Although I drew a lot of the art featured here, the blog's actual operator is not me but one of my followers. Hopefully she'll allow submissions from other tumblr users in the future. Keep an eye out for more art!
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
I recently uploaded this drawing of mine onto tumblr: The famous female Pharaoh Hatshepsut proudly displays her abundant assets here. What a bootylicious Queen of the Nile!
In historical reality, Hatshepsut had grown very overweight when she died at middle age, as analysis of her mummy has shown, but I like to think she kept better care of her figure in her youth.
Posted by Faheemdunkers (Member # 20844) on :
Her ancient busts and sculptures don't depict any of those Negroid traits. Her lips are in fact incredibly thin.
Here's a far more accurate "cartoon" depiction:
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
I wonder if there's a way to measure the prevalence and expression of steatogypia in ancient populations? Would steatogypia affect the bones or survive the mummification process?
Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
The drawing I like are Tiye by yang, Menhit by yang, Sekhmet by shoom, female pharaoh by fuckya, Cleopatra VII by brandon, Isis by mystic,the Egyptian by tdub.Somebody could make a great cartoon movie with those pictures.
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
Special little gift for Faheem:
Hatshepsut X Alexander the Great shipped together
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fartheadbonnkers: Her ancient busts and sculptures don't depict any of those Negroid traits. Her lips are in fact incredibly thin.
Here's a far more accurate "cartoon" depiction:
Yet of all the authentic images of Hatshepsut they have on google or bing, you chose the whitish looking one that is mere illustration of fancy. Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric: I recently uploaded this drawing of mine onto tumblr: The famous female Pharaoh Hatshepsut proudly displays her abundant assets here. What a bootylicious Queen of the Nile!
In historical reality, Hatshepsut had grown very overweight when she died at middle age, as analysis of her mummy has shown, but I like to think she kept better care of her figure in her youth.
Special little gift for Faheem:
Hatshepsut X Alexander the Great shipped together
LMAO I take it you were in an 'amorous' mood when you made these drawings.
quote: I wonder if there's a way to measure the prevalence and expression of steatogypia in ancient populations? Would steatopygia affect the bones or survive the mummification process?
LOL Well from what I understand, the only affect steatopygia has on bones is in the lower spine in the form of lordosis, though this is quite rare and only happens in cases of the extreme form of steatopygia. It definitely can't survive mummification because the process saps all water from the body and shrivels the entire body to 'beef jerky' like form. I don't know how medical scientists can assess steatopygia in a mummified corpse except maybe analyzing fatty deposit remnants and fibrous tissue in the buttocks(?) But so far steatopygia has only been assessed in ancient populations through artwork.
The ancient Egyptians by the way, tend to exhibit the minimal or minute form of steatopygia common among elongated or supra-tropical Africans because fat is an insulator that hinders heat loss.
Posted by KingMichael777 (Member # 20401) on :
Nice art man.
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: The ancient Egyptians by the way, tend to exhibit the minimal or minute form of steatopygia common among elongated or supra-tropical Africans because fat is an insulator that hinders heat loss.
If you haven't already noticed, I like to draw my Egyptian subjects as having a more "True Negro" look (i.e. wide nose, full lips, kinky hair, and ample derrieres) than some people here advocate. Honestly, I find those features more attractive, especially on women. I consider myself more of a fantasy than a strictly historical artist anyway, even if history does provide a treasure trove of inspiration.
Posted by KingMichael777 (Member # 20401) on :
quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: The ancient Egyptians by the way, tend to exhibit the minimal or minute form of steatopygia common among elongated or supra-tropical Africans because fat is an insulator that hinders heat loss.
If you haven't already noticed, I like to draw my Egyptian subjects as having a more "True Negro" look (i.e. wide nose, full lips, kinky hair, and ample derrieres) than some people here advocate. Honestly, I find those features more attractive, especially on women. I consider myself more of a fantasy than a strictly historical artist anyway, even if history does provide a treasure trove of inspiration.
The ancient Egyptians had a wide variety of looks. So your depictions could very well be accurate.
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
quote:Originally posted by KingMichael777: The ancient Egyptians had a wide variety of looks. So your depictions could very well be accurate.
I agree, but some posters on these forums advocate that Egyptians as a general rule, while still dark-skinned and genetically qualifying as Black African, had narrower noses and wavier hair than the "True Negro" stereotype as an adaptation to the arid climate.
Speaking of hair, at the risk of beating another dead horse...
Someone on DeviantArt notified me that Hatshepsut's mummy had hair stretching all the way from her head down to her ankle. I have a hard time imagining straight hair of such length having any practical use, so my gut instinct tells me the hairs were originally tightly coiled but then straightened out due to some postmortem process. What said postmortem process would be, I don't know; maybe this is a subject for future research.
quote:Originally posted by KingMichael777: The ancient Egyptians had a wide variety of looks. So your depictions could very well be accurate.
I agree, but some posters on these forums advocate that Egyptians as a general rule, while still dark-skinned and genetically qualifying as Black African, had narrower noses and wavier hair than the "True Negro" stereotype as an adaptation to the arid climate.
Speaking of hair, at the risk of beating another dead horse...
Someone on DeviantArt notified me that Hatshepsut's mummy had hair stretching all the way from her head down to her ankle. I have a hard time imagining straight hair of such length having any practical use, so my gut instinct tells me the hairs were originally tightly coiled but then straightened out due to some postmortem process. What said postmortem process would be, I don't know; maybe this is a subject for future research.
There is no such thing as a TRUE NEGRO. Like Keita said Africans vary in phenotypes to just be labeled Negroid.
People should already understand this.
And hair that long sounds kinda ludicrous.. Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric: I recently uploaded this drawing of mine onto tumblr: The famous female Pharaoh Hatshepsut proudly displays her abundant assets here. What a bootylicious Queen of the Nile!
In historical reality, Hatshepsut had grown very overweight when she died at middle age, as analysis of her mummy has shown, but I like to think she kept better care of her figure in her youth.
this is very sexist with her shiny ass sticking out
also you have learned little from Egyptian art. You are using Western comic book/porn interpretation of Egyptians. Look at how the women are posing in Egyptian art not this hoochie mama shyt
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: also you have learned little from Egyptian art. You are using Western comic book/porn interpretation of Egyptians. Look at how the women are posing in Egyptian art not this hoochie mama shyt
I'm not really aiming to emulate the Egyptian art style here. It's supposed to look like a pin-up.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: also you have learned little from Egyptian art. You are using Western comic book/porn interpretation of Egyptians. Look at how the women are posing in Egyptian art not this hoochie mama shyt
I'm not really aiming to emulate the Egyptian art style here. It's supposed to look like a pin-up.
It's slutty and cheap and degrades women and Egyptian culture.
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
And how exactly is drawing the beautiful female form degrading? You're beginning to sound like a white pseudo-feminist.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
^^^^ show this picture to some intelligent black women, we'll see if your theories are correct
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ Maybe he should, since you are neither intelligent nor black, that is if you are really a woman. LOL Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by KingMichael777:
quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric:
quote:Originally posted by KingMichael777: The ancient Egyptians had a wide variety of looks. So your depictions could very well be accurate.
I agree, but some posters on these forums advocate that Egyptians as a general rule, while still dark-skinned and genetically qualifying as Black African, had narrower noses and wavier hair than the "True Negro" stereotype as an adaptation to the arid climate.
Speaking of hair, at the risk of beating another dead horse...
Someone on DeviantArt notified me that Hatshepsut's mummy had hair stretching all the way from her head down to her ankle. I have a hard time imagining straight hair of such length having any practical use, so my gut instinct tells me the hairs were originally tightly coiled but then straightened out due to some postmortem process. What said postmortem process would be, I don't know; maybe this is a subject for future research.
There is no such thing as a TRUE NEGRO. Like Keita said Africans vary in phenotypes to just be labeled Negroid.
People should already understand this.
And hair that long sounds kinda ludicrous..
The long hair nonsense aside, I for one have always maintained phenotypic diversity for the populations of the Nile Valley. While the Egyptians generally do exhibit supra-tropical skeletal builds, they vary in stature, complexions, facial features, and hair forms from area to area. Egyptians tend to be lighter and shorter in the northern areas of Egypt while those in southern areas tend to be darker and taller. Egyptians in the north tend to have narrower noses and wider heads while those in the south have wider noses and narrower heads. Lower Egyptians also tend to have frizzy or kinky hair in contrast to southerners who have wavy hair. So NO there was no single set of phenotypic traits that prevailed throughout Egypt.
Posted by KingMichael777 (Member # 20401) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
quote:Originally posted by KingMichael777:
quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric:
quote:Originally posted by KingMichael777: The ancient Egyptians had a wide variety of looks. So your depictions could very well be accurate.
I agree, but some posters on these forums advocate that Egyptians as a general rule, while still dark-skinned and genetically qualifying as Black African, had narrower noses and wavier hair than the "True Negro" stereotype as an adaptation to the arid climate.
Speaking of hair, at the risk of beating another dead horse...
Someone on DeviantArt notified me that Hatshepsut's mummy had hair stretching all the way from her head down to her ankle. I have a hard time imagining straight hair of such length having any practical use, so my gut instinct tells me the hairs were originally tightly coiled but then straightened out due to some postmortem process. What said postmortem process would be, I don't know; maybe this is a subject for future research.
There is no such thing as a TRUE NEGRO. Like Keita said Africans vary in phenotypes to just be labeled Negroid.
People should already understand this.
And hair that long sounds kinda ludicrous..
The long hair nonsense aside, I for one have always maintained phenotypic diversity for the populations of the Nile Valley. While the Egyptians generally do exhibit supra-tropical skeletal builds, they vary in stature, complexions, facial features, and hair forms from area to area. Egyptians tend to be lighter and shorter in the northern areas of Egypt while those in southern areas tend to be darker and taller. Egyptians in the north tend to have narrower noses and wider heads while those in the south have wider noses and narrower heads. Lower Egyptians also tend to have frizzy or kinky hair in contrast to southerners who have wavy hair. So NO there was no single set of phenotypic traits that prevailed throughout Egypt.
Good point!
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
a filipino expert on who's black, what a joke
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ I never claimed to be an expert on anything let alone on "who's black". My anthropological knowledge on the physical appearance of Egyptians and other Africans comes from updated sources such as books and articles written by valid experts as well as my own first-hand observations of African immigrants from diverse parts of the continent. This is in contrast to YOU who has probably seen few Africans which is why you make generalizations that if an African has loose or wavy hair it is because he/she has foreign admixture. I find your statement about me being Filipino funny considering that for centuries it were white Westerners who were the self proclaimed experts on racial and ethnic identity including who is black. LOL Oh, and if your statement is based on my remarks about you not being black. Again, it doesn't take an expert to know you are a lying troll. Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
Another female Pharaoh’s portrait, this time a side view. I understand that I’ve done a lot of female Pharaoh drawings lately, but I wanted to experiment with a different angle and inking technique. Plus, ages must have passed since I last colored any drawing.
This isn’t meant to represent any particular individual from real ancient Egyptian or Nubian history, but she can if you want to.
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
I call this "Miss Independent" after the Ne-Yo song which made it come to mind.
As people following me on DeviantArt and tumblr almost certainly know by now, I have recently gone on a female Pharaoh kick in art and writing. Now I wish to articulate why I love that concept so much.
The idea of a beautiful and elegant African lady as the matriarch of antiquity’s most prosperous and powerful civilizations inspires me because it presents a much more uplifting and respectful image of African women than we usually get to see. Way too often in Western culture, black women are perceived as pitiful “mules of the world” at the very best, if they aren’t slandered as repulsively unfeminine and undesirable. In the rare instance when a black woman is cast in a sexy or romantic role, she is typically lighter-skinned or otherwise more European in appearance. The female Pharaoh archetype is the polar opposite of all those racist images, which is a major reason why I draw her so much.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
horseshit, he has a hard on for black ass
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ And so what if he does?? Do you know how many white guys have a 'thing' for Asian women?! To each his own. As long as he respects women, it shouldn't matter what color of phenotype of woman turns him on. Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
^ that's reasonable but I don't like the way he and zarahan parade black women's asses as Egyptology. I don't think it's respectful, He's even got shiny highlights on the butt cheeks. Alexander's hand on Hatshepsut ass? You call that repectful? doesn't even make sense historically.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ LOL It's called fan fiction. If you think that's bad, I have seen much worse images of the female form in art blogs. Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
a quick drawing/rendering...
KMT General..
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
^ Faved on DeviantArt!
This conceptual line art illustrates Asehotep, Pharaoh of Kametu and protagonist of my fantasy novel Lakes of the Moon. Trained in the martial arts and archery from a young age, Asehotep will do everything she can for her people. However, the same belief in her own divinity that compels her to nurture her kingdom has inflated her sense of self-worth. When her half-brother has her dethroned and kidnapped by raiders from the far north, she must lead these raiders to another source of treasure and find her way back to civilization.
I've already written the first chapter and am plowing through the second right now. Among the subject matter that will feature in the story are not only Egypto-Nubian people but also Vikings, Central African foragers, and a jungle with dinosaurs and ancient ruins!
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Colored version of the line art: Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
Now here’s an intercultural pairing that is neither sexual nor technically interracial: an Egyptian Pharaoh and Zulu warrior as platonic, albeit still emotionally close, friends (to use Internet slang, BFF). What I find appealing about this fantasy friendship is the idea of two ostensibly different cultures on opposite sides of the African continent coming together and embracing each other.
I should note that the Zulu warrior chick’s costume does not reflect actual Zulu female dress, but everyone recognizes the Zulu for their warriors anyway.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
do you have any in person black friends? I was wondering
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
Yes, I have a couple of black female friends at my university. Why?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
I was wondering if you had first hand contact
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
Ancient Egypt’s two most famous matriarchs, Pharaoh Hatshepsut and Queen Cleopatra VII, have a heated argument over who’s the better ruler. Not the first time I’ve drawn these historical characters together, but I just can’t get enough of the visual and personality contrast between them. If you can’t already tell which one is which, Hatshepsut’s the dark-skinned girl on the left whereas Cleo is the “high yellow” one on the right.
Posted by Neferefre (Member # 13793) on :
I like your art , keep it up
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
My portrait of Aset (more commonly known by her Greek name Isis), the ancient Egyptian goddess who patronized magic and nature. Wife of Ausar (Osiris) and mother of Heru (Horus), Aset proved so popular a deity that her cult actually spread outside of Africa into the Greek and Roman civilizations. Some scholars have even claimed that the Christian motif of Mary suckling Jesus actually borrowed from ancient Egyptian depictions of Aset suckling Heru.
I chose to draw this after encountering some guys on Tumblr who profess to be “Kemetic Revivalists”, adopting the ancient Egyptian religion as their own. Personally I say the whole movement reeks of cultural appropriation by people who get all their “knowledge” of Egyptian religion from dubious European interpretations of this ancient African culture, but I have to credit them with the inspiration anyway.
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My free-verse poem:
Her Majesty
Her Majesty surveys from her tawny palace's balcony. Her father the Sun cozies her with his light's embrace. Snow-pale linen enwraps her midnight-dark frame, A slender build but her curves are gentle. Gold and gems gleam around her neck and arms, But her cobra-hood crown burns brightest of all.
Her Majesty leans against the columned railing. Fishers' reed rafts bob on the dazzling Nile, While crocodiles slither past the ranting hippos. Papyrus and palms sway along the black banks. The kingdom's young crop rests below the water's edge. Mud hut villages chatter in two tongues. They are the voices of men and the thumping of drums.
Her Majesty inhales the sweet lotus scent. The twin towers of the temples' pylon gates Sting her eyes with their holy white glow. Among these the obelisks point skyward, Spears of stone engraved with pictures. Highest of all rise her ancestors' tombs. These limestone mountains have golden peaks.
Her Majesty sighs with tears glossing her cheeks. She brings the floods forth and drives the barbarians back. Her people chant their praises to her divinity. They all claim to love and thank her. Yet no one dares step near his or her goddess. Men may gaze and whistle at her beauty. But none want a wife with all the power.
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Due to issues with my scanner, I had to use my iPhone to take this picture. I also didn't have my drawing pad handy; this is on lined notebook paper as you can see. When I started drawing this, I had no idea who this character would turn out to be, but once I drew in her facial features I decided to add in a stylized Eye of Horus kohl design on her eye. I like how "tribal" it came out looking, as if the woman came from Egypt's prehistoric (or Predynastic) era.
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Qalhata, the proud and headstrong chieftess of the Khematic Sobek tribe, poses with an obsidian spear and knife.
You could say this new character is actually a conceptual hybridization of all the "female Egyptian Pharaoh" and "prehistoric huntress" I've created in the past. The Sobek tribe which Qalhata leads is actually a subgroup within a larger "nation" or ethnicity called the Khematu, whom in my fantasy world's timeline are the progenitors of eastern African peoples (e.g. Egyptians, Nubians, Ethiopians, Kenyans, etc.). The whole world is populated by pseudo-prehistoric hunter-gatherers of various racial and cultural backgrounds. Anyway, so far the plot for Qalhata's story has her hunting elephants with her younger sister Aneksi, but they are interrupted by alien visitors with magical powers and mysterious intentions.
BTW, that's not a crown Qalhata has on her head, but a specially combed and pruned Afro which combines influences from both the ancient Egyptian blue crown of war (i.e. the one Rameses II famously wore) and some traditional Rwandan coiffures. The hairstyle shows that she is chieftess of her tribe while the crocodile-tooth necklace identifies her with the totemic deity Sobek.
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
Colored version of my Qalhata drawing
Posted by Faheemdunkers (Member # 20844) on :
Why are you depicting Cleopatra as looking like a hybrid type, with Negroid traits?
A forensic team recently reconstructed her, based on the lost portrait found in 1818 from Hadrian’s Villa outside Rome:
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ LMAO
And can you please show us this allegedly authentic portrait of her? Last time I checked there was nothing in the records to indicate that she was blonde and blue-eyed, something of rare occurrence among Greeks, Macedonians, and other Balkans.
Plus we already have evidence based on the remains of Cleopatra's own sister, Arsinoe. But then again, all of this was explained to you before.
You really do need to get a life and stop living in these racial fantasies. Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
This is a WIP, but soon it will become a poster for a hypothetical period film starring the famous Egyptian Pharaoh Hatshepsut. We’ve all seen Cleopatra dozens of times in Hollywood, but how about we give the cinematic treatment to a more successful (and wholly Egyptian) matriarch for once? Unlike most of my recent “female Pharaoh” drawings, I attempted to make the poster’s leading actress resemble the model Oluchi Onweagba, working with the idea that she could play the title character.
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
Hatshepsut, the Daughter of the Sun. I originally wanted to make this look like a movie poster, but in the end it came out looking more like a novel cover. Still, a long time has passed since I last drew anything with a background, even a simple desert one like the one here. The Pharaoh’s facial features were drawn using the Nigerian model Oluchi Onweagba as a reference.
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
A male villager, either middle or lower class, from ancient Egypt offers a friendly greeting.
One of my history professors said in a lecture that even the Egyptian lower classes loved to adorn themselves with jewelry. However, since most images of commoners in Egyptian art don’t give them more than the standard linen loincloths (artistic haste?), I had to make up this character’s bling. Most of it draws inspiration from the jewelry worn by some “traditional” African peoples today. The two pointy things hanging from his necklace are supposed to be animal tusks.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ In Egyptian culture like many African cultures, adornments were a sign of status. The more adornments and especially the higher the quality, the higher up in status one usually was. Thus in Egyptian murals and paintings commoners are not shown adorn in contrasts to the elites. From what I understand, the Egyptians also used bone jewelry and ostrich eggs.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
the jewelry itself should also be accurate
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
A princess from the West African civilization of Mali, which also gave us Sundjata Keita and Mansa Musa.
I need to draw more West African people. Their civilizations don't get as much attention as the Egyptians and Nubians, but they still have a lot of beauty to their culture, and they are the ancestors of most Afro Diaspora people anyway. Unfortunately their women's headwraps are ridiculously intimidating to draw.
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Again not Egyptian, but still some African influences...
These sketches illustrate concepts for one of my fantasy stories, which is set in a tropical world where tribal humans coexist uneasily with dinosaurs and other prehistoric creatures.
The black woman in the upper left corner has gone through countless name changes and personality adjustments since I first conceived of her, but her basic archetype has remained constant: namely, she is a tribal dinosaur huntress. This character, who follows in her mother's footsteps, leads her tribe's hunting troop by virtue of the skills and experience she has accrued since early adolescence. Although fiercely protective of her comrades when their lives depend on her, she avoids risks whenever possible and dislikes thrill-seekers. For her, hunting is a service to society rather than a sport for glory. My heroine may come across as socially aloof, and her detractors regard her as bossy and arrogant, but deep down she fervently cares for others' safety and well-being.
The necklaces around my protagonist's neck display the fangs and claws of dinosaurs she has killed, but you can't see them from the portrait's angle. As for the scars, the linear ones on her cheek are battle wounds while the dot-shaped ones on her forehead were ritually inflicted for cosmetic reasons.
The spear's head in the upper right area stretches three feet, or almost a meter, in length. Vaguely inspired by the long heads of some Kenyan Maasai spears, my huntress's spears are forged from fine iron to pierce their dinosaurian prey's thick skins. However, they can be unwieldy to throw, so the huntresses favor smaller throwing knives (not shown here) for ranged attacks .
At the bottom is an intelligent, matriarchal Allosaurus (originally a Velociraptor) who may function as an antagonist for my heroine. Her entire species despises humanity, with whom they compete over game and territory. With iron talons, she has risen to dominate her clan, earning scars on her lip in the process. Her feral ruthlessness knows no bounds.
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This battle-scarred Tyrannosaurus rex is a planned character for one of my fantasy stories (more about that in the post before this one). I don’t have a name for him yet, but right night I tentatively call him “Veteran”. He’s in his mid-twenties, which is relatively old for a tyrannosaur, and he’s exactly the sort of solitary and misanthropic curmudgeon you expect for his species. However, unlike the allosaurs who are the story’s major antagonists, Veteran doesn’t actively seek out human prey. He would prefer to ignore us scrawny simians in favor of meatier and more challenging game. In fact, for all his characteristic grouchiness, Veteran isn’t needlessly sadistic; he has a “live and let live” attitude towards anything that doesn’t threaten or irritate him. Who knows, he might even make a useful ally if you manage to get on his good side…
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Her Majesty, the queen of a fantastical African civilization, does owe you an apology. Mostly an experiment with a different facial expression from what I usually draw.
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Rock them dreads, Queen Neferfari! This is the famed bride of Pharaoh Rameses II the Great, viewed from behind. Despite the opening sentence, you could regard this as, uh, more practice drawing the female backside (something I’ve neglected for a few weeks now). I hope this time I didn’t make her assets too disproportionately prominent.
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A pin-up of Hatshepsut drawn and colored using my old Copic marker set, which still runs well despite over a year of neglect. I do wish the markers had more in the way of brown shades for human skin tones though.
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Copic-colored version of my Nefertari booty drawing.
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Not Egyptian, but African and anthropologically relevant:
Woman the Huntress
A female Homo erectus, an ancestress of humanity, prepares to chuck rocks at her prey. I imagine her throwing them at elephants or buffaloes with her sisters or friends on a girl's night out.
I don't buy the conventional wisdom that prehistoric women only gathered plants and small animals while men chased after the big game. That dynamic may exist in some contemporary foraging cultures, but since almost all of these have a long history of intercourse with agricultural, socially stratified societies with demarcated gender roles, we can't assume that Paleolithic people had the same gender-based division of labor. Furthermore, I don't see why women couldn't participate in big-game hunting unless they were pregnant or breastfeeding, and even then I could see them using ranged weaponry like bows and arrows (and besides, not all women would necessarily have infants following them everywhere). In all other circumstances I am sure able-bodied women could have hunted larger prey like men.
Incidentally, paleo-anthropologists have noted that hominids in the human lineage have reduced sexual dimorphism (physical differences between male and female) over time compared to non-human apes like chimpanzees and gorillas. I like to think this trend had some relationship with increasing social equality and overlap in gender roles as humans evolved.
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Line Art for "Strong Women Are Sexy" T-Shirt This is more than just another Hatshepsut drawing. Once I color in the line art, I'll use it to illustrate a pro-feminist T-Shirt saying "Strong Women Are Sexy". Hatsy here will be leaning her elbow against the slogan.
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Couple of pin-ups: Nefertiti here has a relatively light, caramel-like skin tone to make her visually distinct from my other Egyptian characters, who tend towards darker cocoa or ebony skin colors. I actually think the real ancient Egyptians (not including the odd Hebrew or Nubian immigrant) had varied skin colors, with northern Egyptians having lighter skin than their southern neighbors.
Pin-up depicting Nitocris, a female Egyptian Pharaoh who, according to the historian Manetho, was the last ruler of Egypt's Sixth Dynasty. Legend claimed that she once avenged her brother's murder by inviting the killers to a banquet and then drowning them with a flood drawn from the Nile. However, most scholars doubt that she actually existed, noting that she does not appear in any native Egyptian inscriptions predating Manetho. However, I chose to name this Egyptian pin-up after her to make her stand out from my earlier Hatshepsut drawings.
I cannot deny that whenever I draw an Egyptian queen's back end, I get sprung.
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Queen Nzinga of Ndongo and Matamba
Pharaoh Hatshepsut of Kemet
Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
Nice drawing of Queen Nzinga.Nice drawing of Pharaoh Hathshepsut.
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
^ Thanks, I'm proud of it too. BTW, I have a similar drawing of the Malian conqueror Sundjata Keita in the making, complete with the Djenne mosque in the background, but I may need to get some new markers before coloring it.
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
Tragically I lost the sketchbook with the Sundjata drawing at uni yesterday, but I do have this Malian princess... A princess from ancient Mali fans her face to cool herself from the sweltering West African daytime. In retrospect I should have used a different shade for the highlights, but I’m glad to have another non-Egyptian, non-prehistoric African woman in my gallery.
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Continuing with my series of African historical leaders...
This is Sundjata Keita, the legendary warrior prince and founder of the Mali Empire in West Africa. I own a copy of his epic as transcribed by D.T. Niane, but I haven't finished it yet. So far I do like it though.
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Two common soldiers from ancient Egyptian, an archer and a spearman. Based on painted wooden models found in the tomb of Mesehti, which dates to the Egyptian Middle Kingdom (2055-1650 BC).
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Hatshepsut Does Her Hair
The Pharaoh who's been my artistic muse for a long time engages in one of the ancient Egyptians' favorite activities, namely grooming her hair. Often wealthier Egyptians would shave their real hair and wear wigs, but I prefer the subjects of my drawings to go natural.
Both the comb and the mirror were drawing using actual Egyptian artifacts as references.
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Colored version of Hatshepsut Does Her Hair: Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
Mikha’El, a Hebrew slave in New Kingdom Egypt, attends to the needs of Hatshepsut while she relaxes on her balcony. Like many other slaves, he always shows his mistress a smile, but perhaps more sincerity lies behind his grin than the rest whenever he enjoys the beautiful young Pharaoh’s company…
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Hatshepsut Pin-Up for Valentine's Day
Amunemhet the Witch-Pharaoh
Amunemhet once served as a leading official in the court of Pharaoh Mentuhotep, but once Mentuhotep disappeared "mysteriously", Amunemhet has taken his place. Although Amunemhet was named for the Creator Amun and publicly claims piety to him, his true loyalty belongs to the chaos deity Sutekh. It was through Sutekh's malevolent magic that Amunemhet was able to seize control of the Egyptian throne. In exchange Amunemhet must regularly supply the evil god with the souls of sacrificed victims. Yet even the backing of the Lord of Chaos may not protect him from the victims of his tyranny...
Amunemhet is loosely based on a real historical Pharaoh from Egypt's 12th dynasty, during the Middle Kingdom phase of Egyptian history, but I've obviously taken a lot of creative liberties with that character for his design here. His costume is supposed to give off an evil witch-doctor/African sorcerer vibe. The skullcap he's wearing comes from an African Cape Buffalo, but the long-eared and -nosed creature on his staff is an aardvark (Sutekh's traditional totem animal).
Anyway, he's a primary antagonist in a short story I'm working on for my creative writing class at UCSD. The plot has a modern-day American college student discover Amunemhet's mummy in his late grandfather's basement, and not only does Amunemhet come back to life, but it turns out that the hero's girlfriend looks a lot like one of Amunemhet's assassins back in ancient times...
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I've left Tumblr for reasons I'd rather not delve into, but I'm still drawing...
Another queen from ancient Egypt, but not really meant to represent any particular historical personage this time. However, the crown did draw its influence from Nefertiti's famous bust. The dark marks around her face are supposed to be scars deliberately inflicted for beautification as seen in some Central African societies today. The chains running to the scarab from under her eyes have an East African inspiration, but I forgot the name of the exact ethnic group.
Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
I guest the people of Tumblr dont like the artistic naked Egyptian Queen breasts and their big asses.
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In all honesty, as much as I like drawing booty, I ought to tone down the sexualization in my drawings. It does have obvious unfortunate implications after all.
Posted by Neferefre (Member # 13793) on :
Good work, looking for more work from you brother.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric: Mikha’El, a Hebrew slave in New Kingdom Egypt, attends to the needs of Hatshepsut while she relaxes on her balcony. Like many other slaves, he always shows his mistress a smile, but perhaps more sincerity lies behind his grin than the rest whenever he enjoys the beautiful young Pharaoh’s company…
there were Hebrew slaves during Hatshepsut's reign?
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
^ I'm sure some of the Asiatic slaves in the 18th dynasty could have come from the modern Israeli area.
A Facebook friend of mine (not anyone here on ES) has recently contacted me with the suggestion that we collaborate on an illustrated book aimed at young audiences together. We haven't finalized the plot yet, but we do know that it will star a young man traveling back in time to ancient Egypt. Also, we hope to squeeze in some dinosaurs.
This is concept art for a possible character in the story, a beautiful Egyptian princess (tentatively named Sadek) who becomes the hero's companion and protector. It may not be shown in the portrait, but she has martial arts training which allows her to defend the hero from various perils.
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Colored full-view of Sadek, armed with a throwing knife and sword. She uses throwing knives rather as a ninja would use shuriken stars.
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This scholarly character, who's lugging around a codex with papyrus pages, works as a librarian for some learning institution similar to the Egyptian Per Ankhs or Timbuktu's Sankore University. I don't have any plans for her yet, but I had a blast when designing her look. It's supposed to combine elements of different African societies from all over the continent; for example, her headdress draws from both ancient Egyptian crowns and West African women's head-wraps. People like to stress that Africa is a vast continent rather than one monolithic country, but somehow there's a certain appeal to the idea that all the different African civilizations are distantly related in some way.
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My Facebook friend and I have called it quits on the children's book, mainly because I don't feel comfortable writing for prepubescent children and would prefer more creative. I do have this gender-bent Ramses pin-up though:
Look on her matako, ye mighty, and despair.
Posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova (Member # 15718) on :
In keeping with your theme, you maybe should think of doing something on Africa's well established archery tradition. People like the English Longbowmen get a lot of press, but not so Africa's fine archers. The Nile Valley has a long and excellent bowman tradition- particularly the Nubian region. Something to think about. Background Info:
Sudanic fighting forces versus Persian, Roman and Islamic forces
Genesis of the Sudanic bowmen - Nubian archers- from Asiut, c. 2000 BC. Most bows were one-piece, between 6 and 7 feet in length, with draw strengths often requiring pull back with the feet. Arrows were sometimes poisoned.
Foreign invasions (Assyrians, Greeks, Romans and Arabs) were to bring an end to the great dynastic era of Egypt. However the prowess of the Sudanic infantry (variously known in writings as 'Kushites', 'Ethiopians', 'Nubians', 'Napthans' or 'Meroeites'), still made a distinctive mark in the region, and beyond, especially the archers. Several strong polities arose in the southern Nile Valley after the decline of the pharaonic period, ushering in the eras of Kush, Christian Nubia and other smaller groupings. Besides a process of internal conflict, fighting men from this region were to clash with several major external enemies - the legions of Rome, the armies of Persia, and the forces of expansionist Islam.
Bowmen were the most important force component. Ancient sources indicate that the Sudanic archers favored one-piece bows that were between six and seven feet long, with so powerful a draw strength that many of the archers used their feet to bend their bows. Although composite types saw some use, the Greek historian Herodotus (circa 450-420BC) indicates primary bow construction was of seasoned palm wood, with the arrows made of cane. Other sources describe intense encounters between African archers and a variety of enemies. Such fighting men were not an uncommon sight on battlefields or royal courts throughout the Mediterranean and Middle East.[17] There is some indication that the arrows of Sudanic bowmen (including those fighting Rome) were often poison-tipped, a technique used elsewhere by Africa's archers, well into the 19th century. Among the Meriotic forces facing Rome, elephants were still occasionally used in war. Later Sudanic based forces like the Blemmye also deployed horses and camels for their raids over the Egyptian frontier, and the poisoned arrow tactics of their predecessors found ready employment.[18]
Sudanic forces versus Persian armies
The Persian Cambyses II invasion of Egypt (circa 525 BC) yielded a decisive victory at the battle of Pelusium, routing Egyptian forces, capturing Memphis and taking the Egyptian ruler Psammetichus captive. These rapid Persian successes however stalled when Cambyses moved further south to attack the Kingdom of Kush. Logistical difficulties in crossing desert terrain were compounded by the fierce response of the Kushite armies, particularly accurate volleys of archery that not only decimated Persian ranks, but targeted the eyes of individual Persian warriors. One historical source notes:
"So from the battlements as though on the walls of a citadel, the archers kept up with a continual discharge of well aimed shafts, so dense that the Persians had the sensation of a cloud descending upon them, especially when the Ethiopians made their enemies; eyes the targets.. SO unerring was their aim that those who they pierced with their shafts rushed about wildly in the throngs with the arrows projecting from their eyes like dcouble flutes."[17
One Kushite ruler is recorded as taunting Persian spies with the gift of a bow, inviting the Persian armies to return when they found strength enough to draw the weapon.[19] Stymied by the Kushites, the Persians were forced to withdraw in failure.[20]
Nubian/Kushite forces versus Roman legions
The Roman conquest of Egypt put it on a collision course with the Sudanic powers of the southern regions. Kushite forces undertook a preemptive strike into Egypt, penetrating as far south as the Aswan area, conquering Syene, Elephantine and Philae, and overthrowing recently erected bronze statutes of Augustus erected there. The head of one of these Augustian bronzes was carried off to Meroe as a trophy.[21] Rome dispatched new forces under Publius Petronius to confront the Kushites, and the European and African armies commenced a period of back and forth hostilities. The legions launched numerous attacks into Kushite territory, which were matched by Kushite counterattacks. Rome built forts at Qasr Ibrim and the Kushites retaliated by raiding other Roman garrisons. A massive Roman invasion circa 24BC caused severe losses for the Kushites at Dakka, but the overall campaign was inconclusive. Some Roman sources claim to have penetrated to Napta, the Kushite capital, but a number of modern historians dispute this, since archaeological evidence is thin beyond the point of Sara.[22] WHatever the actual limit of Roman advance however, a legion pullback saw a Kushite resurgence just three years later, with strong reinforcements of African troops from further south. Kushite pressure now once more advanced. The Roman commander Petronius again mobilized reinforcements and the African and European armies maneuvered in battle array for a showdown at Premnis, the largest major Roman garrison in the region.[23]
Historical sources are vague on whether an actual battle took place. The fact that a powerful Roman force paused to parley, suggests a political decision, or military necessity brought on by a stalemate- with final outcomes that saw major concessions being granted to an enemy of Rome.[24] Actual fighting was avoided and/or stopped by negotiations, and the Meroitic diplomats were invited to confer with the Roman emperor himself on the Greek island of Samos where he was headquartered temporarily. Roman interests appeared focused on maintaining a quiet southern border in Egypt, and during negotiations they eventually ceded Qasr Ibrim [and areas north of Qasr Ibrim in the southern portion of the "Thirty-Mile Strip"] to the Kushites ca. 22–21 BC, signing a peace treaty with the latter on Samos. The treaty absolved the Kushites of paying any tribute to Rome, and made the buffer zone off-limits to Roman troops.[25] Roman emperor Augustus marked the agreement by directing his administrators ot collaborate with local priests in the erection of a temple at Dendur.[26]
Nubian/Kushite forces versus Arab forces
The third major opponent to confront the fighting men of Nubia was the Arabs, who had overrun Egypt and large parts of the Mideast. For almost 600 years, the powerful bowmen of the region created a barrier for Muslim expansion into the northeast of the African continent, fighting off multiple invasions and assaults with stinging swarms of arrows. One modern historian (Ayalon 2000) likens Nubian resistance to that of a dam, holding back the Muslim tide for several centuries.[27] According to Ayalon:
The absolutely unambiguous evidence and unanimous agreement of the early Muslim sources is that the Arabs abrupt stop was caused solely and exclusively by the superb military resistance of the Christian Nubians. .. the Nubian Dam. The array of those early sources includes the two most important chronicles of early Islam, al-Tabari (d. 926) and al-Yaqubi (d. 905); the two best extant books on the Muslim conquests, al-Baladhuri (d. 892) and Ibn al-A tham al-Kufi (d. 926); the most central encyclopedic work of al-Masudi (d.956); and the two best early sources dedicated specifically to Egypt, Ibn Abd al-Hakim (d. 871) and al-Kindi (961).. All of the above-cited sources attribute Nubian success to their superb archery.. To this central factor should be added the combination of the Nubians' military prowess and Christian zeal; their acquaintance of the terrain; the narrowness of the front line that theuy had to defend; and, quite possibly, the series of cataracts situated at their back, and other natural obstacles.. The Nubians fought the Muslims very fiercely. WHen they encountered them they showered them with arrows, until all of they were wounded and they withdrew with many wounds and gouged eyes. Therefore they were called "the marksmen of the eye." [27]
Yet another notes:
The awe and respect that the Muslims had for their Nubian adversaries are reflected in the fact that even a rather late Umayyad caliph, Umar b Abd al- Aziz (Umar II 717-720), is said to have ratified the Nubian-Muslim treaty out of fear for the safety of the Muslims (he ratified the peace treaty out of consideration for the Muslims and out of [a desire] to spare their lives..[28]
The Nubians constituted an "African front" that barred Islam's spread, along with others in Central Asia, India and the Anatolian/Mediterranean zone. Whereas the Ialamic military expansion began with swift conquests across Byzantium, Central Asia, the Maghrib and Spain, such quick triumphs foundered at the Sudanic barrier.[29] Internal divisions, along with infiltration by nomads were to weaken the "Nubian dam" however and eventually it gave way to Muslim expansion from Egypt and elsewhere in the region.
^^Now lookit at those tropical proportions... Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
Hatshepsut (or Sobekneferu, or any other female Pharaoh in Egyptian history) shows off her leopard-skin mantle. Leopard skins are usually associated with the Egyptian priesthood, but some Pharaohs such as Seti I have been depicted wearing them on occasion. Besides, leopard print looks good on black women in my opinion.
Line art drawn and inked on paper, colors put down in GIMP.
Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
The Ancient Egyptian Queen drawing with scars face and chain in her face is maybe accurate. Truthcentric you could make a comic ebook for children minus the breasts and the big asses.
Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
Hey Truthcentric can you please do some art on the Mali empire. Please...
That's one of my favorite civilizations.
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
I would like to, actually, but finding reliable references on ancient Malian people's costume and other accessories has proven difficult for me.
Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
^^^^I believe the elites dressed like this...
Since the Mali Empire was a powerful Muslim Empire they most likely dressed similar to the Moors.
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
Perhaps they did, but I tend to imagine them wearing less Islamic, more indigenous West African clothing. You know, dashikis for men and brightly colored head-wraps for women). For example, my mental image of a typical ancient Malian girl approximates this: (She might have covered her breasts though)
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The two most famous Queens of the Egyptian Nile, Hatshepsut (left) and Cleopatra VII (right) display their matakos. Not the first time I've drawn these historical figures' lower anatomical assets, but I was dissatisfied with my earlier efforts and so redrew them. Perfect bubble booties are harder to get right than you would expect.
I'll add highlights later once I figure out how to improve my current technique.
I didn't intend Cleo to look any taller than Hatshepsut, but she is supposed to be standing further from the viewer. Call it a perspective error if you will.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
^^^ look at this the great Queens of Egypt presented as fantasy hoochie mamas, how dignified
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: ^^^ look at this the great Queens of Egypt presented as fantasy hoochie mamas, how dignified
You know, I might actually heed that if I didn't know you were the one and only lyingass.
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Here's a series of Hatsy drawings that don't sexualize her so much. Is anyone here familiar with the Civilization games by Sid Meier?
This series of portraits owes its inspiration to the animated leader heads from the strategy game Civilization III. Each of the game's playable civilizations had one historical leader's portrait representing it, but the really neat thing about them is that they would change costume as your civilization's technology advanced. I wanted to do something similar for the female Egyptian Pharaoh Hatshepsut, portraying her as she might have looked in different time periods.
From top left to bottom right, we have prehistoric, classical, medieval-like, and modern-day versions of Hatshepsut. I will color all these in the near future and may offer it as a download for Civ III players!
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Prehistoric Leader-Head version of Hatshepsut, colored in GIMP
Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
Maybe you can do a art of Queen Nzinga?
Or Queen Kahina
IDK...I just wanna see something other than Egyptian. No offense. Just saying. Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
If you look above I did Nzinga already. However, I promise that after I tackle the Hatsy leaderheads that I will do some other part of Africa.
Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric: If you look above I did Nzinga already. However, I promise that after I tackle the Hatsy leaderheads that I will do some other part of Africa.
Oh I didn't see her.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
you use the same generic face for people of any place in Africa. You have not studied African art styles, how Africans such Egyptians or Yoruba etc. depicted figures and faces in their own art, how they positioned figures, types of colors used and symbols For someone who knows a lot about Egypt you resort to a Westernized commercial comic book approach to the art.
You have not paid dues and learned how the Egyptians and other Africans did things in terms of art.
This series of portraits owes its inspiration to the animated leader heads from the strategy game Civilization III. Each of the game's playable civilizations had one historical leader's portrait representing it, but the really neat thing about them is that they would change costume as your civilization's technology advanced. I wanted to do something similar for the female Egyptian Pharaoh Hatshepsut, portraying her as she might have looked in different time periods.
From top left to bottom right, we have prehistoric, classical, medieval-like, and modern-day versions of Hatshepsut. Now that I've finally colored them, I plan to offer each of these as alternative leader-heads for the Egyptian civilization in Civ III.
Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
^^Amazing.
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*Double post*
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Decided to give my Hatsy and Cleo booty drawing a highlighting treatment in GIMP:
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And now for a couple of completely different things...
Lara Croft I remember wanting to play the very first Tomb Raider game when I was a kid, albeit mainly for the dinosaurs (back then I was too young to have, uh, strong feelings for Lara herself). I actually did get to play the Anniversary edition, but could not get past the T. Rex (pistols are a lousy weapon against a large theropod). Apparently the Tomb Raider franchise is undergoing another reboot now, which inspired me to draw this redesign for everyone's favorite video game heroine. I rather like how her necklace came out here, but I suck at drawing modern firearms due to a lack of practice.
Something more soft-hearted than what I usually do, a mother Tyrannosaurus rex doting upon her little son. Pity that Mother's Day is two months into the future from today, as this would be a totally appropriate gift for my mother.
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Now here's an African character who isn't Egyptian: Nthanda of Azenya Nthanda of Azenya is the leading lady of a new short story that will keep me busy over the course of this Spring Break. Living in the 19th century, she hails from a rural village on the borders of a longstanding African kingdom named Azenya (known to the classical Greco-Romans as Azania). However, when her village gets sacked by invading British imperialists, she must team up with the vagrant Texan sheriff Michael Hancock to save what remains of her country (or something along those lines---honestly, I am still revising the plot).
This started out as another Egyptian princess portrait, but after I came up with my story I changed it to a portrait of my character. Her civilization owes its inspiration to southern African Bantu kingdoms such as Great Zimbabwe, although I didn't have a photo reference handy when I drew this.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
^^^ generic face, every African looks the same
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An Egyptian queen enjoys a cool drink in her luxuriant palace, and she may offer you a sip if you're thirsty. I drew the goblet out of imagination since I didn't have a reference handy, but the Queen's headdress is based on that worn by Ramses II's wife Nefertari. I used black markers of varying widths for inking this line art.
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And now for something completely different again...
Baby Tyrannosaurus rex
T. Rex grown up
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
why don't you have the egyptian hoochie mama holding a 45 riding the dinosaur (symbolic of you) with her round ass showing? That would complete the cycle
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Brachiosaurus drinks from a Jurassic waterhole
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What if the New World found the Old World first?
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Colored version of my Egyptian queen having a drink
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This map I doodled in GIMP displays the Nile Valley kingdom of Kush or Nubia, located in what is now North Sudan in northeastern Africa. Though they clashed frequently with the Egyptians and even conquered them at one point, the Nubians actually shared many elements of their culture and religion with their downriver brethren and ultimately outlasted them. While Egypt languished under Persian, Macedonian, and Roman thumbs, Nubia kept the flames of Pharaonic culture going until around 350 AD, when nomad incursions and environmental degradation sent it into its own decline.
Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric: Colored version of my Egyptian queen having a drink
Nice art.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
^^^^ you think presenting an Egyptian queen as a hoochie moma showing her ass crack is nice art?
Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: ^^^^ you think presenting an Egyptian queen as a hoochie moma showing her ass crack is nice art?
Everyone has different styles of art. That's just Truthcentric style. I personally too don't agree how he portrays Ancient Egyptian women. But art is art and I think he is a good artist.
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
quote:Originally posted by Son of Ra: I personally too don't agree how he portrays Ancient Egyptian women.
I'm curious, is it the sexual aspect that bothers you?
This West African queen enjoys a wonderful view of her city just out of her bedchamber window, doesn't she? I am starting to really enjoy the aesthetics of West African architecture, although drawing in the wooden posts sticking out of the walls can get tedious and repetitive after a while.
Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
^^^Nah it doesn't bother me or anything. I actually like it, but not on Ancient Egyptian queens. But its no big deal. Just continue.
Also beautiful job on the Mali buildings. I love it!
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This one I colored with Copic markers and smoothed out in GIMP:
Guinevere the Nubian Queen of Camelot
Apparently there's a TV series going on which portrays Guinevere, consort of the legendary King Arthur, as a biracial woman. It almost certainly isn't faithful to the original mythology, but it did inspire me to draw a Nubian interpretation of the character. I like to imagine that King Arthur met her while prospecting for quality swords in Meroe and brought her back to Britain as his bride. Ergo, her costume here combines elements of both ancient Nubian and Celtic cultures.
Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
The Mohawk Indian visiting Egypt drawing is cool.
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My muse Pharaoh Hatshepsut shows off her new tied dreadlocks. I got the idea for this after hearing a rumor that apparently Hatshepsut's mummy shows she had really long hair that ran down to her ankles. I thought tying that up into a bun would keep it in compacted form.
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How Humans Settled Eurasia Just how did the first anatomically modern humans (Homo sapiens) migrate out of Africa to populate the rest of the habitable world?
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Homesick Queen I haven't decided on a name for this character yet, but I already do know a little bit about her back-story. She was born into the royal family of Kemet (ancient Egypt), but her half-sister the Pharaoh married her off to the Mansa of Mali as part of a diplomatic maneuver to avert international conflict. Here she's privately pining for her homeland back in the Nile Valley, which she still commemorates through the ankh on her necklace and her kohl eyeliner.
I admit the perspective is off on the stool she's sitting on, but I do like how her pose and cross-cultural costume came out.
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Doubtful Pharaoh This as-yet-unnamed Pharaoh of Kemet (or a fantastical counterpart thereof) is the half-sister to the Malian Queen illustrated above. The two young women grew up under the same father and loved each other like full siblings, but in order to resolve an old dispute with the Empire of Mali, the Pharaoh reluctantly married her half-sister off to the Mansa. She has regretted that decision ever since, but it was only one of many challenges she faces as she struggles to keep her eroding old kingdom together.
Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
That black man and woman should be careful of that white cro magnon iceman with his baseball bat.Doubtful Pharaoh will look good in color.Homesick queen will look good in color, I believe the Mande of Mali use to live in Egypt specialy in the city of Mendes.New world and old world should be colored.
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric: How Humans Settled Eurasia Just how did the first anatomically modern humans (Homo sapiens) migrate out of Africa to populate the rest of the habitable world?
LMAO!!! Awesome drawings man.
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Consider this a WIP that will be colored sometime in the near future:
This is a hypothetical book cover illustration for a historical fantasy story called Half-Sisters which I have started to write. The two heroines centered here, Kiya and Sekhmethotep from left to right, are loving half-sisters who grew up together in the royal family of Kemet. However, once their kingdom fell on hard times, the newly crowned Pharaoh Sekhmethotep found herself reluctantly marrying Kiya out to the Mansa of Mali as part of a difficult diplomatic maneuver. While Kiya struggles to cope with her spoiled tyrant of a new husband, Sekhmethotep must confront a nascent religion that promises prosperity and security...for a price.
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Map for my historical fantasy Half-Sisters: In case you didn't know, Habeshat is Ethiopia and Kemet is Egypt.
Posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova (Member # 15718) on :
quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric: Consider this a WIP that will be colored sometime in the near future:
This is a hypothetical book cover illustration for a historical fantasy story called Half-Sisters which I have started to write. The two heroines centered here, Kiya and Sekhmethotep from left to right, are loving half-sisters who grew up together in the royal family of Kemet. However, once their kingdom fell on hard times, the newly crowned Pharaoh Sekhmethotep found herself reluctantly marrying Kiya out to the Mansa of Mali as part of a difficult diplomatic maneuver. While Kiya struggles to cope with her spoiled tyrant of a new husband, Sekhmethotep must confront a nascent religion that promises prosperity and security...for a price.
I know its fiction, but are you sure your dates sync, even roughly? What supposed time period is your Pharaoh Sekhmethotep? Late New Kingdom? Middle Kingdom? And what date is the mansa of Mali? Generally the mansas as we know them come into view centuries after the Egyptian Dynasties disappeared. I think it might be more historically accurate dating to have a hookup with some of the nearby Ethiopian or Sudanic kingdoms.
Posted by Truthcentric (Member # 3735) on :
^ It's historical fantasy, meaning that although the setting has historical inspirations, the timing and characters are wholly fictitious.
Anyway, colored version of the cover:
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
miseducation of a different sort
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Book Cover for Nile Valley Civilization
I plan to use this as an illustration for a non-fiction project I've started yesterday. It'll be a historical overview of the ancient Nile Valley civilization of Egypt and Nubia, starting from its Mesolithic roots around 7500 BC, going through the Egyptian Old and New Kingdoms, and ending with the Nubian Meroitic period at 350 AD. I will be writing for an interested lay audience in mind, so my project should be accessible to anyone when I finish.
Honestly, writing non-fiction is easier for me than fiction. You don't have to worry about characterization or plot structure as much, for all you really need to do is relay information.
Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
Goodluck on your new illustrated history book Truthcentric.
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Egyptian Dancer's Portrait Portrait of an ancient Egyptian dancing girl who would perform naked at banquets. Fortunately the Egyptians, like other Africans, did not mind nudity that much, which makes sense considering the hot climate they lived in. The rows of dot-shaped beautification scars around her eyes actually owe their inspiration to the Datoga people of Tanzania, but we actually have found female Egyptian mummies with similar tattoos or scars in their skin.
Black Athena Some scholars of ancient history, most notably Martin Bernal, have put forward the hypothesis that the prominent Greek goddess Athena evolved from the Egyptian Neith. Not only did both goddesses patronize warfare, weaving, wisdom, and justice in their respective cultures, but some Greek traditions actually do place Athena's place of birth somewhere in Africa (or "Libya" as the Greeks called it), so I can see why they would make the connection. Anyway, I thought a Black African Athena would make a cool subject for a quick portrait.
Her hair isn't supposed to be naturally red here, for ancient Egyptians and Nubians would sometimes stain their hair red with henna or ocher.
Do the Harlem Shake! Posted by Son of Ra (Member # 20401) on :
LOL! Awesome drawings as always Truthcentric.
Posted by mena7 (Member # 20555) on :
Nice black Athena drawing.Truthcentric its look like you saw some black Egyptian statues in private collection because some of your drawing are very accurate.
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^ Thanks as always. Now time to portray a male subject for once...
Portrait of Ramses II, perhaps the most famous Egyptian Pharaoh after King Tut. They may call him Ramses the Great, but personally I think of him more as Ramses the Vain, what with all the self-glorifying monuments he built and his lying about winning the Battle of Kadesh. I drew this from memory, but his crown is based on his colossal statue at Abu Simbel.
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An Egyptian Pharaoh sits on her throne while one of her armed bodyguards watches from the background. This was probably the most laborious piece of artwork that I've had to draw and color in for weeks, but I'm glad I managed to get it down at last.
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How would an ancient Egyptian princess prepare for the time when she would become Pharaoh?
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T. Rex hanging out in a jungle
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This is my depiction of the mythical Greek demigod Heracles, perhaps better known by his Roman name Hercules. I actually based his looks off the martial artist and UFC champion Alistar Overeem, whom one of my online friends seems to really like.
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The UFC fighter who play Mr T in the movie A Team look like the Greek Heracles.They should make a black Heracles movie.Nice drawing of Heracles, Ramses II and Princess fighting a Leopard.
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quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric: Decided to give my Hatsy and Cleo booty drawing a highlighting treatment in GIMP:
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I drew this today. It is an Ancient Egyptian girl and her cat.
The Face That Launched a Thousand Ships My vision of Helen, the leading lady in the ancient Trojan War myth. What if she was the daughter of the Nubian King Memnon?
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Sketchy portraits of Paris and Helen of Troy
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Nice profile drawing.Paris hair should be curly.
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^ I know he's often depicted with curly hair in sculpture, but does any Greek textual source describe him as having that kind of hair texture?
Helen the Nubian Princess My depiction of Helen, the legendary beauty whose face launched a thousand ships and started the Trojan War, has now been colored in Photoshop. Earlier I planned on writing a whole novelized adaptation of the myth, tweaking Helen's heritage so that she became the daughter of the Nubian king Memnon, but now I feel discouraged about bastardizing Greek mythology to such an extent. Maybe I'll recycle what I had outlined for a fully original story with original characters.
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the Clyde Winters of cartoons
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Hatshepsut and Cleopatra VII Redux Not the first time I've drawn these two most famous Egyptian Queens together, and it may not be the last, but I wanted to retry the subject out of dissatisfaction with my earlier depictions of the pairing.
As you should know by now, Hatshepsut is the dark-skinned Pharaoh on the left while Cleopatra VII is the lighter-skinned Queen on the right. Cleopatra is supposed to resemble the actress Zoe Saldana whereas Hatshepsut's look was based off the model Oluchi Onweagba.
Not the first time I've drawn these two most famous Egyptian Queens together, and it may not be the last, but I wanted to retry the subject out of dissatisfaction with my earlier depictions of the pairing.
As you should know by now, Hatshepsut is the dark-skinned Pharaoh on the left while Cleopatra VII is the lighter-skinned Queen on the right. Cleopatra is supposed to resemble the actress Zoe Saldana whereas Hatshepsut's look was based off the model Oluchi Onweagba.
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Nubian Lady of Kerma Portrait of a woman from Kerma, the Nubian kingdom of Kush's first capital (the other two were Napata and Meroe). Her earring and necklaces are based on actual jewelry recovered at Kerma whereas her face is based on the Sudanese model Ataui Deng.
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Using the face of real models and actresses to make the face of drawing characters is a good idea. Dressing naked women is good also.
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Bangola the Jungle Queen After reading some pulp adventure stories from the 19th through 20th centuries, I've gotten back into my African jungle girl mood. This new character actually has her own story in the works right now, but I don't want to give too much of it away until I finish more of it.
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Full-body sketch of my original heroine Bangola the Jungle Queen. She is the fierce and agile matriarch and guardian of the Mabunti nation in a fantastical world's equivalent of Africa. In the story I'm writing for her, Bangola must defend her people from rampaging dinosaurs, a mind-controlling sorcerer, and a ravenous multinational corporation.
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Mother of a Pharaoh I wanted to practice drawing a character older than my usual subjects, so here's an elderly African woman who could come from either the ancient Egyptian or Nubian civilizations. I imagine her as some Pharaoh's wise old mother.
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Hatshepsut and Cleopatra VII (edited 6/29/13)
In response to a commenter's critique, I decided to tweak the positioning of the highlights and shading in order to establish a consistent light source (it's supposed to be between Hatshepsut and Cleopatra here).
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Ancient Egyptian Soldiers These are a couple of common soldiers, a spearman and an archer, from ancient Egypt. Due to their country's hot and sunny climate, most Egyptian soldiers never wore much in the way of body armor, instead relying on ox-hide shields for protection. Nonetheless at the peak of their power the Egyptians conquered an empire straddling the northern Sudan all the way to the Euphrates River in Syria.
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Roman Legionaries Here's a couple of common legionaries, one with a gladius and another with a javelin, from the ancient Roman Empire. The Roman legionaries' armor actually underwent many revisions in design over the centuries, but I've chosen the most familiar costume, the lorica segmentata, to represent them. These characters' olive skin tones were actually sampled from authentic paintings of Roman people recovered from Fayyum in northern Egypt.
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Sobek Unmasked This is my artistic interpretation of Sobek, the crocodile god in Egyptian mythology. Sobek is probably my favorite male deity in the whole Egyptian tradition, undoubtedly because it's hard to go wrong with big carnivorous reptiles. However, for my interpretation I drew Sobek not as a crocodile himself, as most artists do, but as a man with a crocodile mask. I like the idea that the Egyptian gods' "animal heads" were really masks homologous to those worn by traditional African religious leaders. The red disks in this character's ear lobes are meant to represent the sun, but they were inspired by the ear discs worn by certain Ethiopian tribal groups.
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Sobek look like a bald head priest with Massai earlobes. Some Gods being man or women with animal mask is a plausible theory.
The brown skin of the Roman soldier is accurate. The Fayoum portraits show the Roman as brown/mulato and black.
Nice drawing of Nubian soldiers. The Nubian also had sword. You can see it in the wall relief were the queen execute the enemy of Nubia.
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^ My soldiers were Egyptian actually, not Nubians. The guy on the left might come from a nome very near the Nubian border though.
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UPDATE 12/12/13:
The Tumblr blog in this thread's OP has been taken down a long time ago. I've also left the site altogether for reasons I'd rather not get into. However, I do want to bump this thread to keep you updated on my most recent art. More new stuff can be seen here.
Hatshepsut on the Warpath Although the female Pharaoh Hatshepsut is best known for her peacetime accomplishments, like most New Kingdom Pharaohs she was not a pacifist. Early in her career she did lead a number of successful military campaigns in Nubia and the Middle East, and she would have rode and loosed her arrows from a chariot like this. The Egyptians did not invent chariots, but once they acquired them from Middle Eastern invaders in the Second Intermediate Period, they improved on the design to better fit their desert habitat. For one, the Egyptian chariot was smaller than lighter than others, for example the bulky chariots used by the Hittites in Anatolia.
It should be needless to say that the zebras are my creative license. I chose them over horses in part to enhance the African flavor and in part because I thought the idea of a zebra chariot sounded novel.
Unfortunately I think I messed up Hatshepsut's nose, and the wheels should show more motion.
Memnon the Ally of Troy
In Greek mythology, Memnon was a king of “Aethiopia” (ancient Kush or Nubia in what is now Sudan) who allied with the Trojans in their Homeric conflict against the Greeks. Although a skilled warrior whom the Trojans hoped would be their savior, Memnon was characterized by a nobility which won him the favor of the Greek gods. In one episode an elderly Greek king named Nestor challenged Memnon to a fight to avenge his son, but Memnon turned him down out of respect for his age. Ironically this strength of character would lead to Memnon’s undoing, for the demigod Achilles ultimately slew him on Nestor’s behalf.
I based Memnon’s look here on a real king of Nubia named Nedjeh, who ruled between 1650 and 1550 BC. Artistic sources depict him as an archer with a bowling pin-shaped hedjet crown related to those worn by early Egyptian Pharaohs.
Achilles vs Memnon The Greek demigod Achilles charges and prepares to clash with King Memnon of Kush (or "Aethiopia" as the Greeks called it). Most artwork that I've seen featuring Achilles in a one-on-one duel pit him against the Trojan Hector, so I felt his earlier confrontation with Memnon deserved some artistic attention for once. A common theme uniting the two fights is that Achilles slew both of his opponents out of vindictive rage for his fallen comrades (Antilochus in the case of Memnon and Patroclus in the case of Hector). Apparently revenge was a big thing for the warrior cultures of the ancient Near East.
I was actually stumped with a choice of weapon for Achilles given his pose. I was originally going to choose a sword, but his helmet would have obscured most of the blade, so ultimately I went for a spear. Unfortunately it looks shorter than it should since most of the shaft is hidden by his head and shield.
Pharaoh's Bodyguard
Although I drew this character with the intention that she would serve as a Pharaoh's royal bodyguard, the idea behind her actually comes from the Dahomey "Amazons" in West Africa who also served as bodyguards for their king. As of now no evidence uncovered has shown that a similar contingent of female warriors protected the Pharaohs of ancient Egypt, but absence of evidence may not be evidence of absence. Even if it were, mixing together ancient Egyptian and so-called "sub-Saharan" African influences is one of my favorite artistic tricks.
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And for my straight male viewers in particular, some new pin-ups of Cleopatra VII and Hatshepsut:
Cleopatra the Charming Cleopatra VII may not be my favorite monarch in Egyptian history, but somehow she's become one of my favorite historical characters to draw after Hatshepsut. It helps that since she went down in history as a powerful seductress, it seems more appropriate to sexualize her than other prominent historical women. Ancient Roman accounts conflict on just how beautiful she was, but as an artist I like to go with the upper-range estimates.
(In case you're curious, that's supposed to be an Egyptian cobra slithering around her arm.)
Hatshepsut the Divine After doing Cleopatra VII's booty pin-up, I thought it only fair to give the same treatment to the other famous female ruler from ancient Egypt, Pharaoh Hatshepsut of the 18th dynasty. Unlike Cleo, who was at least of partial Greco-Macedonian heritage, Hatshepsut was almost certainly a pure-bred native Egyptian and ruled her country with much greater success (for one, Egypt didn't get conquered when she passed the throne over).
Although Hatshepsut has never enjoyed Cleopatra's post-mortem reputation as a sexy seductress, hieroglyphic inscriptions from her time do describe her as very beautiful in her youth. Some might protest that this pin-up over-sexualizes the Pharaoh, but I on the other hand there is nothing wrong with appreciating the undressed female form every now and then.
Unfortunately Hatshepsut did not age very well for her mummy indicates she put on a lot of pounds and died an obese woman.
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Caesar and Cleopatra Commission Not my own art, but something I commissioned from a DeviantArt friend named Shakira Rivers.
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Something I drew on my birthday evening after some delicious pizza...probably inspired by listening to Sage the Gemini's song "Gas Pedal" way too much.
Really, the main thing I can say that's novel about this piece is that it was practice for drawing a behind view for a walking female character without said character turning her head around. Of course there's also the observation that observing a nubile young woman swaying her hips from behind is a wondrous sight, but that would be stating the obvious.
At least her back view's main attraction is clothed this time, so it should still count as safe for work.
And for those of you interested in other regions of Africa:
My original heroine Tshomba, a Central African Bakongo lady mage, uses her healing magic to soothe an ornery Triceratops.
Close-up portrait of the same character.
Somewhat generic, rebellious-looking African princess.
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Pharaoh Dislikes Chocolate As much as the Queen of Egypt didn't want to offend her Olmec hosts, she just couldn't get into their most prized beverage. You couldn't really blame her. The original Mesoamerican form of chocolate did have a bitter taste before the Europeans came along to sweeten it.
I'm actually skeptical of the belief that Egyptians or any other Africans made it to the Americas during Olmec times, but I have to concede that I actually do like the concept of pre-modern globalization.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
^^^ unecessary black lines
^^^ the point of using soft type shading is that you don't have to rely in lines as much The woman's nose and mouth form for instance, we can see clearly see the form there is no hard thin black line necessary.
Your use of thin black lines is to cover up the the lack of precision in your shading. If the shading was well executed you wouldn't need to come in with those black lines
Comic book artists when using lines, don't use mono weight thin lines they use varied weight thicker brush strokes and the shading is more graphic and simplified not this soft fade style. The soft fade style howver needs less lines and looks worse if you add to many
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From Pharaoh to Slave Once she ruled the ancient world's greatest and most ancient superpower. Since then she has fallen into the cruelest and most destitute servitude. Formerly renowned for her glamorous beauty, she now suffers the stigma forced upon this same appearance. But someday, she vows, she will ascend back to her former glory.
The text on the right comes from an actual slave advertisement from 19th-century Georgia.
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And now for a different ancient civilization...
Come Back With Your Shield Queen Gorgo of Sparta bids her husband Leonidas farewell by telling him, "Come back with your shield or on it".
Of course there's no evidence that Queen Gorgo was Black African or otherwise different in appearance from the Mediterranean Greek norm, but I do believe there was a black minority in ancient Greece and wanted to portray that. Besides, it can't be any more egregious an historical error than making half the Persian characters black people in certain Hollywood films.
They Shall Dine With Hades Spartan hoplites form a single-file line on the Laconic plain in southern Greece, ready to do battle at Thermopylae. I wanted to make the phalanx even bigger by adding more Spartans behind the front line, but wasn't sure how to pull that off. Nonetheless I am proud that I managed to draw a scene with multiple soldiers in it for once.
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Queen Gorgo of Sparta My interpretation of Queen Gorgo of Sparta, the clever and influential wife of the famous King Leonidas who fought at Thermopylae. This is actually the second time I drew this historical queen, but I was so fond of my first design for her that I wanted to draw her again. The scene of course draws from the movie 300, but I wanted her costume and general appearance to differ a lot from the Hollywood version.
Socrates and Plato The famous Athenian philosopher Socrates has a thoughtful conversation with his student Plato. In this picture Socrates is the black dude in purple whereas Plato is the Mediterranean-looking guy in yellow. Of course their poses were drawn from Raphael's famous painting of these two characters.
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Face of Socrates Quick facial portrait of Socrates, one of the most famous philosophers that Classical Athens produced. Unfortunately he remains an enigmatic figure in Greek history since all our knowledge of his beliefs and teachings come from his students' writings rather than his own. Nonetheless his pioneering methods of inquiry have influenced not only modern Western philosophy but also the scientific method.
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Look at this Euronut he makes Plato a white boy and tries to sneak it in as "Mediterranean"
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I take it you were in an 'amorous' mood when you made these drawings.
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