What is the difference between Deshret forum and Egyptology forum? why does something get moved to Deshret and why does something get moved to Egyptology?
Posted by Elite Diasporan (Member # 22000) on :
Egyptology
quote:Mainstream Egyptology. Egypt in its African context, population genetics and other areas of Africana studies.
Deshret
quote:History, Race, Sociocultural discussion, alternative theories
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
im confused 1. mainstream Egyptology don't consider Egypt African oriented so why would it be apart of Africana studies. and 2. isn't population genetics about race?
Posted by Elite Diasporan (Member # 22000) on :
1. Some Egyptologist have viewed Egypt in its African context. I have a book by one of them.
2. Population genetics is NOT about race. Many in the field stray away from it.
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
1. are they mainstream Egyptologist?
2. Then why would someone be interested in genetics if they are not interested about race
Because geneticists who deal with Egypt are always trying to find out the race of the Egyptians or which people they are closely related to
capra has just recently posted about north Africans having European and Levant DNA
this is obviously racial
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
capra has just recently posted about north Africans having European and Levant DNA
this is obviously racial
Many people in the forum don't believe race exists, so in looking at that thread title an initial post one could view it as about geographic affiliation rather than race. It doesn't mention "race" nor "black" or "white" etc The average African American has around 20% European ancestry. So stating that doesn't change their "race"
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
capra has just recently posted about north Africans having European and Levant DNA
this is obviously racial
Many people in the forum don't believe race exists, so in looking at that thread title an initial post one could view it as about geographic affiliation rather than race. It doesn't mention "race" nor "black" or "white" etc The average African American has around 20% European ancestry. So stating that doesn't change their "race"
you said "Looking at the photo here the people look more Asian than African , DNA solves the problem" - the lioness
Not only did you use geography to determine race but you also used DNA
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
Basically
Egyptiology forum is Academic racism
Deshret forum is Social racism
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
capra has just recently posted about north Africans having European and Levant DNA
this is obviously racial
Many people in the forum don't believe race exists, so in looking at that thread title an initial post one could view it as about geographic affiliation rather than race. It doesn't mention "race" nor "black" or "white" etc The average African American has around 20% European ancestry. So stating that doesn't change their "race"
you said "Looking at the photo here the people look more Asian than African , DNA solves the problem" - the lioness
Not only did you use geography to determine race but you also used DNA
That is your interpretation that talking about Asian or African phenotypes = race
Many other people in the forum don't see it that way
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
capra has just recently posted about north Africans having European and Levant DNA
this is obviously racial
Many people in the forum don't believe race exists, so in looking at that thread title an initial post one could view it as about geographic affiliation rather than race. It doesn't mention "race" nor "black" or "white" etc The average African American has around 20% European ancestry. So stating that doesn't change their "race"
you said "Looking at the photo here the people look more Asian than African , DNA solves the problem" - the lioness
Not only did you use geography to determine race but you also used DNA
That is your interpretation that talking about Asian or African phenotypes = race
Many other people in the forum don't see it that way
obviously you also see it that way too or else you would not have used geographical locations and DNA as proof of the fuegian's race
phenotype and race are synonyms
Definition of race :a group of people of common ancestry, distinguished from others by physical characteristics, such as hair type, colour of eyes and skin, stature, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
Definition of phenotype: The expression of a particular trait, for example, skin color, height, etc., according to the individual's genetic makeup and environment.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
phenotype and race are synonyms
No they aren't. There are various phenotypes within the human race
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
phenotype and race are synonyms
No they aren't. There are various phenotypes within the human race
yes they are
phenotype is used to define race
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
phenotype and race are synonyms
No they aren't. There are various phenotypes within the human race
yes they are
phenotype is used to define race
You need to study non-sequiters and logical fallacies
Because people use phenotype to define race it doesn't mean phenotype and race are synonyms and people who use phenotype to define race often use other factors as well
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
phenotype and race are synonyms
No they aren't. There are various phenotypes within the human race
yes they are
phenotype is used to define race
Because people use phenotype to define race iy doesn't mean phenotype and race are synonyms and people who use phenotype to define race often use other factors as well
other factors like what?
please explain why did you use geographical locations and DNA in a racial discussion thread?
Explain to me how someone can look African or Asian?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
please explain why did you use geographical locations and DNA in a racial discussion thread?
because different peoples live in different locations and sometimes I have to talk in terms the layperson understands
The Egyptology forum is reserved for people who don't believe in race. The racial stuff is sent to my forum where I de-racialize it
It's like those people they send in to clean up the crime scene
Posted by the questioner (Member # 22195) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
please explain why did you use geographical locations and DNA in a racial discussion thread?
because different peoples live in different locations and sometimes I have to talk in terms the layperson understands
The Egyptology forum is reserved for people who don't believe in race. The racial stuff is sent to my forum where I de-racialize it
It's like those people they send in to clean up the crime scene
So Deshret is basically the "trash can" forum
"because different peoples live in different locations and sometimes I have to talk in terms the layperson understands" - the lioness
Different peoples? what makes them different since you don't believe in race
These days, race has become a "bad word" that people would like to shy away from for so called moral reasons.
Race is a physical description of groups of people. so yes, you do believe in race
rather you admit it or not
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by the questioner:
please explain why did you use geographical locations and DNA in a racial discussion thread?
because different peoples live in different locations and sometimes I have to talk in terms the layperson understands
The Egyptology forum is reserved for people who don't believe in race. The racial stuff is sent to my forum where I de-racialize it
It's like those people they send in to clean up the crime scene
So Deshret is basically the "trash can" forum
"because different peoples live in different locations and sometimes I have to talk in terms the layperson understands" - the lioness
Different peoples? what makes them different since you don't believe in race
These days, race has become a "bad word" that people would like to shy away from for so called moral reasons.
Race is a physical description of groups of people. so yes, you do believe in race
rather you admit it or not
Phenotypic differences are not big enough to delineate race. If I were to ask you how many races there are it is an instant unsolvable problem as we then go ethnic group by ethnic group, a vast number of them and try to fit them into a given racial category
Abstract Races may exist in humans in a cultural sense, but biological concepts of race are needed to access their reality in a non-species-specific manner and to see if cultural categories correspond to biological categories within humans. Modern biological concepts of race can be implemented objectively with molecular genetic data through hypothesis-testing. Genetic data sets are used to see if biological races exist in humans and in our closest evolutionary relative, the chimpanzee. Using the two most commonly used biological concepts of race, chimpanzees are indeed subdivided into races but humans are not. Adaptive traits, such as skin color, have frequently been used to define races in humans, but such adaptive traits reflect the underlying environmental factor to which they are adaptive and not overall genetic differentiation, and different adaptive traits define discordant groups. There are no objective criteria for choosing one adaptive trait over another to define race. As a consequence, adaptive traits do not define races in humans. Much of the recent scientific literature on human evolution portrays human populations as separate branches on an evolutionary tree. A tree-like structure among humans has been falsified whenever tested, so this practice is scientifically indefensible. It is also socially irresponsible as these pictorial representations of human evolution have more impact on the general public than nuanced phrases in the text of a scientific paper. Humans have much genetic diversity, but the vast majority of this diversity reflects individual uniqueness and not race.
Posted by Fourty2Tribes (Member # 21799) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
The Egyptology forum is reserved for people who don't believe in race. The racial stuff is sent to my forum where I de-racialize it
They do believe in race they just understand that its an arbitrary creation. It's simple. Race is 100% opinion. Opinions are real. Therefore race is real.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fourty2Tribes: Opinions are real.
You might as well say everything is real. people have delusions and fantasies about blue dragons
They're fantasies and delusions, people have them. So they're real
Posted by Elite Diasporan (Member # 22000) on :
I made my decision to move that thread to the Deshret and its final.