab League does not change my mind about Somali people. In my neck of the woods the Somalis are hard working Brothas and Sistahs they give to their country like no other diaspora. I don't know what Djehuti was talking about with the Nigerians but I don't think that is correct. The Nigerians that I have met say good things about East Africans people. I admit that some Nigerians are ignorant but the ones I have met seem to respect Somalis and East Africa in general. So let me be the first to say that not all Afro caribbean people have ill feelings toward Somalis.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reid: I admit that some Nigerians are ignorant but the ones I have met seem to respect Somalis and East Africa in general. So let me be the first to say that not all Afro caribbean people have ill feelings toward Somalis.
So then you agree that there are ignorant folks in every lot.(?)
Even Mullah has stated that there are some Afro-caribbeans who are ignorant enough to think Somalis were not really African because of certain features. Just as YOU, as I recall, once went with the now popular view of ancient Egyptians being a "mixed-race" people because of certain features they had.
Hopefully all ignorance is corrected.
Good. Moving on...
Posted by Israel (Member # 11221) on :
Heru, Mullah, Sara, Reid, Yonis, Yom, etc.
Whats happening? Alright, I too am of Caribbean origin, and lets squash all the divisions. I have met cool Somalians. Many cool Somalians. Whether someone is from Eriteria or Zambia, we are all Africans.......notice I said "we", even though I am of the diaspora. Salaam
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^^How about we take it a step further and squash this thread altogether!
It seems this Taruma has sparked a small fire of ignorance and all the rest of you have been fanning the flames! She put the bait and all the rest of you went into a frenzy!
You have already given your responses about her absurd charges against Somalis. I suggest that this be the end of it already! Kaput!!
Posted by Hotep2u (Member # 9820) on :
Greetings:
I think Somalis are mostly BRAINWASHED Arab wannabes that's why they are apart of the Arab League because they want to be amongst their Arab Masters.
Somalia is an embarrassment to Afrika in my opinion. I say this because the IMF describes Somalia as a FAILED STATE, Kenya has deported and banned Somalis from entering Kenya due to Kenya's government recognizing that Somalis have created problems in their own country.
Ethiopia is now pointing to the lack of Government in Somalia that warrants Ethiopia protecting itself by securing its Borders. South Afrikans are showing resentment to Somalis, which PROVES that Somalis have a CULTURAL problem. All these Nations can't be all wrong folks; Somalis aren't the easiest groups of Afrikans to get along with.
Somalia has been a Independent country for over 40 years and look at Somalia today it is worse off today than it was 40 years ago, don't tell me that Somalis aren't to blame for the failure we see in Somalia today.
Somalis today are enjoying the fruits of the hard work of other Afrikans, for example: in South Afrika, Apartheid was a major problem for Afrikan people, just imagine all the suffering the Afrikans endured in South Afrika and today these Afrikans are finally positioning themselves to reap the fruits of their long and bloody battle against Apartheid RACISM, yet we see Somalis immigrating to South Afrika forming their own communities in South Afrika and separating themselves from the victims of Apartheid, who suffered under one form of separation only to see Somalis coming to reap also for what they did NOT struggle to obtain.
This is NOT fair to Afrikans in South Afrika, Somalis FAILED to build and develop Somalia so they should not be allowed to immigrate to South Afrika and obtain the benefits of what Afrikans died to secure for their children in South Afrika. America is the same Afrikan Americans gave their lives for these opportunities that some Somalis are getting here in America today, and just like in South Afrika I see Somalis here practicing their arrogance and looking down on Afrikans who were victims of brutal oppression.
Somalis uphold Islamic values not Afrikan values so they should ONLY immigrate to Arab countries or be RESPONSIBLE enough to build and develop Somalia in a peaceful manner. Somalis uphold their Islamic influenced culture that has FAILED them though they will never learn this because Somalis are continually being sheltered from dealing with the consequences of Somalis own failure. Immigration, Asylum seekers and U.N aid agencies have been very generous to Somalia this needs to stop in my opinion because TOUGH LOVE is needed towards Somalia.
Somalia is an INDEPENDENT country so Somalis need to learn that they have what a lot of oppressed Afrikans can only dream of which is a Nation where they can come together and work with each other in order to build a peaceful future for your children. Somalia as failed to do this, so they prove themselves to be incapable of dealing with Independence, which is an embarrassment to Afrikans. Afrikans who have been victims of oppression usually don’t get along with Afrikans who practice isolationist cultures especially if the cultures promotes extreme tribalism as we see in Somalia, so as a result Somalis need to stay in Somalia or immigrate to ARAB countries, so they can be amongst those who practice behaviors that are similar to theirs, places like America, South Afrika, Caribbean and Europe don’t practice these types of cultural behaviors so Somalis are destined to find conflict with Afrikans who live or immigrate from these areas, now I know Somalis are nice people though their culture just does NOT agree with many Afrikan people. Afrikan cultural practices and Islamic cultural practices are fundamentally different so Somalis are not going to get along with a lot of Afrikans period.
Hotep
Posted by herukhuti (Member # 11484) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by Reid: I admit that some Nigerians are ignorant but the ones I have met seem to respect Somalis and East Africa in general. So let me be the first to say that not all Afro caribbean people have ill feelings toward Somalis.
So then you agree that there are ignorant folks in every lot.(?)
Even Mullah has stated that there are some Afro-caribbeans who are ignorant enough to think Somalis were not really African because of certain features. Just as YOU, as I recall, once went with the now popular view of ancient Egyptians being a "mixed-race" people because of certain features they had.
Hopefully all ignorance is corrected.
Good. Moving on...
Guys, I do get Djehuti's point. There are "localised" beefs between Africans/Black people in general. I think we all know this anyway. Interestingly, there is an ongoing war between the "Black Boys" and "Somalians" in Woolwich (South-East London, UK). Many years ago when I was 18, I was approached by a Somalian dude with a knife asking me if I was one of the "Black Boys" LOL He didn't even know he was Black. This group of so-called "Black Boys" actually consist of Nigerians, Jamaicans, other West Indians etc. Because most of the Black Americans and West Indians come from countries like Nigeria, Ghana etc a few people are confused as to the race of certain "types" of Africans (like Somalians & Ethiopians).
I think the problem here is that we're misunderstanding each other. We're all basically saying the same thing.
Hotep.
Posted by herukhuti (Member # 11484) on :
quote:Originally posted by Hotep2u: Greetings:
I think Somalis are mostly BRAINWASHED Arab wannabes that's why they are apart of the Arab League because they want to be amongst their Arab Masters.
Somalia is an embarrassment to Afrika in my opinion. I say this because the IMF describes Somalia as a FAILED STATE, Kenya has deported and banned Somalis from entering Kenya due to Kenya's government recognizing that Somalis have created problems in their own country.
Ethiopia is now pointing to the lack of Government in Somalia that warrants Ethiopia protecting itself by securing its Borders. South Afrikans are showing resentment to Somalis, which PROVES that Somalis have a CULTURAL problem. All these Nations can't be all wrong folks; Somalis aren't the easiest groups of Afrikans to get along with.
Somalia has been a Independent country for over 40 years and look at Somalia today it is worse off today than it was 40 years ago, don't tell me that Somalis aren't to blame for the failure we see in Somalia today.
Somalis today are enjoying the fruits of the hard work of other Afrikans, for example: in South Afrika, Apartheid was a major problem for Afrikan people, just imagine all the suffering the Afrikans endured in South Afrika and today these Afrikans are finally positioning themselves to reap the fruits of their long and bloody battle against Apartheid RACISM, yet we see Somalis immigrating to South Afrika forming their own communities in South Afrika and separating themselves from the victims of Apartheid, who suffered under one form of separation only to see Somalis coming to reap also for what they did NOT struggle to obtain.
This is NOT fair to Afrikans in South Afrika, Somalis FAILED to build and develop Somalia so they should not be allowed to immigrate to South Afrika and obtain the benefits of what Afrikans died to secure for their children in South Afrika. America is the same Afrikan Americans gave their lives for these opportunities that some Somalis are getting here in America today, and just like in South Afrika I see Somalis here practicing their arrogance and looking down on Afrikans who were victims of brutal oppression.
Somalis uphold Islamic values not Afrikan values so they should ONLY immigrate to Arab countries or be RESPONSIBLE enough to build and develop Somalia in a peaceful manner. Somalis uphold their Islamic influenced culture that has FAILED them though they will never learn this because Somalis are continually being sheltered from dealing with the consequences of Somalis own failure. Immigration, Asylum seekers and U.N aid agencies have been very generous to Somalia this needs to stop in my opinion because TOUGH LOVE is needed towards Somalia.
Somalia is an INDEPENDENT country so Somalis need to learn that they have what a lot of oppressed Afrikans can only dream of which is a Nation where they can come together and work with each other in order to build a peaceful future for your children. Somalia as failed to do this, so they prove themselves to be incapable of dealing with Independence, which is an embarrassment to Afrikans. Afrikans who have been victims of oppression usually don’t get along with Afrikans who practice isolationist cultures especially if the cultures promotes extreme tribalism as we see in Somalia, so as a result Somalis need to stay in Somalia or immigrate to ARAB countries, so they can be amongst those who practice behaviors that are similar to theirs, places like America, South Afrika, Caribbean and Europe don’t practice these types of cultural behaviors so Somalis are destined to find conflict with Afrikans who live or immigrate from these areas, now I know Somalis are nice people though their culture just does NOT agree with many Afrikan people. Afrikan cultural practices and Islamic cultural practices are fundamentally different so Somalis are not going to get along with a lot of Afrikans period.
Hotep
Dude, I think this applies to all Africans. We're all brainwashed. Nigeria is also worse off that it was 46 years ago at its independence.
There is a pattern which suggests a "design" by Africa's masters (did you think we were REALLY free?). It doesn't help to single out Somalia.
Posted by Doug M (Member # 7650) on :
quote:Originally posted by Hotep2u: Greetings:
I think Somalis are mostly BRAINWASHED Arab wannabes that's why they are apart of the Arab League because they want to be amongst their Arab Masters.
Somalia is an embarrassment to Afrika in my opinion. I say this because the IMF describes Somalia as a FAILED STATE, Kenya has deported and banned Somalis from entering Kenya due to Kenya's government recognizing that Somalis have created problems in their own country.
Ethiopia is now pointing to the lack of Government in Somalia that warrants Ethiopia protecting itself by securing its Borders. South Afrikans are showing resentment to Somalis, which PROVES that Somalis have a CULTURAL problem. All these Nations can't be all wrong folks; Somalis aren't the easiest groups of Afrikans to get along with.
Somalia has been a Independent country for over 40 years and look at Somalia today it is worse off today than it was 40 years ago, don't tell me that Somalis aren't to blame for the failure we see in Somalia today.
Somalis today are enjoying the fruits of the hard work of other Afrikans, for example: in South Afrika, Apartheid was a major problem for Afrikan people, just imagine all the suffering the Afrikans endured in South Afrika and today these Afrikans are finally positioning themselves to reap the fruits of their long and bloody battle against Apartheid RACISM, yet we see Somalis immigrating to South Afrika forming their own communities in South Afrika and separating themselves from the victims of Apartheid, who suffered under one form of separation only to see Somalis coming to reap also for what they did NOT struggle to obtain.
This is NOT fair to Afrikans in South Afrika, Somalis FAILED to build and develop Somalia so they should not be allowed to immigrate to South Afrika and obtain the benefits of what Afrikans died to secure for their children in South Afrika. America is the same Afrikan Americans gave their lives for these opportunities that some Somalis are getting here in America today, and just like in South Afrika I see Somalis here practicing their arrogance and looking down on Afrikans who were victims of brutal oppression.
Somalis uphold Islamic values not Afrikan values so they should ONLY immigrate to Arab countries or be RESPONSIBLE enough to build and develop Somalia in a peaceful manner. Somalis uphold their Islamic influenced culture that has FAILED them though they will never learn this because Somalis are continually being sheltered from dealing with the consequences of Somalis own failure. Immigration, Asylum seekers and U.N aid agencies have been very generous to Somalia this needs to stop in my opinion because TOUGH LOVE is needed towards Somalia.
Somalia is an INDEPENDENT country so Somalis need to learn that they have what a lot of oppressed Afrikans can only dream of which is a Nation where they can come together and work with each other in order to build a peaceful future for your children. Somalia as failed to do this, so they prove themselves to be incapable of dealing with Independence, which is an embarrassment to Afrikans. Afrikans who have been victims of oppression usually don’t get along with Afrikans who practice isolationist cultures especially if the cultures promotes extreme tribalism as we see in Somalia, so as a result Somalis need to stay in Somalia or immigrate to ARAB countries, so they can be amongst those who practice behaviors that are similar to theirs, places like America, South Afrika, Caribbean and Europe don’t practice these types of cultural behaviors so Somalis are destined to find conflict with Afrikans who live or immigrate from these areas, now I know Somalis are nice people though their culture just does NOT agree with many Afrikan people. Afrikan cultural practices and Islamic cultural practices are fundamentally different so Somalis are not going to get along with a lot of Afrikans period.
Hotep
I agree Hotep that Somalia is a FAILED state. However, WHY is it a failed state? That is the question, just like with many OTHER African countries. And black South Africans are NOT reaping ANYTHING in South AFrica. Black South Africans STILL mostly live in POVERTY and Whites STILL control MOST of the money and the economy. The REASON Somalia is a failed state has as much to do with COLD WAR politics as it has to do with the Somalis themselves. Somalia is a STRATEGIC country that sits next to the entrance of the Gulf of Aden and therefore has been important for Military and Economic reasons.
For the last 40 years the various rebellions, coups and other struggles have been supported by Western and other governments who are trying to keep Somalia under control in one way or another. Even now, in the current struggle, we often hear about US backed factions in Somalia. How is that? I thought the U.S. pulled out of Somalia after Mogadishu? But in reality the U.S. has ALWAYS been DEEPLY involved in Somali politics and warfare from supporting Said Barre to even having Mohammed Farrah Aidid's son as a member of the US MARINES when they INVADED SOMALIA.
This as well as other reasons is why Somalis are SO CONFUSED.
Posted by Supercar (Member # 6477) on :
quote:Originally posted by herukhuti:
Dude, I think this applies to all Africans. We're all brainwashed. Nigeria is also worse off that it was 46 years ago at its independence.
Care to elaborate on how "we" are all brainwashed.
Posted by herukhuti (Member # 11484) on :
quote:Originally posted by Supercar:
quote:Originally posted by herukhuti:
Dude, I think this applies to all Africans. We're all brainwashed. Nigeria is also worse off that it was 46 years ago at its independence.
Care to elaborate on how "we" are all brainwashed.
What I mean is this: thousands of years ago, before the invasion(s) of Africa, people knew who they were, their history e.t.c
However, foreign conquest changed all that. Africans in the recent past have generally recieved their knowledge from Europeans & Arabs who aren't often honest. This also applies to the diaspora. The fact that we are here trying to find pieces of the puzzle is testament to the fact that we've been brainwashed/re-programmed. It is now up to us uninstall the "buggy software" and try to connect the "real" past with our present situation. Without this "enlightenment", we will keep stumbling as we walk into the future.
Posted by Supercar (Member # 6477) on :
quote:Originally posted by herukhuti:
What I mean is this: thousands of years ago, before the invasion(s) of Africa, people knew who they were, their history e.t.c
However, foreign conquest changed all that. Africans in the recent past have generally recieved their knowledge from Europeans & Arabs who aren't often honest. This also applies to the diaspora. The fact that we are here trying to find pieces of the puzzle is testament to the fact that we've been brainwashed/re-programmed.
Don't know how it is where you come from, but my people still pass tales about their history, and what they are about through oral traditions, that have thus far stood the test of time, even with the invention of more sophisticated tools of record keeping, namely writing. Traditions spanning many generations, still persist amongst many African communities. Sure "globalization" is changing social attitudes to varying degrees amongst African communities, but the same is true for just about any non-isolated human society today.
quote:herukhuti:
It is now up to us uninstall the "buggy software" and try to connect the "real" past with our present situation. Without this "enlightenment", we will keep stumbling as we walk into the future.
I doubt that many Africans have forgotten their "real" past, save for a few. IMO, what Africans need, is effective mobilization of ordinary Africans [who live in a different conscious planet from much the African ruling bourgeois] through organized political consciousness and unity which transcends ethnic jingoism, and centers on universal social aspirations. Then again, ordinary folks around the globe face a similar challenge, regardless of relative differences in socio-economic conditions.
Posted by herukhuti (Member # 11484) on :
quote:Originally posted by Supercar:
quote:Originally posted by herukhuti:
What I mean is this: thousands of years ago, before the invasion(s) of Africa, people knew who they were, their history e.t.c
However, foreign conquest changed all that. Africans in the recent past have generally recieved their knowledge from Europeans & Arabs who aren't often honest. This also applies to the diaspora. The fact that we are here trying to find pieces of the puzzle is testament to the fact that we've been brainwashed/re-programmed.
Don't know how it is where you come from, but my people still pass tales about their history, and what they are about through oral traditions, that have thus far stood the test of time, even with the invention of more sophisticated tools of record keeping, namely writing. Traditions spanning many generations, still persist amongst many African communities. Sure "globalization" is changing social attitudes to varying degrees amongst African communities, but the same is true for just about any non-isolated human society today.
quote:herukhuti:
It is now up to us uninstall the "buggy software" and try to connect the "real" past with our present situation. Without this "enlightenment", we will keep stumbling as we walk into the future.
I doubt that many Africans have forgotten their "real" past, save for a few. IMO, what Africans need, is effective mobilization of ordinary Africans [who live in a different conscious planet from much the African ruling bourgeois] through organized political consciousness and unity which transcends ethnic jingoism, and centers on universal social aspirations. Then again, ordinary folks around the globe face a similar challenge, regardless of relative differences in socio-economic conditions.
...We're still saying the same thing
There are various PIECES of ancient knowledge still being passed down but we don't have the bigger picture else we wouldn't be in the mess we're in. My people have a lot of oral tradition too but we're still generally confused. NOT A SINGLE African country is really progressing.
Posted by Supercar (Member # 6477) on :
quote:Originally posted by herukhuti: We're still saying the same thing
There are various PIECES of ancient knowledge still being passed down but we don't have the bigger picture else we wouldn't be in the mess we're in. My people have a lot of oral tradition too but we're still generally confused. NOT A SINGLE African country is really progressing.
I don't see the resemblance between what I am saying and what you're getting at.
Posted by herukhuti (Member # 11484) on :
quote:Originally posted by Supercar:
quote:Originally posted by herukhuti: We're still saying the same thing
There are various PIECES of ancient knowledge still being passed down but we don't have the bigger picture else we wouldn't be in the mess we're in. My people have a lot of oral tradition too but we're still generally confused. NOT A SINGLE African country is really progressing.
I don't see the resemblance between what I am saying and what you're getting at.
Therein lies the confusion. The English language can be ambiguous.
Posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE (Member # 11724) on :
quote:Originally posted by Hotep2u: [QB] Greetings:
I think Somalis are mostly BRAINWASHED Arab wannabes that's why they are apart of the Arab League because they want to be amongst their Arab Masters.
who's this mothef.cker? your that same fagget that got wooped by a little oromo girl i want to thank you i learned a lot about my country because of your rantings and the way she b1tchslapped you was just magic man
just because arabs recognised us as equals in the past and present doesn't mean you have to call us brainwashed
not 1 arab country protested but they all welcomed us in
where is that arab racisme i was hearing about
yes i'm a muslim and proud of it
i don't give a sh1t what you think!!
quote:Somalia is an embarrassment to Afrika in my opinion.
man somalia did more for africa than africa did for somalia you little b1tch
somalia showed no Ill feelings towards it's central african republic brothers during the bokassa era and provided them logistics during their struggle
somalia showed no ill feelings towards samora machel when our president helped him with all types of things to get him to power in mozambique
somali soldiers showed no Ill feelings towards burundi soldiers when they were training them
somalia showed no ill feelings towards Eritrea and it's struggle for independance but provided them with everything it needed
mind you somalia is not a first world country but still managed to deliver to those it promised to help with their struggles
somalia could have ignored the tensions between Uganda and Tanzania and let them go to war that would result in thousands of innocent africans killed but somalia didn't and it persuaded both of them to come to mogadishu to sign a peacedeal
the only reason why somalia went to war with ethiopia and kenya is because of land and not out of hate for it's people
quote:I say this because the IMF describes Somalia as a FAILED STATE,
somalia without a government
WORLD BANK
Somalia flourished precisely because of the "world community’s" neglect.
In Somalia, "the very absence of a government may have helped nurture an African oddity — a lean and efficient business sector that does not feed at a public trough controlled by corrupt officials," wrote Peter Maas in the May 2001 issue of The Atlantic Monthly. Tele-communications, transportation, and shipping companies were organized up to provide services to the liberated private sector. Internet cafes have sprung up in Mogadishu. Private security firms helped businessmen protect their investments and property.
A recent World Bank study grudgingly admitted: "Somalia boasts lower rates of extreme poverty and, in some cases, better infrastructure than richer countries in Africa." This is almost certainly because it is not cursed with a World Bank-subsidized central government to siphon away the nation’s wealth.
According to Andrew Cockburn in the July issue of National Geographic magazine, Somalia is rising, phoenix-like, from the ashes of the 1993 war and becoming an economic powerhouse in eastern Africa precisely because anarchy has reigned ever since. Consider Cockburn’s on-the-scene assessment of what has happened since the war. "Like plants sprouting after a forest fire, Somalis have managed to survive and build on their own, in some respects with more success than developing nations on the receiving end of international aid and advice."
Significantly, the Somalis get it. They have learned through experience that less government is good, and that no government is better. Hear what telecommunications tycoon Abdirizak Ido told Mr. Cockburn: "We have been through some hard times, but the worst was when we had a government. Once there was no government, there was opportunity!"
Somali Businesses Stunted by Too-Free Enterprise
By Ian Fisher
There are five competing airlines here; three phone companies, which have some of the cheapest rates in the world; at least two pasta factories; 45 private hospitals; 55 providers of electricity; 1,500 wholesalers for imported goods; and an infinite number of guys with donkeys who will deliver 55 gallons of clean water to your house for 25 cents.
What Somalia does not have is a government, and in many ways, that makes it the world's purest laboratory for capitalism. No one collects taxes. Business is booming. Libertarians of the world, unite
It is striking that Somalia, unlike many parts of Africa, has achieved this thriving business climate on its own, without the usual aid and advice from rich nations. They have all but disengaged from Somalia since the failure of the United Nations operation here in the early 1990's. Somalis have learned that they are pretty good at making money.
"It's entrepreneurism that's doing it," said Ahmed Abdisalam Adan, director of programs for Horn Afrik, Somalia's first independent radio and television station, established last year. "It's who has more creativity. It's who is willing to take risks. Before it was the government. The government could make you rich one day and poor the next
Bossaso city has become a magnet for foreigners who want to invest in Africa. This week alone, there are about half a dozen business people representing Chinese and South Korean corporations in the city. These representatives and others who frequent Puntland want to invest in the region and expand their business to this part of the world. Interested people include wealthy business men from the Middle East.
Puntland (North Eastern Somalia) has not been touched by the country’s civil war and has remained stable after the fall of Somalia’s central government in 1991. It lies on the tip of East Africa and borders Indian Ocean and Red Sea.
• GAROWE, Somalia July 12 (Garowe Online)
THE PUNTLAND Parliament formally ratified an exploration agreement on Wednesday presented by the Administration in a majority vote. The "Puntland Agreement" was signed in mid-2005 between the Puntland State government and Range Resources, Ltd., an Australian exploration company.
After 2 days of debate, 55 Puntland lawmakers out of a total of 66 ratified the "Agreement" – a day after President Mohamud "Adde" Muse addressed Parliament and informed them of changes to an article in the "Agreement." On Tuesday, President Adde told legislators that the "exclusive rights" article was removed from the original contract, which allows Puntland to be divided into "blocks" and that "other companies" are welcome to explore the region's rumored natural resources wealth Posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE (Member # 11724) on :
Telcom is the largest and the leading telecommunications network operator in Somalia. Telcom is the first major privately owned company providing telecommunications in Somalia territory. Telcom principal activities include local, long distance, national and international telecommunication, mobile communications, and a wide range of data services including broadband access.
STG over the years has proven to be a lucrative successful telephone business venture. STG became a vital part of Somali people socially and commercially. Customer demand did not end only for voice and fax services; currently STG telecom services include GSM Mobile services, SMS, Prepaid telecom services, high speed internet, local and international long distance services through out the entire STG Network.
NATIONLINK
Headquartered in Mogadishu, Somalia, NationLink offers a variety of telecom services including landline telephones, faxes, data, long range cordless telephones and Internet services. NationLink is one of three major telecommunications companies headquartered in Mogadishu that has participated in collaborating to form a joint Internet company -- Somali Internet Company (SICO) to provide services throughout the region Posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE (Member # 11724) on :
UNIVERSITIES
The university is a multipurpose institution. In addition to preparing competent professionals, it aims to be a community learning centre, an idea hub, a focal point for practical and theoretical research, and a development engine that makes real difference to lives of the people in the city and beyond.
BU was established in Mogadishu, Somalia in September 2002. The University has now four Faculties (Medicine, Computer Science, Education and Engineering). and there are plans to add other faculties at earliest possible time.
MU shall take a pioneering role in filling the educational gap created during the civil war so as to provide higher education opportunities for the young generations of Somalia.
MU shall give students an opportunity of higher education and specialization in various spheres of sciences and literature in response to the desperate needs of the country for educated human resources.
MU shall develop indigenous scientific knowledge through encouraging focused research programs in the priority sectors
Amoud University is a community-owned non-governmental, national University and open to all aspiring candidates who fulfill the admission requirements without discrimination based on sex, ethnic, origin, creed or color.
Faculties
Faculty of Education Faculty of Business and Public Administration Faculty of Medicine of Surgery Faculty of Natural Resources (Department of Agriculture ) Faculty of Information & Communication Technology (Online )
Future Hiiraan University Complex
DIASPORA
Dahabshiil has 75 agents in the UK and over 400 branches and agents world-wide
The quality of service differentiates Dahabshiil from its competitors. Dahabshiil is now recognised as the most reputable commercial enterprise in the sector. Customers call it trustworthy, reliable, cost-effective and efficient.
The company's long-term strategy is to remain the first choice of money transfer services for migrants from the Horn of Africa. Our mission is to be an innovative, customer-oriented company that consistently exceeds customers' expectations of service.
The diaspora anually pumps billions into somalia
It may surprise you that we have been around for over 12 years. The company has grown from humble beginning with one Cessna aircraft in 1991, to become one of the largest flights network in Africa. Daallo Airlines is nominated as one of the show case success stories in Africa by Mr. Fick, David S, in his book of "Entrepreneurship in Africa: A study of Success".
NO AIDS PANDEMIC
By STEPHANIE NOLEN Monday, July 25, 2005
XUDDUR, SOMALIA -- They have posters. They have training manuals. They have wipe-off markers. The only thing that the earnest band of AIDS educators in this Somali town don't have is, well, any people with AIDS.
At least none they know of.
The breadth of the AIDS pandemic has led to the idea in the West that the entire continent is ravaged by the disease. But Somalia -- isolated for 14 years since the civil war began and populated by devout Muslims -- has an infection rate of perhaps only 1.5 or 2 per cent of the adult population.
Its isolation has helped to keep the infection rate one of the lowest in Africa at a time when countries to the south are reporting infection rates of 40 per cent of the adult population
POLIO
''If polio can be stopped in Somalia, it can be stopped anywhere,"
Carol Bellamy, Unicef's executive director
Nairobi - The United Nations has removed conflict-ravaged Somalia from a list of polio-endemic countries as no new cases of the disease have been reported in the Horn of Africa nation for two years, the UN Children's Fund said on Monday.
The agency described Somalia's success in combating polio as a "miraculous victory for children over conflict and devastation."
"If polio can be stopped in Somalia, it can be stopped anywhere," Carol Bellamy, Unicef's executive director, said in statement. "This success is a testament to the will of the Somali people and the effectiveness of strategies in place to stop the virus."
The nation of seven million people has not had an effective central government since the ouster of dictator Mohamed Siad Barre in 1991, and has been ruled by rival, heavily armed clan-based militia for more than a decade.
Polio is still endemic in Nigeria, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Niger and Egypt.
An immunisation campaign in Nigeria has been marred by a six-month polio vaccine boycott in the west African nation's predominantly Islamic northern state of Kano.
Kano authorities have insisted tests conducted by the state's scientists last year showed the vaccines were contaminated with a variant of the hormone estrogen, which they said would cause infertility in girls.
Some Nigerian Islamic clerics also argued the vaccines also spread Aids, claiming their evidence originated on the Internet.
Somalia is a predominantly Muslim country, and Unicef praised Islamic leaders in that nation for being a "major force" behind immunisation campaigns.
A fresh three-day campaign was launched in Somalia on Monday.
The United Nations and its partners, including Rotary International and the United States' Centres for Disease Control and Prevention, are planning to implement monitoring systems in Somalia in the next few months. Once they are in place, the country has to have no reported cases of polio for another two years to be deemed polio free. - Sapa-AP
Posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE (Member # 11724) on :
CURRENCY
SoSh (Somali shilling)
the SoSh's stability is reflected by the fact that in parts of neighboring Ethiopia the SoSh is more extensivly used than Ethiopia's own currency (little :2003 :144) In fact prior to the last large monetary injection in Somalia in march 1999 and in 2000 the SoSh showed greater stability than the currencies of Ethiopia and Kenya from 1996 february to 1999 the SoSh depreciated against the US$ only 12.14% Between 1996-1999 the Kenyan shilling lost 32.55% against the US$ and the Ethiopian birr depreciated against the dollar 26.58%
Berbera of somaliland and bossaso of Puntland ports
LIVE STOCK TRADE
REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY
HILAAC REAL ESTATE AND CONSTRUCTIONS
Bosasso 1 | 91 houses - almost completed Bosasso 2 | 80 houses - started september 30 2005 Gaalkacyo 1 | 300 houses - started september 30 2005 Laascaanood | 250 houses - planned to start in 2005 Gaalkacyo 2 | 300 houses - planned to start in 2006 Garowe | 150 houses - planned to start in 2006 Carmo | 100 houses - planned to start in 2006
Dayeel is locally owned Somaliland Constructions company employing around 400 staff across Somaliland and with completion of approximately 100 of constructions annually.
DCC is highly respected and well-established contracting company, with professional builders and surveyors supported by an experienced administrative team. We provide a complete range of construction and program management services in all in the segments of residential and business building market.
At least now we know what happens when an unspeakable evil is unleashed on a whole continent of civilised peoples... The echoes of pain & anger of our ancestors from a thousand years back can still be heard right here on this thread as Black on Black feud ensues...
"`What became of the Black people of Sumer?' the traveler asked the old man, for ancient records show that the people of Sumer were Black. `What happened to them?' 'Ah,' the old man sighed. `They lost their history, so they died.'"
...we need Heru.
Posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE (Member # 11724) on :
Tharwa Net-Watch
From the chaos, it's a business boom in somalia
Import and export is a booming business. Traders are doing whatever they can to get hold of useful stuff that can sell abroad. Neither traditional nor non-traditional commodities are spared. Even markets for scrap metals that litter all over the place are to be found, especially old military gear and other devices wrecked during the civil war.
The import sector is the most interesting. Town dwellers all over Somalia cannot complain of a shortage of commodities as adroit traders have managed to fill stores with all sorts of goods. Sugar from Brazil, toys from Thailand, trinkets from India and even shotguns from Ukraine all compete for buyers in Mogadishu and elsewhere.
Trade between Somalia and other countries has multiplied. Some people even estimate that the trade volume is so huge that it could be considered one of the biggest in the Horn of Africa, outdoing more politically stable countries such as Kenya and Ethiopia.
Sceptics say Somali traders have become so profit driven as to compromise all values. Environmental and public health concerns have been raised, especially due to deforestation. The prevalence of strange diseases is assumed to be due to consumption of substandard, imported foods and drugs.
In the absence of law enforcing institutions to safeguard investor rights, joint ventures have been founded based on trust. It seems unimaginable that as many as 600 investors could pool their capital in order to initiate and run a single or a chain of businesses. It is not unusual to hear radio announcements calling shareholders for a meeting or news of a company management declaring payment of dividends. But beneficiaries tend to hide their huge income, fearing kidnappers.
Minarets of mosques generally greet visitors to Somalia's urban areas, but in these days the sight of communication transmitters of the shape of Paris's Eiffel Tower is becoming quite common. They are the product of intense competition among telecommunications and media companies who want to send and receive signals through the airwaves.
The recent opening of a Coca Cola plant in Mogadishu is an indication of how multinationals are beginning to expand their franchises to previously risky areas. It is a sign that more investors will follow suit, creating jobs and generating more locally made products.
- We are a fishing company located on the coast of Somalia. We deal in all sorts of fish like Grouper, Red Snapper, King fish, shark fins, lobster, sea cucumber etc.
A company based in Kenya, somalia and also Dubai. We do handling exporting and local supply of frozen and live lobsters from lower Jubba especially Burgao, Kuda, Kamboni, Gobwain and Kismayo. We export 5000 frozen lobster to overseas each month by air.
Exporting mainly on hamour fillet, tuna and lobsters. We also have a legal permission from the Somaliland government so that any investor who is willing, a joint venture in this industry is welcome.
We are one of the biggest export & import companies in the East African countries. Products include grouper, red snapper, king fish, tuna, shrimps, lobster. Also: dried fishes such as shark fins, shark bones, sea cucumbers, fish maws, dried shark meat and dried shrimps.
We are exporters/wholesalers of seafood. Our facility in Somalia is very modern, it includes a new 100mt freezer capacity. Our products include Snapper, Grouper, Kingfish, Tuna and in addition we would be able to supply other species that are available in the Indian Ocean. 4/11 SomFish Ltd Said Ali Sadiq Shire Bosaaso +971 50 348 4160 +971 4 227 8611 saidarrale@hotmail.com
quote:Kenya has deported and banned Somalis from entering Kenya due to Kenya's government recognizing that Somalis have created problems in their own country.
quote:Getting back to business in Somalia
You cannot get a hotel room for love nor money in Eastleigh.
They have been packed for the past three months and the owners say they have never seen anything like this before.
Eastleigh - a bustling neighbourhood in the east of Nairobi - is where many of the city's 25,000 Somalis live.
This is not a ghetto. It is a thriving business community with freshly painted buildings, gridlocked traffic and a turnover of around £30m ($56m) a month.
That is extremely high for this part of the world.
Walk the packed streets and you will find women wearing the hijab, or headscarf, and rows of men dipping into big sacks of khat or miraa - the leafy narcotic that is chewed by so many here. It gives them a buzz and smoothes conversation.
This is Somalia recreated on Kenyan soil. And the numbers arriving are swelling.
Eyeing opportunities
So back to the hotels, why is business so brisk?
Well, they are heaving, not with recent refugees but with Somalis from the vast and wealthy diaspora.
They are en route to Mogadishu with potential deals on their mind.
The Somali community worldwide is huge and many send their money home.
In fact it is estimated that the value of their remittances runs to £527m ($990m) a year.
Aid to Somalia is less than a third of that.
In Eastleigh, the Hotel Barakat is doing a roaring trade.
It prides itself on good coffee and boasts a curious water feature in reception: a rather garish mini waterfall. Nice.
Hassan, the manager, is wide-eyed and flabbergasted by the demand for rooms.
Part of the reason is that Mogadishu airport, closed for more than a decade, has re-opened.
Commercial flights will get you there, across the Kenyan border, in less than an hour and a half.
Part of the reason is that Mogadishu airport, closed for more than a decade, has re-opened.
Commercial flights will get you there, across the Kenyan border, in less than an hour and a half.
So Eastleigh is a perfect stopover: a place to have a shower, catch the gossip and make some last minute contacts before the big trip.
don't hate you pu$$y
quote:Ethiopia is now pointing to the lack of Government in Somalia that warrants Ethiopia protecting itself by securing its Borders.
be quiet you pu$$y and leave east african issue's to east africans
it would take me a whole day to explain the real reasons and i bet you still wouldn't get it because your a pu$$y
TPLF is hated by it's own people
somalis don't hate ethiopians no matter how hard you trying to fuell it
it's not going to work dummy
ethiopian refugees also arrive in berbera and bosasso because there fleeing this oppressive regime
quote:South Afrikans are showing resentment to Somalis,
pu$$y my aunt is an south african and she married my uncle and she's one the best and strongest women i know and i've been to Johhanesburg when i was a kid and nobody disliked somalis there
you fail to differentiate between normal south africans and criminals who commit these acts
i think you just insulted south africans
what a pu$$y
quote:which PROVES that Somalis have a CULTURAL problem.
wich proves your a fagget that has mayor issue's with somalis and is desperate for somali d1ck
quote:All these Nations can't be all wrong folks; Somalis aren't the easiest groups of Afrikans to get along with.
quote:Trade is something the Somalis have learnt to do well and they are famous for it across Africa - particularly mobile phones, transport and property.
i know competition is a B1tch
quote:Somalis today are enjoying the fruits of the hard work of other Afrikans, for example: in South Afrika, Apartheid was a major problem for Afrikan people, just imagine all the suffering the Afrikans endured in South Afrika
south africans never received this treatment from somalis during apartheid and it's not only somalis who are being killed in south africa
africans from mozambique that are fleeing from that guy i forgot his name are being killed 2 by these criminals
quote:Afrikan cultural practices and Islamic cultural practices are fundamentally different so Somalis are not going to get along with a lot of Afrikans period.
get the f.ck outta here acting like he's larry king of the african world
somalis don't need anyone's f.cking green light
we are what we are you can hate it or love it i don't a give sh.t somalis don't give a sh.t and somalia doesn't give a sh.t so keep crying you homo
go s.ck somali d.ck f.cking fagget
quote:Again, did we owe it to Sudan to help them?
friend i was talking about somalis and their struggle against colonialisme
Reid and Israel
i was just using african carribeans as an example i myself have only come across the cool and chill types so no hate here
what i ment was just because a few think somalis are not real africans doesn't justify me making a topic and generalising a whole people and accusse them all of saying that, that's exactly what this taruma character did
Djehuti
i don't see what the point was of singling out an african country and then quote what a few said about another region of africa other then to instigate me to insult them or quote bigots and ignorant fools from my community and let it escalate in a african world war on this board
well i ain't got time for that, so if people want to join the pu$$y called hotep and rant like a fagget troll then feel free to do so...
Posted by herukhuti (Member # 11484) on :
quote:Originally posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE: well i ain't got time for that, so if people want to join the pu$$y called hotep and rant like a fagget troll then feel free to do so...
You seem to be declaring war here (while doing what you're accusing Hotep of). Is it really neccessary? REALLY?
Two wrongs don't make things right...
We're trying to make progress here, we're not trying to divide ourselves up into feudal teams. It is very un-African like
We're too civilised for this s***!!! Posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE (Member # 11724) on :
heru sxb i ment let it all out if people really have hatred for my people then it's best to let it all out
i have hate for nobody so i'm definitly a progressive person
but acussing my people of something as a pretext to start a bashing party is something i dislike
or using islam or arab bla bla as an excuse is pathetic
be direct and say it don't be a coward that is what i ment
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
Mullah, if you've read past exchanges between Hotep and the "little Oromo girl" Queen of the Universe, then you should already know that Hotep is a hardcore anti-Muslim who believes Islam is just an Arab religion used to brainwash people and all black Muslims are somehow "slaves" to the Arab masses.
Ignorance begets ignorance. I say, leave the guy alone.
And whatever happened to my suggestion about SQUASHING THIS WHOLE THREAD (Ausar, if you can read this)? I suggest that this whole thread be deleted if not closed, at least we can save bandwidth space.
Posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE (Member # 11724) on :
no he's really anti somali and he is using islam as an excuse, didn't you see how that savage try to justify the killings of somalis in south africa and blame it on the victims and at the same put the law abiding south africans that treat their african brothers and sisters with respect in the same category as those criminals that commit those hideous acts against my people and other africans
he's truely an animal never would i try to justify or defend the brutal killings of other africans by the hands of my people
there's nothing glorious about that!
Posted by Israel (Member # 11221) on :
Mullah,
Cool out homeboy! Its all good man. Yeah, there is ignorance, but not everybody is ignorant. Yet I am glad you went on that little tirade because I didn't realize that Somalia prospered because they didn't have a government! That is hilarious! Maybe we should get rid of all the governments in Africa, have warlord territories, and just learn to respect one another. Maybe that way Africa could prosper...... . Salaam
Posted by MULLAH'S_REVENGE (Member # 11724) on :
yo sxb it's not only somalis that are doing everything for themselves check this article
quote:In Liberia, paralyzed by six years of civil war, rural residents have banded together to improve food-growing techniques, working on each other's farms to make planting and harvesting more efficient.
Rural Nigerians, victim of a vicious economic downturn that has brought prohibitively high prices, have fashioned food-sharing schemes to ensure that their communities do not starve.
In Zaire, where citizens have suffered under three decades of one of the continent's most corrupted regimes, businessmen have stepped in to pay salaries of soldiers and policemen.
"Throughout the continent, governments have been conspicuous in their absence," said Rakiya Omaar, a Somali who heads the london-based African Rights organization. "They have not provided basics such as water, schools, hospitals. For a large percentage of people, government has just not been there. They have to learn to cope on their own."
In some cases, Africans have revived, or strengthened, traditional cultural habits and institutions that dominated their lives before Western-style governments came to their countries.
Cool out homeboy! Its all good man. Yeah, there is ignorance, but not everybody is ignorant. Yet I am glad you went on that little tirade because I didn't realize that Somalia prospered because they didn't have a government! That is hilarious! Maybe we should get rid of all the governments in Africa, have warlord territories, and just learn to respect one another. Maybe that way Africa could prosper...... . Salaam
Well said.
Posted by Supercar (Member # 6477) on :
quote:Originally posted by herukhuti:
Therein lies the confusion. The English language can be ambiguous.
You claim "we", presumably Africans, are all brainwashed without any basis; "I" questioned that comment, and stated that I don't see it that way. So yes, I agree that English language can be ambiguous, though there is no mistake that the misunderstanding is on your end, thinking that we are communicating the same thing, when we are in fact not. Don't do you now agree? Posted by herukhuti (Member # 11484) on :
quote:Originally posted by Supercar:
quote:Originally posted by herukhuti:
Therein lies the confusion. The English language can be ambiguous.
You claim "we", presumably Africans, are all brainwashed without any basis; "I" questioned that comment, and stated that I don't see it that way. So yes, I agree that English language can be ambiguous, though there is no mistake that the misunderstanding is on your end, thinking that we are communicating the same thing, when we are in fact not. Don't do you now agree?
Perhaps, I should have explained what I consider to be "brain-washing". Here it goes:
To me, it simply means being supplied with wrong information (even if it's temporarily). Many of us are not directly "brain-washed" but our ancestors at some point recieved a good dose of wrong info, and passed it on... We are also constantly being "brain-washed" by the European educational system adopted in much of Africa. Of course much truth has been preserved, as you've already said. Now, Supercar, if all was really well and our Ancient African ways, KNOWLEDGE and TRUTH were still intact, would you need to come to a forum like EgyptSearch to un-learn lies and re-learn truths?
Posted by Supercar (Member # 6477) on :
quote:Originally posted by herukhuti:
Perhaps, I should have explained what I consider to be "brain-washing". Here it goes:
To me, it simply means being supplied with wrong information (even if it's temporarily).
This notion of "temporarily" that you now inject here, is a far cry from your earlier generalization that Africans have forgotten their "past" and what they are about.
quote:herukhuti:
Many of us are not directly "brain-washed" but our ancestors at some point recieved a good dose of wrong info, and passed it on... We are also constantly being "brain-washed" by the European educational system adopted in much of Africa.
I think you are confusing the "aim" of European imperialism, and the basis of your assertions with these "generalizations" that you make on Africans.
quote:herukhuti:
Of course much truth has been preserved, as you've already said. Now, Supercar, if all was really well and our Ancient African ways, KNOWLEDGE and TRUTH were still intact, would you need to come to a forum like EgyptSearch to un-learn lies and re-learn truths?
I came to Egyptsearch primarily to help assist in spreading the push for placing "Kemet" in its proper context, i.e. the African context. I didn't come here, because I was brainwashed or to learn about African history in general. Unlike, countries like Egypt where the government provides limited coverage of their distant cultural heritage, many African groups have preserved knowledge from their distant past, including traditions, passing it on from one generation to another. Tell me, if this is not about people being aware of who they are and where are they come from, wrongly or rightly, then what is it about?
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^^LOL Super, take it easy on him. It's not his fault Herukhuti might suffer from some lingering effects of his mother's drug use. Posted by herukhuti (Member # 11484) on :
^^ LOL Djehuti, didn't I tell you to do away with that crack-pipe in another thread?
Posted by herukhuti (Member # 11484) on :
quote:Originally posted by Supercar:
quote:Originally posted by herukhuti:
Perhaps, I should have explained what I consider to be "brain-washing". Here it goes:
To me, it simply means being supplied with wrong information (even if it's temporarily).
This notion of "temporarily" that you now inject here, is a far cry from your earlier generalization that Africans have forgotten their "past" and what they are about.
quote:herukhuti:
Many of us are not directly "brain-washed" but our ancestors at some point recieved a good dose of wrong info, and passed it on... We are also constantly being "brain-washed" by the European educational system adopted in much of Africa.
I think you are confusing the "aim" of European imperialism, and the basis of your assertions with these "generalizations" that you make on Africans.
quote:herukhuti:
Of course much truth has been preserved, as you've already said. Now, Supercar, if all was really well and our Ancient African ways, KNOWLEDGE and TRUTH were still intact, would you need to come to a forum like EgyptSearch to un-learn lies and re-learn truths?
I came to Egyptsearch primarily to help assist in spreading the push for placing "Kemet" in its proper context, i.e. the African context. I didn't come here, because I was brainwashed or to learn about African history in general. Unlike, countries like Egypt where the government provides limited coverage of their distant cultural heritage, many African groups have preserved knowledge from their distant past, including traditions, passing it on from one generation to another. Tell me, if this is not about people being aware of who they are and where are they come from, wrongly or rightly, then what is it about?
My generalisation about Africa was exactly that - a generalisation. I reserve the right to make generalisations as everyone else sometimes does. When I said "temporarily", I mean most Africans start off not knowing the truth (about the WHOLE of Africa and its role in history, not just about a particular ethnic group). Some people become more enlightened as they grow-up/learn-more.
If you truly believe that being aware of "who you are" means that you have not been brain-washed, then I suppose you're right, we're not saying the same thing.
I know who I am (seriously, how many people don't?), but I am also painfully aware that there is much that I don't know about my people in antiquity. Tell me one thing: where did you spend most of your school days and where are you now?
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